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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on December 12, 2005, 04:33:27 PM
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With Ron Artest requesting a trade and claiming he does not enjoy playing for Rick Carlisle and more recently Indian Pacer CEO Donnie Walsh saying he will seek a trade for Artest, it is more than obvious that it is not long before Artest is sporting the jersey of another team...I honestly wouldn't like Artest on the Lakers, especially since he is capable of doing shit like this and because he said if he was traded to a west coast team he would sign a long-term deal with the Knicks once his contract was finished...Rumors have included Peja Stojakavic for Artest, Quentin Richardson for Artest, Lamar Odom for Artest, and more...Artest claims he wouldn't mind coming off the bench behind LeBron James or for the Miami Heat, but wants to play for a team where he will have the oppurtunity to score more...I think he's completely unstable and I wouldn't want to trade for him if I was a team...With that being said, I believe we will see him traded to the Knicks...As crazy as he is, I believe this will help the Knicks and will get them in the mind-state that they are ready to compete...A straight up Richardson for Artest trade would leave the Knicks looking like this:
Stephon Marbury...Nate Robinson
Jamal Crawford...Penny Hardaway/Qyntel Woods
Ron Artest...Trevor Ariza/Malik Rose
Channing Frye...Antonio Davis/Maurice Taylor/David Lee
Eddy Curry...Jerome James/Jackie Butler
Coach: Larry Brown
And this is how the Pacers would look:
Jamaal Tinsley...Anthony Johnson/Eddie Gill
Stephen Jackson...Sarunas Jasikevicius/Fred Jones
Quentin Richardson...Danny Granger/Jonathan Bender
Austin Croshere...Jeff Foster/Samaki Walker
Jermain O'Neal...Scott Pollard/David Harrison
Coach: Rick Carlisle
Looks like the Pacers would still have a nice team after the trade and the Knicks would be a lock for the playoffs...So where do you think we'll see Artest playing?
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most likely out of the list he will end up with the knicks
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artest is better than richardson so itll be a bad trade for the pacers.
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don't bring him here, we don't want that pea brain
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Sacramento
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Toronto
trade him for Jalen Rose ;D
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Wont be a trade Q for Artest I can tell you right now. With Bender retiring and coming off the books end of the season, the Pacers will likely want cap relief. Therefore they will include Austin Crochere in any deal.
What is most likely imo is a deal that looks like this
Antonio Davis + Spurs 1st Round pick owed to NY + possibly David Lee or Trevor Ariza (I pray neither need to be used)
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Ron Artest + Austin Crochere
then Indiana will have Artest, Crochere and Benders contracts all off the books season end, as Davis expires in line of Artest and Austin, and then they will be major players in the off season to continue building around JO.
Pacers wanna get value for value, but they wont. Best they will get is 75cents to the dollar, Peja isnt the answer for Indy, so I dont think they will go after him. Not to mention he is a FA end of this season. Artest brings EXACTLY what the Knicks lack. A vocal on/off court voice/leader. A developed 3 man that can guard all the star swingmen in the league. Perimeter defence, we cant play D out there, every team hits about 10 threes against us.
Only concern is he doesnt like playing in a system in Indy, yet thats what LB's trying to implement here in NY, plus he wants to be the offensive star, which could lead him on crazy shooting frenzies...
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Fuck Ron Artest. What a fucking moron. No chance he goes to NY. Larry Brown is the epitome of a team ball coach. Worse than Carlisle. I honestly think that Ron Artest is mentally retarded. We'll send him to the west.
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But as NIK pointed out, he has probably scared a lot of teams off by clearly naming the team he WOULD like to play for (NY, Cleverland to be specific).
Also, he is a bit nutty, so not many guys will risk going after him, Cuban and Isiah Thomas/Dolan on the other hand, have the cash to play around with...
