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Title: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 04, 2005, 04:36:20 PM
i'll start it off.....


HELP!!


no but seriously, i need serious help with this game.  I've been fine at "champ manager" in the past - usually you develop a good formation for the game and that is it.

but everything and i mean EVERYTHING i try in this game with a team such as Chelsea just gets me defeat after defeat.

anyone who can offer guidance shall be propped eternally....  :'(
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: eS El Duque on December 04, 2005, 04:47:46 PM
im having the same problem as you buddy  >:(...im losing to low-class teams when Im Chelsea lol
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 04, 2005, 04:57:06 PM
ive actually not lost in 4 games now with chelsea

but ive become the most boring team on the planet.

1-0
1-0
2-0
0-0
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 04, 2005, 05:03:36 PM
My only advice is go Celtic and sign Paul Hartley. Double and Champions league semi finals.... 8)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 04, 2005, 05:08:47 PM
My only advice is go Celtic and sign Paul Hartley. Double and Champions league semi finals.... 8)

no formation advice, tactics...etc?
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 05, 2005, 01:15:38 AM
Aaaah ov course, sorry man.

442
                                             
                                             

                                          Boruc
Agathe                  Virgo(i got Bonera in on loan in january)                        Balde             Camara (signed Ian Harte in january)


Pearson                Hartley/Lennon                                                           Petrov            Nakamura

                            Hartson/Beattie           Magic/Maloney/Sutton(i sold sutton in january n got mcfadden in on loan)


Make Petrov run diagonally 1 arrow and the wingers forward 1 arrow and if u need a goal obviously increase the arrows. A good piece of advice is never play 3 up front it never works, better with Maloney behind strikers. Sometimes i also revert 2 the classic 4 1 2 1 2 formation which won me every trophy available 2 win in the Champ series wit the tic but dont really work 2 well in FM. I dont even remember if i set things like counter attacks, playmakers or nethin, best 2 just tweak around with them in preseason. Also i made the mistake of getting loan deals in in january but ur prolly better not doing it at all if u want 2 do nethin in europe as they cant play so in the champions league semis i had 2 play one striker and a very weak central defense bcoz of injuries/suspensions. I was duly humped 4-0 on aggregate fae Bayern Munich.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 05, 2005, 08:02:52 AM
Formations seem to be more of a factor in FM06, playing your players in their favourite/natural postition is very important this time round whereas in the older games you could use say a AML as a ML but this time it doesn't work as well

The formations that I've most success with are as follows:

Individual tatics are important, I tend to give my AMC and 2 MC's free roles depending on their stats, and have the SC hold the ball up

      GK                                          GK                        GK                            GK
RB CB CB LB                             RB CB CB LB           RB CB CB LB               RB CB CB LB
      DM                                          DM                   MC MC MC                   MC MC
      MC                                      MC    MC             AMR       AML             AMR AMC AML
AMR AMC AML                          AMR     AML                 SC                             SC
      SC                                          SC


Some good players are

Tobias Hysen
Pablo Vitti
Celsinho
Betinho
Pablo Barrientos
Michael Rensing
Zalayeta
Nik Besagno
Freddy Adu
Freddy Guarin
Roman Bednar
Fabio Grosso
Tomas Sivok
Leonardo Pischulli (SP)
Leo Messi

Check out the Argentina, Sweden, Mexico, and Columbia U20's (U21's)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 05, 2005, 09:02:08 AM
thanks for the help  :)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 05, 2005, 01:36:28 PM
Formations seem to be more of a factor in FM06, playing your players in their favourite/natural postition is very important this time round whereas in the older games you could use say a AML as a ML but this time it doesn't work as well

The formations that I've most success with are as follows:

Individual tatics are important, I tend to give my AMC and 2 MC's free roles depending on their stats, and have the SC hold the ball up

      GK                                          GK                        GK                            GK
RB CB CB LB                             RB CB CB LB           RB CB CB LB               RB CB CB LB
      DM                                          DM                   MC MC MC                   MC MC
   MC MC                                      MC MC             AMR       AML             AMR AMC AML
AMR AMC AML                          AMR     AML                 SC                             SC
      SC                                         SC  SC


Some good players are

Tobias Hysen
Pablo Vitti
Celsinho
Betinho
Pablo Barrientos
Michael Rensing
Zalayeta
Nik Besagno
Freddy Adu
Freddy Guarin
Roman Bednar
Fabio Grosso
Tomas Sivok
Leonardo Pischulli (SP)
Leo Messi

Check out the Argentina, Sweden, Mexico, and Columbia U20's (U21's)

the first 2 formations contain 12 players.....
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Paul on December 05, 2005, 03:38:40 PM
^^^lol

i ordered it to come at christmas, i havnt heard much good reviews onnit particularly cause of the level its too hard.

is it worth the money( i got it for £15) iv played champ man all my life and none hav compared to 01/02 or 03/04
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 05, 2005, 04:12:57 PM
it is hard man - but that shall make being good at it all the more sweet  :)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Intriago33 on December 05, 2005, 04:15:59 PM
^^^lol

i ordered it to come at christmas, i havnt heard much good reviews onnit particularly cause of the level its too hard.

is it worth the money( i got it for £15) iv played champ man all my life and none hav compared to 01/02 or 03/04

Yeah dogg, CM01/02 was the best in the series.

