West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Vigilante on March 29, 2002, 04:59:20 AM
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As an indian, i can honestly say its really cool how there arent any brown rappers, but timbaland, meth and red - lets do it (song wit indian influence), dj quik are all RIPPING off this hindu and indian music, its cool in a way, but when this becomes a style, i will get pissed cause its really hurtful for me to see ppl unappreciate out music "hindu music - although im christian" and even my local radio (urban) is playin it so often, ppl r like ye thats hot....but ppl dont really understand wat i see ot thorugh, some ppl who might are blade and ds cause there both indian....comments...
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i said comments, no one is replying!! >:(
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dog, i dont think anyone wants to touch this with a 10 ft pole lol, its kind of a touchy subject i guess.
personally im all for it. music is universal, i like to see different genres interchanging and learning from each other. i dont think it should be secular and limited in its use or its audience.
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dog, i dont think anyone wants to touch this with a 10 ft pole lol, its kind of a touchy subject i guess.
personally im all for it. music is universal, i like to see different genres interchanging and learning from each other. i dont think it should be secular and limited in its use or its audience.
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I see both sides of it. It kinda spices up more mainstream to use indian elements, but at the same time it's doing a huge injustice to eastern music. Yall don't even use basic time structures, indian music is 10 times more complex than american or western music. Yall got crazy stuff my american ear can't even keep time with, and a larger variety of musical instruments and styles, so I can see where it's helping western music be more diverse, but at the same time it's kinda disrespectul to water down eastern music like that.
Peace~
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thanx fo the opinions....need some more :o
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yes as an indian , a true indian , i havent migrated or anything , and am also a hinud yes...the majority of the indian community will find this usage of indian music (especially hindu devotees) .. very disrespectful , and like trauma said ... da music in itself is very complex, a wide range of intruments and stuff... but i ave grown to realise dat music is truly universal .. and that even if they use indian music to a limit itz fine wid me .. butwat pisses me off are some bands and shit sayin "hare krishna" .. when they dont know jack wat they talkin abt.. using indian beats for western music.. is a very good concept as long as they play around in the limits..
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I think its cool how they trying to mix indian music in, like there is this arabic song, with a western beat, the chorus is arabic, but the other lyrics r english, i think its pretty dope, cuz middle eastern/indian music can be pretty dope @ times, but sum ppl find it disrespectful.... :-/
-{bLaDe}
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yes as an indian , a true indian , i havent migrated or anything , and am also a hinud yes...the majority of the indian community will find this usage of indian music (especially hindu devotees) .. very disrespectful , and like trauma said ... da music in itself is very complex, a wide range of intruments and stuff... but i ave grown to realise dat music is truly universal .. and that even if they use indian music to a limit itz fine wid me .. butwat pisses me off are some bands and shit sayin "hare krishna" .. when they dont know jack wat they talkin abt.. using indian beats for western music.. is a very good concept as long as they play around in the limits..
i know wat hare krishna means and all that shit....its disresepctful to me even though im christian cause my fellow brothers are hindu....
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music is an art, it has no limits.
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im indian too.......i started listening to hiphop to get away from indian music which is all you hear here.
i ike indian music but.......hiphop is a good change, much better.
im hindu and i dont feel hurt at all by all this. so none of yall should think its offensive or desrespectful to indians or indian music . if people are offended by the music i wonder how they arent offended by the lyrics
if u like it its cool. personally i dont.
but indian music influences so many genres of music.
its about time it got some recognition
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i could see how indians could get pissed off, i have ALOT of indian friends, and they love Addictive, but that song for example, is a TOTAL rip off of a song called Sona Sona, an old indian tune, so they might get pissed that, all these bandwagoners are riding the music they were down wit from the beginning
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I think its cool how they trying to mix indian music in, like there is this arabic song, with a western beat, the chorus is arabic, but the other lyrics r english, i think its pretty dope, cuz middle eastern/indian music can be pretty dope @ times, but sum ppl find it disrespectful.... :-/
-{bLaDe}
Yeah..Some people find it disrespectful Me my self I think it makes a song better..And its real tite peace..
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iz like, sum indians dont like it, cuz they like their own music, they grew up wid it and they like it how it was.....but western ppl, like hip hop heads for eg, like all dat dre type music, so when the original hindi song was modified, ppl liked it here....
