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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 13, 2006, 05:00:24 PM
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Allah is the Creator of the Universe. Allah is the Arabic word for God.
Religion has always been one. Allah has sent Prophets and Messengers throughout time to remind us to worship Allah alone without partners, and to do righteous good deeds. Man, by nature is forgetful, and many people throughout time have fallen back into worshipping men and idols. Therefore, Allah has continually sent many prophets and messengers, known and unknown, to every nation on Earth, to remind us to worship Allah alone and to do righteous good deeds.
But why does Allah allow man to be forgetfull?
Allah allowed man the compacity to forget as a mercy to us. Imagine when you've lost a loved one, and you felt great psychological pain afterwards. It is Allah that has allowed us the ability to forget these traumatic pains, and move on with our lives.
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what would you recomend to someone like me who doesn't believe in any organized religion?
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what would you recomend to someone like me who doesn't believe in any organized religion?
I would recommend to you, that in order to put all of your affairs into order, that you need to worship only that which created you. That means prostrating yourself in humility to your Creator 5 times a day. Stand and ask for giudance from the Creator of the Universe, bow and glorify the Creator of the Universe, kneel and ask the Creator of the Universe for forgiveness, and prostrate and glorify the Creator of the Universe. After you've established that, the Creator will giude you from there.
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I mean, I'm cool with my parents and everything and I give them props, but there's no physical evidence whatsoever that any of the events major religions teach us happened. It seems like a lot of bullshit and it's been a major reason we've been killing eachother for our entire existence. I believe in God, but fuck man how much longer are we gonna argue about which gay ass little book is the correct one?
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth. I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days. If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force. I believe the biblical writers saw things that were mystifying to them and the only way they could explain them were by supernatural means. Its the same concept as if you went to an Eithiopian tribesman with an ipod. He would not understand such highly technological means and explain the situation with primitive wording and supernatural experiences. I believe that the end of the church is near and many people will not conform to tradition and realize the truth for what they are.
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth. I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days. If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force. I believe the biblical writers saw things that were mystifying to them and the only way they could explain them were by supernatural means. Its the same concept as if you went to an Eithiopian tribesman with an ipod. He would not understand such highly technological means and explain the situation with primitive wording and supernatural experiences. I believe that the end of the church is near and many people will not conform to tradition and realize the truth for what they are.
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth. I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days. If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force. I believe the biblical writers saw things that were mystifying to them and the only way they could explain them were by supernatural means. Its the same concept as if you went to an Eithiopian tribesman with an ipod. He would not understand such highly technological means and explain the situation with primitive wording and supernatural experiences. I believe that the end of the church is near and many people will not conform to tradition and realize the truth for what they are.
Excuse me, we are not talking about Christianity here, nor are we discussing the Bible. You need to learn to distinguish between the Bible and the Qu'ran.
Is it because of the fact that you've never read any of the Qu'ran that you failed to make that distinction? Or maybe it is because of cultural prejudices you continue to uphold, cultural prejudices that allow you to believe that since you've exposed the Bible for it's falsehood, then surely all other religious texts must also be false.
However, the Qu'ran contains no falsehood. The Qu'ran is compatible with Science. The Qu'ran is extraordinarily composed mathematically, with verses and words occuring in multiples of 19. No man could have imagined such a feet if it was not for that man being inspired by the Creator of the Universe. In addition to the Qu'ran's extraordinary mathematical composition, we find a large number of Qu'ranic facts which are proven or theorized by modern science. Here are a few examples of such advance scientific information.
1. The Earth is egg-shaped (10:24, 39:5, 79:30).
2. The Earth is not standing still, it moves constantly (27:88)
3. The sun is a source of light, while the moon reflects it (10:5, 25:61, 71:16)
4. The proportion of oxygen diminishes as we climb towards the sky (6:125)
5. The "Big Bang Theory" is confirmed (21:30)
6. The "Expansion of the Universe Theory" is confirmed (51:47)
7. The universe started out as a gaseous mass (41:11)
8. Evolution is a fact; within a given species, evolution is a divinely giuded process (21:30, 24:45, 32:7-9, 18:37, 15:28-29, 7:11, 71:13-14)
9. The man's seminal fluid decides the baby's gender (53:45-46)
Equally miraculous is the absence of any nonsense in the Qu'ran. This is particularly significant in view of the dominance of ignorance and superstition at the time of revelation of the Qu'ran.