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Toronto
trade him for Jalen Rose ;D
LMAO my friend said the exact same thing yesterday lol
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It's not about talent, you guys, it's about salary...Artest has a very low salary for his level of skill...Q for Artest would benefit both teams. I don't think Indiana will get much for Artest because of his reputation and the comments he made...If the Lakers traded Odom for Artest, I'd be pissed...The Lakers have something going, I would rather sign Spree than trade for Artest...PeACe
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don't bring him here, we don't want that pea brain
Word, I don't want him anywhere near the Lakers.
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I'd love to see Hughes leaving for Artest and some crap player to make the salary suiting, then have Lebron moved to the SG spot. That team would be fire.
Damon Jones
LeBron James
Ron Artest
Drew Gooden
Z
Quentin for Artest would be really fucking garbage for the Pacers, Q sucks at the moment, won't ever make an All-Star team.
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If Artest gets traded to Cleveland, Ilgauskas is gunna be included in the deal...I dunno if they'd do a straight up Z for Artest deal, but that's been speculated...That would move Jermain O'Neal to PF which could be great for Indiana...This is how Indiana would look:
Jamaal Tinsley...Anthony Johnson/Eddie Gill
Sarunas Jasikevicius...Fred Jones
Stephen Jackson...Danny Granger/Jonathan Bender
Jermain O'Neal...Austin Croshere/Samaki Walker
Zydrunas Ilgauskas...Scott Pollard/Jeff Foster/David Harrison
That would be a contending line-up, I believe...The bench just doesn't look too great in the back-court.
and Cleveland:
Eric Snow...Damon Jones/Mike Wilks
Larry Hughes...Luke Jackson/Ira Newble
LeBron James...Ron Artest/Aleksandar Pavlovic
Drew Gooden...Donyell Marshall/Anderson Varejao
Zendon Hamilton...Alan Henderson/Martynas Andriuskevicius
That would leave the second unit looking like a starting line-up for Cleveland...I dunno, a Cleveland-Indiana trade would be interesting.
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There wont be a straight up deal... Austin Crochere and his shitty contract will be FORCED into any deal...
SAS was on his radio show saying Ron wants Knicks, his agent wants Knicks, Isiah wants him, its all up to Donnie Walsh... but lol at them wanting Channing Frye included in a deal :D
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Looks like he's trying to go to Dallas...But like Reggie Miller said, I now think he will be shipped to a losing team. Al Harrington for Artest currently seems very likely to happen. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him end up in Toronto...But I now doubt he'll get one of his requested teams in New York, Cleveland, and more recently Dallas...Dallas was looking at a straight up Stackhouse for Artest swap, which seems very unlikely to happen...The bottom line is, Artest is a straight up idiot. He is in a wonderful place and has a great oppurtunity on a winning team...He's a top scorer and defender, what more does this nutcase want? The Pacers would do that ridiculous Kwame + Lamar for Artest deal Antonio made up in a heartbeat...PeACe
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I don't care where he goes as long as its not the lakers. This dumb ass just fucked himself i predict he will be out of the league soon. Give him a couple more years and he won't be in the NBA. Kind of reminds me of Rodman.
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i picked NY. He says he wants to go to either NY or Cleveland. Either way, he's a good addition to a team. If he can keep his head strait, he's an amazing player. BTW Nik....did you put the Lakers on there because youre praying for this to happen for u guys? lol. I dont think the Pacers would pull the trigger on a trade with LA...not quite sure what you guys could offer. But a player like Artest (if he's stays on the court) would be a perfect fit in LA. You guys need that kind of presence and toughness under the glass.
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I don't care where he goes as long as its not the lakers. This dumb ass just fucked himself i predict he will be out of the league soon. Give him a couple more years and he won't be in the NBA. Kind of reminds me of Rodman.
Rodman was worse....BUT, with the right situation even a nut like Rodman was a great teammate. Its always good to have some sort of defensive guy who likes to bang under the boards. Shit...most of the time guys like that ARE fucked up in the head lol. Rodman...Artest...Oakley....Mason...etc....