-{bLaDe}
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Aint no limit to hip hop. For anyone who feels disresected by the songs fuck em'. If you dont like it too damn bad, get over it kuz aint shit you can do about it. Hip hop is universal and will continue to progress, change, and recreate. The people who feel like there music is being ripped off should be greateful that people from a different origin are taking out the time to analyze there music and see what passion, effort, and creativity was put in that song. Every artist knows what there songs mean to them so if a nigga can take an Indian song and make it hip hop is a genius. Think about it. If hip hop was only for those who created it and never progressed and elevated I know for damn sure ya'll hindu's or Indians wouldnt be on this web site spittin flows or anything of that such.
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thanx yall including youngfame's even though it was quite rude.... :o but were now gonna have a vote either
1) its ok!!!
2) disrispectful
vote!
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how about ..
if 'hindu' music is for indians ..
and rap is for african-americans
why do non-african-americans listen to rap music?
music is universal, this is just a way of people showing that they're expanding their horizons
my vote: its ok
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I would think that it would be pretty cool to here my cultural music mixed in with hip-hop elements. Some people may not even care where it came from and some may look into the samples and origin of the sound. Either way when I hear it play on the radio or on TV I would be "WOW That's my culture and people enjoy it."
But of course that's just me, I can see how Indians could find it offensive. Butlike everyone has been saying, music is universal.
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definitely ok
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man indian music is the SHIZNIZIT! lol i mean there's so many intricate details of certain songs that just hypnotise you....complexity at it's finest.
western music dumbs it down by 10000 times, but you gotta take it all into compromise. western music is more to a rythem like a premo drum line for example and indian music is more off the wall and unpredictable like a timbo drum line. so in order to have that indian sound BUT make it listenable to western ears you have to make the music go at more of reserved beat count like, 1,2 1,2 1,2,3, 1,2,3 , 1234 ('tallica drums sample ;D) and just mix in sentar and some other indian instruments. whereas the rythem to a REAL indian song is all over the place like 19028301283091823098.lol that's exagerated but i hope you get the point....and who says i don't know shit about production cough cough minority,7th,ibo,tech cough cough
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I dont know... I dont see nothin really wrong with it.. I mean, Like Sikotic said.. I would think it's pretty cool to hear some producer mix in my culture in his beats.. but then again I can see why some people would get offended...
For Example.. I'm mexican.. and for some reason.. I cant even explain it.. it kind of bothered me when I heard that song from Mr Short Khops cd "Es Mi Casa" where Kokane is singing in spanish.. I got over it though... I know they aint doing it to disrespect.. but for some reason it just made me like the song less.
I think I'm a lil more annoyed by people biting my name than my culture though....
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I dont know... I dont see nothin really wrong with it.. I mean, Like Sikotic said.. I would think it's pretty cool to hear some producer mix in my culture in his beats.. but then again I can see why some people would get offended...
For Example.. I'm mexican.. and for some reason.. I cant even explain it.. it kind of bothered me when I heard that song from Mr Short Khops cd "Es Mi Casa" where Kokane is singing in spanish.. I got over it though... I know they aint doing it to disrespect.. but for some reason it just made me like the song less.
I think I'm a lil more annoyed by people biting my name than my culture though....
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yeeeeah i feel you there, like when Deliquent Habbits came out with Tres Delequentes, i was ALLLLLL FOR THAT song. but every time i hear some black dude use spanish rythems i get kinda pissed (i get over it but it kinda offends me and makes me feel used for some reason) like that one song by Wyclef Guantanamera (i think that's how it's spelled) i felt that way and even when i hear stuff like fatty girl and fiesta by r kelly i feel that way too
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^^^ Trip out... I was gonna use that whole Tres Delinquentes thing on my post but I didnt wanna make it any longer..
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Im Indian, Sikh to be exact....
And although i rarley listen to Indian music (and HATE Bollywood films ???)
Im all for mixing hip hop or other music forms with a twist of Indian music. My friend is a (Indian) DJ and i help him out regualary when he does a gig, and he plays some amazing Bhangra tracks. I.e Gin n Juice with Indian Music mixed in etc .
Stuff sounds hot, and as long as these producers can get there heads through our music and instruments i say go for it.
Laterz
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thanx to every1...... ;D