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Allah allowed man the compacity to forget as a mercy to us. Imagine when you've lost a loved one, and you felt great psychological pain afterwards. It is Allah that has allowed us the ability to forget these traumatic pains, and move on with our lives.
Hey, I've got another question: Do you believe Allah is merciful? I know that this characteristic is attributed to Allah throughout the Qur'an, but do you think it's really possible?
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One thing's for sure, he'd be the first merciful dude to get, be and stay on top ;)
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Hey, I've got another question: Do you believe Allah is merciful? I know that this characteristic is attributed to Allah throughout the Qur'an, but do you think it's really possible?
It's not a belief, it's a fact, Allah is the most merciful. Without doing anything Allah is allowing your heart to beat. You deny Allah, yet Allah is still sustaining and maintaining you. He is certainly the most merciful.
32:9 ...And he gave you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brains; rarely are you thankful."
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Excuse me, we are not talking about Christianity here, nor are we discussing the Bible. You need to learn to distinguish between the Bible and the Qu'ran.
doesn't islam regard the bible or atleast the torah as a sacred text?
there is nonsense in the torah now...
The Qu'ran is extraordinarily composed mathematically, with verses and words occuring in multiples of 19.
and why is the number 19 special?
No man could have imagined such a feet if it was not for that man being inspired by the Creator of the Universe.
is that like "the agony of defeet"? a great song, fyi. seriously, i don't see what multiples of 19 proves. how is that different from other types of poetry or rhythm?
In addition to the Qu'ran's extraordinary mathematical composition, we find a large number of Qu'ranic facts which are proven or theorized by modern science.
the vedic texts also gets some things right, the creation/expansion of the universe is only now explained by still theoretical string theory explanations. it also gets some things wrong however. a true man of science would have to peruse the qu'ran and state definitively.
are you a true man of science?
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth. I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days. If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force. I believe the biblical writers saw things that were mystifying to them and the only way they could explain them were by supernatural means. Its the same concept as if you went to an Eithiopian tribesman with an ipod. He would not understand such highly technological means and explain the situation with primitive wording and supernatural experiences. I believe that the end of the church is near and many people will not conform to tradition and realize the truth for what they are.
Excuse me, we are not talking about Christianity here, nor are we discussing the Bible. You need to learn to distinguish between the Bible and the Qu'ran.
Is it because of the fact that you've never read any of the Qu'ran that you failed to make that distinction? Or maybe it is because of cultural prejudices you continue to uphold, cultural prejudices that allow you to believe that since you've exposed the Bible for it's falsehood, then surely all other religious texts must also be false.
However, the Qu'ran contains no falsehood. The Qu'ran is compatible with Science. The Qu'ran is extraordinarily composed mathematically, with verses and words occuring in multiples of 19. No man could have imagined such a feet if it was not for that man being inspired by the Creator of the Universe. In addition to the Qu'ran's extraordinary mathematical composition, we find a large number of Qu'ranic facts which are proven or theorized by modern science. Here are a few examples of such advance scientific information.
1. The Earth is egg-shaped (10:24, 39:5, 79:30).
2. The Earth is not standing still, it moves constantly (27:88)
3. The sun is a source of light, while the moon reflects it (10:5, 25:61, 71:16)
4. The proportion of oxygen diminishes as we climb towards the sky (6:125)
5. The "Big Bang Theory" is confirmed (21:30)
6. The "Expansion of the Universe Theory" is confirmed (51:47)
7. The universe started out as a gaseous mass (41:11)
8. Evolution is a fact; within a given species, evolution is a divinely giuded process (21:30, 24:45, 32:7-9, 18:37, 15:28-29, 7:11, 71:13-14)
9. The man's seminal fluid decides the baby's gender (53:45-46)
Equally miraculous is the absence of any nonsense in the Qu'ran. This is particularly significant in view of the dominance of ignorance and superstition at the time of revelation of the Qu'ran.
Hey Infinite; just wonering; what do you say to this dispute? (It's by Dr. Abdul-Kalaam Pangloss)
"The first Qur'anic verse cited as evidence of the Big Bang is Soorat al-Anbiyyaa 21:30, the relevant portion of which goes as follows:
This reads awa lam yaraa allatheena kafaroo anna as-Samaawaati wa al-Arda kaanataa ratqan fa-fataqnaahumaa. How one translates those words can make or break the polemic. The opening part of the verse asks "Do not those who disbelieve see that..." and then we get to what it is that the disbelievers have not seen (id est, what should have been obvious to them - interestingly hinting that the original intention of the author was to convey something that was taken as common sense at the time the text was uttered). A step-by-step analysis of the relevant remaining Arabic is needed here. Have not the disbelievers seen that as-Samaawaati ("the heavens") wa ("and") al-Arda ("the earth") kaanataa ("were") ratqan ("sewn [together]") fa ("then") fataqnaahumaa ("we ripped them").
