West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Conan on December 02, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
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I'm writing something on this right now, and I'm interested in everyone's opinions.
Basically, I hold two conflicting opinions right now: on one hand, I think that the whole thing may have been an attempt to generate publicity for Snoop and Game's then imminent "How the West was One" tour, or to dead beefs that posed a threat to Snoop personally eg: his feud with Suge.
On the other, I believe that, while Snoop may have really wanted to see the Western Conference lead to the resurrection of the West Coast commercially, like so many of his best-laid plans (his dreams for Doggystyle Records circa 2000/01 spring to mind) it just didn't happen - possibly due to their not being enough commitment and dedication around such plans.
Aside from what it's real purpose may have been, I also aim to discuss how successful it was - and at this point I would have to say not very. We've yet to see Snoop collabo with any up-and-coming West Coast talents (and may never; bear in mind his verse on Daz's ''All I Need'', where he raps "Ay Doggy Dogg, I need a verse - ni*ga, what y'all pay?") and the unity that he apparently strived for hasn't happened - there are still numerous beefs on the West Coast.
The unity is also lacking: West Coast artists who are buzzing right now aren't buzzing because of any aid from Snoop Dogg. Instead, they're buzzing because of a lot of personal hard-work and their own quality material. And let's not forget Game's swipe at Glasses on"120 Bars". I'm sorry, but Game is incredibly successful in his own right and he had no need to even bring up G. Malone on that cut if he wasn't going to congratulate him. Instead, it seemed to me like he felt a little threatened by Glasses very impressive deal. Doesn't look like there's much unity there.
So what's everyone else's take? Any opinions, responses, and comments would be appreciated.
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on one hand, I think that the whole thing may have been an attempt to generate publicity for Snoop and Game's then imminent "How the West was One" tour
That's where it ends.....
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I think it was bullshit Snoop doesn't fuck wit the West Coast.
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It's just disappointing to see what was essentially a great idea lead to nothing. Yet you still get some rappers saying how successful the whole movement was, although oddly enough those that say such things are usually rappers closely associated with Snoop, eg: Daz.
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i agree with everything thats been said in this thread so far
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same shit as the thing with the co founder of the crips i think, its not like he really cares, hes not a crip, hes a rapper, hes weak and would never be into gang shit. he probably felt like he had to do that so that ppl think hes a gangsta or whatever or once again for publicity... artists always want publicity, by any way possible
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i agree with everything
the thread starter said
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My own opinion is dis---
The west coast conference is not about Snoop helping everybody on d west,its about niggaz putting their beefs aside and doing good music, look for opportunities in industry,way to get those opportunity and someone like glass is doing that,40 glocc is with g-unit,spider id there too,so some are doing bussinees already,Snoop said it--him and Dre cant help everybody on d west.
And on the tookie situation i bet its tookie's people and atorney that will come up with d plot of snoop doing rally for him coz he's a celebrity and will get peoples attention(i dont see snoop trying hard to get recognition as a gang member now,he's way past that)
I think west coast artist need to get their hustle on and stop concentrating on beefs.
And if you care to ask me,i will tell you snoop has given a lot of west coast artist opportunities to shine,50% of d artist i know from west is tru snoop.so its up to them to hustle their way up from there.
And remember snoop is just a rapper,not a producer and bussiness man like dre & co.
thats my view man
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^^^ you got some interesting points :)
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My own opinion is dis---
The west coast conference is not about Snoop helping everybody on d west,its about niggaz putting their beefs aside and doing good music, look for opportunities in industry,way to get those opportunity and someone like glass is doing that,40 glocc is with g-unit,spider id there too,so some are doing bussinees already,Snoop said it--him and Dre cant help everybody on d west.
And on the tookie situation i bet its tookie's people and atorney that will come up with d plot of snoop doing rally for him coz he's a celebrity and will get peoples attention(i dont see snoop trying hard to get recognition as a gang member now,he's way past that)
I think west coast artist need to get their hustle on and stop concentrating on beefs.
And if you care to ask me,i will tell you snoop has given a lot of west coast artist opportunities to shine,50% of d artist i know from west is tru snoop.so its up to them to hustle their way up from there.
And remember snoop is just a rapper,not a producer and bussiness man like dre & co.
thats my view man
The thing is muthafuckas are never gonna stop beefin cats are still beefin right now so that whole shit was not a success. But thats just what i think. As far as Snoop giving West Coast cats opportunities that isnt true neither that only people i heard from him were the east sidaz. Again thats just my outlook on the whole situation.
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My own opinion is dis---
The west coast conference is not about Snoop helping everybody on d west,its about niggaz putting their beefs aside and doing good music, look for opportunities in industry,way to get those opportunity and someone like glass is doing that,40 glocc is with g-unit,spider id there too,so some are doing bussinees already,Snoop said it--him and Dre cant help everybody on d west.
And on the tookie situation i bet its tookie's people and atorney that will come up with d plot of snoop doing rally for him coz he's a celebrity and will get peoples attention(i dont see snoop trying hard to get recognition as a gang member now,he's way past that)
I think west coast artist need to get their hustle on and stop concentrating on beefs.