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Dallas are not in contention, Mark Cuban said on TV he is happy with the current roster.
Cavs dont have much to offer, they arent parting with Hughes or Z.
Miami could piece together a deal, but its VERY unlikely they will tinker with the chemistry now.
Lakers would need to send something like Bynum + George. Dont think you guys will give up on Bynum this early. Odom wont get shifted one wouldnt think.
Artests agent said a deal to Sac wont happen, and Indiana wont jump at the opportunity to have Peja for half a season, then hear his demands for the max in the off season...
I'm telling you now, he will be a Knick. Possibly through a 3way with ATL, but he's coming here. Donnie Walsh said they want cap relief or youngsters. We have plenty of both. Curry, Frye, Artest = amazing frontline
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Dallas are not in contention, Mark Cuban said on TV he is happy with the current roster.
DAMN.. I'd give Stackhouse up for Artest in a motherfuckin heartbeat. Move Howard to the SG spot and the team is FIZZZIRE. >:( >:( >:(
Why won't Cavs give up Hughes?? Dude's not really fitting mayne
ah goddammit eat a dick@all those loser owners & GMs
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I think Hughes is doing ok there, just give it some time. Shit they are doing ok though.
Yeah apparently Avery Johnson is the main influence behind Dallas not going after Ron Ron. Avery said he hated it how Rodman fucked up the Spurs team, and thinks the same could happen :-\
Ron Artest will be a Knick.
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I would love to see Artest in a Knick Jersey, but i think he'll go to Sacramento because Peja is a great shooting threat and the Pacers definately don't wanna compete with any team Artest goes to in the Eastern Conference...Artest would be an amazing addition to any team that picks him up, he's an All-Star on both sides of the ball.
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If Al Harrington indeed gets traded for Artest I don't know if I can stop laughin.. ever.
What would make it even crazier is if Knicks arent included in a 3 way deal, and Artest ends up in Atlanta.. LMAOOO I guess he'd tear everything apart.
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Artest is ungrateful for everything Larry Bird has done for him. He stuck with Artest thru everything last season, and i know for a fact Bird believes Artest is a great basketball player. I believe Bird doesn't want to give him up, but what else can do you with an "uncaged animal"??
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i picked NY. He says he wants to go to either NY or Cleveland. Either way, he's a good addition to a team. If he can keep his head strait, he's an amazing player. BTW Nik....did you put the Lakers on there because youre praying for this to happen for u guys? lol. I dont think the Pacers would pull the trigger on a trade with LA...not quite sure what you guys could offer. But a player like Artest (if he's stays on the court) would be a perfect fit in LA. You guys need that kind of presence and toughness under the glass.
I'm guessing you didn't read my posts, just the poll...
Rumors have included Peja Stojakavic for Artest, Quentin Richardson for Artest, Lamar Odom for Artest, and more...Artest claims he wouldn't mind coming off the bench behind LeBron James or for the Miami Heat, but wants to play for a team where he will have the oppurtunity to score more...I think he's completely unstable and I wouldn't want to trade for him if I was a team...
if the Lakers traded Odom for Artest, I'd be pissed...The Lakers have something going, I would rather sign Spree than trade for Artest...PeACe
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I would love to see Artest in a Knick Jersey, but i think he'll go to Sacramento because Peja is a great shooting threat and the Pacers definately don't wanna compete with any team Artest goes to in the Eastern Conference...Artest would be an amazing addition to any team that picks him up, he's an All-Star on both sides of the ball.
It's just that they already have a shooter in Sarunas...Sarunas will be better than Peja. I believe Peja would heavily subside if traded to Indiana...
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i picked NY. He says he wants to go to either NY or Cleveland. Either way, he's a good addition to a team. If he can keep his head strait, he's an amazing player. BTW Nik....did you put the Lakers on there because youre praying for this to happen for u guys? lol. I dont think the Pacers would pull the trigger on a trade with LA...not quite sure what you guys could offer. But a player like Artest (if he's stays on the court) would be a perfect fit in LA. You guys need that kind of presence and toughness under the glass.