What this is a reference to is not clear (though it does seem to be quite similar to numerous other creation myths that have the heavens and earth being separated by various deities, such as Kronos, Vishnu, Pan Gu, et cetera). Nonetheless, proponents of the scientific-hermeneutic approach sometimes offer a translation along the lines of "the heavens and the earth were once one piece, and then we separated them out from it". Of course, this is not exactly what the text says. The polemic attempts to correlate the ripping/separating with the Big Bang, but the problem with such exegesis is that if we accept that interpretation, then the verse is clearly stating that the earth was in existence before the Big Bang, which would be a gross error. The actual fact of the matter is that the earth did not come into existence until billions of years after the Big Bang."
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Did Mohammed fuck Allah in the ass?
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth.
lol! science is a sham. the one thing that a scientist should know is that every couple hundred years a new scientist comes along and says "stop, you are looking at the world wrong. here's what's relly going on".
newtonian dynamics -> relativity + quantum mechanics (which don't always agree) -> string theory??? theories on gravitation are still being questioned.
science is knowing that you are in a jar and trying to describe the jar. it can't answer "why the jar is there. even theories like string theory and the big bang theory simply say, "there's a bigger jar, something happened and this created the smaller jar that is our universe..."" still unable to explain what the jars are, why they exist...etc.
science is false knowledge.
I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days.
this is a very weak argument. even in the bible, supernatural stuff isn't happening all the time to everyone. the bible only tracks the "special" people that interesting things happen to. if i turned on the news they aren't going to cover what you or i did today. not if nothing interesting happened. you need to check all across the globe and ascertain what interesting happened anywhere. maybe supernatural shit is going down in tibet right now...and if it were, would that convince you?
If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.
supernatural occurances probably occur everyday. do you look around for ghosts? do you even know how or where to look for a ghost and how to see them? what is a ghost in your estimation???
I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force.
what does that mean? if you are saying humans were created by, or human development was influenced by, some alien that was human-like...fine. but that doesn't answer the question of why things exist...a question which many religions try to answer. some (judiasm, christianity) do a very poor job of it.
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Did Mohammed fuck Allah in the ass?
Contrary to conventional wisdom, Mohammed was actually a receiver.
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Allah / religion :monkey_piss:
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Nibs... First of all, Muslims believe that the Torah and the Bible were both devinely inpired, however the texts are no longer in their origional form, and parts of those texts have been corrupted. Moses and Jesus are both Prophets in Islam. However, it is a fact that the languages Moses and Jesus spoke in are no longer in existence today, and Constantine made a political desicion around 3 centuries after the passing of Jesus as to which books would be in the Bible at the Council of Nicea. Much of the current Torah and Bible as we have it today has been influenced by politics.
However, the Qu'ran is much different. Arabic is still one of the most viable laungages in existence today. The Qu'ran was revealed in a rhythmic, rhyme style, that made it inherently easy to remember. Many of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad memorized it as it was being revealed, and today you will find a few Muslims in almost every mosque in the world who have the whole Qu'ran memorized. So if a single syllable were to be changed or spoken out of place, there would be a great uproar, and it would immediately be corrected.
As for the Mathematical Miracle of the Qu'ran, it is an extensive study, but here are some basic points.
1.There are 114 chapters in the Quran, or 19 x 6.
2.The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.
3.Then you add the 30 different numbers which are mentioned in the Quran's text (i.e. one God, two brothers, etc.), the total is 162146 or 19 x 8534.
4.The first statement in Quran, "In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" consists of 19 Arabic letters. Known as the `Basmalah', it prefaces every chapter except Chapter 9.
5.Though missing from Chapter 9, exactly 19 chapters later the Basmalah occurs twice. Chapter 27 has this statement at its beginning and in verse 30. This makes the total number of times the Basmalah occurs in the Quran 114, or 19 x 6.
6.Since there are 19 chapters between the missing Basmalah and the extra one, the sum of those chapter numbers is a multiple of 19. (The sum of any 19 consecutive numbers is a multiple of 19.) But the total, 342, is also the exact number of words between the two occurrences of the Basmalah in Chapter 27. This number, 342, is 19 x 18.
