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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Rebel on January 28, 2006, 11:20:26 PM
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Despite his craving for a slice of the rap pie, President Carter has resisted his urges as an emcee, and is instead ready to put all his efforts behind former rival, Nas’ new album, in a joint distribution deal with Sony.
Speaking on what the icebreaker was that brought the two former rivals together, Jay said, “That was Mark Pitts, who used to manage Biggie and now manages Nas. He arranged that meeting. He’s a friend of mine and said, ‘Will you sit down with Nas?’ I said, ‘Yeah, no problem, of course’, because… there’s always been a respect thing. I’m sure he probably went to Nas and said, ‘Would you sit down with Jay?’ He probably Don King’d the whole thing. I didn’t even ask him that,” he laughed.
So, with all the talk of Nas’ new album, can fans expect a Hov/Esco collabo? “We gonna be in the studio working, so we’ll see what happens,” he said coyly. “I just don’t want to do nothing forced. I been through that before with Best of Both Worlds [his two collaboration albums with R. Kelly]… But I’m telling you, we’re gonna be in the studio and I’m sure the vibe is going to be right. If I had to place some money on it – and I’m a betting man – I would bet on it.”
According to President Carter, producers Just Blaze and Kanye West will get first shot at Nas’ album, before Jigga takes it outside the camp to beatmakers like Timbaland, Dr Dre and DJ Premier.
”I’mma give everybody a shot, new producers. I’m accustomed to working with new dudes who got that sound. Hopefully we’ll find a new Kanye, a new Just. But I’m going to Just and Kanye first,” Hov said.
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shit i got goosebumps just reading that shit
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shit i got goosebumps just reading that shit
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how about using dj premier over kanye west ;)
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This deal doesnt look that bad a lil bit weird but the trade doesnt look bad at all..
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pete rock + nas need reuniting maaaaaayneeeee
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pete rock + nas need reuniting maaaaaayneeeee
Yeah, no doubt, I think they fell out big time over something though, so can't see it happening.
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tite news!
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sounds real good, lets see what actaually happens though.
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Just Blaze...that I can definitely dig (I'll listen to almost anything he produces). Kanye, I can definitely see as well (certainly, for a lead single). But I dunno about Dre...that was one of the most ill-advised partnerships I can recall, and pretty much nothing hot came out of their collaboration (except MAYBE "Phone Tap" on The Firm's album). Not to mention the fact that Dre is doing so much shit right now that there's pretty much no chance the album will be able to get some Dre beats and make the Fall release date at the same time.
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great news.
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Looks like Jay-Z is executive producing Nas' album. What the HELL is Nas thinking?
I never saw this coming.
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Looks like Jay-Z is executive producing Nas' album. What the HELL is Nas thinking?
I never saw this coming.
That's what you could've expected from the moment we heard rumours of Nas signing with Def Jam. No moosebumps for me there; I believe the album will be a lot better if the variety's being kept to a minimum. Fuck hearing Nas over a Just Blaze beat. Save that shit for random rappers like Game. I believe Nas would be much better off with an album that just sticks to once concept, but I just can't see it happening on Def Jam.
Is this slated for a fall release? That's a long wait man.
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Definitely no goosebumps hear either. If you listen to Jay, he's stated that he is basically Exec. Prod. the album which I don't like. Jay has one album under his belt that i can listen to the whole way through, and that's reasonable doubt which was from 10 years ago.
I hate the idea that Nas is supposedly going to get all these super producers for his album. What happened to the article in Scratch? Both Nas and Primo had seperate interviews, and all you heard from both was, at the time, only Primo was on board to not only Exec the album but produce the majority of it as well (leaving a few songs to outsiderss, which i'm def cool with).
This news makes it sound like this is gonna be Nas' version of The Black Album. I'm REALLY let down if this is the case.
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Sounds good to me
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^^What wrong with the Black Album? My second favourite Jay album...
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Sounds good to me
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^^What wrong with the Black Album? My second favourite Jay album...
Uh, we already had the Black Album - I prefer innovation and creativity rather than rehashing the same old shit thats already been done. (and the black album is my 2nd fav. Jay album too).