I'm still playing FM2005, but I saw earlier that Amazon are selling FM2006 for £17.

I can't really offer tips for the new game, nor for top sides, as I generally play with lower division sides in Italy.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 05, 2005, 08:07:14 PM
Im not just saying this as i am a supporter but i feel Celtic r probably the best team 2 go as expecations aint that high on a european level and just getting past the group stages is a bonus but winning the champions league within 5 seasons is extremely doable. Iv went Celtic since champ 99/00 (in my opinion the GOAT, im playing that shit even now) and havent failed 2 win the champions league within 5 seasons and reached the 100 million pound budget within the first three. In the new FM series im stickin with Celtic but Same applies 4 Lyon as my m8, went them and has dominated the french league and is coming much closer 2 champions league....My god im getting all in the mood 2 play old skool champ right now, it is no doubt the greatest game ever invented.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: DopeDeala on December 05, 2005, 11:07:43 PM
Since Chelsea is a quality team, you can play attacking with it which improves the chances to score and gain a lead. When so, around the 70th minute stall as much as you can...go to team tactics and put 'wasting time' at maximum. They start to waste time and its prefends that the opponent will score a equalizer or even more between the 70th and full time. Happened to me alot.

Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: DopeDeala on December 05, 2005, 11:09:16 PM
Oh yeah, im playin with Ajax at. Some players to look out for:

Fabio Santos(DL)
Edilson(DR)
Diego Tardelli(SC)
Gioda(DC)
Marcelo Grohe(GK)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mygla on December 06, 2005, 03:59:44 AM
since we're talking about manager games.. does anyone have the good ol' Championship Manager 2 (95/96, 96/97, 97/98 or 98/99)? they where much better then this new shit...
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 07, 2005, 06:45:27 AM
the first 2 formations contain 12 players.....

Oops :-[   Should be

       GK                           GK            also                         GK                     
RB CB CB LB              RB CB CB LB                               CB CB CB             
       DM                          DM                                 WBR       WBL               
       CM                        MC MC                                   MC MC                   
AMR AMC AML          AMR       AML                                AMC                   
       SC                           SC                                      SC SC                     
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 08, 2005, 01:26:07 AM
Hey thts a pretty nice picture from the Death Star (Ibrox)....good 2 c, not a union jack in site.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 08, 2005, 01:55:25 PM
LOL - scroll to the right
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 08, 2005, 02:10:30 PM
I knew it was 2 good 2 b true...fuckin scum
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 09, 2005, 04:38:51 AM
my formation at Juve seems to be working well

                  Ibrahimovic
Nedved                             Camoranesi
             Juninho P    Vieira
                     Emerson
Zambrotta  Thuram  Cannavaro  Zebina
                     Buffon
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 09, 2005, 02:06:44 PM
No room 4 Del Piero or Trezeguet!?  :o
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 10, 2005, 07:51:56 AM
who would u drop?
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 10, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
Playing that formation i wouldnt drop ne1, infact id prolly sell 1 of them and buy a long term replacement for viera....and besides Antonio might cry if u drop Zlatan.  ;D....THe shockd face was for the fact that u wer winning without those 2.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 10, 2005, 01:59:29 PM
trezeguet never scores for me in it - but whenever i play del he seems to find the net.  but zlatan has 38 goals in 26 games.  :yikes:

you seem to always get a good record for a forward when you are playing 1 solo up front so i won't take too much credit.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Kassem on December 10, 2005, 03:04:45 PM
Formation doesn't matter as much as instructions

try this site

http://www.fmunderground.net/fmu/index.php?fmu=5
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 10, 2005, 04:41:29 PM
Formation doesn't matter as much as instructions

try this site

http://www.fmunderground.net/fmu/index.php?fmu=5

it's true that instructions are vitally important but as long as u find a formation that works you are OK.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 12, 2005, 06:36:42 AM
Zlatan is awesome in the game that formation works exceptionally well with the right sort of players which you seem to have no probs

I knew it was 2 good 2 b true...fuckin scum

Quite a tad harsh imo, considering we're a Scottish and British club why shouldn't we have both flags on the impressive display?
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Kassem on December 12, 2005, 09:06:43 AM
reggie noble isn't u will neva walk alonw a liverpool thang
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 12, 2005, 01:07:42 PM
reggie noble isn't u will neva walk alonw a liverpool thang

it is NOW after the took the song from us
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Kassem on December 12, 2005, 06:42:35 PM
i been supporting liverpool for 9 years and i neva heard about that,wat thats about
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 12, 2005, 06:49:53 PM
pretty basic - we were playing it (and singing it) at our ground first

kinda the same as a lot of british clubs doing the huddle now before the game

(http://www.celtic-irish-club.com/image-accueil/Huddle-0800.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: The Predator on December 12, 2005, 11:38:41 PM
Theres various training schedules and the system is a lot easier this time around.
Buy a load of good coaches/assistant managers and set one coach each to one training option like say Shooting until you get the maximum five stars and workload is light by adding another coach to that schedule.

Team talks are flawed but important set ya assistant manager from the options to take controll of them if you prefer.

Rest players a day before or a day after the match if ya players get tired often with ya tactic. Go to training and set schedule for all instead of wasting time for players indivudually.

