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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Liquid-Dogg on February 25, 2002, 10:50:53 AM
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Is Cuz he's dead. If Snoop Died in 95 he woulda been classed as the GOAT. Cuz he woulda never had the chance to fall off (go to No Limit).
If 2pac was still alive now he'd of fallen off way back in 98. Ya'll rate him too much. Same goes with Big. I bet if Method Man Died in 96 a lot more peeps woulda class him as GOAT then BIG...Anyway, that jus IMO...Fuck Ya'll If u don't like it
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Or it could be that he has a HUGE fan base.. which would explain all the people saying hes so great...
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Half the fans or even more were probz fans after he died though. Same would happen in any other big rapper at the time died
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sowy but i mostly agreed with mary-jane 8)
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Pac is NOT Overrated. Hell nah.
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ya'll say that his first albums were classics, isn't that the same with peeps like nas, then they start to fall off. 2pac jus didn't have a long enough life time to fall off, that's why peeps only judge him from the stuff that he did. same thing happened to jay z (i don't like nas or jay z but i know they got a lot of fans from when they were good and new fan's from their new shit. the same thing that woulda probz. happened to 2pac)
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2pac- The Greatest rapper of all time, my reasons........
1. his lyrics were not simple, they were really no metaphors, and it send a powerful message, wether u agreed with it or not. also amazing flow
2. How many people has he touched with all his deep songs?? he made my homegirl feel better with some songs.
3. Maybe he really wasnt living the thug life, he made it seem like he did. and some people could relate to him.
4. people STILL talk about him 6 years after his death.
5. If Snoop died right after doggfather. I would not consider him the GOAT. Where i live it at, basically when u hear snoop, its mostly to chill. but when u woudl listen to 2pac rapping it would touch some, not some but ALOT of people. Unless snoop touched u deeply with Gin and Juice, lol
6. I doubt 2pac would have fallen off....he basically was gettin better after every cd.
7. if u was to ask everybody in L.A 85-90 percent of Hip hop fans they would call 2pac as the best rapper of all time not cuz he is dead. cuz somehow they see his music as not only sumthing to bump to but something to hear and apreciate deeply
Its cool that u say 2pac is overated but sometimes rhymes arent everything in hip hop, its deeper and 2pac showed how u can turn rhymes into feelings and deep thoughts.
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2pac- The Greatest rapper of all time, my reasons........
rhymes arent everything in hip hop, its deeper and 2pac showed how u can turn rhymes into feelings and deep thoughts.
need he say more
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2pac- The Greatest rapper of all time, my reasons........
1. his lyrics were not simple, they were really no metaphors, and it send a powerful message, wether u agreed with it or not. also amazing flow
2. How many people has he touched with all his deep songs?? he made my homegirl feel better with some songs.
3. Maybe he really wasnt living the thug life, he made it seem like he did. and some people could relate to him.
4. people STILL talk about him 6 years after his death.
5. If Snoop died right after doggfather. I would not consider him the GOAT. Where i live it at, basically when u hear snoop, its mostly to chill. but when u woudl listen to 2pac rapping it would touch some, not some but ALOT of people. Unless snoop touched u deeply with Gin and Juice, lol
6. I doubt 2pac would have fallen off....he basically was gettin better after every cd.
7. if u was to ask everybody in L.A 85-90 percent of Hip hop fans they would call 2pac as the best rapper of all time not cuz he is dead. cuz somehow they see his music as not only sumthing to bump to but something to hear and apreciate deeply
Its cool that u say 2pac is overated but sometimes rhymes arent everything in hip hop, its deeper and 2pac showed how u can turn rhymes into feelings and deep thoughts.
I totally agree. You cant use the word "overrated" with the one who is considered the GOAT. Use it for rappers who still got a huge fan base but that aint making good music from years (no names, but u know what i'm talking about), lol!
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3. Maybe he really wasnt living the thug life, he made it seem like he did. and some people could relate to him.
4. people STILL talk about him 6 years after his death.
5. If Snoop died right after doggfather. I would not consider him the GOAT. Where i live it at, basically when u hear snoop, its mostly to chill. but when u woudl listen to 2pac rapping it would touch some, not some but ALOT of people. Unless snoop touched u deeply with Gin and Juice, lol
6. I doubt 2pac would have fallen off....he basically was gettin better after every cd.
7. if u was to ask everybody in L.A 85-90 percent of Hip hop fans they would call 2pac as the best rapper of all time not cuz he is dead. cuz somehow they see his music as not only sumthing to bump to but something to hear and apreciate deeply
Its cool that u say 2pac is overated but sometimes rhymes arent everything in hip hop, its deeper and 2pac showed how u can turn rhymes into feelings and deep thoughts.
ya say that he wasn't really a thug , that it was just an image, but nowadays ya'll calling nelly or ja rule fake cause the acting the same, ::)
people still talk about him, so whut , they still talk about eazy -e and the others, that don't mean shit
#5 you said "I" mean it's your opignion , but on the real people would regonize the realnest
#6 gettin bette after every cd..... until the ends of time was and album from makavelli periof and it didn'T impressed me that much , and the next one neither
i doubt that but i can't really talk about it , i live in montreal
i'm not sayin that pac is overated because of his music, his music is the shit , but as the person , people consifer pac as a god or some, that'S a martyr... people were affect when they heard his death, that why is overated , in he was still alive , and big was dead, people would call big the goat.... thats how it is , i ain't makin no shit
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ya say that he wasn't really a thug , that it was just an image, but nowadays ya'll calling nelly or ja rule fake cause the acting the same
I dont call them fake , i call them wack ass hell
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I'll have u know that Gin & Juice Touched me where no song has touched me b4. And So did Serial Killa. lol.
Most Tru 2pac fans are from the west and most Tru biggy fans are from the East
but who, If died whenever when they were at their peak, would get EVERYONE's love?!?!? It would have to be someone that doesn't rep where their from, that's why westcoast don't sell that well, cuz peeps on the east don't wanna hear 'WEST SIDE' all the time. Ya'll noticed that EAstcoast rappers don't rep the east half as much as the west...
personally i think the one person that would get most love from everyone is probz Eminem (I Don't like him but u have to agree, that's probz the one person that would, if died now, be classed as the greatest of all time)
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personally i think the one person that would get most love from everyone is probz Eminem (I Don't like him but u have to agree, that's probz the one person that would, if died now, be classed as the greatest of all time)
Just listenin to Summer Time - Fresh Prince, He's another person that i think should be the GOAT....Jus because of this song. It's the only song by him i like but i can listen to it anywhere and just imagin bein in the sun and chillin...Lol, Shit, The fuck am i talkin bout, Will smith ain't shit!
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personally i think the one person that would get most love from everyone is probz Eminem (I Don't like him but u have to agree, that's probz the one person that would, if died now, be classed as the greatest of all time)
lol u really think if Em was to die today. Tommorow fans were to call him the GOAT?
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#6 gettin bette after every cd..... until the ends of time was and album from makavelli periof and it didn'T impressed me that much , and the next one neither
Hmmm. It's funny because most of the songs released after his death were left overs that he didn't want to be on his albums.
2Pacalypse Now - Good album.
Strictly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - Good album.
Me Against The World - Certified classic.
All Eyez On Me - Certified classic.
The 7 Day Theory - Certified classic.
Yes it seems like he was falling off and his albums were getting much worse.
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people still talk about him, so whut , they still talk about eazy -e and the others, that don't mean shit
yea but people talk about 2pac as being the best...STILL i hardly hear people say Eazy E was the GOAT
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lol u really think if Em was to die today. Tommorow fans were to call him the GOAT?
