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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: herpes on February 12, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
Because that's pretty much the entire thing that attracts white kids to hip-hop in the first place...most of them don't nuthin about concepts like "talent", "flow", "breath control", etc. They only care about how authentic the muh'fucka sounds, if he can name his set and if he's done prison time. That's also why you hear these crackers saying shit like, "I hate this song...it sounds too R&B"...because they only want to hear black men talking about killing each other; it's not proper for them to hear a brother talk about other emotions, such as love. That's why hip-hop is a minstrel show now. Fucking white kids.
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No one likes liars, that's all.
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
Because that's pretty much the entire thing that attracts white kids to hip-hop in the first place...most of them don't nuthin about concepts like "talent", "flow", "breath control", etc. They only care about how authentic the muh'fucka sounds, if he can name his set and if he's done prison time. That's also why you hear these crackers saying shit like, "I hate this song...it sounds too R&B"...because they only want to hear black men talking about killing each other; it's not proper for them to hear a brother talk about other emotions, such as love. That's why hip-hop is a minstrel show now. Fucking white kids.
the fuck you tryna say, dont go and generalize, your probably white too, that was one of the most racist opinions ive ever heard....white kids were im at dont give 2 shits about how gangsta a rapper is, maybe in the UK, but not in the states...we aint from the streets, so no one cares....i live in jersey, mad people listen to Yukmouth who is fake as can be, no one cares that he gets punked & beat...C-Bo on the other hand is gangsta as hell, but noone listens to him cuz he got no flow....matter of fact, when ever you get into an argument with a black person as to why you don't like Dipset or G-Unit, there only defense is "oh them ni**as gangsta thou"...I swear that blacks in NJ swear by the Dips! lol it aint the white people . lol at white people not understanding talent, flow & breath control. that was an extremely immature statement and i dont lose my cool over the internet, but you should check yourself, and your ignorance
your statement was extremly immature...btw Little Brother's "Take it Slow" was one of the best records of 05...but damn it just didnt feel right to hear a "brother" talk about love, there must be something wrong with white people
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No one likes liars, that's all.
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You'll hear cats cryin about backpack shit, saying white kids are the reason these "nerds" can sell in the first place, and you'll hear the same people whining about white kids being responsible for all the noise about "street rapper"'s background, cause they are really the ones that care about that shit. Then again tears is droppin when they think about the bitch ass white kids who are responsible for all the pop/rnb shit you see on mtv.
can I get you a tissue ?
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the fuck you tryna say, dont go and generalize, your probably white too, that was one of the most racist opinions ive ever heard....white kids were im at dont give 2 shits about how gangsta a rapper is, maybe in the UK, but not in the states...we aint from the streets, so no one cares....i live in jersey, mad people listen to Yukmouth who is fake as can be, no one cares that he gets punked & beat...C-Bo on the other hand is gangsta as hell, but noone listens to him cuz he got no flow....matter of fact, when ever you get into an argument with a black person as to why you don't like Dipset or G-Unit, there only defense is "oh them ni**as gangsta thou"...I swear that blacks in NJ swear by the Dips! lol it aint the white people . lol at white people not understanding talent, flow & breath control. that was an extremely immature statement and i dont lose my cool over the internet, but you should check yourself, and your ignorance
your statement was extremly immature...btw Little Brother's "Take it Slow" was one of the best records of 05...but damn it just didnt feel right to hear a "brother" talk about love, there must be something wrong with white people
It's pretty much true. That is pretty much all white kids think about...they listen to hip-hop because they want to feel tough, not because they can relate to it. There may be some exceptions, but by and large, white kids know nothing about the culture. That's why rappers like 50 get over on the basis of their "street cred"...that's all shit white kids embrace.
And no, I'm not white.
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Man, lots of black people support 50. I can understand the white people being the main support group of backpack rap, but when it comes to the bullshit that gets played on MTV, every group of people for a hand in it.
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the fuck you tryna say, dont go and generalize, your probably white too, that was one of the most racist opinions ive ever heard....white kids were im at dont give 2 shits about how gangsta a rapper is, maybe in the UK, but not in the states...we aint from the streets, so no one cares....i live in jersey, mad people listen to Yukmouth who is fake as can be, no one cares that he gets punked & beat...C-Bo on the other hand is gangsta as hell, but noone listens to him cuz he got no flow....matter of fact, when ever you get into an argument with a black person as to why you don't like Dipset or G-Unit, there only defense is "oh them ni**as gangsta thou"...I swear that blacks in NJ swear by the Dips! lol it aint the white people . lol at white people not understanding talent, flow & breath control. that was an extremely immature statement and i dont lose my cool over the internet, but you should check yourself, and your ignorance
your statement was extremly immature...btw Little Brother's "Take it Slow" was one of the best records of 05...but damn it just didnt feel right to hear a "brother" talk about love, there must be something wrong with white people
It's pretty much true. That is pretty much all white kids think about...they listen to hip-hop because they want to feel tough, not because they can relate to it. There may be some exceptions, but by and large, white kids know nothing about the culture. That's why rappers like 50 get over on the basis of their "street cred"...that's all shit white kids embrace.
And no, I'm not white.
50 got over b/c he used to make good music, an did his hustleto get big. B4 he signed to shady/aftermath he had a huge following in the streets already.
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[50 got over b/c he used to make good music, an did his hustleto get big. B4 he signed to shady/aftermath he had a huge following in the streets already.
Yeah, but it was the white kids who helped him cross over completely from there, largely on the basis of his image.
Man, lots of black people support 50. I can understand the white people being the main support group of backpack rap, but when it comes to the bullshit that gets played on MTV, every group of people for a hand in it.