And if you care to ask me,i will tell you snoop has given a lot of west coast artist opportunities to shine,50% of d artist i know from west is tru snoop.so its up to them to hustle their way up from there.
And remember snoop is just a rapper,not a producer and bussiness man like dre & co.
thats my view man
That was an interesting post, props.
In some ways, I agree. Snoop can't help every new artist on the West Coast. He is, after all, only one man. However, Snoop should have known his limitations when he announced the conference. If he had no intention of working with these cats, or couldn't make the time to do so, then he shouldn't have made so many statements saying that he would. If you're an up-and-coming rapper from anywhere in the world, imagine how excited you would be at the prospect of working with an icon like Snoop. I'm sure that there must have been a few rappers who felt that way, only to be left disappointed to see the Western Conference didn't necessarily benefit their situation. In the same way that some have gone on to say what a good thing the summit was, others have implied that it may have been either for Snoop's personal gain or a publicity stunt.
As for Spider and 40 working with G-Unit, you've got to remember that isn't necessarily a show of West Coast unity being that G-Unit is an East Coast driven clique. I see what you're saying though, and it's good to see some West Coast rappers get a powerhouse label behind them. However, that comes at a cost. We've now seen those pics of 40 wearing a ''Game Over'' T-Shirt after all, and wasn't Jayo meant to have Snoop and Game on his first single back when he was signed to Treacherous? Can't see that happening now...
Snoop and Dre can't help everyone. That much is true. But it seem like, unless you're affiliated with a star like Snoop, Dre, or now The Game, you have to work a hundred times harder to get your name out there. That's why I was a bit disappointed in The Game on "120", as he didn't congratulate Glasses but instead said how pissed he got for G. Malone "misusing" his logo...
As I said originally, I'm still in two minds. What I am certain about, is that more should have been done to push this movement - and not just by Snoop.
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My own opinion is dis---
The west coast conference is not about Snoop helping everybody on d west,its about niggaz putting their beefs aside and doing good music, look for opportunities in industry,way to get those opportunity and someone like glass is doing that,40 glocc is with g-unit,spider id there too,so some are doing bussinees already,Snoop said it--him and Dre cant help everybody on d west.
And on the tookie situation i bet its tookie's people and atorney that will come up with d plot of snoop doing rally for him coz he's a celebrity and will get peoples attention(i dont see snoop trying hard to get recognition as a gang member now,he's way past that)
I think west coast artist need to get their hustle on and stop concentrating on beefs.
And if you care to ask me,i will tell you snoop has given a lot of west coast artist opportunities to shine,50% of d artist i know from west is tru snoop.so its up to them to hustle their way up from there.
And remember snoop is just a rapper,not a producer and bussiness man like dre & co.
thats my view man
The thing is muthafuckas are never gonna stop beefin cats are still beefin right now so that whole shit was not a success. But thats just what i think. As far as Snoop giving West Coast cats opportunities that isnt true neither that only people i heard from him were the east sidaz. Again thats just my outlook on the whole situation.
well thats my view.sorry but for me the people i heard from snoop are eastsidaz,bad azz,soopafly,doggy's angel,lil c style,butch cassidy,daz,e-white..e.t.c
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My own opinion is dis---
The west coast conference is not about Snoop helping everybody on d west,its about niggaz putting their beefs aside and doing good music, look for opportunities in industry,way to get those opportunity and someone like glass is doing that,40 glocc is with g-unit,spider id there too,so some are doing bussinees already,Snoop said it--him and Dre cant help everybody on d west.
And on the tookie situation i bet its tookie's people and atorney that will come up with d plot of snoop doing rally for him coz he's a celebrity and will get peoples attention(i dont see snoop trying hard to get recognition as a gang member now,he's way past that)
I think west coast artist need to get their hustle on and stop concentrating on beefs.
And if you care to ask me,i will tell you snoop has given a lot of west coast artist opportunities to shine,50% of d artist i know from west is tru snoop.so its up to them to hustle their way up from there.
And remember snoop is just a rapper,not a producer and bussiness man like dre & co.
thats my view man
That was an interesting post, props.
In some ways, I agree. Snoop can't help every new artist on the West Coast. He is, after all, only one man. However, Snoop should have known his limitations when he announced the conference. If he had no intention of working with these cats, or couldn't make the time to do so, then he shouldn't have made so many statements saying that he would. If you're an up-and-coming rapper from anywhere in the world, imagine how excited you would be at the prospect of working with an icon like Snoop. I'm sure that there must have been a few rappers who felt that way, only to be left disappointed to see the Western Conference didn't necessarily benefit their situation. In the same way that some have gone on to say what a good thing the summit was, others have implied that it may have been either for Snoop's personal gain or a publicity stunt.
As for Spider and 40 working with G-Unit, you've got to remember that isn't necessarily a show of West Coast unity being that G-Unit is an East Coast driven clique. I see what you're saying though, and it's good to see some West Coast rappers get a powerhouse label behind them. However, that comes at a cost. We've now seen those pics of 40 wearing a ''Game Over'' T-Shirt after all, and wasn't Jayo meant to have Snoop and Game on his first single back when he was signed to Treacherous? Can't see that happening now...