I'm guessing you didn't read my posts, just the poll...
yup...just the poll... 8)
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There wont be a deal for Peja. Indy dont want veterans, and dont want to have to re-sign peja for the max in the off season...
was glad to hear Isiah say today that he wont be trading Frye/Lee/Robinson ;D we either get Artest for expirings and a throw in, or nothing happens. Rather leave Ron elsewhere than give up the future...
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It makes me sick how so many teams let this opportunity slip through their fingers. Artest would be AWESOME on the Mavs. They are notorious for their horrid defense. Their offense is already kickin, and Artest isnt bad at offense either!! The fact that they don't want to trade Stackhouse for Artest makes my stomache aching. I bet Avery Johnson gets blowjobs from Stack.
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http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3309731
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It makes me sick how so many teams let this opportunity slip through their fingers. Artest would be AWESOME on the Mavs. They are notorious for their horrid defense. Their offense is already kickin, and Artest isnt bad at offense either!! The fact that they don't want to trade Stackhouse for Artest makes my stomache aching. I bet Avery Johnson gets blowjobs from Stack.
how could u not want to trade Stackhouse for Artest? lol. How many games has Stack missed this year? And has it mattered? No. Artest brings instance toughness under the boards. Stack is just another scorer....which they dont need.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2263787
LMAO.. Artest is killin' me.
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i told you NIK, Artest would be a good fit in LA.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-051217-18
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
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I think he has mental problems for real... he should see a psychiatrist and Im not being dissing/cynical
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
So far, we've been able to depend on Odom, Smush, and (most of the time) Mihm for offense. We don't need a player who demands a lot of offense, that's why Odoms good for out system...I think Lakers will do fine.
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The dumbass is still gunna get traded. Looks like Denver might be a possibility...
Pacers likely to trade Artest after holidays. Nuggets showing interest in all-star
By Marc J. Spears
Denver Post Staff Writer
Indiana forward Ron Artest's agent expects his client to spend this holiday season in a Pacers uniform.
The Pacers still plan to trade Artest, who recently requested to be dealt and then changed his mind.
The Nuggets have acknowledged talking to Indiana about Artest and are rumored to be dangling forward-center Nene and guard Earl Watson in exchange for Artest and guard Anthony Johnson.
Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, said Wednesday he is talking to Pacers president Donnie Walsh regularly and expects a trade after the holidays.
Walsh told The Indianapolis Star he doubted a trade would happen this week and said he was still trying to narrow teams for a two- or three-team deal.
"We're just waiting to hear," Stevens said. "Of course, we are part of the process, and no team wants a player that doesn't want to be in that city."
Stevens said he and Artest have not discussed the Nuggets.
"If that becomes an option, we'll cross that bridge when we reach it," Stevens said. "But right now it's not an option. To speculate would be like saying, 'What would you do with a million dollars?' When you get the million dollars, then you decide what to do with it."
The 2004 all-star has a troubled history, most notably his 73-game suspension last season for fighting with fans during a game against Detroit.
"For me, I have so many problems right now that I can't be worried about Ron Artest," said Nuggets coach George Karl, who declined to address what it would be like to coach him. "I think Ron Artest is a great player, always have. ... I have been depressed about what happened in Detroit. I was working for ESPN (as an analyst) at that time. That was a heavy moment. For me, he's a top 25 player in the NBA."
Artest told The Indianapolis Star: "I'm anxious to find out what's happening because I'm ready to get back on the court and start playing again."
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Kobe said on PTI that he would love to play with Ron Artest.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
So far, we've been able to depend on Odom, Smush, and (most of the time) Mihm for offense. We don't need a player who demands a lot of offense, that's why Odoms good for out system...I think Lakers will do fine.
theyll need more if they make the playoffs...believe me. Look how many weapons the Suns had last year (far more then LA), and against a team like SA got crushed.