He's the one rapper that's caused the most up roar in Hip hop in a long time. Mostly cuz he's white and actually quite good at rapping. shame he can't rap about either interestin stuff or go the political way...oh well, we can only hope he changes
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ya'll say that his first albums were classics, isn't that the same with peeps like nas, then they start to fall off. 2pac jus didn't have a long enough life time to fall off, that's why peeps only judge him from the stuff that he did. same thing happened to jay z (i don't like nas or jay z but i know they got a lot of fans from when they were good and new fan's from their new shit. the same thing that woulda probz. happened to 2pac)
Pac best stuff came out right b4 his death, his first few albums were good, but he improved wit each album, an how many rappers can claim to have dropped 3 straight classic's in a row. Pac is undoubtly tha GOAT, why all of sudden is every1 tryin to discredit pac, is it b/c of all tha snoop bashin lately. No other rapper has made music that has touched me tha way 2pac did, no other rapper has ever made music wit tha emotion an conviction that 2pac has. He is on another level. So what if b4 pac died no1 called him tha GOAT, b4 his death there never really was a certified GOAT. If method man died in 96 like some1 else said, he would of not been tha considered tha GOAT, he may of dropped a classic as a group, but he never dropped a solo classic, tical is a great album but no classic. And tha Reason Pac an BIggie are considered tha Goats is b/c, u dont fully realize what u got/had untill its gone
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Just listenin to Summer Time - Fresh Prince, He's another person that i think should be the GOAT....Jus because of this song. It's the only song by him i like but i can listen to it anywhere and just imagin bein in the sun and chillin...Lol, Shit, The fuck am i talkin bout, Will smith ain't shit!
one song dont make a GOAT
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one song dont make a GOAT
Please Keep up, that was sarcasm, I shoulda left that post for people who got a Degree in Noticing Sarcasm
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Please Keep up, that was sarcasm, I shoulda left that post for people who got a Degree in Noticing Sarcasm
Bye. Hahahaha ;D
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I just know before his death, and after All Eyez On Me, 2Pac was called the GOAT by most people in my area of Cali. He had a bigger fan base than Snoop and Dre of '93 and every word he spoke, you'd think people were listening to Jesus. That's no overstatement, people forget what it was like when 'Pac was alive. Personally, Me Against the World did it for me. I heard him on the radio, but after Pain on Above the Rim, I had to get his next album. Got Me Against The World, I knew I was listening to the best. All Eyez On Me confirmed it, and Makaveli removed any doubts. 'Pac was the GOAT, at least in westcoast peoples minds, before his untimly death. Let the man rest, and pay respects to the last great westcoast king, and the Don of rap. Peace.
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ha ha , c'mon in doggystyle time , people tought about pac more then snoop and dre lol
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Do u know what kills hip-hop? It’s the Pac and biggie incident, because before that people would fuck with anybody east coast west cost, from NWA to RUN-DMC, but since Pac came and started this eastcoast-westcoast war, hip hop begins to fall to that commercial status we are now, til’ the day those days, classic was dropping from everywhere it was all about love, and look at the result now ::)
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Do u know what kills hip-hop? It’s the Pac and biggie incident, because before that people would fuck with anybody east coast west cost, from NWA to RUN-DMC, but since Pac came and started this eastcoast-westcoast war, hip hop begins to fall to that commercial status we are now, til’ the day those days, classic was dropping from everywhere it was all about love, and look at the result now ::)
the MEDIA made it that way oh and M dogg was talkin about comparing the popularity but not in the same year and i have to agree with M dogg, cuz thats how it was in L.A
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the MEDIA made it that way
i really don'T think so, and i really don'T thin that bet or cnn ask tupac to hit biggie with a hit em up, and biggie ( or someone else) to shot on pac...
and do u live in L.A ??? , how u know it was like that, u saw some movies
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Do u know what kills hip-hop? It’s the Pac and biggie incident, because before that people would fuck with anybody east coast west cost, from NWA to RUN-DMC, but since Pac came and started this eastcoast-westcoast war, hip hop begins to fall to that commercial status we are now, til’ the day those days, classic was dropping from everywhere it was all about love, and look at the result now ::)
That is totally false. Right now there are more people collaborating from each coast more than before. N.W.A. and Run DMC never collabed together. Did the majority of East Coast cats collab with West Coast niggaz back in '95? HELL FUCKING NO! Now you got Snoop on Wu-Tang's album for God's sake. Pac didn't start the East/West beef either he just escalated it. Death Row started it. You got your timelines mixed up. Before Hip Hop was separated and Hip Hop was putting out classics. Now Hip Hop is all love and classics hardly drop.
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Do u know what kills hip-hop? It’s the Pac and biggie incident, because before that people would fuck with anybody east coast west cost, from NWA to RUN-DMC, but since Pac came and started this eastcoast-westcoast war, hip hop begins to fall to that commercial status we are now, til’ the day those days, classic was dropping from everywhere it was all about love, and look at the result now ::)
so your tryin to turn this around om 2pac sayin he is tha reason why rap sucks now, what do u have against him, He did not start tha eastcoast westcoast war. If anything it was tha media, suge an you idol snoop dogg. Slickk remember tha 95 source awards, ny aint got no love for snoop doggy dogg an dr.dre. Snoop dogg is jus as guilty, remember tha ny,ny video. They say that wasnt a diss but when there stompin down buildings, as a new yorker thats a diss. You sound like a person brainwashed by tha media. Look at pac, strictly 4 my niggaz, had an eastcoast feel to it even though he claimed cali through out it. MATW, tha track oldschool showed much love to New York an what they did for rap. On AEOM, during tha eastcoast westcoast war, he had 2 of tha bigger eastcoast stars on his album, method man an redman
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That is totally false.
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and no one wanna work with the east like u be sayin, it's snoop who 's tryin to get em back like it was before but it never will, the east even doing war east to east so ...even snoop got some problem to make it happen so i really don't think u gonna see this happening soon,and u said that death row start the beef, it may be snoop with the 1995 even but it's mostly about pac, he was the rebel always attacking the east ....
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i really don'T think so, and i really don'T thin that bet or cnn ask tupac to hit biggie with a hit em up, and biggie ( or someone else) to shot on pac...
and do u live in L.A ??? , how u know it was like that, u saw some movies
well my cousins told me alot and yea i do live in L.A
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so your tryin to turn this around om 2pac sayin he is tha reason why rap sucks now, what do u have against him, He did not start tha eastcoast westcoast war. If anything it was tha media, suge an you idol snoop dogg. Slickk remember tha 95 source awards, ny aint got no love for snoop doggy dogg an dr.dre. Snoop dogg is jus as guilty, remember tha ny,ny video. They say that wasnt a diss but when there stompin down buildings, as a new yorker thats a diss. You sound like a person brainwashed by tha media. Look at pac, strictly 4 my niggaz, had an eastcoast feel to it even though he claimed cali through out it. MATW, tha track oldschool showed much love to New York an what they did for rap. On AEOM, during tha eastcoast westcoast war, he had 2 of tha bigger eastcoast stars on his album, method man an redman
nigga pleez, like i said in my last post, it may be snoop but it's mostly because of pac, nuff said ::)
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oh , and tom , would u like to be call a dickrider :D , u doin the same fuckin thing i'm doing , and ya dare calling me a dickrider , nigga pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
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oh , and tom , would u like to be call a dickrider :D , u doin the same fuckin thing i'm doing , and ya dare calling me a dickrider , nigga pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
nah slickk cuz i atleast can admit pac has put of some wack stuff. Whats your phone # a lot of his postmonthous stuff. Unlike u who agrees wit anything snoop says or does. You are tha only person i know that thinks tha da game is a hot album. An go ahead call me a dickrider, i be a groupie of a rapper that actually cared about his music than a rapper that survives off his past an does not care about tha quality of music
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nigga pleez, like i said in my last post, it may be snoop but it's mostly because of pac, nuff said ::)
hows it mostly pac, b/c he had beef wit a couple of eastcoast rappers. Even though had beef wit a lot of rappers on tha east he still showed love to some east coast rappers. Hell snoop had a video where him a DPG destroyed nyc. Tha one thing i gotta give snoop credit for is, he realized that tha beef was gettin to serious he saw he needed to step outta of it. Suptin Pac didnt realize. Now if i was a Pac dickrider would i admit that, if u wanna see a real Pac dickrider go to tha Hitemup boards, they make me look like a casual listener
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nop
and no one wanna work with the east like u be sayin, it's snoop who 's tryin to get em back like it was before but it never will, the east even doing war east to east so ...even snoop got some problem to make it happen so i really don't think u gonna see this happening soon,and u said that death row start the beef, it may be snoop with the 1995 even but it's mostly about pac, he was the rebel always attacking the east ....
Like it was before? LOL! Before Pac died the EAST and WEST never worked together. After his and B.I.G.'s death that is when they stopped all the hatred. Snoop isn't the only one working with the East. Daz, Kurupt, Dre, Ice Cube, Ras Kass, Xzibit, and most of the West Coast works with the East now. It is more love now in 2002 than it was before 1996.
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You are tha only person i know that thinks tha da game is a hot album.
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well, lol u don't know me , and u don'T know many people then, just look at bpg, this man right here was introduce to snoop by this album, mean it ain't shit like u think , and some people on this board, and some on other board, naww people outside board should i say , they all luv da game, like i said befor , u hatin cause most people hate on it, it's aight to have a different opignion dogg, u won't be a reject fo this
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hows it mostly pac, b/c he had beef wit a couple of eastcoast rappers. Even though had beef wit a lot of rappers on tha east he still showed love to some east coast rappers.
::) u don't even know what u're writting
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::) u don't even know what u're writting
Rappers Pac had beef with from the East:
Nas
Jay-Z
B.I.G.
LL Cool J
Mobb Deep
Puffy
Rappers Pac was cool with from the East:
Treach
Redman
Big Daddy Kane
Method Man
Busta Rhymes
Smif N Wessun
Buckshot
Greg Nice
Hmm tom187um seems to know what he's writing.