Jay's goal is to make this album as commercially viable as possible. Jay ain't looking for Nas to do another Unauthorized Biography of Rakim joint, especially to be released as a single. (Which UBR was the 4th single from SD).
I hope Jay lets Nas be himself. It's fucked that Nas has to answer to Jay on all this.
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Just because Nas is signed to Def Jam doesn't mean that all of sudden he's gonna put out the greatest album ever. Nas already had access to great producers and still put out mediocre albums. And another thing, Memphis Bleek is Jay Z's boy, he's signed to Def Jam and he still can't put out a hot album.
It's possible Nas could put out a hot album, but if you go by his track record their is no reason at all to be excited.
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I'm not holding my breath on this either. If it sounds like a Jay-Z album, I'm not spending my money on it.
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good news, xcited 2 see what develops
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sounds good to me as well. i dont think nas will let jay z push him around to much. hopefully therell only be one track wit each of those other producers and nas saves a good portion for primo. black album was tight but not really nas' style. stilll excited for the album though cuz cmon its nas.
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Just Blaze...that I can definitely dig (I'll listen to almost anything he produces). Kanye, I can definitely see as well (certainly, for a lead single). But I dunno about Dre...that was one of the most ill-advised partnerships I can recall, and pretty much nothing hot came out of their collaboration (except MAYBE "Phone Tap" on The Firm's album). Not to mention the fact that Dre is doing so much shit right now that there's pretty much no chance the album will be able to get some Dre beats and make the Fall release date at the same time.
^I agree. Just Blaze can defnitely bring heat for nas...I am also cool wit kanye...I'm pretty sure he will come thru...but when jayz stated dre/timbaland...I starting thinking of black album...hence a possible hint of a commercial direction...I really hope this is not the case. Also it does sounds like the whole premo/nas album is being thrown at the window.
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at first i thought this sounded pretty dope, then i remembered about nas and primo. that album would be scorching, and it would be better than anything anyone like dre could produce (dres great but hes much better suited for west coast).
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I still dont like the idea of Nas bein signed to Jay-Z...but this is great news
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Just Blaze, Kanye West, Timbaland, Dr.Dre and DJ Premier.
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Salaam Remi, Chucky Thompson and L.E.S..
Uhh, hard choice. ::)
Jay knows how to pick dope beats, something that seems to be a problem for Nas, he's pretty much hit or miss, 50/50.
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Just Blaze, Kanye West, Timbaland, Dr.Dre and DJ Premier.
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Salaam Remi, Chucky Thompson and L.E.S..
Uhh, hard choice. ::)
Jay knows how to pick dope beats, something that seems to be a problem for Nas, he's pretty much hit or miss, 50/50.
I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either. People are forgetting that Jay also mentioned Pharrell earlier, which is another collab that i don't want to see on a Nas album. Just and Kanye suit his style well, and Premo goes without saying.
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Just Blaze, Kanye West, Timbaland, Dr.Dre and DJ Premier.
or
Salaam Remi, Chucky Thompson and L.E.S..
Uhh, hard choice. ::)
Jay knows how to pick dope beats, something that seems to be a problem for Nas, he's pretty much hit or miss, 50/50.
I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either. People are forgetting that Jay also mentioned Pharrell earlier, which is another collab that i don't want to see on a Nas album. Just and Kanye suit his style well, and Premo goes without saying.
Why do people think Nas wouldn't sound good with Dre? Nas has only rapped on 3 Dre Beats and 2 of them were dope as hell[Phone Tap & Firm Fiasco] As far as people like Timbaland and Pharrell, Jay just wants Nas' record to sell. His last couple of records didn't sell shit.
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Timbo aint good as before though, and im sure Pharell will messed up the Vibe of the Album, I was anticipating a REAL Hiphop record but it seems like its going to be another commercial FLOP
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I wanna see 10 tracks, all Primo :)
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Nas is a sucker.
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Just Blaze, Kanye West, Timbaland, Dr.Dre and DJ Premier.
or
Salaam Remi, Chucky Thompson and L.E.S..
Uhh, hard choice. ::)
Jay knows how to pick dope beats, something that seems to be a problem for Nas, he's pretty much hit or miss, 50/50.