But mostly whites. They account for 80% of hip-hop buyers, after all. It is largely THEIR interests that white-owned record labels attempt to service.
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[50 got over b/c he used to make good music, an did his hustleto get big. B4 he signed to shady/aftermath he had a huge following in the streets already.
Yeah, but it was the white kids who helped him cross over completely from there, largely on the basis of his image.
Man, lots of black people support 50. I can understand the white people being the main support group of backpack rap, but when it comes to the bullshit that gets played on MTV, every group of people for a hand in it.
But mostly whites. They account for 80% of hip-hop buyers, after all. It is largely THEIR interests that white-owned record labels attempt to service.
at the same time, it was probably white kids that helped your favorite rappers get big b/c in the hood no one is buying real albums its all about bootlegs
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[50 got over b/c he used to make good music, an did his hustleto get big. B4 he signed to shady/aftermath he had a huge following in the streets already.
Yeah, but it was the white kids who helped him cross over completely from there, largely on the basis of his image.
Man, lots of black people support 50. I can understand the white people being the main support group of backpack rap, but when it comes to the bullshit that gets played on MTV, every group of people for a hand in it.
But mostly whites. They account for 80% of hip-hop buyers, after all. It is largely THEIR interests that white-owned record labels attempt to service.
Blame the labels then. Then again, can you? They're in the business of gettin' that paper.
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at the same time, it was probably white kids that helped your favorite rappers get big b/c in the hood no one is buying real albums its all about bootlegs
Very true. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Given what's happened to hip-hop in the mainstream, maybe it would have been better staying below the white kids' radar. White kids may have helped hip-hop commercially, but they've ruined it artistically.
Blame the labels then. Then again, can you? They're in the business of gettin' that paper.
I do blame the labels, but like you said, they're trying to get paper, so I think it does come down to the white kids.
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
oooo someone got there knickers in a twist.
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at the same time, it was probably white kids that helped your favorite rappers get big b/c in the hood no one is buying real albums its all about bootlegs
Very true. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Given what's happened to hip-hop in the mainstream, maybe it would have been better staying below the white kids' radar. White kids may have helped hip-hop commercially, but they've ruined it artistically.
Blame the labels then. Then again, can you? They're in the business of gettin' that paper.
I do blame the labels, but like you said, they're trying to get paper, so I think it does come down to the white kids.
i think its more so the differences in sexes rather then races that ruined hip hop artistically. See woman like simple shit with no substance just as long as it gets there ass shaking. There the one's that buy the albums the posters all that other shit. now us guys we dont buy any that, we just go buy the bootleg or download it or mixtapes. So we have no say in what becomes popular an we dont do nothing about it b/c where going following what the females like b/c where always chasing the ass.
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i think its more so the differences in sexes rather then races that ruined hip hop artistically. See woman like simple shit with no substance just as long as it gets there ass shaking. There the one's that buy the albums the posters all that other shit. now us guys we dont buy any that, we just go buy the bootleg or download it or mixtapes. So we have no say in what becomes popular an we dont do nothing about it b/c where going following what the females like b/c where always chasing the ass.
Bullshit...see, now that's sexist what you just said.
There are two types of music listeners...the ones who like music with substance, the ones that don't. Women may like shit that they can shake their "laffy taffy" to, but these hardcore suburban white kids only like shit that makes them feel tough...crap that's more about the attitude than the music. Neither type is really big into substance. There are plenty of intelligent women who like intelligent music. Say shit like that, and you'll be lucky to have a girlfriend in your life, cuzz.
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i think its more so the differences in sexes rather then races that ruined hip hop artistically. See woman like simple shit with no substance just as long as it gets there ass shaking. There the one's that buy the albums the posters all that other shit. now us guys we dont buy any that, we just go buy the bootleg or download it or mixtapes. So we have no say in what becomes popular an we dont do nothing about it b/c where going following what the females like b/c where always chasing the ass.
Bullshit...see, now that's sexist what you just said.
There are two types of music listeners...the ones who like music with substance, the ones that don't. Women may like shit that they can shake their "laffy taffy" to, but these hardcore suburban white kids only like shit that makes them feel tough...crap that's more about the attitude than the music. Neither type is really big into substance. There are plenty of intelligent women who like intelligent music. Say shit like that, and you'll be lucky to have a girlfriend in your life, cuzz.
what the fuck are you taling about. two types of music fans? i got mf doom, zion i, dipset, and portishead in my playlist right now. that there just disproves your whole argument. seriously man that is one of the stupidest things i've seen. :tosser:
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what the fuck are you taling about. two types of music fans? i got mf doom, zion i, dipset, and portishead in my playlist right now. that there just disproves your whole argument. seriously man that is one of the stupidest things i've seen. :tosser:
There are in-betweens. What, you think I don't listen to 50 Cent or Snoop and all these other rappers that are thin in substance? I was simply trying to redirect the focus of his argument. So fuck off.
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:'( stop trying to make dramatic statements that make no sense
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
oooo someone got there knickers in a twist.
nice avoidance of the question ::)
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:'( stop trying to make dramatic statements that make no sense
You mean dumb them down?
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i think its more so the differences in sexes rather then races that ruined hip hop artistically. See woman like simple shit with no substance just as long as it gets there ass shaking. There the one's that buy the albums the posters all that other shit. now us guys we dont buy any that, we just go buy the bootleg or download it or mixtapes. So we have no say in what becomes popular an we dont do nothing about it b/c where going following what the females like b/c where always chasing the ass.
Bullshit...see, now that's sexist what you just said.