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Like it was before? LOL! Before Pac died the EAST and WEST never worked together. After his and B.I.G.'s death that is when they stopped all the hatred. Snoop isn't the only one working with the East. Daz, Kurupt, Dre, Ice Cube, Ras Kass, Xzibit, and most of the West Coast works with the East now. It is more love now in 2002 than it was before 1996.
the affiliate work with the eas cause the saw that snoop was giving the exemple, and pac and big's death didn't end the war dogg, snoop recently said , i think it was last year, well he said that eastcoast where bitches cause they didn't play there's music , and because someone sue him for sampling a beat, this was the interview wih bad azz, snoop who's showin exemples say this , so it shows u how hypocrite it was...for me , the war just end , like middle 2001.. they start workin each other, and all , but thats just the first step....
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people have different opinions. Pac was never close to my GOAT, but he may have been for others. He's dead, let the man RIP.
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::) u don't even know what u're writting
looks whos talkin, your a future customer of hooked on phonics. And even big Bpg said when he first heard da game he wasnt impressed, he said he didnt really get into snoop till he heard his older work, slickk, honestly, whats wit all this hate on pac, is it b/c every1 has finally admitted to bein pissed off at snoop so ur wanna take some of tha negative attention off a snoop
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Rappers Pac had beef with from the East:
Nas
Jay-Z
B.I.G.
LL Cool J
Mobb Deep
Puffy
Rappers Pac was cool with from the East:
Treach
Redman
Big Daddy Kane
Method Man
Busta Rhymes
Smif N Wessun
Buckshot
Greg Nice
Hmm tom187um seems to know what he's writing.
so , just look at your first list, tell me ONE other person on the west who had so many enemies, c'mon now
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, slickk, honestly, whats wit all this hate on pac, is it b/c every1 has finally admitted to bein pissed off at snoop so ur wanna take some of tha negative attention off a snoop
look , i don't know why u tryin to play the smart ass, but i don't give a fuck about what u sayin.... and every time I had a opignion different from the other, some other peeps where down with me, mean dat i ain'T the only one who thinks like that, now u gonna say that we all dickriders, but who cares.... ::)
look how ya'll gettin all excited when one only ONE person talk bas against pac, but when i'm doing this , the exact same fuckin thing, ya'll say that i'm tryin desesparetly to save snoop or bullshits like that, well like i said before , u can't talk about shit u didn'T live , u living the same fuckin thing i was living, and that i still live but i don'T care no mo... so talk , talk people
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look , i don't know why u tryin to play the smart ass, but i don't give a fuck about what u sayin.... and every time I had a opignion different from the other, some other peeps where down with me, mean dat i ain'T the only one who thinks like that, now u gonna say that we all dickriders, but who cares.... ::)
look how ya'll gettin all excited when one only ONE person talk bas against pac, but when i'm doing this , the exact same fuckin thing, ya'll say that i'm tryin desesparetly to save snoop or bullshits like that, well like i said before , u can't talk about shit u didn'T live , u living the same fuckin thing i was living, and that i still live but i don'T care no mo... so talk , talk people
slickk people call u a snoop dickrider b/c u have never ever talked negativly about snoop, u have never said he has come out wit a wack song, u have never disagreed wit anything he is done, that is why we call u a dickrider
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slickk people call u a snoop dickrider b/c u have never ever talked negativly about snoop, u have never said he has come out wit a wack song, u have never disagreed wit anything he is done, that is why we call u a dickrider
well ya'll most have been on weed and didn't pay attention to whut i said sometime but i do say that i didn't like more then one thing about snoop, dawm , u acting like i only live for snoop, , i'm on this board to talk about music , and every 2 minutes theres a post about snoop, whut do u want me to do, sit back and watch people talk, c'mon
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well ya'll most have been on weed and didn't pay attention to whut i said sometime but i do say that i didn't like more then one thing about snoop, dawm , u acting like i only live for snoop, , i'm on this board to talk about music , and every 2 minutes theres a post about snoop, whut do u want me to do, sit back and watch people talk, c'mon
nah, jus say one negative thing about snoop, rather it be a wack song, or a poor decision. Theres has to be one thing u disagree wit what snoop has done, u do this an i'll drop all this shit
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nah, jus say one negative thing about snoop, rather it be a wack song, or a poor decision. Theres has to be one thing u disagree wit what snoop has done, u do this an i'll drop all this shit
nigga pleez, it's like if u wanted my friend to say the micheal jackson is gay..... i won't diss snoop cause u say so, if someone talkshit about him , and have some good arguments, i'll agree fo sho, but just like that , ah ah
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so , just look at your first list, tell me ONE other person on the west who had so many enemies, c'mon now
So that wasn't the point. You said tom187um didn't know what he was writing but he did. Pac had just as many freinds on the East than enemies. C'mon now...
Snoop:
Eazy E
BG Knocc Out & Gangsta Dresta
Luke
Suge Knight & Death Row
Above The Law & Kokane [Used to be enemies]
Mobb Deep [Remember L.A.,L.A.]
Capone & Noreaga [Remember L.A.,L.A.]
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Why are u trying to make slick Degrade Snoop??? So what if he's a bigger fan then u are (Tom), Get off his Nuutz...
personally i think Hip hop in general coulda done without 2Pac Or Biggy. Hip hop was goin well enough b4 those 2 came on the scene.
i cud think of 20 rappers that, imo, are a LOT better then 2pac, so jus cuz someone thinks that 2pac ain't the GOAT why u gotta start preachin to them sayin that he is?!?!
2pac shuda stuck to Dancin and Biggy shuda stuck to eatin....that's my word!!! Peace,
We'll have no more talk of the matter!!!
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nigga pleez, it's like if u wanted my friend to say the micheal jackson is gay..... i won't diss snoop cause u say so, if someone talkshit about him , and have some good arguments, i'll agree fo sho, but just like that , ah ah
forget this, this is a dead end argument, snoop could make a cd of himself takin a shit for an hour an slickk would say it was hot, an big props to westcoastvet fro showin slickk snoop had jus as many enemies as pac
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So that wasn't the point. You said tom187um didn't know what he was writing but he did. Pac had just as many freinds on the East than enemies. C'mon now...
Snoop:
Eazy E
BG Knocc Out & Gangsta Dresta
Luke
Suge Knight & Death Row
Above The Law & Kokane [Used to be enemies]
Mobb Deep [Remember L.A.,L.A.]
Capone & Noreaga [Remember L.A.,L.A.]
::), why do u try to make me look like a stupid, i said east-coast west coast war, most of what u list are from west, and mobb , deep , he diss em once but right after they did a track together naww?, even if not, he still had less enemies...
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I agree with both sides of the arguments here
All of y'all bring up some good points
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Why are u trying to make slick Degrade Snoop??? So what if he's a bigger fan then u are (Tom), Get off his Nuutz...
personally i think Hip hop in general coulda done without 2Pac Or Biggy. Hip hop was goin well enough b4 those 2 came on the scene.
i cud think of 20 rappers that, imo, are a LOT better then 2pac, so jus cuz someone thinks that 2pac ain't the GOAT why u gotta start preachin to them sayin that he is?!?!
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amen , lord have mercy
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an big props to westcoastvet fro showin slickk snoop had jus as many enemies as pac
bla bla bla, and most are them are from the west, pac enemie were mostly , or all from the east , that was my point ::)
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I agree with both sides of the arguments here
All of y'all bring up some good points
yeah, there's arguments from both side, thats what i'm tryin to say , and tom bitch on me cause he thinks that i hate pac lol
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::), why do u try to make me look like a stupid, i said east-coast west coast war, most of what u list are from west, and mobb , deep , he diss em once but right after they did a track together naww?, even if not, he still had less enemies...
I'm not trying to make you look stupid homie. I'm not beefing with you. I'm just here to have a discussion. Anyways you said this "tell me ONE other person on the west who had so many enemies" so I posted someone from the West who had as many enemies. I don't recall you saying that the enemies have to be from a certain coast. Snoop had just as much enemies. Count both sides. They both have about seven artists that they had beef with.
Mobb Deep dissed Snoop/Tha Dogg Pound and only did a track with him five years later in 2000. Nas and Pac made peace before Pac died. Nas says this and even Pac's followers the Outlawz have said this.
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yeah, there's arguments from both side, thats what i'm tryin to say , and tom bitch on me cause he thinks that i hate pac lol
Is it a crime to hate on pac? cuz personally i don't think i like him, He ain't a kinda guy i'd like to have a meal with or go paintballin with! I don't like that kids Attitude, 'THUG-LIFE' Who's he kiddin??? he had millions! I'm more of a thug then he ever was on death row (and i'm white and from England) so i got no respect for the guy, i got more respect for Will Smith playin his role in Independance day! lol
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personally i don't think i like him, He ain't a kinda guy i'd like to have a meal with or go paintballin with! I don't like that kids Attitude, Who's he kiddin???