Snoop and Dre can't help everyone. That much is true. But it seem like, unless you're affiliated with a star like Snoop, Dre, or now The Game, you have to work a hundred times harder to get your name out there. That's why I was a bit disappointed in The Game on "120", as he didn't congratulate Glasses but instead said how pissed he got for G. Malone "misusing" his logo...
As I said originally, I'm still in two minds. What I am certain about, is that more should have been done to push this movement - and not just by Snoop.
INTRESTING,FEEL YOU ON THAT
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Anybody have d idea where all dis new artist on d welcometo d chuuch album traclist comes from?
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g unit ruined a lot of it
also the conference did seem really snoop-centric, like it was mainly snoop's homies and shit
that being said, i think it was a good idea but rappers didn't really stick to it (first yukmouth dissing the fuck out of people, and then 50 setting spider loc to diss the fuck out of people and gettin 40 glocc and jayo a game over t shirt)
and then this lil eazy bullshit (i know lil eazy stans disagree, i don't want to argue with you guys about it, but my personal feeling is that it has something to do with g-unit too), the west on west beef is getting really tiring. there's enough money for everyone in the music industry
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"That's why I was a bit disappointed in The Game on "120", as he didn't congratulate Glasses but instead said how pissed he got for G. Malone "misusing" his logo..."
listen to the lyrics, he's going at mike lynn (guy that signed game, then went to sony and got glasses the sony deal), and he made clear that it wasn't meant to be a diss, but that he was just angry about it. he and glasses are cool, apparently, and there's no beef there. game doesn't want to beef with lil eazy either.
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can someone explain what exactly game meant about glasses malone in 120 bars? i thought glasses malone was part of blackwallstreet or an affiliate? and game was cool with him?
also i think the conference was a joke because nothing has changed, it was just a rap celebrity meeting to me
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can someone explain what exactly game meant about glasses malone in 120 bars? i thought glasses malone was part of blackwallstreet or an affiliate? and game was cool with him?
G-Malone ditched BWS and signed with sony. From what I've heard they are cool right now.
I can't find who said it but, they were right: snoop can't do it by hisself; Other West Coast rapper had to feel this idea at the conference about unity. Problem was when they left the building, it didn't seem like anyone cared. Like the old saying goes "united we stand, devided we fall" west coast rappers have too big of an ego, and take beefs too personally. You wanna be a recognized rapper, you need to know how to hustle your shit, instead of taking the easy way out and just trying to diss someone becuase that won't work. Espically when a whole coast is doing it.
But I can't say the conference was a complete waste, regardless if it was just a publicity stunt or not. Cause you can start to see some niggaz working together a little and some beefs have been squashed.
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Daz/ Kurupt beef got squashed. Lil Eazy said something like "I wasn't even allowed to approach Daz."
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I think Y'all Need to give it some times, Its only been 6 months , and we are human so believe or not , Im sure that there is alot of issues that didnt get squashed on that conference, and as I think about it Snoop was there as an exemple, He Squashed is beef with Jayo & Suge, wich should have influence alot of people to put all the issues aside and give love to each other. But to me it was more a Meeting to squash all the beefs that there was between the Dogg Pound Members..if it wasnt for this conference this wouldnt be happening :
Daz is burning up the westcoast charts. To all promoters booking Dogg Pound reunion tour please contact Bret Lewis at Bretlewis@aol.com.
Tour Lineup
Daz
Kurupt
Badazz
Rbx
Dogg Pound DPGC all on stage
Guest apperance by Soopafly
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I think Y'all Need to give it some times, Its only been 6 months , and we are human so believe or not , Im sure that there is alot of issues that didnt get squashed on that conference, and as I think about it Snoop was there as an exemple, He Squashed is beef with Jayo & Suge, wich should have influence alot of people to put all the issues aside and give love to each other. But to me it was more a Meeting to squash all the beefs that there was between the Dogg Pound Members..if it wasnt for this conference this wouldnt be happening :
Daz is burning up the westcoast charts. To all promoters booking Dogg Pound reunion tour please contact Bret Lewis at Bretlewis@aol.com.
Tour Lineup
Daz
Kurupt
Badazz
Rbx
Dogg Pound DPGC all on stage
Guest apperance by Soopafly
All the people involved in that tour are names that have had their chance to shine...it's not really helping any of the new breed of West Coast rappers. Good to see, although we've seen similar tours in the past.
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waste of time
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snoop is on 50's level when tryin to create publicity!
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Couldnt agree more Snoop put this shit together to better himself, not the westcoast
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[quote He Squashed is beef with Jayo & Suge,
suge said snoop never got in contact with him...
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Western Conference = BULLSHIT
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it was good 4 the west at the time being but not much is gonna change. niggaz is 2 hard headed. look at all the shit lil eazy n spider b talking. and shit in the west aint gonna change till we get another west coast owned label like dr was back in the 90's.