I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either. People are forgetting that Jay also mentioned Pharrell earlier, which is another collab that i don't want to see on a Nas album. Just and Kanye suit his style well, and Premo goes without saying.
Why do people think Nas wouldn't sound good with Dre? Nas has only rapped on 3 Dre Beats and 2 of them were dope as hell[Phone Tap & Firm Fiasco] As far as people like Timbaland and Pharrell, Jay just wants Nas' record to sell. His last couple of records didn't sell shit.
Do you remember "Nas is Coming"? Thats one of the only tracks i skip IWW. The chorus was corny as hell, and the beat was pretty boring. I can't think of too many other instances that i purposely skip Dre beats, but i just don't like their chemistry.
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But I dunno about Dre...that was one of the most ill-advised partnerships I can recall, and pretty much nothing hot came out of their collaboration (except MAYBE "Phone Tap" on The Firm's album). Not to mention the fact that Dre is doing so much shit right now that there's pretty much no chance the album will be able to get some Dre beats and make the Fall release date at the same time.
What are you talkin about? nas sounds great over dre beats....Nas Is Coming is one of my favorite nas tracks of all time...phone tap was dope...I would love to hear dre do another beat or two for nas...and i dont doubt that the beats will be done soon....dre is doing a lot but hes doing stuff for everyone else instead of his own shit lol...I think the dre/nas collabo will happen and it will be sick
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What are you talkin about? nas sounds great over dre beats....Nas Is Coming is one of my favorite nas tracks of all time...phone tap was dope...I would love to hear dre do another beat or two for nas...and i dont doubt that the beats will be done soon....dre is doing a lot but hes doing stuff for everyone else instead of his own shit lol...I think the dre/nas collabo will happen and it will be sick
I don't see how you can say that, because "Nas Is Coming" was one of the worst tracks on "It Was Written", IMHO. "Phone Tap" is a good beat, but Nas still sounded out of place on it. About the only Nas/Dre collabo I thought turned out decently was "East Coast-West Coast Killas" from "The Aftermath" compilation. Nas has taken several stabs at G-Funk throughout his career (most recently "Smokin" from "Stillmatic"), and it just sounds wrong to me - Nas' vocal tone and wordplay sound much better over jazzy rather than funky production.
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Nas is selling fine, every album except The Lost Tapes has gone platnium. He can excutive produce his own albums, they will be critically praised (for the most part) and they will sell. At this point in his career he doesn't need someone else telling him how to make his own albums.
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Gotta wait and see for the final project before really minding yourself on something precise
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I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either. People are forgetting that Jay also mentioned Pharrell earlier, which is another collab that i don't want to see on a Nas album. Just and Kanye suit his style well, and Premo goes without saying.
Do you remember "Nas is Coming"? Thats one of the only tracks i skip IWW. The chorus was corny as hell, and the beat was pretty boring. I can't think of too many other instances that i purposely skip Dre beats, but i just don't like their chemistry.
It's not comparable, it's nearly a decade ago, they both came a long way, they have different styles now than they had back then, and the ones they did together was pretty dope, even though it didn't seem like they both gave their 100% to the project.
Thinking that Premier would do a whole Nas album alone is a little gullible, that won't happen unless your name is "Guru".
Kanye fits Nas fine, and so should Just Blaze, as long as he brings his serious beats, and not the wannabe Timbaland club tracks.
Timbo aint good as before though, and im sure Pharell will messed up the Vibe of the Album
You crazy, Timbaland only brings out the real heaters for the big artists and labelmates, Jay-Z always get good beats from Timmy.
Neptunes could mess it up though, they fucked up the flow on Jay-Z albums before. >:(
Nas is selling fine, every album except The Lost Tapes has gone platnium. He can excutive produce his own albums, they will be critically praised (for the most part) and they will sell. At this point in his career he doesn't need someone else telling him how to make his own albums.
God Son & Street Disc. wouldn't have gone platinum if they weren't double albums though..
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I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either. People are forgetting that Jay also mentioned Pharrell earlier, which is another collab that i don't want to see on a Nas album. Just and Kanye suit his style well, and Premo goes without saying.