That's exactly how I feel about Eminem.
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I'm not trying to make you look stupid homie. I'm not beefing with you. I'm just here to have a discussion. Anyways you said this "tell me ONE other person on the west who had so many enemies" so I posted someone from the West who had as many enemies. I don't recall you saying that the enemies have to be from a certain coast. Snoop had just as much enemies. Count both sides. They both have about seven artists that they had beef with.
Mobb Deep dissed Snoop/Tha Dogg Pound and only did a track with him five years later in 2000. Nas and Pac made peace before Pac died. Nas says this and even Pac's followers the Outlawz have said this.
true , my bad i didn'T precise enough
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Is it a crime to hate on pac? cuz personally i don't think i like him, He ain't a kinda guy i'd like to have a meal with or go paintballin with! I don't like that kids Attitude, 'THUG-LIFE' Who's he kiddin??? he had millions! I'm more of a thug then he ever was on death row (and i'm white and from England) so i got no respect for the guy, i got more respect for Will Smith playin his role in Independance day! lol
another aspect of the point, like the hommie said upside, pac had an image that was totally fake , and people call him god , snoop was a real crip and people call him fake, what's the deal ???
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another aspect of the point, like the hommie said upside, pac had an image that was totally fake , and people call him god , snoop was a real crip and people call him fake, what's the deal ???
- Pac sold rocks when he was young.
- Pac fought almost every week when he was young. He never backed down to a fight.
- There was a time before Tupac was famous when he found out that there was a group of people pissed off and looking for him, so he went home put on his vest, strapped himself with every gun he had, knocked on the door of the people that were looking for him and said "Are you looking for me!". Apparently someone in Tupac's family put out word to make sure nothing happened to him, but they thought he was a crazy motherf*cker and respected him for it. [HitEmUp.com]
- Pac shot a cop in the ass and abdomen in '95.
- Pac fucked up the directors of Menace II Society
- King Tut the leader of the gang that robbed Pac in New York mysteriously died a few months after the incident.
- 2Pac ran with Latin Kings at Rikers Island.
- Pac beat the shit outta Orlando Anderson
Both Pac and Snoop are not fake.
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- Pac sold rocks when he was young.
- Pac fought almost every week when he was young. He never backed down to a fight. [Everyone fights though but he never backed down so at least he got some heart]
- There was a time before Tupac was famous when he found out that there was a group of people pissed off and looking for him, so he went home put on his vest, strapped himself with every gun he had, knocked on the door of the people that were looking for him and said "Are you looking for me!". Apparently someone in Tupac's family put out word to make sure nothing happened to him, but they thought he was a crazy motherf*cker and respected him for it. [HitEmUp.com]
- Pac shot a cop in the ass and abdomen in '95.
- Pac fucked up the directors of Menace II Society
- King Tut the leader of the gang that robbed Pac in New York mysteriously died a few months after the incident.
- 2Pac ran with Latin Kings at Rikers Island.
- Pac beat the shit outta Orlando Anderson
Both Pac and Snoop are not fake.
once again , i didn't say that pac was fake, i was one of the only tha says he was gangbangin, but like some of ya'll said in another post, pac image was give by suge and all, so i take that shit and tell it here, but even now, pac was a gangbanger , snoop aslo was , so how come he's fake and pac's real.....doesn't make sens
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once again , i didn't say that pac was fake, i was one of the only tha says he was gangbangin, but like some of ya'll said in another post, pac image was give by suge and all, so i take that shit and tell it here, but even now, pac was a gangbanger , snoop aslo was , so how come he's fake and pac's real.....doesn't make sens
Pac wasn't a gangbanger. He never was in any gang. The only time that he MIGHT have been in a gang was the RUMOR that he joined Suge's Blood set M.O.B. Piru. Pac was shouting Thug Life three years before he met up with Suge Knight so this whole image thing is bullshit. Suge Knight probably did make Pac diss the East Coast and Dr. Dre though.
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So why do u lot rate 2pac so much if he's weak enough to let suge get to him?!?!?
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oh my bad, by gangbangin , i was talkin about thug shit , bangin then ;D
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So why do u lot rate 2pac so much if he's weak enough to let suge get to him?!?!?
Because Suge bailed his ass out for 1.4 million dollars therefore he owed Suge a whole lot. Plus that is a theory and no one really knows what went behind the scenes. Also I rate Pac highly for his music rather than his personal lifestyle. Dre is a fake ass gangsta but I respect him the most out of all the people in Hip Hop.
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Because Suge bailed his ass out for 1.4 million dollars therefore he owed Suge a whole lot. Plus that is a theory and no one really knows what went behind the scenes. Also I rate Pac highly for his music rather than his personal lifestyle. Dre is a fake ass gangsta but I respect him the most out of all the people in Hip Hop.
Fair Enuf
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Half the fans or even more were probz fans after he died though. Same would happen in any other big rapper at the time died
mayn you are on "one"
pac was already multi platinum on all his f#%in albums BEFORE he died
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- Pac sold rocks when he was young.
- Pac fought almost every week when he was young. He never backed down to a fight.
- There was a time before Tupac was famous when he found out that there was a group of people pissed off and looking for him, so he went home put on his vest, strapped himself with every gun he had, knocked on the door of the people that were looking for him and said "Are you looking for me!". Apparently someone in Tupac's family put out word to make sure nothing happened to him, but they thought he was a crazy motherf*cker and respected him for it. [HitEmUp.com]
- Pac shot a cop in the ass and abdomen in '95.
- Pac fucked up the directors of Menace II Society
- King Tut the leader of the gang that robbed Pac in New York mysteriously died a few months after the incident.
- 2Pac ran with Latin Kings at Rikers Island.
- Pac beat the shit outta Orlando Anderson
Both Pac and Snoop are not fake.
dats what im sayin vet. fools need to stop getting it twisted. PAC WAS A CERTIFIED SAVAGE
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So why do u lot rate 2pac so much if he's weak enough to let suge get to him?!?!?
dont forget that 1.4 million suge posted to get his ass out of jail...he was in no position to be tellin suge what he should or shouldnt do at that time
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Pac 2 me tried 2 hard 2 be real......he waz a fool in dat category imo.
He waz a certified instigator, he was alwayz tha one starting tha shit 2 raise his status as being real......
Dat 2 me is foolishness......
My motto has alwayz been "Harmless till touched"
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wasnt pac also a backup dancer before he started rappin?
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wasnt pac also a backup dancer before he started rappin?
Yeah for Digital Underground however all the members of the group were dancing in the background to the "Humpty Dance". Money B was doing it as well as the other members. Pac was a member so he had to dance to the song. That was the only song where all the members of D.U. danced because it was part of the show.
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yeah pac was a dancer for digital underground at that time
but okay to get back to the topic tupac ´will never fall off no matter what
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what made pac stand above tha rapperz of hiz time and tha time b4 him( AND after him as well), for me, iz not other than hiz artistic-supreme delivery-lyrical deepness....it doesn"t matter to me wheather he waz a thug or waz he some potensial revolutioner....or what topicz(tha topicz iz every rapperz choise, as yall know i believe) he talked bout(as long as he delivered them like he knowez too)....
it"z all bout tha way he used to deliver...he waz diffrend from rapperz dat used metaphores dat made tha song sharper at pointz but less consistent...he kinda let ya feel tha song....ya could get hiz massage and what made him wanna tell it...and you could "physicly" feel it (at least i could...lol) if he wouldn"t die...he would"ve ruled(sorry for tha dramatical lingo...lol) tha game...just like M.J waz considered tha king of pop...PAC would"ve been considered tha king of RAP....(still sorry...:))....may be(my lil theory...lol) preseptive mangerz and CEOz noticed dis potensial and eventually cauzed hiz death.
of course hiz death made hell lota people romantisize it...just like waz Elivisez death, just like waz Lenonz death....but
PAC waz and still iz above all that.....
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SliKk shut the fuck up, your always the first to jump on rappers/MC's we praise if they're not Snoop. 'Pac was THE REALEST out there, he always said what he felt, always, he never apologised for anything he said because he thought it was right, even if most of it was quite outrageous at times. He spoke for the people who nobody would really consider listening too, predominantly the poverty stricken black folx living in the ghetto's of america, he used his fame and art as a way to communicate to the world & let them know whats going on. As a rapper I wouldn't say he was so overrated because he had a purpose as an MC/rapper, he wanted to be heard & he had real messages (unlike most MC's that arise these days) that were clearly communicated through his rhymes, even if they were simplistic at times. So what if his fan base grew rapidly after his death, maybe these fans weren't in positions to hear his material when he was alive, in the UK for instance, hip-hop has only gotten huge here in the past few years. Just because you become a fan of someone later in their career doesn't make you any less of a fan. Well anyways everyones entitled to their own oppinion of whether or not 'Pac is the G.O.A.T but my oppinion is that he is.