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
So far, we've been able to depend on Odom, Smush, and (most of the time) Mihm for offense. We don't need a player who demands a lot of offense, that's why Odoms good for out system...I think Lakers will do fine.
theyll need more if they make the playoffs...believe me. Look how many weapons the Suns had last year (far more then LA), and against a team like SA got crushed.
Suns didn't have a Kobe. Suns didn't have a Phil... 8)
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CLIPPERS!!!
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
So far, we've been able to depend on Odom, Smush, and (most of the time) Mihm for offense. We don't need a player who demands a lot of offense, that's why Odoms good for out system...I think Lakers will do fine.
theyll need more if they make the playoffs...believe me. Look how many weapons the Suns had last year (far more then LA), and against a team like SA got crushed.
Suns didn't have a Kobe. Suns didn't have a Phil... 8)
yeah, and the Lakers dont have a team other then Kobe....and Phil cant suit up on gameday, so who gives a shit about him? lol
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Apparently a Lenard plus Nene against Artest trade is on the way
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See...The man is ridiculous. If he wasn't this good, he would never be allowed to pull shit like this...Shit, even if he was on Devean George's skill-level, I believe he woulda' been kicked out of the league a LONGGG time ago for the way he acts...This is why I don't want him in LA... Fuck Artest and his problems... :-X
Phil had Rodman in Chicago. I dunno if Rodman kept it together cus of Phil....or Jordan/Pippen. Or, maybe all three. Artest has problems for sure....but if i were a team who wasnt a contender right now, id go for it. I wouldnt want him on my team right now, but we have a solid roster and he would be a distraction. The Lakers are still in somewhat of a transition stage, without a real chemistry yet anyways. Why not take a chance.
Rodman is 30 times more mentally stable than Artest will ever be. Rodman was just an attention whore, but he still understood things, Aretst is more of a retard who doesn't realize what he does until the month after...Fact is, Lakers are playing great. The chemistry is building, they've re-emerged as an obvious playoff team, and by the end of the year, I believe they will be mentioned under the same breath as all the other contenders...WITHOUT ARTEST.
Artest=Rodman. Just not as mature (he IS younger), but more talented. As for the Lakers...i dont see them as a contender this year man. Be real with yourself. They are playing good right now, i admitted that. But i do think theyll be streaky all year, with a lot of ups and downs.
OK. That's what you think. I believe that in March, they'll be 10 times better than they are now...It's the way Phil works usually.
to be honest with you man, im not sure what to think yet. thats why i havent been makin any real major comments about LA yet. they could get better from this point or they could do this yo yo shit all year. where they look like a 3 or 4 seed in the west....and 2 weeks later look like an 8 seed, or lower. but to be real, i dont know...theyre kind of on that edge where they could go either way. One way or another (and im sure youll agree), theyre gonna need more then Kobe scoring 35+ a night to win in the playoffs. You can beat good teams during the regular season...but in a 7 game series, and more then likely for the Lakers, without homecourt advantage...theyre definetely gonna need some others to step up. They need some people out there who are able to knock down threes consistently...i mean, dependable. Kobe shooting fade away jumpers during the playoffs isnt gonna get it done. theyre gonna need him slashing to the basket...getting in the paint, and causing problems there. but without anyone on the outside making shots...teams will just collapse on him in the lane.
So far, we've been able to depend on Odom, Smush, and (most of the time) Mihm for offense. We don't need a player who demands a lot of offense, that's why Odoms good for out system...I think Lakers will do fine.
theyll need more if they make the playoffs...believe me. Look how many weapons the Suns had last year (far more then LA), and against a team like SA got crushed.