Ive been playing a system of

         GK
DL  DC    DC     DR
        DM
AL             AR
       |
       AM with barrow down
      ST ST

Some of the Wonderkids

Kerlon
Leo Messi
Arfa
Kompany
Adu
Akinfeev
Atila
Dervite Dorian
Ochoa
Gladstone
Nuri Sahin
Mascherano

Any more tips n advice just ask.





 
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: The Predator on December 12, 2005, 11:44:42 PM
^^^lol

i ordered it to come at christmas, i havnt heard much good reviews onnit particularly cause of the level its too hard.

is it worth the money( i got it for £15) iv played champ man all my life and none hav compared to 01/02 or 03/04

I think its a really good game you shall hopefully enjoy playing it. But It's more like an extension of FM 2005 with new features and game engine then say a brand new game. The game does have some problems that si need to sort out.

Dont forget to get the bug/updated transfer patch from si games site it sorts out a lot of annoying bugs n errors.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 13, 2005, 08:18:29 AM
pretty basic - we were playing it (and singing it) at our ground first

kinda the same as a lot of british clubs doing the huddle now before the game


YNWA is a Liverpool song, always has always will be, sorry Mac 10 but the scousers were singing the song long before Celtic fans started singing this, this seems to be yet another urban myth that comes from Celtic fans, yes you's sing it but ask any Liverpool fan (Gerry from Gerry and the Pacemakers will do :P) and they'll tell you that that you's copied them, to claim its a celtic song 1st and a Liverpool song 2nd is a bit cheeky even for Celtic :laugh:


Tony Mowbary was the main man behind the 'celtic huddle' but its not just owned by celtic its a universal thing that has been used by many teams in many sports
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Noname on December 13, 2005, 08:35:48 AM
www.thedugout.net

Try this site. This is a great site for everything fm06 related, and also great forums.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 13, 2005, 10:36:08 AM
pretty basic - we were playing it (and singing it) at our ground first

kinda the same as a lot of british clubs doing the huddle now before the game


YNWA is a Liverpool song, always has always will be, sorry Mac 10 but the scousers were singing the song long before Celtic fans started singing this, this seems to be yet another urban myth that comes from Celtic fans, yes you's sing it but ask any Liverpool fan (Gerry from Gerry and the Pacemakers will do :P) and they'll tell you that that you's copied them, to claim its a celtic song 1st and a Liverpool song 2nd is a bit cheeky even for Celtic :laugh:


Tony Mowbary was the main man behind the 'celtic huddle' but its not just owned by celtic its a universal thing that has been used by many teams in many sports

i disagree - i've been told by many (including life-long liverpool fans) that they sang it after us

and i didn't say we "owned" it - please do not change my words
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 13, 2005, 10:58:48 AM
pretty basic - we were playing it (and singing it) at our ground first

kinda the same as a lot of british clubs doing the huddle now before the game


YNWA is a Liverpool song, always has always will be, sorry Mac 10 but the scousers were singing the song long before Celtic fans started singing this, this seems to be yet another urban myth that comes from Celtic fans, yes you's sing it but ask any Liverpool fan (Gerry from Gerry and the Pacemakers will do :P) and they'll tell you that that you's copied them, to claim its a celtic song 1st and a Liverpool song 2nd is a bit cheeky even for Celtic :laugh:


Tony Mowbary was the main man behind the 'celtic huddle' but its not just owned by celtic its a universal thing that has been used by many teams in many sports

i disagree - i've been told by many (including life-long liverpool fans) that they sang it after us

and i didn't say we "owned" it - please do not change my words

I never said that you said the 'huddle' was owned by Celtic (perhaps I used the wrong word there), though am I correct in that Celtic have tried to trademark it?

With regards to YNWA I know a lot of Liverpool fans and they don't like that Celtic try to claim YNWA and would never say that they sung it after Cetlic, here's a couple of articles in regards to it


YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

"I'm constantly being drawn into debates about who sang You'll Never Walk Alone first, said Damian in Chester. "I've failed to come up with evidence to support my belief that it was the Celtic faithful. I'd appreciate any information which serves to conclude this dispute once and for all."

Last week we thought it was definitely the Liverpool fans who sang in first. Not so, reckons Alasdair, who is looking to blast a hole in this commonly held theory. "Your research fails to mention that there was a popular Perry Como version of the song in 1957 which went down a bomb in the Glasgow music halls," he says. You can almost feel the beating of pigeons' wings as the cat is put amongst them.

However Stephen Smith points to Adrian Thrills' pro-Liverpool reference in his 1998 book, You're Not Singing Anymore, wherein the author quotes the oft-cited tendency for Liverpool supporters to sing chart toppers of the day.

"Thrills is the ex-Editor of "Goal", writes for the Daily Mail and a Londoner, so this makes him more objective than either Liverpudlians or Celtic fans (who usually can't remember if they're Scots or Irish and only ever remember they're British when the European Cup's ancient history is mentioned!)," he says.

Thrills writes: "Inspired ... partly by the emerging strains of the beat boom that was sweeping the port's nightclubs, the 28,000 souls who stood on the Kop started to express themselves with passionate versions of pop hits such as "She Loves You" by The Beatles, "I Like It" by Freddie & The Dreamers and "Anyone Who Had A Heart" by Cilla Black.