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Slick you gotta be more objective
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man shut the fuck up y'all the fact is he may is the GOAT but this stup[id fuckin post explains that PAC WAS UNDERATED
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Why are u trying to make slick Degrade Snoop??? So what if he's a bigger fan then u are (Tom), Get off his Nuutz...
personally i think Hip hop in general coulda done without 2Pac Or Biggy. Hip hop was goin well enough b4 those 2 came on the scene.
i cud think of 20 rappers that, imo, are a LOT better then 2pac, so jus cuz someone thinks that 2pac ain't the GOAT why u gotta start preachin to them sayin that he is?!?!
2pac shuda stuck to Dancin and Biggy shuda stuck to eatin....that's my word!!! Peace,
We'll have no more talk of the matter!!!
damn ur not even a hip hop fan. u prefer 4-6 classic albums not to be realesed at all? Me against the world brought alot of rap fans, also All eyez on, and Ready 2 Die brought alot of hip hop fans too. Without 2pac and Biggie, hip hop would not be as big as it is today.
Oh yea name me 20 rappers that were better than pac in that time (Lyrically, Flow, Message, and worldplay)
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SliKk shut the fuck up, your always the first to jump on rappers/MC's we praise if they're not Snoop.
yo i think i heard yo momma callin you ealier today, she wants u to take a bath :-X
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Slick you gotta be more objective
i don't want to, even if i came out with some unbeatable fact, they will find a way to diss me , so i don't take time to explain shit
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even though i am top man pac fan...i really agree!! i only became a fan after he died...mainly cos of all the media coverage...think of it like this...was aaliya's name mentioned on any of the rap sites u visit b4 she died....no...i had neva even heard of her...and then all of a sudden she reaches numba 1 in uk?? hmmmm!! that's the same with pac i think...he got more publicity after he died...all ova tha news n shit...so more ppl notice him...so yea i agree...he is so overrated and so popular cos he is dead!!
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I think that 2pac is overrated only by media and fans that started liking him after he died. If you got MATW and AEOM and 7 Day Theory when they came out, they were amazing. If you get the cd's after he died, how do you know the real meaning of the cd's? I think everyone that started liking him after death made him overrated.
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yeah, he's only really big because he died. i mean, look how overrated mausburg, a couple members of the outlawz, and big pun have become after they died. i can't even walk down the street without someone saying something overrated about mausburg and how kadafi from the outlawz was a hip hop legend.
i can't believe someone actually came on here and typed this stuff.
it's pretty funny how you equate snoop dogg to the best mc of all time. you must be one of those guys that thinks the WNBA is better than the NBA.
::)
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man pac is the greatest....i mean look at all the work he did BEFORE his death....usually when rappers come out the FIRST TIME..they make a potential-classic album...(nas, wu-tang, jay-z, snoop, dre)....and then these same rappers have fallen off BIG many times or another, but lets look at pac...he came out with a very good album, another very good album, and then 3 potential classic albums in a ROW....NOBODY has done that in the rap industry so its like when people kept falling...pac kept improving and he is THE ONLY ONE that have done that....i can't recall anybody who has improved with every album....most of the rappers fall off...thats why pac is the greatest.....there is NOBODY that touched more lives than pac, all of his shit isn't about money, women, etc., its about reality, shit that REALLY happens, love, living the thug life, he is also a poet, a genius who can write a song in 10 minutes....(i know i can't prove that but 3984783924 rappers that worked with him says so it must be pretty true) not only he was the greatest of all time, he also has that legend image like elvis, kurt cobain......NOBODY in the rap game has that image...ya'll can hate all yall want but come on now....give the man his props and DON'T listen to any media about him since they were always talking about his law problems and other bullshit....oh yeah DON'T listen to slikk...don't listen to his ignorance...youre pretty ignorant when you say snoop is GOAT along with DMX pretty close to that and this faggot groupie said that AEOM was released AFTER HIS DEATH.... ::)
p.s. pac also didn't have the best lyrical skills but pretty close....and something special about him that nobody had was his shit was so understandable....he is the best at expressing himself and storytelling......peeps say biggie was best at storytelling??? youre crazy.....did biggie made songs like "brenda's got a baby?" "part-time mutha?" "words of wisdom?" "violent?" basically just listen to his 1st album man....you know what i'm talking about and not to mention "keep ya head up" "so many tears" i mean the fucking list goes on..
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it'S your opignio if u thought that every rapper , except for pac had fell off after the first ... look at dmx, just look at his sale, every album that he drop had begin at #1( yess you'll say that pac albums too, but not all, and if pac is so great , how the fuck can dmx be similar to pac , etc ), and people luv them , except for the haters, snoop i won't even talk ::), many rappers.. believe dat
yess tupac is a genius who can wrote a song in 10 minute, jay-z doin it ,em doin it, about every rapper can do that , and pac wasn't the greatest on freestyle, thats a fact
..... anyways
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man pac is the greatest....i mean look at all the work he did BEFORE his death....usually when rappers come out the FIRST TIME..they make a potential-classic album...(nas, wu-tang, jay-z, snoop, dre)....and then these same rappers have fallen off BIG many times or another, but lets look at pac...he came out with a very good album, another very good album, and then 3 potential classic albums in a ROW....NOBODY has done that in the rap industry so its like when people kept falling...pac kept improving and he is THE ONLY ONE that have done that....i can't recall anybody who has improved with every album....most of the rappers fall off...thats why pac is the greatest.....there is NOBODY that touched more lives than pac, all of his shit isn't about money, women, etc., its about reality, shit that REALLY happens, love, living the thug life, he is also a poet, a genius who can write a song in 10 minutes....(i know i can't prove that but 3984783924 rappers that worked with him says so it must be pretty true) not only he was the greatest of all time, he also has that legend image like elvis, kurt cobain......NOBODY in the rap game has that image...ya'll can hate all yall want but come on now....give the man his props and DON'T listen to any media about him since they were always talking about his law problems and other bullshit....oh yeah DON'T listen to slikk...don't listen to his ignorance...youre pretty ignorant when you say snoop is GOAT along with DMX pretty close to that and this faggot groupie said that AEOM was released AFTER HIS DEATH.... ::)
p.s. pac also didn't have the best lyrical skills but pretty close....and something special about him that nobody had was his shit was so understandable....he is the best at expressing himself and storytelling......peeps say biggie was best at storytelling??? youre crazy.....did biggie made songs like "brenda's got a baby?" "part-time mutha?" "words of wisdom?" "violent?" basically just listen to his 1st album man....you know what i'm talking about and not to mention "keep ya head up" "so many tears" i mean the fucking list goes on..
EXACTLY !! & the fans that jumped on the wagon after his death still wouldn't feel him & call him the G.O.A.T now if he wasn't worthy of it. & Slikk, quit bitchin', I think all of us know by now that you don't think 'Pac was the greatest, so there's no need to keep going on about it because you seem to be repeating yourself.
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EXACTLY !! & the fans that jumped on the wagon after his death still wouldn't feel him & call him the G.O.A.T now if he wasn't worthy of it. & Slikk, quit bitchin', I think all of us know by now that you don't think 'Pac was the greatest, so there's no need to keep going on about it because you seem to be repeating yourself.
wow ,you're so smart ::)
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I think Xzibit is the G.O.A.T.
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wow ,you're so smart ::)
Look, I don't wanna get personal so i'm not gonna reply or comment on your replies anymore in this thread 'cos I can see it leading to something personal on your part anyways.
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well, i don't want to get personal in here either. so let me just go ahead and say that anyone who would come in here and say that a guy like 2pac is overrated, that guy's brain is overrated. ;D
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well, i don't want to get personal in here either. so let me just go ahead and say that anyone who would come in here and say that a guy like 2pac is overrated, that guy's brain is overrated. ;D
lol, this foo
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Look, I don't wanna get personal so i'm not gonna reply or comment on your replies anymore in this thread 'cos I can see it leading to something personal on your part anyways.
bitch shut the fuck up !! , u the one calling me names and telling me to shut the fuck up , and now u talkin your shit, well if u don'T want beef don't talkshit on no one then, bitch
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bitch shut the fuck up !! , u the one calling me names and telling me to shut the fuck up , and now u talkin your shit, well if u don'T want beef don't talkshit on no one then, bitch
LOL @ you. I'm going against all I said in my last post, but fuck it. I didn't call you names, i'm past the primary school age now, I left that behind then. All I was basically saying is your just repeating yourself with your views. I don't want beef & I havn't talk shit on anyone, you just read too much into replies, your the one stressing here.