There are two types of music listeners...the ones who like music with substance, the ones that don't. Women may like shit that they can shake their "laffy taffy" to, but these hardcore suburban white kids only like shit that makes them feel tough...crap that's more about the attitude than the music. Neither type is really big into substance. There are plenty of intelligent women who like intelligent music. Say shit like that, and you'll be lucky to have a girlfriend in your life, cuzz.
and you can make generalizations about white people tho, get the fuck outta here
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
oooo someone got there knickers in a twist.
nice avoidance of the question ::)
get the sand out ya pussy..... most euro cats... NOT ALL... make a big deal about the a rapper and his street cred, is he real or not, about the whole stop snitching movement, yet the closest thing they have seen to the streets is someone jay walking. What do they know
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its funny how sensetive white people are about "racism". i mean come on now yall, i got no particular problem with white folks no more, but i seriously think yall dont even KNOW racism in the same way that minorities know it. The little shit yall whine about aint shit compared to REAL racism.
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
oooo someone got there knickers in a twist.
nice avoidance of the question ::)
get the sand out ya pussy..... most euro cats... NOT ALL... make a big deal about the a rapper and his street cred, is he real or not, about the whole stop snitching movement, yet the closest thing they have seen to the streets is someone jay walking. What do they know
"jay-walking" is an american term.
we don't use it in europe.
so using an american term to describe something that europeans "do" compliments your idiocy perfectly, good job.
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Let's blame the white people, not the artists themselves for selling out to the mainstream.
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
oooo someone got there knickers in a twist.
nice avoidance of the question ::)
get the sand out ya pussy..... most euro cats... NOT ALL... make a big deal about the a rapper and his street cred, is he real or not, about the whole stop snitching movement, yet the closest thing they have seen to the streets is someone jay walking. What do they know
"jay-walking" is an american term.
we don't use it in europe.
so using an american term to describe something that europeans "do" compliments your idiocy perfectly, good job.
i dont give a shit lol. So why were you so offended by initial statement, is it b/c ur one of them euro cats that fall in that catagory
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no, i am one of those euro cats that you believe fall into that category.
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no, i am one of those euro cats that you believe fall into that category.
what lolol.... im not from europe or well off so try again dip shit :D
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no, i am one of those euro cats that you believe fall into that category.
what lolol.... im not from europe or well off so try again dip shit :D
wtf?
that doesn't make any sense
rest your sweet brain, it's battery seems to be quite low.
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and you can make generalizations about white people tho, get the fuck outta here
I know there are plenty of smart white people, but there's a lot of stupid kids. When I see wiggers driving by blaring T.I. and Game at 300-DB, I'm left to conclude that's a general trend. They've done studies on this shit.
Let's blame the white people, not the artists themselves for selling out to the mainstream.
Like you said, they're following the money. And given where they come from, better that than being broke. I never said the rappers don't have any responsibility, tho.
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no, i am one of those euro cats that you believe fall into that category.
what lolol.... im not from europe or well off so try again dip shit :D
wtf?
that doesn't make any sense
rest your sweet brain, it's battery seems to be quite low.
u said u were a euro cat that thinks i fall into the category of a well off guy or euro cat that takes the whole street steez serious doggy now go drink some tea an eat some crumpets.
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and you can make generalizations about white people tho, get the fuck outta here
I know there are plenty of smart white people, but there's a lot of stupid kids. When I see wiggers driving by blaring T.I. and Game at 300-DB, I'm left to conclude that's a general trend. They've done studies on this shit.
Let's blame the white people, not the artists themselves for selling out to the mainstream.
why dont black people stop buying bootlegs and mix tapes and buy the real album?
Like you said, they're following the money. And given where they come from, better that than being broke. I never said the rappers don't have any responsibility, tho.
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[why dont black people stop buying bootlegs and mix tapes and buy the real album?
And white kids don't do that?
The reason why white people have more influence isn't because blacks only buy bootlegs, it's because they're simply overrepresented. There's more of them, and they've got more money. The music industry has always been geared towards the taste of white kids.
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no, i am one of those euro cats that you believe fall into that category.
re-read what i said.
i believe you have got the wrong end of the stick pal.
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[why dont black people stop buying bootlegs and mix tapes and buy the real album?
And white kids don't do that?
The reason why white people have more influence isn't because blacks only buy bootlegs, it's because they're simply overrepresented. There's more of them, and they've got more money. The music industry has always been geared towards the taste of white kids.
then why dont more black make there voice heard if its that important
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I'm not one to be fooled by the mean muggin goin on in Mobb Deep club videos
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then why dont more black make there voice heard if its that important
And how the fuck do you propose we do that?
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Every black guy I know loves mainstream hip hop so they're happy just like the majority of white kids and everyone else. There's only a small percentage who likes the real shit, and that includes both blacks and whites. Look at the make-up of this board. You go tmore white people on here than anyone else, and everyone in here for the most part wants good music, not trash. It ain't the race.
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Every black guy I know loves mainstream hip hop so they're happy just like the majority of white kids and everyone else. There's only a small percentage who likes the real shit, and that includes both blacks and whites. Look at the make-up of this board. You go tmore white people on here than anyone else, and everyone in here for the most part wants good music, not trash. It ain't the race.
It's race in terms of numerical superiority, because, as I've said before, whites represent 80% of hip-hop buyers.
Personally, tho, the majority of black folks I know have far more balanced tastes compared to the majority of white kids in my class. It's only become trendy recently for these white kids to like Kanye or Common, but by and large, white kids are mostly interested in gangsta/thug shit only. Blacks are far more likely to embrace neo-soul, old school hip-hop, urban/R&B, shit like that.