"You'll Never Walk Alone", the song that was to become their anthem, was written by Rodgers & Hammerstein for the musical 'Carousel', but adopted by the Kop after Gerry & The Pacemakers charted with the track in 1963."

Sounds convincing to us. But that's not all. Dennis O'Neill, who stood in the Jungle at Celtic Park in the 1970s, cannot recall any occasion when it was sung in his presence, saying that it was looked on as a "distinctly English" song. "That was 30 years ago, though, so I could be very wrong, " he concedes

Also

 Liverpool or Celtic: who Walked Alone first?

Send your questions - to the.boss@guardian.co.uk and we'll do our best to help

Jessica Aldred and Sean Ingle
Wednesday March 12, 2003

Living in an area with a large contingent of Liverpool fans, writes Damian, who lives in Chester should you be wondering, I'm constantly being drawn into debates about who sang You'll Never Walk Alone first. I've failed to come up with evidence to support my belief that it was the Celtic faithful. I'd appreciate any information which serves to conclude this dispute once and for all.

While many Celtic fan-based websites provide the words to You'll Never Walk Alone, and it features on the CD Green & White Anthems, there is no historical evidence that Celtic fans sang it on their terraces first. Instead, a cursory glance back in time shows that Liverpool have the much stronger claims.

After all, the song, originally written by Rodgers and Hammerstein in 1945 for the Broadway musical Carousel, only became a terrace favourite after it was covered by Gerry and the Pacemakers in November 1963. Almost immediately - as footage from Panorama in 1964 shows - Liverpool supporters adopted it.

As Paul Fields points out: "Before the early 60s football fans made noise and occasionally chanted something brief (like Play Up Pompey!) but it was the Kop that started singing popular songs of the day (mainly Merseybeat songs such as Gerry and the Pacemakers' You'll Never Walk Alone) and later started to adapt the lyrics of songs to celebrate the team and its players.

"If any Celtic fans still claim that they sang it first, it would have to predate Gerry's version. Now can you really see thousands of working class Glaswegians in the 50s/early 60s spontaneously joining in a sing-along from a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical?" No, us neither.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Noname on December 13, 2005, 12:13:42 PM
pretty basic - we were playing it (and singing it) at our ground first

kinda the same as a lot of british clubs doing the huddle now before the game


YNWA is a Liverpool song, always has always will be, sorry Mac 10 but the scousers were singing the song long before Celtic fans started singing this, this seems to be yet another urban myth that comes from Celtic fans, yes you's sing it but ask any Liverpool fan (Gerry from Gerry and the Pacemakers will do :P) and they'll tell you that that you's copied them, to claim its a celtic song 1st and a Liverpool song 2nd is a bit cheeky even for Celtic :laugh:


Tony Mowbary was the main man behind the 'celtic huddle' but its not just owned by celtic its a universal thing that has been used by many teams in many sports

i disagree - i've been told by many (including life-long liverpool fans) that they sang it after us

and i didn't say we "owned" it - please do not change my words

I never said that you said the 'huddle' was owned by Celtic (perhaps I used the wrong word there), though am I correct in that Celtic have tried to trademark it?

With regards to YNWA I know a lot of Liverpool fans and they don't like that Celtic try to claim YNWA and would never say that they sung it after Cetlic, here's a couple of articles in regards to it


YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

"I'm constantly being drawn into debates about who sang You'll Never Walk Alone first, said Damian in Chester. "I've failed to come up with evidence to support my belief that it was the Celtic faithful. I'd appreciate any information which serves to conclude this dispute once and for all."

Last week we thought it was definitely the Liverpool fans who sang in first. Not so, reckons Alasdair, who is looking to blast a hole in this commonly held theory. "Your research fails to mention that there was a popular Perry Como version of the song in 1957 which went down a bomb in the Glasgow music halls," he says. You can almost feel the beating of pigeons' wings as the cat is put amongst them.

However Stephen Smith points to Adrian Thrills' pro-Liverpool reference in his 1998 book, You're Not Singing Anymore, wherein the author quotes the oft-cited tendency for Liverpool supporters to sing chart toppers of the day.

"Thrills is the ex-Editor of "Goal", writes for the Daily Mail and a Londoner, so this makes him more objective than either Liverpudlians or Celtic fans (who usually can't remember if they're Scots or Irish and only ever remember they're British when the European Cup's ancient history is mentioned!)," he says.

Thrills writes: "Inspired ... partly by the emerging strains of the beat boom that was sweeping the port's nightclubs, the 28,000 souls who stood on the Kop started to express themselves with passionate versions of pop hits such as "She Loves You" by The Beatles, "I Like It" by Freddie & The Dreamers and "Anyone Who Had A Heart" by Cilla Black.

"You'll Never Walk Alone", the song that was to become their anthem, was written by Rodgers & Hammerstein for the musical 'Carousel', but adopted by the Kop after Gerry & The Pacemakers charted with the track in 1963."

Sounds convincing to us. But that's not all. Dennis O'Neill, who stood in the Jungle at Celtic Park in the 1970s, cannot recall any occasion when it was sung in his presence, saying that it was looked on as a "distinctly English" song. "That was 30 years ago, though, so I could be very wrong, " he concedes

Also

 Liverpool or Celtic: who Walked Alone first?