Suns didn't have a Kobe. Suns didn't have a Phil... 8)
yeah, and the Lakers dont have a team other then Kobe....and Phil cant suit up on gameday, so who gives a shit about him? lol
Oh yea, they don't have a team...That's why they were the hottest TEAM in December before the last 2 losses. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit, Lakers are shutting down teams defensively night in and night out. It's just Kobe doing most of the offensive work, even though we got other players who can score (Smush, Odom, Mihm, Cook, etc.)...Once again, just stop ya hating. ::)
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The latest rumblings from the Ron Artest derby, via various NBA front-office sources, as the trade talk inches into its fourth week:
• Minnesota is offering Indiana anyone on its roster not named Kevin Garnett in the hope of pairing Artest with KG. That's because the Wolves are as desperate as the Lakers to make a splashy move -- in their case to keep KG energized and confident in the club's direction -- and because they see KG and Artest (assuming Ron-Ron could actually be counted on) as a devastating combo.
If Artest wants to score more, as stated in his original trade demand, Garnett is unselfish enough to make that happen. And if Artest is ever going to defer to a teammate, KG also (theoretically) has the juice and presence to make that happen. The Wolves, though, have been trying to pull a third team into the mix to better their chances of assembling a package Indy likes.
• The Lakers are still pursuing every three- and four-team scenario they can concoct (without including Lamar Odom) in their desperation to put a certifiable All-Star talent next to Kobe Bryant.
Denver, meanwhile, has led the Artest pursuit from the start and remains equally determined to team the unpredictable defensive ace with Carmelo Anthony. I'm told that Anthony, in addition to urging his Nuggets bosses to make the deal, has also reached out to Artest to let him know how badly he wants the Tru Warier in the Mile High air. Coach George Karl, meanwhile, is said to be as hopeful as 'Melo that a deal materializes.
• Tru Warrior? Golden State might actually have more pieces to deal directly with Indiana than any active suitor ... barring a change of heart from Jerry West in Memphis and an 11th-hour willingness to part with Shane Battier.
The Warriors also have a GM known for dice-rolling; just go back to last February's trade deadline when Chris Mullin was willing to take on Baron Davis in spite of a contract and health history that scared many teams off.
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and Artest considers Odom better than him...
Artest: No trade, no surprise[/u]
By Marc J. Spears and Adam Thompson
Denver Post Staff Writers
While the Nuggets and several other teams have interest, Pacers forward Ron Artest said Saturday he wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't traded this season, and he doesn't consider himself an elite player.
Artest said he disagreed with a recent statement by Pacers president Larry Bird that he is a top 12 player. He also said the Pacers want a top 12 player in return for him. Artest was an all-star and the defensive player of the year in 2004, but he describes himself as a top 30 player, going so far as to rattle off a long list of players he regarded higher, including Gilbert Arenas, Peja Stojakovic, Elton Brand and Lamar Odom.
"I'm not a top 12 guy. I'm a top 30 guy," Artest said.
"Don't get it mistaken. I can compete and dominate my competition. I'm not a top 12 guy. But I don't think they work as hard as I do. ...
"Hopefully, I can be there one day with hard work."
Artest is averaging 19.4 points and 4.9 rebounds this season, but has been suspended indefinitely after asking for a trade and hasn't played since Dec. 6. Indiana has been talking to several teams about a multiplayer deal.
"Melo is a good guy," Artest said. "He just plays ball. I've always had respect for him."
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I would like Artest in Minnesota, Garnett derserves it, I feel bad for him.
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It won't happen with Sczerbiaks big salary...
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I would hate to see him traded to the Kings...But that's what it looks like it's gunna be, Peja for Artest...
Lets take a look at the Kings roster if the trade goes down...
PG Mike Bibby...Jason Hart/Ronnie Price
SG Bonzi Wells...Kevin Martin
SF Ron Artest...Fransisco Garcia/Corliss Williamson
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim...Kenny Thomas/Jamal Sampson
C Brad Miller...Brian Skinner
Damn, actually looks pretty promising...The Kings could possibly finally be a good team again.