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my bad, i just remark that i took your for tom, still u were always in my case , in everyone of your post in this topic....
Slikk, quit bitchin'… in other words, I’m a bitch
SliKk shut the fuck up, your always the first to jump on rappers/MC's we praise if they're not Snoop….. u know u wrong, look at this post, I’m a the first one to reply ???
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Aight man, sorry if you took offence to anything I said, maybe I came off a bit strong to you, but anyways like I said I don't wanna get personal so lets just drop this, k?
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Aight man, sorry if you took offence to anything I said, maybe I came off a bit strong to you, but anyways like I said I don't wanna get personal so lets just drop this, k?
yeah aight , kool
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pac was the best in my minbd no doubt even befo his death. it just hurts as a big west coast fan that a thread sayin pac was overated comes up and everyone ready to agree with it....damn
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damn this post is goin to 100 replies
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Let me just put it like this. In the rest of the nation, 'Pac wasn't heard of until his death... what ever, that holds no weight to me. Here in the L.A./Southern California area, 'Pac was almost God before his death. Everyone threw up westside when 'Pac was alive, everyone pumped So Many Tears when Me Against The World came out, everyone cried to Dear Mama, and when All Eyez On Me came out, why do you think it sold 6 million before his death, even as a double disc, that's 3 million, plus the fact the double disc were 25 at the time so it was like buying 2 disc. People loved 'Pac before his death. Some of you are too young to remember, hell, maybe it was just a Cali thing, But I heard people say 'Pac was the greatest since Me Against the World, so I'm not tripping on this subject no more. I just say let the man rest in peace, and don't speak unkindly of the dead.
In the rest of the nation, were I'm at now, I don't care if 'Pac didn't play next to all that commercial shit they play on the radio until his death, he still was the GOAT in Cali.
And to all my Cali folks, were I'm from and live when I'm not in college, you know who the GOAT is. Fuck the rest of the nation and their no knowing opinions if they ain't going to leave there little shell. I done left mine and listen to Biggie, and Jigga, and Nas, and Rakim, and KRS-One, and many others that have any claim to GOAT, up to LL, Chuck D and Big Daddy Kane. I can say with everything I got 'Pac was the greatest. Some may have other views, but don't be closed minded, because you miss so much. Some one lock this thread.
Peace
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Let me just put it like this. In the rest of the nation, 'Pac wasn't heard of until his death... what ever, that holds no weight to me. Here in the L.A./Southern California area, 'Pac was almost God before his death. Everyone threw up westside when 'Pac was alive, everyone pumped So Many Tears when Me Against The World came out, everyone cried to Dear Mama, and when All Eyez On Me came out, why do you think it sold 6 million before his death, even as a double disc, that's 3 million, plus the fact the double disc were 25 at the time so it was like buying 2 disc. People loved 'Pac before his death. Some of you are too young to remember, hell, maybe it was just a Cali thing, But I heard people say 'Pac was the greatest since Me Against the World, so I'm not tripping on this subject no more. I just say let the man rest in peace, and don't speak unkindly of the dead.
In the rest of the nation, were I'm at now, I don't care if 'Pac didn't play next to all that commercial shit they play on the radio until his death, he still was the GOAT in Cali.
And to all my Cali folks, were I'm from and live when I'm not in college, you know who the GOAT is. Fuck the rest of the nation and their no knowing opinions if they ain't going to leave there little shell. I done left mine and listen to Biggie, and Jigga, and Nas, and Rakim, and KRS-One, and many others that have any claim to GOAT, up to LL, Chuck D and Big Daddy Kane. I can say with everything I got 'Pac was the greatest. Some may have other views, but don't be closed minded, because you miss so much. Some one lock this thread.
Peace
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and here in L.A people STILL bump so many tears
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hmmm, the way i see it,
most of the peeps who hardly call pac the "GOAT" are from the west, and anywhere else people think different
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hmmm, the way i see it,
most of the peeps who hardly call pac the "GOAT" are from the west, and anywhere else people think different
thats how it basically is in NY everybody call biggie the goat over there
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thats how it basically is in NY everybody call biggie the goat over there
see
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West Coast- Bigg Snoop Dogg
East Coast - Nas
South Coast - Scarface
Midwest-?
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West Coast- Bigg Snoop Dogg
East Coast - Nas
South Coast - Scarface
Midwest-?
Midwest- Lil Bow Wow!
one of the best lines ever "fish, which is my favorite dish" U gotta love that rhyme
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West Coast- Bigg Snoop Dogg
East Coast - Nas
South Coast - Scarface
Midwest-?
to every1 that thinks snoop is tha goat, what has he done since 95-96 that is so special. An even on tha east, Pac gets loads of love to, sure not as much as BIG, but he gets as much props, except from tha pac haters
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West Coast- Bigg Snoop Dogg
East Coast - Nas
South Coast - Scarface
Midwest-?
Yeah that's how it is NOW. Eminem is the MC the MidWest ride the most.
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West Coast- Bigg Snoop Dogg
East Coast - Nas
South Coast - Scarface
Midwest-?
Holdin it down rite now commercially Nelly.
BUT tha best from midwest will alwayz be Bone Thugs n Harmony, Eminem and Tech n9ine
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it'S your opignio if u thought that every rapper , except for pac had fell off after the first ... look at dmx, just look at his sale, every album that he drop had begin at #1( yess you'll say that pac albums too, but not all, and if pac is so great , how the fuck can dmx be similar to pac , etc ), and people luv them , except for the haters, snoop i won't even talk ::), many rappers.. believe dat
yess tupac is a genius who can wrote a song in 10 minute, jay-z doin it ,em doin it, about every rapper can do that , and pac wasn't the greatest on freestyle, thats a fact
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man you reallly need to get you head out of your ASS..if you think dmx is great for selling records then i guess nelly, eminem and ja fool should be the GOAT since they sell the most records right????? ::) and don't ever compared that whack ass no talent who only barks and say "what!!!" on every track of the album to pac.....thats like comparing craig elho to michael jordan....
and NO youre so ignorant for saying that EVERY rapper can write their shit in 10 minutes??? for your imformation half of the rappers these days DON'T even write their shit so get your facts straight dogg....and yeah jay-z and emniem might write their shit in 10 minutes or whatever but look at their records and look at pac's records.....its self-explantory....and i know pac wasn't the best in freestyle......he was actually far from that department...so whats your point???? ::)
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man you reallly need to get you head out of your ASS..if you think dmx is great for selling records then i guess nelly, eminem and ja fool should be the GOAT since they sell the most records right????? ::) and don't ever compared that whack ass no talent who only barks and say "what!!!" on every track of the album to pac.....thats like comparing craig elho to michael jordan....
and NO youre so ignorant for saying that EVERY rapper can write their shit in 10 minutes??? for your imformation half of the rappers these days DON'T even write their shit so get your facts straight dogg....and yeah jay-z and emniem might write their shit in 10 minutes or whatever but look at their records and look at pac's records.....its self-explantory....and i know pac wasn't the best in freestyle......he was actually far from that department...so whats your point???? ::)
word, even kurupt an biggie said when it came to writing songs pac was amazing, kurupt said it took pac a day 2 write a 3 songs, kurupt said about himself that pac would get pissed off tha kurupt could only do 3 songs a week at tha most a week. Biggie said one time pac went into tha bathroom to take a shit, 15 minetes later he came out wit a full song.
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man you reallly need to get you head out of your ASS..if you think dmx is great for selling records then i guess nelly, eminem and ja fool should be the GOAT since they sell the most records right????? ::) and don't ever compared that whack ass no talent who only barks and say "what!!!" on every track of the album to pac.....thats like comparing craig elho to michael jordan....
and NO youre so ignorant for saying that EVERY rapper can write their shit in 10 minutes??? for your imformation half of the rappers these days DON'T even write their shit so get your facts straight dogg....and yeah and look at pac's records.....its self-explantory....and i know pac wasn't the best in freestyle......he was actually far from that department...so whats your point???? ::)
::) anyways im'a just say some that u misunderstood, i said that dmx was selling good and people luv their album, did i talk about nelly or em, pleez and u said that most of theses cat right now doesn't even write their rhyme, who did them , u write them, doc write em, and "jay-z and emniem might write their shit in 10 minutes or whatever but look at their records " sure, do you know that jay-z drop a classic recently??? so where's the difference, it's all about opignion , u luv pac and nas, but take some time to listen to thoses other cats, you'll see that they tight sometime, now you'll get it all fuck up and gonna come with that "oh so u telling me that bow wow can drop a classic, i'm talkin bout them niggaz with experience, not them shyne alikes....anyways get it all twisted if u want i know what i'm sayin .