Send your questions - to the.boss@guardian.co.uk and we'll do our best to help

Jessica Aldred and Sean Ingle
Wednesday March 12, 2003

Living in an area with a large contingent of Liverpool fans, writes Damian, who lives in Chester should you be wondering, I'm constantly being drawn into debates about who sang You'll Never Walk Alone first. I've failed to come up with evidence to support my belief that it was the Celtic faithful. I'd appreciate any information which serves to conclude this dispute once and for all.

While many Celtic fan-based websites provide the words to You'll Never Walk Alone, and it features on the CD Green & White Anthems, there is no historical evidence that Celtic fans sang it on their terraces first. Instead, a cursory glance back in time shows that Liverpool have the much stronger claims.

After all, the song, originally written by Rodgers and Hammerstein in 1945 for the Broadway musical Carousel, only became a terrace favourite after it was covered by Gerry and the Pacemakers in November 1963. Almost immediately - as footage from Panorama in 1964 shows - Liverpool supporters adopted it.

As Paul Fields points out: "Before the early 60s football fans made noise and occasionally chanted something brief (like Play Up Pompey!) but it was the Kop that started singing popular songs of the day (mainly Merseybeat songs such as Gerry and the Pacemakers' You'll Never Walk Alone) and later started to adapt the lyrics of songs to celebrate the team and its players.

"If any Celtic fans still claim that they sang it first, it would have to predate Gerry's version. Now can you really see thousands of working class Glaswegians in the 50s/early 60s spontaneously joining in a sing-along from a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical?" No, us neither.

Us feyenoord supporters sing it to. Not to often, but sometimes. And its a great song.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 14, 2005, 01:52:39 AM
I dont know bout YNWA , aint it on there badge??...but the huddle is a different story, we been doin the huddle before ne1 started doin it, Nobody talks bout the "sunderland hudle" (am usin that as an example coz a seen them doin it last week)...Its the Celtic Huddle!! All u had 2 do was look at the riot that was nearly caused by Rangers doing it after an old firm, i think that shows (by mimicking us) that even Rangers fans know its ours, if u dont then u in denial or sumthin......and the reason 4 the use of scum is coz i hate evrything British, hav never classed myself British and never will, u dont c Celtic making big tri-colours at Paradise.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Woozie on December 14, 2005, 07:13:29 AM
we sung YNWA first

we won the european cup first (in U.K.)

we did the huddle first

we introduced the 1 minutes applause first (as opposed to the 1 minutes silence)

we set the trends and others follow
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mindless Minority on December 14, 2005, 12:20:54 PM
Why the fuck is there so many Scot's on this board?

What happened to that nobhead Bez eh? At least he wasn't Scottish (Okay scousers are nearly as bad but still)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 14, 2005, 06:04:57 PM
Coz us Jocks run the world....what u dint know?? We invented football 4 fuck saik!...sits back n waits 4 the arguments 2 ensue.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 15, 2005, 01:37:43 AM
we sung YNWA first

we won the european cup first (in U.K.)

we did the huddle first

we introduced the 1 minutes applause first (as opposed to the 1 minutes silence)

we set the trends and others follow

How can you say that you sung YNWA 1st? there is no evidence of this and almost all of the footballing world knows that it was Liverpool, is this the old fable of if you say something often enough then people will believe it?

Yeah you's were the 1st British team to win the European Cup well done (also the first ever and only holders to be put out of the competition in the 1st round the following season)

The huddle you may well have been the first team to do the huddle yeah,

The one minutes applause, yeah this was copied from Italian & various other nations where they applaud, but the main reason that Celtic done this was due to the inability of the fans to honour a minutes silence (even when the chairman/owner (Fergus McCann), goalkeeper (Pat Bonner) and captain (Paul McStay) tried to get the fans to be quiet and show respect), where various silences had to shortened due to noise

There is another first, Jock Stein Celtics greatest ever manager was refused a place on the board of Celtic due to not being 'celtic minded' and was rewarded by winning the EC. 9 in a row etc by getting a job as a Celtic pools agent, glad that he was looked after

Also games during the war don't count in most history books (such as honours, appearences, goals etc) apart from celtic where all goals scored count in the history books

There is also the major scandel which is a first and an only in world football, which was covered up by many at the club (for the good of the name of the club)

Yeah celtic set great trends, who would want to follow them?

All u had 2 do was look at the riot that was nearly caused by Rangers doing it after an old firm, i think that shows (by mimicking us) that even Rangers fans know its ours, if u dont then u in denial or sumthin......and the reason 4 the use of scum is coz i hate evrything British, hav never classed myself British and never will, u dont c Celtic making big tri-colours at Paradise.