And referring to everyone in here is irrelevent...almost everyone on here listens to gangsta rap almost exclusively. Creatively, there's no difference to me between DJ Quik and 50 Cent...they both make the same kind of music.
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Creatively, there's no difference to me between DJ Quik and 50 Cent...they both make the same kind of music.
wow.
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wow.
Party-oriented gangsta shit. Yeah, you can argue Quik is far more talented than 50, but the type of music is basically the same genre. You can argue about who's real and who's not, whether West Coast or East Coast is better, but in the end, it's all just gangsta rap.
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Every black guy I know loves mainstream hip hop so they're happy just like the majority of white kids and everyone else. There's only a small percentage who likes the real shit, and that includes both blacks and whites. Look at the make-up of this board. You go tmore white people on here than anyone else, and everyone in here for the most part wants good music, not trash. It ain't the race.
realest shit any one posted in this topic so far, eihtball you are a euro-trash clown
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Thats some bullshit Eihtball about white people when i lived in Sac for a few years i had a few good freinds that were white and they listend to this gangsta shit and when i asked them why they listend to it when they cant relate to it, and they both said they just liked it because the guys they liked could rap, spit heat. You know you dont have to be black to realize talent on the mic. I think a white person can hear a tight line just like a black person can. Man music is music and fans are fans money has no face who cares who buys the music as long as keeps getting supported and bought these rappers will keep puttin out good music.
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Creatively, there's no difference to me between DJ Quik and 50 Cent...they both make the same kind of music.
wow.
you can argue Quik is far more talented than 50, but the type of music is basically the same genre. You can argue about who's real and who's not, whether West Coast or East Coast is better, but in the end, it's all just gangsta rap.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :P ..... I'm not even gonna bother arguing..... just give yourself a good slap for me
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iv got a lot of white friends who are all beat-oriented. and it makes me fucking sick. but iv also got white friends who bump the underground shit thats got dope multis and flows and punches. bottom line, stop trippin if you think white people cant recognize real, good rap music. they can. so can black people. so can brown people. so can yellow people. shit, so can purple, polkadotted people. IT DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHAT YOUR RACE IS, ANY RACE CAN RECOGNIZE GOOD RAP MUSIC.
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Creatively, there's no difference to me between DJ Quik and 50 Cent...they both make the same kind of music.
You serious? A difference I can name between those two right off the bat is quality.
The argument could go back and forth all day. I guess the people you're affiliated with are different than the ones I'm with, maybe we're from different regions: who knows. All I know is the white guys I know listen to more underground, old skool, "real" hip-hop than any other races with the exception of asians. Black folks are just as interested in a rapper's "gangsta" as anyone else, but you're making it sound like we're only into the politically conscious shit and that ain't true. Even if you factor in the fact that whites over represent the population of hip hop fans, take them out of the equation and I bet you there would be just as many minorities looking out for bullshit music.
Homie above me said it best, race doesn't matter.
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wow.
Party-oriented gangsta shit. Yeah, you can argue Quik is far more talented than 50, but the type of music is basically the same genre. You can argue about who's real and who's not, whether West Coast or East Coast is better, but in the end, it's all just gangsta rap.
Nah cuzzin, you wrong on that, at least as far as I'm concerned. Quik is a vastly superior artist to 50. He is far too versatile, talented and multi dimensional to label as a gangsta rapper. Hell, none of his music since before rythmalism even gives off a gangsta type vibe to me. Quik is a real musician who makes real music. 50 is a one dimensional "gangsta" (even though hes not from a gang) rapper/battle rapper who moonlights as a hack r&b singer for his hooks.
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^^^ u did the arguing for me... very well put
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As is typical, it seems I get a lot of ig'nant muh'fuckas who don't understand what I'm saying and jump in with their BS examples. I've said before that 80% of hip-hop records are bought by WHITE KIDS. So does it not make sense that hte music industry listens almost entirely to them? Is this really so hard to figure out? Well, this is DubCNN, so I guess so.
realest shit any one posted in this topic so far, eihtball you are a euro-trash clown
Realest shit that I just refuted?
And how would you know what I am? "Euro-trash"? I ain't even from Europe, whereas your white ass probably is. Guess what I'm saying hits a little too close to home, huh, cracker? Well, the truth hurts.
Thats some bullshit Eihtball about white people when i lived in Sac for a few years i had a few good freinds that were white and they listend to this gangsta shit and when i asked them why they listend to it when they cant relate to it, and they both said they just liked it because the guys they liked could rap, spit heat. You know you dont have to be black to realize talent on the mic. I think a white person can hear a tight line just like a black person can. Man music is music and fans are fans money has no face who cares who buys the music as long as keeps getting supported and bought these rappers will keep puttin out good music.
Man, I never even said white people can't appreciate good hip-hop. You think I don't see these white kids bumping Common or The Roots on campus? I know quite well there are some smart crackers out there. But generally, those kids are still not the majority...the majority are stupid wigger trash in junior high who idolize 50 Cent, Game, Young Jeezy, Snoop, etc. because of how "gangsta" they appear. In mainstream music, image sells far more than talent. That ain't disputable.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :P ..... I'm not even gonna bother arguing..... just give yourself a good slap for me
Maybe you should give yourself a good slap for being too stupid to understand what I'm trying to say.
You serious? A difference I can name between those two right off the bat is quality.
Didn't I just acknowledge that? It's not quality I'm talking about, tho. Read next time.
