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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: techniec on March 01, 2002, 07:27:30 PM
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has better albums, production, diss songs and are generally less mainstream
no particular reason why im venting off, its just that i hate east coast dick suckers just as much as white female rap
fans....well almost
the west has much realer cats, a better independant scene, better beefs and diss songs, and better producers
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True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.
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LMAO!!!!!!!
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LMAO!!!!!!!
how old r yall...?
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The way you generalised white female hip-hop fans in here is quite ignorant :P I have a very good white female friend who loves hip-hop & she's FAR from rich & she doesn't drive a nice car that her dad has bought her, infact she doesn't even live with her father. Oh, & aren't lee & HipHopHoe white females? & they are coo'. I think you get more of those stereotypical white female fans in america, but I dunno.
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True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.
::) Ignorant Muthafucker.
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True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.
What do you think alot of youre favourite rappers does?
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The west have some incredible producers, aswel as MC's
But NY is where its at
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i don't really know many white female rappaz...but i know for a fact that 'all' rappaz who called themselves gangstaz back n tha day are livin in big houses with a nice ride on their drive....most of them r some of ur favourite rappaz but they still put out recordz like they're still livin the street life.....consida that muvaphukaz!
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on Today at 02:29:36, Tha_Chozen_1 wrote: ''True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.''
That was a very stupid and ignorant comment, i know some white bitches that listen to hip hop, that are poor as fuck and would probably kick ur bitch ass and roll u for ur money so they can get their next hit of smack. The moral is don't generlise any people black, white, chinese, mexican, greek, italian...etc. There are true muthafuckas in every nation and sex. 8)
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True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.
Yo.... I don't know where your from... But where I'm from most white chicks don't give any love to hip-hop period, and I get shited on for being a white hip-hop head..... and any of the white chicks that do like hip-hop only date black dudes, and still I get shitted on.... LOL.... num sayin, but still I can get mines, it would just be alot easier if I listened to Dave Mathews Band.
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True Dat. I also hate it when white bitchez be bumpin' hip hop. They want to be a part of tha "thug life" when they be livin in big ass houses and daddy give em a new car with out workin a day in their lives. FUCK that.
so...to conclude some shit outa what you saying i:
1.white females shouldn"t bump hiphop
2.all white females r gettin new carz from their daddyz without workin a day
3.hiphop shouln"t be bumped by rich people.
and tha main conclusion iz-----------YOU ONE DUMB ASS - generalizing IGNORANT mofo.
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has better albums, production, diss songs and are generally less mainstream
no particular reason why im venting off, its just that i hate east coast dick suckers just as much as white female rap
fans....well almost
the west has much realer cats, a better independant scene, better beefs and diss songs, and better producers
i'm not hating but that statement was VERY IGNORANT, it's obvious the only eastcoast music you've ever heard is dmx, ja rule and puffy, again i'm not hating but it's obvious where your horizons are in hip hop to make that statement
i'm westcoast til i die BUT....
for every westcoast classic there is, there is like 10 eastcoast classics
diss songs....lol, they were the place that invented the "diss song" you seriously need to take a trip back to the old school
and if anything eastcoast music as a whole is 10x less mainstream than just about every underground kind of music out there, i love westcoast music but the westcoast's underground wouldn't even exisist if itwasn't for the eastcoast underground
as for production, yes that definatly is true, dre, quik, warren, daz, ant banks, ect. are all better TRUE producers since 99% of the producers in the east are just mixers/dj's
but the rest of that is pretty ignorant for you to say.....i'm not dissing you or trying to offend you so don't take this up the ass like engies would, but that statement is VERY ignorant, please expand your horizons in hip hop...or music in general first before you say something like this again
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i'm not hating but that statement was VERY IGNORANT, it's obvious the only eastcoast music you've ever heard is dmx, ja rule and puffy, again i'm not hating but it's obvious where your horizons are in hip hop to make that statement
i'm westcoast til i die BUT....
for every westcoast classic there is, there is like 10 eastcoast classics
diss songs....lol, they were the place that invented the "diss song" you seriously need to take a trip back to the old school
and if anything eastcoast music as a whole is 10x less mainstream than just about every underground kind of music out there, i love westcoast music but the westcoast's underground wouldn't even exisist if itwasn't for the eastcoast underground
as for production, yes that definatly is true, dre, quik, warren, daz, ant banks, ect. are all better TRUE producers since 99% of the producers in the east are just mixers/dj's
but the rest of that is pretty ignorant for you to say.....i'm not dissing you or trying to offend you so don't take this up the ass like engies would, but that statement is VERY ignorant, please expand your horizons in hip hop...or music in general first before you say something like this again
I feel ya dogg...