The trouble by Rangers doing the huddle was caused by Celtic fans not liking it, Rangers fans thought that it was a funny piss take which was the way that it was intended

There are more tri-colours than saltires at the San Giro, Reggie even in the photo in you sig there is a tri-colour on show and no saltires there
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 15, 2005, 02:09:07 AM
DO Celtic football club hand out pieces of white orange n green paper in order to make a whole stand look like one? NO...n they have every right 2 seeing as Celtic r as much Irish as they r scottish (brother walfrid was irish)....and on another note seeing as ur shittin all over Celtic's traditions,  when Rangers anthem which includes the line "up 2 our knees in fenian blood" is still pumped from the speakers week after week at the death star i hardly think that helps the sectarian situation. When ure ex captain (Big amo the fud) calls a player a "black bastard" (Victor Ikpeba) it hardly shines a good light on the club, just as throwing bananas at Bobeo Balde doesnt either.....Also seeing as were talkin bout european exploits, 2 words...Viktoria Zizkov...And as the last point 2nite as a patiently wait ur reply, Remember David Murray said "For every fiver Celtic spend, Well spend a tenner"..look at where that has got yeez...haha.  A Rangers/Celtic discussion on a westcoast forum..who wood hav thought it. lol
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 15, 2005, 12:06:51 PM
DO Celtic football club hand out pieces of white orange n green paper in order to make a whole stand look like one? NO...n they have every right 2 seeing as Celtic r as much Irish as they r scottish (brother walfrid was irish)....and on another note seeing as ur shittin all over Celtic's traditions, when Rangers anthem which includes the line "up 2 our knees in fenian blood" is still pumped from the speakers week after week at the death star i hardly think that helps the sectarian situation. When ure ex captain (Big amo the fud) calls a player a "black bastard" (Victor Ikpeba) it hardly shines a good light on the club, just as throwing bananas at Bobeo Balde doesnt either.....Also seeing as were talkin bout european exploits, 2 words...Viktoria Zizkov...And as the last point 2nite as a patiently wait ur reply, Remember David Murray said "For every fiver Celtic spend, Well spend a tenner"..look at where that has got yeez...haha. A Rangers/Celtic discussion on a westcoast forum..who wood hav thought it. lol

We're a Scottish & British club, the last I checked Scotland was still part of Britain so sorry but there is no problem with having 2 salaries and one union flag on display at Ibrox.

What about anti-british songs sung by celtic fans? what about having a pro-republican band (wolftones) that like to sing provo songs filming a video at there football ground? The official words to Hullo Hullo don't actually include the words that you refer to this is actually a version that has been changed by fans.  I've never seen any bananas thrown at Bobo Balde there were various chants by a section of the support which I am embarrassed about, but I remember Mark Walters debut at Parkhead where fruit stalls in the east end of glasgow ran out of bananas, where people actually dressed up as gorillas and apes to insult Mark Walters, where a celtic apprentice Gerry Britton actually said that he was embarrassed when he had to clean up all the bananas the following day, this was described as the worst incident of racism at a football ground in the UK and there has still never been a worse incident at a football ground in the UK, former SSP leader Tommy Sheriden actually commented that he stopped following Celtic after witnessing this due to being embarressed

I'll give you Victoria Zizkov we were awful away from home and missed a penalty over there, and then our manager decided that we had done enough to qualify and took of Ronald De Boer to rest him for the next game what a mistake that was, both Rangers & Celtic and most of Scottish football have lost many games to smaller clubs that they shouldn't have no argument there

David Murray did say that & yes we ended up in a shit load of debt, this debt has now been stabilised, but Celtic has quite a bit of debt at the moment and the worrying thing for a celtic fan I would reckon is that this is after 2 share issues and a european run that took celtic to the UEFA cup final the club should be more financially secure

Well Rangers and Celtic are both west coast of Scotland clubs so a west coast forum is a good place for a good discussion lol :P Hijacking a thread on the other hand lol
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 15, 2005, 01:28:26 PM
The trouble by Rangers doing the huddle was caused by Celtic fans not liking it, Rangers fans thought that it was a funny piss take which was the way that it was intended

that was not a funny piss take - and you know it
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 15, 2005, 03:36:12 PM
Yup i agree bout the Mark Walters thing...disgrace, though it was before my time. But i thought Football had moved on from then and in this day and age SHOULD NOT exist. period....and i think the Madrid Fiasco was a worse case than the mark walters case as it wasnt a minority it was the majority of the fans who were booing.....Celtic in debt? I hardly think so considring we spent a large sum in the summer (cant think ov exact sum) and have jsut splashed out another 45 k a week WITHOUT having 2 sell players as rangers will undoubtedly have 2 do....we bought class players (naka,Magic,Boruc) and uze looked around the bargain basement bosmans (my use of alliteration has no relevance. lol) and both teams got what they payed 4, i think the league table proves this....IMO the only decent player Rangers have bought in the last 3 seasons is Dado Prso......And on another note what hapend 2 the fifteen million or whatever the figure was that was spent on the big training complex (i hardly think Chris Burke n Ross MCormack justifies fifteen mill) where as Celtic train on a "cabbage patch" as weve been reminded by the daily retard on so many occasions but have managed 2 produce..Craig Beattie (who the gers let go. haha!), Shaun Maloney, Aiden MCgeady, Mick Mcmanus and David Marshall 2 name a few??.....
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 15, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
Yup i agree bout the Mark Walters thing...disgrace, though it was before my time. But i thought Football had moved on from then and in this day and age SHOULD NOT exist. period....and i think the Madrid Fiasco was a worse case than the mark walters case as it wasnt a minority it was the majority of the fans who were booing.....Celtic in debt? I hardly think so considring we spent a large sum in the summer (cant think ov exact sum) and have jsut splashed out another 45 k a week WITHOUT having 2 sell players as rangers will undoubtedly have 2 do....we bought class players (naka,Magic,Boruc) and uze looked around the bargain basement bosmans (my use of alliteration has no relevance. lol) and both teams got what they payed 4, i think the league table proves this....IMO the only decent player Rangers have bought in the last 3 seasons is Dado Prso......And on another note what hapend 2 the fifteen million or whatever the figure was that was spent on the big training complex (i hardly think Chris Burke n Ross MCormack justifies fifteen mill) where as Celtic train on a "cabbage patch" as weve been reminded by the daily retard on so many occasions but have managed 2 produce..Craig Beattie (who the gers let go. haha!), Shaun Maloney, Aiden MCgeady, Mick Mcmanus and David Marshall 2 name a few??.....