7.Every word in the Basmalah occurs throughout the Quran a number of times which is a multiple of 19.
8.The very first revelation that was given to the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, came as 19 words.
9.The total number of letters making up the 19 words of the first revelation is 76, 19 x 4.
10.Though they were the first revelation, these verses are placed at the beginning of Chapter 96. This chapter is atop the last 19 chapters.
11.Chapter 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, or 19 x 16.
12.The last chapter revealed (Chapter 110) has 19 words, and its first verse is 19 letters.
13.God's name in Arabic, `Allah,' occurs in the Quran 2698 times, or 19 x 142.
14.If you add the numbers of the verses where `Allah' occurs, the total is 118123 or 19 x 6217.
15.The main message in the Quran is that there is only One God. The number of times that the word `one' is used to refer to this concept of One God is 19.
16.The word `Quran' occurs in 38 different chapters, or 19 x 2.
17.The total number of times `the Quran' is mentioned is 57, 19 x 3.
18.Within the 114 chapters of the Quran, 29 of them begin with the Quranic initials discussed earlier. Intermixed between the first initialed chapter (Chapter 2) and the last initialed chapter (Chapter 68) are 38 non-initialed chapters, or 19 x 2.
19.In that same group of chapters, from Chapter 2 to Chapter 68, there are 19 alternating sets of initialed and non-initialed chapters.
20.The total number of verses making up this group of chapters is 5263, 19 x 277.
21.Within this group of chapters there are also 2641 occurrences of the word `Allah', or 19 x 139. Of course, that leaves 57, or 19 x 3, occurrences of that word outside of this group.
22.If you add the chapter and verse numbers of the 57 occurrences of `Allah' outside the initialed section, the total is 2432 or 19 x 128.
23.There are a large number of discoveries having to do with the numbers of the chapters and verses. Many of them are very complex and interrelated. Here is a simple one to give you a feel for these discoveries: If you add the numbers assigned to all the chapters, plus the numbers assigned to all of the verses, plus the number of verses in the Quran, the total is 346199 or 19 x 19 x 959.
24.If you look at the initialed chapters separately and add the chapter numbers, verse numbers and number of verses, the total is 190133, 19 x 10007. Of course it follows that the total for the uninitialed chapters, 156066, is also divisible by 19.
...you also asked "why 19?"
The number 19 is unique in possessing the following collective mathematical properties, for example:
1-It is a prime number, devisable only by itself and one.
2-It encompasses the first numeral (1) and the last numeral (9), as if to proclaim God's attribute in 57:3 as the "Alpha and the Omega".
3-Its numerals look the same in all languages in the world. The numerals (1) and (9) look very much the same in, for example Arabic and English.
4-19 is the sum of the first powers of 9 and 10, and the difference between the second powers of 10 and 9.
5-Number 19 is the numerical value of the word "ONE" in all the scriptural languages, Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic. The number 19, therefore proclaims the First commandment in all the scriptures: that there is only ONE GOD.
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^^ lol. you started to make sence until you began with the numbers. I got to read that part a couple more times. But you did bring up some good points. Although my understanding was that the fallowers of Christ chose the books of the bible, not Constatine.
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^^ lol. you started to make sence until you began with the numbers. I got to read that part a couple more times. But you did bring up some good points. Although my understanding was that the fallowers of Christ chose the books of the bible, not Constatine.
it was constantine. i believe it was in ad 383. the history channel has a documentary on some of the books that were left out and some discussion as to why. various christian sects often would study these non-mainstream texts...etc
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i find most of that numerology impressive. i'm not 100% sold on the 19 itself, but it's clearly important.
some minor concerns:
The number 19 is unique in possessing the following collective mathematical properties, for example:
2-It encompasses the first numeral (1) and the last numeral (9), as if to proclaim God's attribute in 57:3 as the "Alpha and the Omega".
imho, there is nothing special about this. it's a coincidence that you are using base 10 that creates that. if this were base 8 then 1 and 7 would be your alpha and omega.
4-19 is the sum of the first powers of 9 and 10, and the difference between the second powers of 10 and 9.
this isn't really special either. if you take any two consecutive numbers, the difference between the second power is guaranteed to be the sum of the first power. it's a fundamental trait of existence and of sets. 5 + 6 = 36 - 25. 8 + 9 = 81 - 64.
and that doesn't explain why anyone should care about 10 or 9 any. this is about 19. those are all of my concerns. the rest is pretty impressive.