The argument could go back and forth all day. I guess the people you're affiliated with are different than the ones I'm with, maybe we're from different regions: who knows. All I know is the white guys I know listen to more underground, old skool, "real" hip-hop than any other races with the exception of asians. Black folks are just as interested in a rapper's "gangsta" as anyone else, but you're making it sound like we're only into the politically conscious shit and that ain't true. Even if you factor in the fact that whites over represent the population of hip hop fans, take them out of the equation and I bet you there would be just as many minorities looking out for bullshit music.
Homie above me said it best, race doesn't matter.
That's not what I'm saying at all. How many times do I have to fucking repeat myself before your illiterate ass gets it?
The point is NOT that whites only listen to gangsta shit while blacks only listen to conscious shit. The point is, white kids do represent the majority of hip-hop buyers. That is an incontrovertible fact...I've said before that 80% of hip-hop buyers are white kids. Therefore, these labels are trying to make money by giving white kids what they want. And white kids who are in middle school, trying to rebel against their parents, etc. are mostly interested in this macho image shit. That's my point.
As far as the last thing you said, what you've said is still a hypothetical situation. Records companies could care less about minorities because as I've said before, they aren't the ones buying the majority of records. As long as white kids are, hip-hop will overstuffed with gangsterism and thug-talk.
Nah cuzzin, you wrong on that, at least as far as I'm concerned. Quik is a vastly superior artist to 50. He is far too versatile, talented and multi dimensional to label as a gangsta rapper. Hell, none of his music since before rythmalism even gives off a gangsta type vibe to me. Quik is a real musician who makes real music. 50 is a one dimensional "gangsta" (even though hes not from a gang) rapper/battle rapper who moonlights as a hack r&b singer for his hooks.
Man, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't have put down DJ Quik, but spare me the semantics, aiight? I give a mad-ass fuck, either way. 50 may talk more about guns while Quik may be anti-violent these days, but ultimately, they both make a lot of party-oriented jams that deal a lot with fucking, clubbing, and shit like that. I'm not saying Quik doesn't do it better than 50, but in the end, it's (mostly) the same lyrical content. But what I've said still describes 99% of the West Coast rappers who are respected on these boards...there's too many of them that try to be thugs, pimps, gangbangers, whatever. That's why the music is stale these days, and why I don't listen to a whole lot of it anymore.
^^^ u did the arguing for me... very well put
Yeah, cause you can't argue yourself, little faggot, so you need other cats to do it for you. It ain't like he even addressed my main points, anyway.
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Yes us rich white people just listen to hip hop to hear niggers talking about killing each other. ::)
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Yes us rich white people just listen to hip hop to hear niggers talking about killing each other. ::)
Pretty much so, yeah. Notice how many white kids on here complain every time Snoop does a song that's "too R&B", and how many of them criticize rappers who try and appeal to women. Why is it only appropriate to hear a black man talk about killing and drug-dealing?
Also, how often do you hear white people listen to R&B or soul? Every white kid I've ever met likes at least some rap, but white kids who like anything "urban" are few and far in between. I wonder why that is?
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^You see what you wanna see homie.
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Yes us rich white people just listen to hip hop to hear niggers talking about killing each other. ::)
Pretty much so, yeah. Notice how many white kids on here complain every time Snoop does a song that's "too R&B", and how many of them criticize rappers who try and appeal to women. Why is it only appropriate to hear a black man talk about killing and drug-dealing?
Also, how often do you hear white people listen to R&B or soul? Every white kid I've ever met likes at least some rap, but white kids who like anything "urban" are few and far in between. I wonder why that is?
god u bullshit a lot. but then again what do I know... im white. don't know shit about the urban culture
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yeah, you think 50 Cent and DJ Quik make the same music, and I'm the idiot
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eightball, where u from Denmark or something? y u getting so heated with all the cursing and name-calling on a internet chat board
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got caught up in a six pack of soda my nucca
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The argument could go back and forth all day. I guess the people you're affiliated with are different than the ones I'm with, maybe we're from different regions: who knows. All I know is the white guys I know listen to more underground, old skool, "real" hip-hop than any other races with the exception of asians. Black folks are just as interested in a rapper's "gangsta" as anyone else, but you're making it sound like we're only into the politically conscious shit and that ain't true. Even if you factor in the fact that whites over represent the population of hip hop fans, take them out of the equation and I bet you there would be just as many minorities looking out for bullshit music.
Homie above me said it best, race doesn't matter.
That's not what I'm saying at all. How many times do I have to fucking repeat myself before your illiterate ass gets it?
The point is NOT that whites only listen to gangsta shit while blacks only listen to conscious shit. The point is, white kids do represent the majority of hip-hop buyers. That is an incontrovertible fact...I've said before that 80% of hip-hop buyers are white kids. Therefore, these labels are trying to make money by giving white kids what they want. And white kids who are in middle school, trying to rebel against their parents, etc. are mostly interested in this macho image shit. That's my point.
As far as the last thing you said, what you've said is still a hypothetical situation. Records companies could care less about minorities because as I've said before, they aren't the ones buying the majority of records. As long as white kids are, hip-hop will overstuffed with gangsterism and thug-talk.
are you that stupid ?
what dude was saying is that it simply doesn't matter, check the bold part, retard. If all white kids that you blame for the bullshit music would stop listening to it tomorrow, the only difference would be that less money is involved, but the biggest part of the money thats still in would still go to the same kind of artists. It wouldn't make a difference cause the majority of whites, as well as the majority of blacks is listening to that crap.
When the percantage is equal (let's say 85% of whites listen to crap hiphop, and 85% of blacks listen to crap hiphop) then it does NOT matter that white people's total numbers are way bigger. Take them away and it's still the same.