i have to disagree with that as i rate Buffel as one of Rangers best players but yeah you are right in saying that apart from Prso rangers haven't bought any really good players recently.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 15, 2005, 08:44:10 PM
I aint seen much of BUffel as i only get champions league games but he was a bit ov alright last season....but the rumour mill is that he is leaving in January as he is a devout catholic and has just discoverd the words 2 half of ranger's songs.....also at feyenoord the manager who bought him was sackd and buffel was forced out and he doesnt want that 2 happen at Rangers.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mindless Minority on December 17, 2005, 09:00:43 AM
Coz us Jocks run the world....what u dint know?? We invented football 4 fuck saik!...sits back n waits 4 the arguments 2 ensue.

I wuv you.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on December 17, 2005, 03:35:58 PM
Coz us Jocks run the world....what u dint know?? We invented football 4 fuck saik!...sits back n waits 4 the arguments 2 ensue.

I wuv you.

good 1..... ::)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: TheDeli on December 19, 2005, 07:49:15 AM
The trouble by Rangers doing the huddle was caused by Celtic fans not liking it, Rangers fans thought that it was a funny piss take which was the way that it was intended

that was not a funny piss take - and you know it

It was done to take the piss by the players and the Rangers fans thought it was funny, it was to take the  piss in same way as the t-shirts that said 'smell the glove' (or the milk, lemonade, chocolate etc) were worn by celtic players after they won the league in 98 ( and we've done the same I won't deny it), and yes offence was taken by the celtic support by the players actions, we had just won the league at Parkhead and the piss was taken salt was rubbed into the wounds etc, as a Rangers fans I'll admit I thought that it was funny, but if a similar incident happened at Ibrox I would have probs been pissed at off

but the rumour mill is that he is leaving in January as he is a devout catholic and has just discoverd the words 2 half of ranger's songs.

What rumour mill is this? this is the first time that i've heard this & I believe it to be a load of bollocks (IMO), Buffel is a very good player & is a player that is very happy at Rangers

What about the clamour at the start of the season about Magic not being good enough?  Nakamura i've not been overly impressed with but Boruc is a very good player & at last celtic do have an excellent keeper

With regards to the training ground (Auchenhowie/Murray Park) this isn't going to be an overnight success, the first real players that we'll see from this shall be in the next 2-3 seasons, from age groups of 12-17 we have some very exciting players who under the correct manager/coaches shall break through and provide serious competition for places and no doubt take their chances.  The problems we have with younger players is no the training ground its mainly the coaching structure at the club was shocking but this has now been rectified and is in the process of improving.  Beattie we let go as according to Advocaat he wasn't good enough, David Marshall ain't gonna get a look in he had a good start but I know a number of celtic fans who seen this boy play for the U21's and were never overlyl impressed, Maloney is impressive in games but why didn't O'Neil have the confidence to play him on a more regular basis? and McGeady well IMO he flatters to deceive on too many occasions. 

Yup i agree bout the Mark Walters thing...disgrace, though it was before my time. But i thought Football had moved on from then and in this day and age SHOULD NOT exist. period....and i think the Madrid Fiasco was a worse case than the mark walters case as it wasnt a minority it was the majority of the fans who were booing

With regards to the Walters incident it was a disgusting incident and one of the worst racism incidents ever seen visually, this was my first ever trip to Parkhead to watch Rangesr vs Celitic there & I never knew what to think there were people in the jungle dressed as members of the KKK and as gorillas

Ian Wright quote from BBC website, 15 Feb 2000:

This came after he and Blinker were racially abused by Celtic fans.

"I felt I was caught up in a war crisis in Kosovo not involved in a football result that wrecked John Barnes' career as Celtic manager. Some so-called fans........covered my car in spit, they were shouting obscenities at myself and Regi Blinker........it was stone-age stuff from reptiles."

A quote from a Daily Record interview by Hugh Keevins with Joe Miller (Ex Celtic) & Graham Roberts (Ex Rangers)

Quote:

(Miller) "Im not sure that the more excessive side of the Old Firm rivalry is a healthy thing for the game or the country. And I've thought that since the day my dad's fruit and veg store in the east end of Glasgow was sold out of banana's because of Mark Walters' debut for Rangers at Celtic Park."

Graham Roberts played in that game and tried his best to diffuse a worrying situation. He said "I went over to the old Jungle at Celtic Park, where I was never a particular favourite, and ate as many of those bananas as I could."