Do you remember "Nas is Coming"? Thats one of the only tracks i skip IWW. The chorus was corny as hell, and the beat was pretty boring. I can't think of too many other instances that i purposely skip Dre beats, but i just don't like their chemistry.
It's not comparable, it's nearly a decade ago, they both came a long way, they have different styles now than they had back then, and the ones they did together was pretty dope, even though it didn't seem like they both gave their 100% to the project.
Thinking that Premier would do a whole Nas album alone is a little gullible, that won't happen unless your name is "Guru".
Kanye fits Nas fine, and so should Just Blaze, as long as he brings his serious beats, and not the wannabe Timbaland club tracks.
Timbo aint good as before though, and im sure Pharell will messed up the Vibe of the Album
You crazy, Timbaland only brings out the real heaters for the big artists and labelmates, Jay-Z always get good beats from Timmy.
Neptunes could mess it up though, they fucked up the flow on Jay-Z albums before. >:(
Nas is selling fine, every album except The Lost Tapes has gone platnium. He can excutive produce his own albums, they will be critically praised (for the most part) and they will sell. At this point in his career he doesn't need someone else telling him how to make his own albums.
God Son & Street Disc. wouldn't have gone platinum if they weren't double albums though..
gods son wasnt a double disc. Having a bonus disc with 3 songs on it doesnt make it a double LP. But i could of sworn even as a double LP streets disc. didnt go plat
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gods son wasnt a double disc. Having a bonus disc with 3 songs on it doesnt make it a double LP. But i could of sworn even as a double LP streets disc. didnt go plat
I think RIAA counts is as 2CD though, cuz that's what it is, wether it's 3 or 12 tracks.
Streets Disciple was certified platinum almost exactly 1 year after its release, certified late november 05.
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It's not comparable, it's nearly a decade ago, they both came a long way, they have different styles now than they had back then, and the ones they did together was pretty dope, even though it didn't seem like they both gave their 100% to the project.
Thinking that Premier would do a whole Nas album alone is a little gullible, that won't happen unless your name is "Guru".
Kanye fits Nas fine, and so should Just Blaze, as long as he brings his serious beats, and not the wannabe Timbaland club tracks.
It's not comparable? Its Dre and Nas doing an actual collabo together - what the fuck are we supposed to base it on? Their potential? Yeah, they have potential, but look at their EXISTING track record. I can name 20 Classic Nas tracks, none of which have Dr. Dre productions behind them. It wasn't like the collab was unlistenable, but I'd take Nas over production from L.E.S., Salaam Remi, Premier, Large Pro...i could keep going.
Would you not say that Nas and Pete Rock was a dope combination? By your standards you can't make the connection because they worked together over 10 years ago.
As far as Primo and Nas - you can throw out that we are gullible, but both Nas & Primo said it was happening. Of course take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to these guys, but i never once heard from Nas that Jay was Exec Producer of his album either. It's not unrealistic at all that Preme was going to do the majority of the tracks. He recently dropped what, nine beats on Big Shug's album?
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It's not comparable? Its Dre and Nas doing an actual collabo together - what the fuck are we supposed to base it on? Their potential? Yeah, they have potential, but look at their EXISTING track record. I can name 20 Classic Nas tracks, none of which have Dr. Dre productions behind them. It wasn't like the collab was unlistenable, but I'd take Nas over production from L.E.S., Salaam Remi, Premier, Large Pro...i could keep going.
Would you not say that Nas and Pete Rock was a dope combination? By your standards you can't make the connection because they worked together over 10 years ago.
As far as Primo and Nas - you can throw out that we are gullible, but both Nas & Primo said it was happening. Of course take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to these guys, but i never once heard from Nas that Jay was Exec Producer of his album either. It's not unrealistic at all that Preme was going to do the majority of the tracks. He recently dropped what, nine beats on Big Shug's album?
Like I said, it's not comparable because Dre totally changed his style up, and you can't go wrong with the #1 producer in rap with a top 5 rapper.
Nas seemed to be heading into a deadend street, going from the strong Stillmatic, to the decent God Son, and then with the lackluster SD, I say get rid of Salaam Remi, LES & the Chucky fella!