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Let me just put it like this. In the rest of the nation, 'Pac wasn't heard of until his death... what ever, that holds no weight to me. Here in the L.A./Southern California area, 'Pac was almost God before his death. Everyone threw up westside when 'Pac was alive, everyone pumped So Many Tears when Me Against The World came out, everyone cried to Dear Mama, and when All Eyez On Me came out, why do you think it sold 6 million before his death, even as a double disc, that's 3 million, plus the fact the double disc were 25 at the time so it was like buying 2 disc. People loved 'Pac before his death. Some of you are too young to remember, hell, maybe it was just a Cali thing, But I heard people say 'Pac was the greatest since Me Against the World, so I'm not tripping on this subject no more. I just say let the man rest in peace, and don't speak unkindly of the dead.
In the rest of the nation, were I'm at now, I don't care if 'Pac didn't play next to all that commercial shit they play on the radio until his death, he still was the GOAT in Cali.
And to all my Cali folks, were I'm from and live when I'm not in college, you know who the GOAT is. Fuck the rest of the nation and their no knowing opinions if they ain't going to leave there little shell. I done left mine and listen to Biggie, and Jigga, and Nas, and Rakim, and KRS-One, and many others that have any claim to GOAT, up to LL, Chuck D and Big Daddy Kane. I can say with everything I got 'Pac was the greatest. Some may have other views, but don't be closed minded, because you miss so much. Some one lock this thread.
Peace
I've said all I have to say but I just wanted to say that was real nice, & real true. & what someone said about 'Pac only really being called the G.O.A.T by people from the west is complete B.S, 'cos I'm from neither the West/East/South/Mid West, i'm all the way from the UK & as i've said 'Pac was the G.O.A.T ever since he dropped MATW & followed it up with the classic AEOM & Makaveli.
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to every1 that thinks snoop is tha goat, what has he done since 95-96 that is so special. An even on tha east, Pac gets loads of love to, sure not as much as BIG, but he gets as much props, except from tha pac haters
fuck man why u gotta keep fucken arguin wit every motherfucker that be callin snoop the goat? r u fucken jealous or somethin that some peeps in tha world don't love pac as much as u do? and just to answer ur question IMO and i guess in a few other peeps opinions, snoop has gotten better throughout these years and has been bringin us dope music for as long as i can remember, he wuz also one of the first rappers to try and stop the beefin between the east n west and he has been successfull so that's what he's done since 95-96 homie.
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::) anyways im'a just say some that u misunderstood, i said that dmx was selling good and people luv their album, did i talk about nelly or em, pleez and u said that most of theses cat right now doesn't even write their rhyme, who did them , u write them, doc write em, and "jay-z and emniem might write their shit in 10 minutes or whatever but look at their records " sure, do you know that jay-z drop a classic recently??? so where's the difference, it's all about opignion , u luv pac and nas, but take some time to listen to thoses other cats, you'll see that they tight sometime, now you'll get it all fuck up and gonna come with that "oh so u telling me that bow wow can drop a classic, i'm talkin bout them niggaz with experience, not them shyne alikes....anyways get it all twisted if u want i know what i'm sayin .
LMAO!! you didn't make ANY sense...jay-z dropped a classic recently???? naw.......3.5 mics maybe....and i DON'T love pac or nas....i give them PROPS cuz they deserved it.....unlike snoop or dmx..and i do listen to other rappers....these days i'm listeing to cormega, do or die......i'm feeling them right now so get off my big sack...and i know you didn't mention ja fool or nelly but you said only rappers considered great is the one that sells the most which is ignorant as fuck...
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fuck man why u gotta keep fucken arguin wit every motherfucker that be callin snoop the goat? r u fucken jealous or somethin that some peeps in tha world don't love pac as much as u do? and just to answer ur question IMO and i guess in a few other peeps opinions, snoop has gotten better throughout these years and has been bringin us dope music for as long as i can remember, he wuz also one of the first rappers to try and stop the beefin between the east n west and he has been successfull so that's what he's done since 95-96 homie.
true, and by the way , to the one talkin indirectly to me, i didn't call snoop the goat so i don't even know why u trippin
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I'm one that also believes this.
Now, I have yet to drop my cents on this post so here I go.
2pac, was a very intelligent rapper, person, a man with the strength to speak his mind on topic. He knew what he was talking about, and everytime his lyrics dropped, he knew everything he was saying was true to himself. So in issence, tupac was one of the best, but the greatest?
Today's tupac is Eminem. Everything I just described in pac, is also true in Eminem. Eminem plays with words too, something that wasn't pac's best strength. Now, does this make Pac second to Eminem? Of course not, but at the time of 2pac's life. He was just considered another rapper. He along with B.I.G and Snoop, Jay-Z were the biggest names in Hip Hop. At this time, you could claim either of these rappers the best. It would be a worldwide argument. Then Pac is killed, and all we have left is his memories. So what do his fans have? Then we see the impact Pac had and we claim him the best, however In my mind we have put him in some place we never could have been. To me Pac was a good rapper. To be honest, I never ever felt a pac song. Now, my brother owns all his albums, but I was never ever a pac fan. No disrespect to the man, but he was very arrogant in what he did. To me, I can't listen to that. I believe he is overated because there are a lot of rappers like pac that don't get recognition for their power. Instead people claim them pac biters. Everyone is still holding on to Tupac Shakur. However, he left us 6 years ago.
-Big BpG
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I'm one that also believes this.
Now, I have yet to drop my cents on this post so here I go.
2pac, was a very intelligent rapper, person, a man with the strength to speak his mind on topic. He knew what he was talking about, and everytime his lyrics dropped, he knew everything he was saying was true to himself. So in issence, tupac was one of the best, but the greatest?
Today's tupac is Eminem. Everything I just described in pac, is also true in Eminem. Eminem plays with words too, something that wasn't pac's best strength. Now, does this make Pac second to Eminem? Of course not, but at the time of 2pac's life. He was just considered another rapper. He along with B.I.G and Snoop, Jay-Z were the biggest names in Hip Hop. At this time, you could claim either of these rappers the best. It would be a worldwide argument. Then Pac is killed, and all we have left is his memories. So what do his fans have? Then we see the impact Pac had and we claim him the best, however In my mind we have put him in some place we never could have been. To me Pac was a good rapper. To be honest, I never ever felt a pac song. Now, my brother owns all his albums, but I was never ever a pac fan. No disrespect to the man, but he was very arrogant in what he did. To me, I can't listen to that. I believe he is overated because there are a lot of rappers like pac that don't get recognition for their power. Instead people claim them pac biters. Everyone is still holding on to Tupac Shakur. However, he left us 6 years ago.
-Big BpG
i agree, mostly with the last sentence...
just a thing that i just learn bout pac, did u know that everyday pac's mom made pac read the newspaper and all kind of shit , pac would been inspired by some n drop em on song and the song was a hit.... wow
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i agree, mostly with the last sentence...
just a thing that i just learn bout pac, did u know that everyday pac's mom made pac read the newspaper and all kind of shit , pac would been inspired by some n drop em on song and the song was a hit.... wow
i dunno what u said, tha only thing i could think of is that your tryin diss pac b/c his mom made him read tha paper everyday.
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i dunno what u said, tha only thing i could think of is that your tryin diss pac b/c his mom made him read tha paper everyday.
tryin to diss tryin to diss, dawm , is that the only bullshit u can say. everytime u holla at me , is fo the same bullshit, don't talk me then , i was just surprise , do i have the right to be surprise or should i ask u for a permission ...
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tryin to diss tryin to diss, dawm , is that the only bullshit u can say. everytime u holla at me , is fo the same bullshit, don't talk me then , i was just surprise , do i have the right to be surprise or should i ask u for a permission ...
what, i asked if you if u were dissin pac b/c i didnt have a fuckin clue what u were talkin about u fuckin asshole, u talked bout how he read than paper than made a hit, what tha fuck, maybe i wouldnt have to ask u if u made sense
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I'm one that also believes this.
Now, I have yet to drop my cents on this post so here I go.
2pac, was a very intelligent rapper, person, a man with the strength to speak his mind on topic. He knew what he was talking about, and everytime his lyrics dropped, he knew everything he was saying was true to himself. So in issence, tupac was one of the best, but the greatest?
Today's tupac is Eminem. Everything I just described in pac, is also true in Eminem. Eminem plays with words too, something that wasn't pac's best strength. Now, does this make Pac second to Eminem? Of course not, but at the time of 2pac's life. He was just considered another rapper. He along with B.I.G and Snoop, Jay-Z were the biggest names in Hip Hop. At this time, you could claim either of these rappers the best. It would be a worldwide argument. Then Pac is killed, and all we have left is his memories. So what do his fans have? Then we see the impact Pac had and we claim him the best, however In my mind we have put him in some place we never could have been. To me Pac was a good rapper. To be honest, I never ever felt a pac song. Now, my brother owns all his albums, but I was never ever a pac fan. No disrespect to the man, but he was very arrogant in what he did. To me, I can't listen to that. I believe he is overated because there are a lot of rappers like pac that don't get recognition for their power. Instead people claim them pac biters. Everyone is still holding on to Tupac Shakur. However, he left us 6 years ago.