Mark Walters from the book “After The Villa” by Dave Woodhall (Heroes Publishing).

“There was all the publicity about the game; on the morning I was watching TV and this Celtic fan was standing in front of a fruit stall saying ‘This is what Walters is going to get’. When the match was on I had all sorts chucked at me, fruit, pigs feet, darts, the lot. If I’d picked them up I wouldn’t have had to buy any food for a month.”

Gerry Britton quote

"As an apprentice professional with Celtic back in January 1988, I was appalled at the hideous racist goading of Rangers’ black winger Mark Walters during his Old Firm debut at Celtic Park. I was even more sickened on the morning after the match when I was told to help clear the Parkhead trackside of the dozens of bananas that had been thrown onto the field by so-called Celtic supporters intent on upsetting the on-field focus of the Ibrox wing wizard."
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on December 24, 2005, 08:24:57 AM
man anything i do i concede goals, does anyone have any tips how to concede very little??
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Intriago33 on January 11, 2006, 09:08:35 AM
Whaddup! Just finished my first season in charge at Palermo. My aim from the board was a respectable league position, and the fans wanted the UEFA Cup.

My aim was to get that last Champions League spot. Zamparini, (a very demanding chairman in Italy), also wanted me to raise the clubs profile as soon as possible.

I'm pretty pleased with the results. I didn't drop out of the top four all season. I had a bad last month-and-a-half towards the end of the campaign, due to alot of injuries, (even having to field my third keeper for 7 straight games). Up until the last 7 games, Palermo/Juventus and Milan were all seperated my 2 points.

Here's the league table:

(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6185/palermolgtable20069xe.th.jpg)
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermolgtable20069xe.jpg

The best suprise of the season was by hitman Andrea Caracciolo. He had a large role to fill, being Luca Toni's replacement, but he didn't dissapoint. Here's the top goalscorers chart:

(http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/6314/palermotopscorer20060zn.th.jpg)
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermotopscorer20060zn.jpg

I also did well in the UEFA Cup. I knocked out CSKA, Sporting and Everton, before crushing Osasuna in the final:

(http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/3079/palermouefacup20062ap.th.jpg)
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermouefacup20062ap.jpg


Three players I'd recommend to ya'll is:

Andrea Barazgli:

(http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/8814/palermobarzagli20068ar.th.jpg)
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermobarzagli20068ar.jpg

Fabio Grosso:

(http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/5990/palermogrosso20065zx.th.jpg)
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermogrosso20065zx.jpg

Andrea Caracciolo:

(http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/6706/palermocaracciolo20065oe.th.jpg)
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palermocaracciolo20065oe.jpg

I now have £20m to spend in the summer, I hope to build a power-house to compete on a level playing field with Inter,Milan & Juventus.
 :).
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on January 11, 2006, 10:03:15 AM
i demand tactics and team instructions!!!
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Intriago33 on January 11, 2006, 10:37:12 AM
Generally I kept it simple with the 4-4-2 default. Sometimes I chopped about with a 4-5-1, or a 4-4-1-1.

To be honest, I do have a very strong squad, and even though I had alot of injuries, for the most part, I was still able to field a side, I was confident in achieving results.

I like to use the team talks alot, to try and motivate my squad, and just basically keep it simple. I had a great squad morale throughout.

This is my first adventure on FM2006, so I need to find out a little more first. I normally manage in the lower leagues in CM/FM, so it seems strange having money to spend.

Anyways, just picked up Sebastien Frey for £2m. Now I gotta tell my GK who was rated best in the league, he's heading out of Sicily.

Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on January 11, 2006, 10:45:15 AM
what about team instructions?  like do you play attacking and stuff?
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Intriago33 on January 11, 2006, 11:15:50 AM
With Palermo, I haven't changed much at all.

I Chose the set-piece takers, who's where and does what. If i'm behind, i'll take off my right-back and chuck on an extra forward, and move the slider of mentality to the first notch in attacking, but that's about all.

I've tried before setting up with how I'd like to play football- direct passing, pressing game, but with little success on older versions.

I think the half-time team talks make quite a difference.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on January 12, 2006, 09:21:14 AM
FINALLY!!! I have done something in this game!

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2476/chel8si.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on January 12, 2006, 07:00:37 PM
Arsenal 13th. LOL wtf happend to them??
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on January 13, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
Arsenal 13th. LOL wtf happend to them??

lol, prolly why i did so well.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on January 17, 2006, 10:38:02 AM
FINALLY!!! I have done something in this game!

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2476/chel8si.jpg)

what season u in ? QPR , Watford and Southampton in the Premiership.
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Mac 10 † on January 17, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
i think it's 2nd. 3rd at the most
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on May 07, 2006, 03:57:24 AM
Hey sorry 2 b bringin up old shit but i feel its pretty relevant. Is it possible to edit which League a team plays in, in FM 2005 wihout nethin fucking up??.....I want 2 move Celtic and rangers 2 the premiership but when i done it on an old champ manager it fucked shit up.....any way i can do it?
Title: Re: The Official Football Manager 2006 Hints/Tips/Help Thread
Post by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on May 07, 2006, 07:07:48 PM
Uppin'