As for the question whether it's true that about the same percentage of blacks listen to crap hiphop as whites do, read what people (including blacks) in this thread said. It IS a fact, the majority of ALL races bump the crap, but there's also hella people from ALL races who bump real shit and go by quality, not image or whatever else.
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eihtball is from canada lol.
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The argument could go back and forth all day. I guess the people you're affiliated with are different than the ones I'm with, maybe we're from different regions: who knows. All I know is the white guys I know listen to more underground, old skool, "real" hip-hop than any other races with the exception of asians. Black folks are just as interested in a rapper's "gangsta" as anyone else, but you're making it sound like we're only into the politically conscious shit and that ain't true. Even if you factor in the fact that whites over represent the population of hip hop fans, take them out of the equation and I bet you there would be just as many minorities looking out for bullshit music.
Homie above me said it best, race doesn't matter.
That's not what I'm saying at all. How many times do I have to fucking repeat myself before your illiterate ass gets it?
The point is NOT that whites only listen to gangsta shit while blacks only listen to conscious shit. The point is, white kids do represent the majority of hip-hop buyers. That is an incontrovertible fact...I've said before that 80% of hip-hop buyers are white kids. Therefore, these labels are trying to make money by giving white kids what they want. And white kids who are in middle school, trying to rebel against their parents, etc. are mostly interested in this macho image shit. That's my point.
As far as the last thing you said, what you've said is still a hypothetical situation. Records companies could care less about minorities because as I've said before, they aren't the ones buying the majority of records. As long as white kids are, hip-hop will overstuffed with gangsterism and thug-talk.
No muthafucka can you read?
I got your wise-ass, ignorant, blame-shifting point. You're so obsessed with hating on whitey, you don't even get what I'm saying so I'll dumb it down for ya. It doesn't matter how many fuckin white kids listen to rap, the youth in general wanna be gangstas and thugs. Brown, black, white - it don't fuckin matter. You tellin me black dudes don't wanna stunt and act hard?
Get off that 5% shit and maybe you'll be able to realize my point. Then again, you're the dude that puts DJ Quik and 50 Cent in the same category so why am I wasting my time.
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Yall are all missin Eightball's point. You're automatically gettin defensive without actually seein what he's sayin. Reading & comprehension, folks.
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Nah cuzzin, you wrong on that, at least as far as I'm concerned. Quik is a vastly superior artist to 50. He is far too versatile, talented and multi dimensional to label as a gangsta rapper. Hell, none of his music since before rythmalism even gives off a gangsta type vibe to me. Quik is a real musician who makes real music. 50 is a one dimensional "gangsta" (even though hes not from a gang) rapper/battle rapper who moonlights as a hack r&b singer for his hooks.
Man, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't have put down DJ Quik, but spare me the semantics, aiight? I give a mad-ass fuck, either way. 50 may talk more about guns while Quik may be anti-violent these days, but ultimately, they both make a lot of party-oriented jams that deal a lot with fucking, clubbing, and shit like that. I'm not saying Quik doesn't do it better than 50, but in the end, it's (mostly) the same lyrical content. But what I've said still describes 99% of the West Coast rappers who are respected on these boards...there's too many of them that try to be thugs, pimps, gangbangers, whatever. That's why the music is stale these days, and why I don't listen to a whole lot of it anymore.
I agree, but I think 50 and Quik are really apples and oranges. Thats all I was trying to say.
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LOL at these crackers who think I'm from Europe when they're obviously talkin bout themselves. I live in NC right now, the Dirty-Dirty. Since Sikotic is the only one capable of at least making sense, I'll ignore the rest of you illterate bitches, especially since you're all probably wiggers anyway.
No muthafucka can you read?
I got your wise-ass, ignorant, blame-shifting point. You're so obsessed with hating on whitey, you don't even get what I'm saying so I'll dumb it down for ya. It doesn't matter how many fuckin white kids listen to rap, the youth in general wanna be gangstas and thugs. Brown, black, white - it don't fuckin matter. You tellin me black dudes don't wanna stunt and act hard?
Get off that 5% shit and maybe you'll be able to realize my point. Then again, you're the dude that puts DJ Quik and 50 Cent in the same category so why am I wasting my time.
And I'm saying...that is still irrelevent. You may be understanding my point, but you still ain't hearing me out.
I never said that there aren't a lot of black folks that listen to the crap-rap. I'm sure you're right that the percentages are similar (85% of blacks like crap, 85% of crackers like crap, etc.) But the simple fact is...blacks still do not influence what the companies support, and they never have...whites kids are the target audience. So yeah, it's extremely relevent because that means whites had a hand in making the culture what it is today. Gangsta shit wasn't a problem back in the late-80s', early-90s' when it was confined entirely to the underground, but it's only after we started seeing it gaining popularity amongst whites that the record labels began milking gangsta rap for all the dollars it was worth, and that is what brought an oversaturation of thug shit to the market.
My point is, it is WHITE consumption that made hip-hop what it is today. Even IF what you said had happened, and every black man in America had decided back in '89 that they liked N.W.A. and not one white kid liked N.W.A. (which wasn't the case, obviously), the record industry would have given a mad-ass fuck about gangsta rap because they wouldn't have seen it as profitable selling ONLY to black consumers. Consequently, gangsta shit would have remained in the margins, not the center, of what hip-hop culture was all about. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me to see 85% of black kids listening only to 50 and Snoop...that's all the industry gives them now. But the industry started doing that shit because they were interested in feeding white interest, not negro interest.