Having Premier do a whole Nas album, if unlikely, means that the album would end up sounding like too much of the same, like the latest GangStarr album, it's good to add some variety in there, even though I hope he skips the Neptunes idea, and Timbaland/Nas is also a combination that have yet to convince me..
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I think RIAA counts is as 2CD though, cuz that's what it is, wether it's 3 or 12 tracks.
Streets Disciple was certified platinum almost exactly 1 year after its release, certified late november 05.
I'm actually not 100% positive. "All Eyez On Me", "Life After Death", and most recently "Speakerboxx/The Love Below" all got certified Diamond, even though all of those albums only sold 5 million copies apiece. But then again, Eminem's"Encore" has been certified 4x Platinum, yet according to Soundscan, it did actually sell close to 4 million copies - and it had a bonus disc with a few extra tracks.
"Street's Disciple" was a slight commercial dissapointment, I remember hearing that. I believe I heard mention in an article that it sound about 650,000 copies.
Like I said, it's not comparable because Dre totally changed his style up, and you can't go wrong with the #1 producer in rap with a top 5 rapper.
Nas seemed to be heading into a deadend street, going from the strong Stillmatic, to the decent God Son, and then with the lackluster SD, I say get rid of Salaam Remi, LES & the Chucky fella!
L.E.S. did produce "Life's A Bitch", which is one of my personal favorite Nas songs ever, but I'll admit that none of those cats seemed capalbe of creating anything I could call "dope" on "Street's Disciple". It was nice of Nas to bring some close friends on board, but I would have preferred some A-listers myself.
As far as Dre goes, I won't knock it until I hear it. Even so, it's still very hard for me to picture Dre and Nas having any real chemistry; I can't imagine Nas sounding good over the "Westside Story" beat, for example. Generally speaking, Dre has produced tracks for party-oriented rappers since "The Chronic" days, and I just think Nas is a bit too hardcore for anything Dre does. Same for Timbo, and the Neptunes...even harder for me to imagine.
Having Premier do a whole Nas album, if unlikely, means that the album would end up sounding like too much of the same, like the latest GangStarr album, it's good to add some variety in there, even though I hope he skips the Neptunes idea, and Timbaland/Nas is also a combination that have yet to convince me.
Well, there's a flipside...if the producer is very capable and knows how to keep the music diverse and interesting, it results in 100% consistency from start to finish, and that's how "Doggystyle" and Eminem's first albums turned out so perfectly. Generally speaking, I prefer variety, but hey, the "dynamic duo" shit has been a tradition of hip-hop culture for years now, and personally, I can see a Nas/Primo collab working, provided Primo gives Nas the same kind of devotion he usually shows Guru on most GangStarr records ("Ownerz" was dissappointing, I'll give you that, but GangStarr otherwise has an almost perfect track record).
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Timbaland better give Nas a "Put You On The Game" type track. Not some oogie boogie boogie type shit. Nas ain't like that.
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Just Blaze, Kanye West, Timbaland, Dr.Dre and DJ Premier.
or
Salaam Remi, Chucky Thompson and L.E.S..
Uhh, hard choice. ::)
Jay knows how to pick dope beats, something that seems to be a problem for Nas, he's pretty much hit or miss, 50/50.
I'm not really looking for a Dre beat. They don't mesh too well. And i also don't think Nas would come off well with Timbaland either.
Nas sounded dope over "Nas Is Coming", "Phone Tap" and "East Coast/West Coast Killa", and they were all Dre beats and Nas sounded good over Timbo beats too ("You Won't See Me Tonight" and "You Owe Me"), but orcoursse i would love to hear a new Nas album with only Premo beats on it though...
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gods son wasnt a double disc. Having a bonus disc with 3 songs on it doesnt make it a double LP. But i could of sworn even as a double LP streets disc. didnt go plat
I think RIAA counts is as 2CD though, cuz that's what it is, wether it's 3 or 12 tracks.
Streets Disciple was certified platinum almost exactly 1 year after its release, certified late november 05.
im like 99% positive gods son isnt considered a double disc. I dont even think all the copies of gods son have the bonus disk.
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Cool...now maybe Nas will put out a CD that's good some good production on it
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This is such a good opportunity... I really hope this comes out well man..