5-Number 19 is the numerical value of the word "ONE" in all the scriptural languages, Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic. The number 19, therefore proclaims the First commandment in all the scriptures: that there is only ONE GOD.
the numerology aspect is interesting. all it really is intended to imply (imho) is that the qu'ran would have been hard to fake. i'd have been more impressed if 19 were the numerical value of god and not one, but that's a personal preference.
other than language, which varies widely, developing a sound number system is difficult and also important for trade, that is why numeric symbols and numbers were shared/borrowed/inherited across cultures.
there is also some numerology in the torah in hebrew...i wonder if the math for certain things are the same... [besides "one" ofcourse ;)]
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4-19 is the sum of the first powers of 9 and 10, and the difference between the second powers of 10 and 9.
this isn't really special either. if you take any two consecutive numbers, the difference between the second power is guaranteed to be the sum of the first power. it's a fundamental trait of existence and of sets. 5 + 6 = 36 - 25. 8 + 9 = 81 - 64.
and that doesn't explain why anyone should care about 10 or 9 any. this is about 19. those are all of my concerns. the rest is pretty impressive.
10+9 = 19 :o
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this isn't really special either. if you take any two consecutive numbers, the difference between the second power is guaranteed to be the sum of the first power. it's a fundamental trait of existence and of sets. 5 + 6 = 36 - 25. 8 + 9 = 81 - 64.
and that doesn't explain why anyone should care about 10 or 9 any. this is about 19. those are all of my concerns. the rest is pretty impressive.
10+9 = 19 :o
yes, and 100 - 81 = 19
the question is, why are "9" and "10" significant such that their sum and second power difference are interesting?
theorum:
for every odd number x, there is a number y such that:
y^1 + (y +1)^1 = (y + 1)^2 - y^2
all we've proven is that 19 is odd.
y = (x - 1) / 2;
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LOL... trying to make it seem shocking that 10 and 9 add to 19... I was being sarcastic, hence the smiley... although I can undestand why it's not so obvious on the internet
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There is no proof of any truth to any religion. I am one of those people that believe in science and truth. I see things for what they are. However, I do not believe we just came here from single-celled organisms. I have been digging deep into studying all types of religion and I just do not believe that supernatural events occurred in the biblical days. If the supernatural was a real thing than why do we not see ghosts and supernatural occurances everyday.I believe the creator is a highly technological man that is a real person and not some mystical force. I believe the biblical writers saw things that were mystifying to them and the only way they could explain them were by supernatural means. Its the same concept as if you went to an Eithiopian tribesman with an ipod. He would not understand such highly technological means and explain the situation with primitive wording and supernatural experiences. I believe that the end of the church is near and many people will not conform to tradition and realize the truth for what they are.
ya know...sometimes..ya gotta just faith then science and facts... what if those fail...i don't believe science and facts perfect at all. many science and truth can be deciving.
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LOL... trying to make it seem shocking that 10 and 9 add to 19... I was being sarcastic, hence the smiley... although I can undestand why it's not so obvious on the internet
lol! i wasn't sure which way you were going with the smiley.
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Qu'ran verse 74:30 says...
"Over it is nineteen."
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Nibs, the major concept of the whole Qu'ran is that Allah is one. The word for "one" in Arabic is "wahid", this word occurs 19 times in the Qu'ran.
This is the truth of this life, that God is one. If you understand this truth, and submit yourself to God, then you are a Muslim. Nibs, God (Allah) chose your time of birth and he will again choose when you die, it may be today, it may be tomarrow,do not die in the state of disbelief. Testify to this: "LA ELAAHA ELLA HOO", this statement means that there is no other God besides him. This statement occurs in 19 Chapters of the Qu'ran.
Since you seem to be sincerely interested in the mathematical miracle of the Qu'ran, I will send you a Qu'ran that comes with the biult in physical evidence throughout. This is an exceptional Qu'ran, because in the appendix and in the footnotes throughout this Qu'ran the mathematical miracle is explained to you, along with many other facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Qu'ran is far beyond human capatability, and that it represents the highest form of giudance to mankind.
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Yahweh is Elohim.
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I will send you a Qu'ran that comes with the biult in physical evidence throughout. This is an exceptional Qu'ran, because in the appendix and in the footnotes throughout this Qu'ran the mathematical miracle is explained to you, along with many other facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Qu'ran is far beyond human capatability, and that it represents the highest form of giudance to mankind.
How can I get one of those? (I'm not making fun of you)
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Allah is Great.