Also, since when am I a 5%er simply because I'm spitting truth about the way the music industry works? What, did you read that shit I said in the topic about Cheney shooting that other dude and think I was serious? You think I believe in Yakub and the idea of whites being created from selective breeding? You think I walk around calling every black dude I know "God" and every white dude I meet "Devil"? I don't "hate whitey"...I simply think it's fucked up that the record industry works the way it does. Like Turf Hitta said, ya'll are just too defensive.
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aww man now you're sayin 50 Cent and DJ Quik are on the same level lyrically?
uuuuhhh :P
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aww man now you're sayin 50 Cent and DJ Quik are on the same level lyrically?
uuuuhhh :P
Nope. Just that they rap about the same type of shit - partying, ho's, money, that kinda shit. I know quite well Quik is infinitely more talented as a rapper than 50 will ever be with his mush-mouth delivery.
Learn to fucking read.
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LOL at these crackers who think I'm from Europe when they're obviously talkin bout themselves. I live in NC right now, the Dirty-Dirty. Since Sikotic is the only one capable of at least making sense, I'll ignore the rest of you illterate bitches, especially since you're all probably wiggers anyway.
No muthafucka can you read?
I got your wise-ass, ignorant, blame-shifting point. You're so obsessed with hating on whitey, you don't even get what I'm saying so I'll dumb it down for ya. It doesn't matter how many fuckin white kids listen to rap, the youth in general wanna be gangstas and thugs. Brown, black, white - it don't fuckin matter. You tellin me black dudes don't wanna stunt and act hard?
Get off that 5% shit and maybe you'll be able to realize my point. Then again, you're the dude that puts DJ Quik and 50 Cent in the same category so why am I wasting my time.
And I'm saying...that is still irrelevent. You may be understanding my point, but you still ain't hearing me out.
I never said that there aren't a lot of black folks that listen to the crap-rap. I'm sure you're right that the percentages are similar (85% of blacks like crap, 85% of crackers like crap, etc.) But the simple fact is...blacks still do not influence what the companies support, and they never have...whites kids are the target audience. So yeah, it's extremely relevent because that means whites had a hand in making the culture what it is today. Gangsta shit wasn't a problem back in the late-80s', early-90s' when it was confined entirely to the underground, but it's only after we started seeing it gaining popularity amongst whites that the record labels began milking gangsta rap for all the dollars it was worth, and that is what brought an oversaturation of thug shit to the market.
My point is, it is WHITE consumption that made hip-hop what it is today. Even IF what you said had happened, and every black man in America had decided back in '89 that they liked N.W.A. and not one white kid liked N.W.A. (which wasn't the case, obviously), the record industry would have given a mad-ass fuck about gangsta rap because they wouldn't have seen it as profitable selling ONLY to black consumers. Consequently, gangsta shit would have remained in the margins, not the center, of what hip-hop culture was all about. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me to see 85% of black kids listening only to 50 and Snoop...that's all the industry gives them now. But the industry started doing that shit because they were interested in feeding white interest, not negro interest.
Also, since when am I a 5%er simply because I'm spitting truth about the way the music industry works? What, did you read that shit I said in the topic about Cheney shooting that other dude and think I was serious? You think I believe in Yakub and the idea of whites being created from selective breeding? You think I walk around calling every black dude I know "God" and every white dude I meet "Devil"? I don't "hate whitey"...I simply think it's fucked up that the record industry works the way it does. Like Turf Hitta said, ya'll are just too defensive.
Arite man, you got your theories, I got mine, simple as that. LOL @ you thinking I think you're 5%. Nah man, just some of your thoughts resembled a couple of their ideologies. No 5%er could even handle posting here anyways.
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No 5%er could even handle posting here anyways.
lol theyd have karma like NIK
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Arite man, you got your theories, I got mine, simple as that. LOL @ you thinking I think you're 5%. Nah man, just some of your thoughts resembled a couple of their ideologies. No 5%er could even handle posting here anyways.
Man, it ain't even a theory. I dunno how old you are, but I'm sure you're aware there was a time when gangstas, philosophers, and popsters could occupy the same space on the charts. Shit was more balanced back then. It simply isn't anymore, and the big difference between hip-hop was I was 15 and hip-hop today is that it's become increasingly popular amongst whites. Doesn't that tell you anything?
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LOL at these crackers who think I'm from Europe when they're obviously talkin bout themselves. I live in NC right now, the Dirty-Dirty. Since Sikotic is the only one capable of at least making sense, I'll ignore the rest of you illterate bitches, especially since you're all probably wiggers anyway.
No muthafucka can you read?
I got your wise-ass, ignorant, blame-shifting point. You're so obsessed with hating on whitey, you don't even get what I'm saying so I'll dumb it down for ya. It doesn't matter how many fuckin white kids listen to rap, the youth in general wanna be gangstas and thugs. Brown, black, white - it don't fuckin matter. You tellin me black dudes don't wanna stunt and act hard?
Get off that 5% shit and maybe you'll be able to realize my point. Then again, you're the dude that puts DJ Quik and 50 Cent in the same category so why am I wasting my time.
And I'm saying...that is still irrelevent. You may be understanding my point, but you still ain't hearing me out.
I never said that there aren't a lot of black folks that listen to the crap-rap. I'm sure you're right that the percentages are similar (85% of blacks like crap, 85% of crackers like crap, etc.) But the simple fact is...blacks still do not influence what the companies support, and they never have...whites kids are the target audience. So yeah, it's extremely relevent because that means whites had a hand in making the culture what it is today. Gangsta shit wasn't a problem back in the late-80s', early-90s' when it was confined entirely to the underground, but it's only after we started seeing it gaining popularity amongst whites that the record labels began milking gangsta rap for all the dollars it was worth, and that is what brought an oversaturation of thug shit to the market.