-Big BpG
That's the thing people don't get. That 'Pac was never a everyday rapper in Cali. Even before Death Row he was people's favorite. Shit, his interviews were anticipated, and his rap lyrics charished. I've notice in the rest of America, mid-west mainly, that rappers to begin with are not praised as they are in Cali, and they are as sure as hell not as respected, as people down many rappers. People like Ja Rule and talk about his great skillz. I ain't downing Ja Rule, because he can make a great album, but he sold out to sell millions in the mid-west. When 'Pac was alive, he wasn't known hear. I get weirded when I hear, I really got into 'Pac after he died, and he is soo cool. I'm puzzled, because 'Pac was Cali's biggest star, alive or dead. Snoop was too, Doggystyle was a classic, and his work on the Chronic was genious. But 'Pac just spoke to people. At first women were the only 'Pac fans because of Keep Your Head Up. Every girl I knew bought Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. My sister bought Me Against The World righ when it came out. I remember hearing Pain on Above the Rim, and gave it a try. She loved it, then I heard it and traded like 3 tapes for it. And most people I knew were like that. They heard 'Pac off some girl and had to pick it up or dub it. Then when he signed with Death Row, shit, he was crowned Don over Snoop. His words spoke to people. And the trade for the 'Pac tape is true, ask my sister, MidnightPills, or Pink. I see it like this, 'Pac was for sure the greatest rapper, but couldn't get out of Cali because he wasn't that Gangsta Rapper that the mid-west loved back then from Cali. He wasn't selling like Coolio, or Snoop, or Dogg Pound, but in Cali that didn't stop him from being number one here. He was a bigger star than Snoop with Me Against The World. All Eyez On Me got the rest of the nation to look at him, and then his death was what made most people see what we always knew. Now I'm not knocking Snoop, because the M Dogg is out of respect to the Big Dogg, and Scrappy, my other name I had here and rap name, is simular to Snoopy, which is no accident, because I love Snoop. But 'Pac was the star of the Westcoast, and what we knew with Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z., you guys found out on September 13, 1996. Now lets put this topic to rest, the way the man's spirit should rest.
I guess him rapping about his soul never resting was right. The man is the only artist studied in colleges, gots a poetry book out, and the biggest icon in rap. He deserves his rest. Thank You
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all i gotta say is pac aint overrated, and bein dead don't make you automatically a overrated artist. cause big pun is dead, and he aint overrated, kinda underrated to me.
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i agree, mostly with the last sentence...
just a thing that i just learn bout pac, did u know that everyday pac's mom made pac read the newspaper and all kind of shit , pac would been inspired by some n drop em on song and the song was a hit.... wow
pac's mom made him read the New York Times cover to cover as punishment when he was a kid. i wish i would've been more of a 2pac fan when he was rising as a star because i didn't become a fan until about 4 months before he died. :'(
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At first women were the only 'Pac fans because of Keep Your Head Up. Every girl I knew bought Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. My sister bought Me Against The World righ when it came out. I remember hearing Pain on Above the Rim, and gave it a try. She loved it, then I heard it and traded like 3 tapes for it. And most people I knew were like that. They heard 'Pac off some girl and had to pick it up or dub it.
That made me think of what 'Pac advised Biggie about rapping for the bitches & eventually the guys will want what the girls have & that shit worked, eventually for Biggie too! He had one hell of a mind, very smart individual.
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fuck the politics of this issue, plain and simple
2pac = the greatest rapper/rap artist of all time
Rakim=the greatest pure mc of all time
that's all that ever needs to be said
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fuck the politics of this issue, plain and simple
2pac = the greatest rapper/rap artist of all time
Rakim=the greatest pure mc of all time
that's all that ever needs to be said
u cant make that true statement clearer
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pac's mom made him read the New York Times cover to cover as punishment when he was a kid.
see [size=20]Tom[/size], i ain'T makin no shit , i heard this on welcome to death row, so sit back , eat your dick , and leave me the fuck alone ... me an asshole ??? lol nigga pleez you're the asshole , and your friend are the dicks hittin u hard at night so u can come shit on me after so some bullshit like that
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see [size=20]Tom[/size], i ain'T makin no shit , i heard this on welcome to death row, so sit back , eat your dick , and leave me the fuck alone ... me an asshole ??? lol nigga pleez you're the asshole , and your friend are the dicks hittin u hard at night so u can come shit on me after so some bullshit like that
i already knew b4 u said anything about pac readin tha paper as a kid. It was what u said after that, that i had no clue what tha fuck u were sayin
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i already knew b4 u said anything about pac readin tha paper as a kid. It was what u said after that, that i had no clue what tha fuck u were sayin
hmm , i didn't say shit after that
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hmm , i didn't say shit after that
yes u did, u said his mom made him read tha paper than u said "pac would been inspired by some n drop em on song and the song was a hit.... wow". i dont know what u were tryin to say there
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yo stick..stop embarassing yourself......you argu with no points..all you do is i love my snoop, nigga, snoop is the goat, nigga, dmx is 2nd goat, nigga....lmao
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yo stick..stop embarassing yourself......you argu with no points..all you do is i love my snoop, nigga, snoop is the goat, nigga, dmx is 2nd goat, nigga....lmao
yo bitch shut your bigg mouth hoe
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yes u did, u said his mom made him read tha paper than u said "pac would been inspired by some n drop em on song and the song was a hit.... wow". i dont know what u were tryin to say there
ok, i wasn't tryin to diss him , i was impressed to know how he found his ideas to make his hits , thats it
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yo bitch shut your bigg mouth hoe
i'm your momma
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Why is Pac so overrated?
Because he's dead.
Put it simply, if he were still alive today, 90% of the people who are diehard Pac fans who think he's the GOAT wouldnt think he's the GOAT. A LOT of people became Pac fans after his death. And that's the simple truth.
He was a great rapper, but a simple MC & Lyricist. He can touch people with the message in his words... and that's why the masses feel his music. Therefore, almost everyone loves him.
But i think alot of the people are brainwashed into liking 2Pac. For example, out here in Cali, people are brought up to admire 2Pac. If there's a little kid, and someone's being introduced to 2Pac, they tell that little kid "That's 2Pac. He's the greatest rapper ever." And that's all they believe... they automatically accept someone else's opinion, and make no effort to search for other types of music or genres.
One example is me at school; some dumbass was yelling his head off bout "THUG LIFE MUTHAFUCCA! 2PAC'S THE GREATEST MC EVA!"
And i was like, "Pac's aight, but Rakim's a better MC"
"Well, I've never heard of Rakim, but 2Pac's still better."
What kinda shit is that?
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i'm your momma
nigga fuck you, son of a , sorry u don'T have any parents , so hmmm , faggot playa hater
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Why is Pac so overrated?
Because he's dead.
Put it simply, if he were still alive today, 90% of the people who are diehard Pac fans who think he's the GOAT wouldnt think he's the GOAT. A LOT of people became Pac fans after his death. And that's the simple truth.
He was a great rapper, but a simple MC & Lyricist. He can touch people with the message in his words... and that's why the masses feel his music. Therefore, almost everyone loves him.
But i think alot of the people are brainwashed into liking 2Pac. For example, out here in Cali, people are brought up to admire 2Pac. If there's a little kid, and someone's being introduced to 2Pac, they tell that little kid "That's 2Pac. He's the greatest rapper ever." And that's all they believe... they automatically accept someone else's opinion, and make no effort to search for other types of music or genres.
One example is me at school; some dumbass was yelling his head off bout "THUG LIFE MUTHAFUCCA! 2PAC'S THE GREATEST MC EVA!"
And i was like, "Pac's aight, but Rakim's a better MC"
"Well, I've never heard of Rakim, but 2Pac's still better."
What kinda shit is that?
it's true , most peoples act like that nowadays
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nigga fuck you, son of a , sorry u don'T have any parents , so hmmm , faggot playa hater
i'm your daddy...NIGGA ::)
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i'm your momma , i'm your daddy , then u claim to be older then everyone, u always starts beef with everybody , but right now, i tired of this shit , play alone ...Wigga
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i'm your momma , i'm your daddy , then u claim to be older then everyone, u always starts beef with everybody , but right now, i tired of this shit , play alone ...Wigga
huh???? lol......learn how to speak proper english.your like a crackhead talking without his dope....btw i ain't white