Here's how the Pacers would look:
PG Jamaal Tinsley...Anthony Johnson/Eddie Gill
SG Stephen Jackson...Sarunas Jasikevicius/Fred Jones
SF Peja Stojakavic...Danny Granger
PF Jermaine O'Neal...Austin Croshere/Jonathan Bender
C Jeff Foster...David Harrison/Scot Pollard
Still looks like one of the strongest teams in the east to me...In my opinion, the trade would probably hurt Indiana in the long run, thought their team would still be great with Peja on it...What do ya'll think?
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Ron Artest for Peja? That's a steal for Sac even if Artest goes crazy. Peja is way on the downside of his career, plus he's always been a one dimensional player who chokes in the playoffs. I've never been a fan of Peja's game.
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No deal -- Artest not heading to Kings
By TOM WITHERS, Associated Press Writer
January 24, 2006
CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Ron Artest trade to Sacramento is off.
The Pacers had reportedly agreed to deal the volatile forward to the Sacramento Kings for Peja Stojakovic, but Indiana coach Rick Carlisle said Tuesday night that it wasn't going to happen, after all.
"There is no trade right now and there may not be a trade," Carlisle said before Indiana played the Cavaliers in Cleveland. "There's nothing to talk about because there is no trade."
ESPN and The Indianapolis Star had reported earlier Tuesday that the deal was imminent, pending league approval.
"Anything involving speculation and 'what's up' can be saved for another time," Carlisle said. "If there is a trade at some point, you'll hear about it."
The deal would have ended a lengthy standoff between the Pacers and Artest, who was deactivated in December after requesting a trade and was suspended most of last season for his role in one of the worst brawls in U.S. sports history.
Sacramento officials and coach Rick Adelman would not comment before the team played at Philadelphia on Tuesday night, and Stojakovic was not at the arena with the team. He was listed on the active roster, however.
"He's got to be a little confused right now if they wanted to trade him," Kings forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim said of Stojakovic, who had traveled with the team but stayed behind at the hotel in Philadelphia.
Before the deal apparently broke down, Kings players were already talking about the trade as if it was a done deal.
"Peja will be missed," Kings forward Corliss Williamson said. "He's been in Sacramento for a lot of years, but life goes on in the NBA.
"We'll welcome Ron Artest with open arms and hope he'll be able to help us. You always hear about the situations he's been in and all the hype. Maybe this is the change he needs, to come into our system and flourish."
Instead, the Pacers are still looking for a place to send Artest.
AP Sports Writers Rob Maaddi in Philadelphia and Tom Withers in Cleveland contributed to this report.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqTqvLC3P6n7kPfNbagJxMM5nYcB?slug=ap-pacers-artest&prov=ap&type=lgns
i guess artest ain't headed to the Kingz after all....at least for now
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Good...LOL
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It's the Kings!
"Kings President Geoff Petrie said Wednesday he's bringing Indiana's Ron Artest to Sacramento to give his faltering team `a new identity than what we've seen so far this year,'" reports the SACRAMENTO BEE. "`He can play three or four positions on both ends of the floor. He has a physical presence that impacts the game. He can win form both sides of the floor,' Petrie said of Artest in a question-and-answer session with reporters at Arco Arena, where the Kings' trade of Peja Stojakovic to the Pacers was officially announced."
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Great trade for both the teams.
I'm kinda disappointed tho', i was hoping for Mitch to try to trade for him.
But no, i didn't want Odom or Bynum to be added in the trade too so fuck it.
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Great trade for both the teams.
I'm kinda disappointed tho', i was hoping for Mitch to try to trade for him.
But no, i didn't want Odom or Bynum to be added in the trade too so fuck it.
I'm very slightly disappointed, cuz I was thinking there was a one-in-a-thousand chance that Walsh would make the trade for George+Slava+1st Pick, which probably woulda been better for the Pacers than trading for the declining Peja (his contract is up this summer anyways)...Oh well, I'm very proud of our current roster, especilly with the addition of Turiaf, which really balances us out...
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This team will have three important additions in the next future: Medvedenko, Turiaf and McKie. I'm pretty optimistic.