My point is, it is WHITE consumption that made hip-hop what it is today. Even IF what you said had happened, and every black man in America had decided back in '89 that they liked N.W.A. and not one white kid liked N.W.A. (which wasn't the case, obviously), the record industry would have given a mad-ass fuck about gangsta rap because they wouldn't have seen it as profitable selling ONLY to black consumers. Consequently, gangsta shit would have remained in the margins, not the center, of what hip-hop culture was all about. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me to see 85% of black kids listening only to 50 and Snoop...that's all the industry gives them now. But the industry started doing that shit because they were interested in feeding white interest, not negro interest.
Also, since when am I a 5%er simply because I'm spitting truth about the way the music industry works? What, did you read that shit I said in the topic about Cheney shooting that other dude and think I was serious? You think I believe in Yakub and the idea of whites being created from selective breeding? You think I walk around calling every black dude I know "God" and every white dude I meet "Devil"? I don't "hate whitey"...I simply think it's fucked up that the record industry works the way it does. Like Turf Hitta said, ya'll are just too defensive.
Arite man, you got your theories, I got mine, simple as that. LOL @ you thinking I think you're 5%. Nah man, just some of your thoughts resembled a couple of their ideologies. No 5%er could even handle posting here anyways.
lol, nah thay had the one guy that was down with above the law. I think his name was damon x. here was here for a while till someone found out he was postin pics of his dick on the internet trying to pick up woman lol.
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Arite man, you got your theories, I got mine, simple as that. LOL @ you thinking I think you're 5%. Nah man, just some of your thoughts resembled a couple of their ideologies. No 5%er could even handle posting here anyways.
Man, it ain't even a theory. I dunno how old you are, but I'm sure you're aware there was a time when gangstas, philosophers, and popsters could occupy the same space on the charts. Shit was more balanced back then. It simply isn't anymore, and the big difference between hip-hop was I was 15 and hip-hop today is that it's become increasingly popular amongst whites. Doesn't that tell you anything?
Oh I'm not denying the fact that hip hop sales are off balance. It's more than obvious. I still think the problem digs much deeper than the increase of white fans. I'm just basing this off of what I've seen. The indy and conscious hip hop shows out here in Cali have more white guys in the crowds then at the more mainstream concerts. Even at the indy shows, you got the wigger cats that try to impress me with their slang because I'm black lol, but the most of them got respect for the music.
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Even IF what you said had happened, and every black man in America had decided back in '89 that they liked N.W.A. and not one white kid liked N.W.A. (which wasn't the case, obviously), the record industry would have given a mad-ass fuck about gangsta rap because they wouldn't have seen it as profitable selling ONLY to black consumers. Consequently, gangsta shit would have remained in the margins, not the center, of what hip-hop culture was all about.
you have a way one dimensional way of thinkin. What you do (evidently without realizing it) is you blame white people for not being way more reasonable when it comes to choosin who to listen to, than blacks are. What you ned to do is compare the industry without white fans, to the industry with white fans. What you DO is, you compare the industry with the actual white fans, to the industry with fictional white fans (fans who only listen to real shit). Therefore you come to the conclusion, even if most blacks were all over the gangsta shit from the mid 90's on (which they were), it still wouldn't have made gangsta rap the center of hiphip if the white fans weren't with it, cause the white, reasonable fans who listen to real shit would have saved it from that, cause they are what counts since there's more of em. Of course that is true, but how can you blame white fans for not saving hiphop when blacks wouldn't have done that either ? White fans fucked up just liked black fans did.
compare the industry without white fans at all to what it is to today: most blacks woulda been all over that gangsta shit, they would have made it the center of hiphop (since they would be the only relevant factor without whites) and the development woulda been exactly the same.
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There's just one thing that pops into my head reading all of this. Why was racism brought in as an argument? Blame the ignorant people. Fuck blaming whitey just because whitey represents the majority. It's ignorant people that made modern day music to what it is.
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aww man now you're sayin 50 Cent and DJ Quik are on the same level lyrically?
uuuuhhh :P
Nope. Just that they rap about the same type of shit - partying, ho's, money, that kinda shit. I know quite well Quik is infinitely more talented as a rapper than 50 will ever be with his mush-mouth delivery.
Learn to fucking read.
shut the fuck up, I woulda been able to quote your stupid ass if you didn't go back and edit your post, moron
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For the record I am not rich am white and from my point of view its not rich white people who buy into this image, but it is usually the white youth who have only been exposed to MTV, TRL. At the same time its white people who largely support the underground acts also though usually a sightly older audience. I for one just want to hear hard lyrics and great flow.
Be it Apathy, Jay-Z, Nas, 50 Cent (back in his day) Talib Kweli, Black Thought, Eminem, Xzibit (the old xzibit) Stimuli
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that rap fans that make the biggest deal about street cred and not snitching and all this talk about the streets and what rapper is fake and real are either well off or euro cats? Not all of them, but for the most part
Because that's pretty much the entire thing that attracts white kids to hip-hop in the first place...most of them don't nuthin about concepts like "talent", "flow", "breath control", etc. They only care about how authentic the muh'fucka sounds, if he can name his set and if he's done prison time. That's also why you hear these crackers saying shit like, "I hate this song...it sounds too R&B"...because they only want to hear black men talking about killing each other; it's not proper for them to hear a brother talk about other emotions, such as love. That's why hip-hop is a minstrel show now. Fucking white kids.
ur a fuckin idiot!
flow
flow!
try cadence
and i am now DUMBER for reading that whole statement ^^^