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Dre/Nas and Timbo/Nas isn't going to work at all, the styles just won't work at all. Just as for instance, Nas over a J Dilla or Hi-Tek beat wouldn't work either, even though they are extremely dope producers. Having Dre and Timbo along the other producers mentioned is just going to result in a choppy album with no consistant direction, and thus one that I certainly won't be purchasing.
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Immy only problem with this is Timbo
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dont you people think that producers would make a beat suited for an artist ? nas wont be spittin over a jay-z beat... he'll be spittin over a timbo beat designed for nas, a dre beat customised, or even a quik beat... and damn quik and nas would just flow.
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dont you people think that producers would make a beat suited for an artist ? nas wont be spittin over a jay-z beat... he'll be spittin over a timbo beat designed for nas, a dre beat customised, or even a quik beat... and damn quik and nas would just flow.
exactly. Dre & Timbo are pretty versatile...
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DJ Quik is gonna be on this too 8)
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dont you people think that producers would make a beat suited for an artist ? nas wont be spittin over a jay-z beat... he'll be spittin over a timbo beat designed for nas, a dre beat customised, or even a quik beat... and damn quik and nas would just flow.
exactly. Dre & Timbo are pretty versatile...
If Timbo produces, i want it to be a somewhat laid back joint. Come to think of it, a beat similar to Lloyd Banks "I'm So Fly" could come off pretty dope. (Not conceding that I necessarily want Timbo on board.)
This album is no doubt going to be interesting. The other parts no one seems to be talking about is that he said he is also gonna look for some unknown producers, like the next Kanye or Just Blaze. Jay basically introduced both of these two to the world, so i will say i'm interested in some new unknown producers. I'd also like to hear him over Heatmakerz - that shit they did for that Camron diss was sick.
And what about collaborations? Theres a good chance Jay is gonna pop up, but who else? I also have a good feeling that Slick Rick might show up too. Maybe Rakim, AZ (both very doubtfull)?
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dont you people think that producers would make a beat suited for an artist ? nas wont be spittin over a jay-z beat... he'll be spittin over a timbo beat designed for nas, a dre beat customised, or even a quik beat... and damn quik and nas would just flow.
exactly. Dre & Timbo are pretty versatile...
If Timbo produces, i want it to be a somewhat laid back joint. Come to think of it, a beat similar to Lloyd Banks "I'm So Fly" could come off pretty dope. (Not conceding that I necessarily want Timbo on board.)
This album is no doubt going to be interesting. The other parts no one seems to be talking about is that he said he is also gonna look for some unknown producers, like the next Kanye or Just Blaze. Jay basically introduced both of these two to the world, so i will say i'm interested in some new unknown producers. I'd also like to hear him over Heatmakerz - that shit they did for that Camron diss was sick.
And what about collaborations? Theres a good chance Jay is gonna pop up, but who else? I also have a good feeling that Slick Rick might show up too. Maybe Rakim, AZ (both very doubtfull)?
^ damn you think ?? if slick rick made an appearance then :o and rakim ?!?! shit man, i'm starting to look forward to this album as much as detox !!!
and jay wont necessarily pop up, he said he wont force anything, but you'd think the single would be a jay/nas collabo... i hope there aren't too many features though, wouldn't mind strait nas spit over some hot beats....
this could well be the new milleniums illmatic :o
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and damn quik and nas would just flow.
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orange soda is good, so is beer, but mix em? quik is the orange soda
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and damn quik and nas would just flow.
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orange soda is good, so is beer, but mix em? quik is the orange soda
i didnt mean tradin verses, i mean quik on the boards and nas on the mic...
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Dre had his chance,and blew it.yet if you put that firm lp.next to alot of the bullshit out today.it will kill it.
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as a NAs Fanatic sittin' here in PAkistan...i just that mayne t make sum money that he deserves for givvin hip-hop so much...l
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Damn this is the best news in rap so far this year!
Its great Nas & Jay can actually kick it business wise, lets hope they can kick it as homies and put out some stellar material.
After loving Nas for so long for killing Jay its dope that Jay is so kool and honourable to put in work for his new artist. Much respect to both artists for kickin it wit each other.