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how old r yall...?
why ya'll always asking this question, everyone know that except some peeps , everyone has near the same ages, and an opignion of a 8 years old can be as good as an 40 years nigga so stop asking that freakin question , dawm
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ok ok I'll admit that was stupid of me to say. I got carried away. But alot of those type of peolpe do exist, you know.
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i'm not hating but that statement was VERY IGNORANT, it's obvious the only eastcoast music you've ever heard is dmx, ja rule and puffy, again i'm not hating but it's obvious where your horizons are in hip hop to make that statement
i'm westcoast til i die BUT....
for every westcoast classic there is, there is like 10 eastcoast classics
diss songs....lol, they were the place that invented the "diss song" you seriously need to take a trip back to the old school
and if anything eastcoast music as a whole is 10x less mainstream than just about every underground kind of music out there, i love westcoast music but the westcoast's underground wouldn't even exisist if itwasn't for the eastcoast underground
as for production, yes that definatly is true, dre, quik, warren, daz, ant banks, ect. are all better TRUE producers since 99% of the producers in the east are just mixers/dj's
but the rest of that is pretty ignorant for you to say.....i'm not dissing you or trying to offend you so don't take this up the ass like engies would, but that statement is VERY ignorant, please expand your horizons in hip hop...or music in general first before you say something like this again
how the fuck are u gonna tell me what i know or what i am?
i think you're ignorant for saying i listen to dmx and puffy
cuz see, what i said was an opinion, that ALOT of people happen to agree with , what u said was just plain stupid, you're stating opinions fronting like they facts,
"its pretty obvious..."
its pretty obvious some one needs to check they attitude
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^ Hey.. chill out.. we don't need no beef... but I agree with Bigjake... you really need to expand your horizons before making such statements... peace.
~1~
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Bottom line......East has Better Lyrical MC's......Period.
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i'm not hating but that statement was VERY IGNORANT, it's obvious the only eastcoast music you've ever heard is dmx, ja rule and puffy, again i'm not hating but it's obvious where your horizons are in hip hop to make that statement
i'm westcoast til i die BUT....
for every westcoast classic there is, there is like 10 eastcoast classics
diss songs....lol, they were the place that invented the "diss song" you seriously need to take a trip back to the old school
and if anything eastcoast music as a whole is 10x less mainstream than just about every underground kind of music out there, i love westcoast music but the westcoast's underground wouldn't even exisist if itwasn't for the eastcoast underground
as for production, yes that definatly is true, dre, quik, warren, daz, ant banks, ect. are all better TRUE producers since 99% of the producers in the east are just mixers/dj's
but the rest of that is pretty ignorant for you to say.....i'm not dissing you or trying to offend you so don't take this up the ass like engies would, but that statement is VERY ignorant, please expand your horizons in hip hop...or music in general first before you say something like this again
Techniec's a for real hip-hop head....You can disagree with him, you had some good points, but that Ja Rule and DMX comment was out of line homie.
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a yo this is to the ignorant one.....my man u just need some love from someone....prolly a white rich daddy's lil gurl who bumps hip-hop.....lol.....or maybe u got diised by one.........but regardless music is the most universal thing out there, and hip-hop is one genre of music......and its growin and more and more people are appreciating that its music....now first of all i love the sound of the west its completely bangin........but yo fo east coast rap here ya go son....
first of all name one cat that can come close to comparin to rakim aight.......krs, black thought, common, pharoah monche, biggie, nas, kool g rap.........
peace
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west better style and production
east for the most part more lyrical not counting dmx/ja rule/puffy
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Hip Hop does not have color or gender. hip hop is music period. anybody who likes it can listen to it. Im black and I live in one of the worst neighborhoods in L.A does this mean I cant listen to rock n roll. Who do you think buys hip hop records. If not for white, mexican, japan, china, and all those other places who listen to hip hop than it would not last. Tupac did not grow up broke and gang bangin and he is the creator of thug music so grow up some and open your mind.
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Hold up. every one needs to stop right now and shut tha hell up and listen fo a min. when I said those things about white female rap fans I got carried away. I shouldn't of said it. It was stupid. BUT, some of those type of people are out there. Just like there are people who claim to be long time Tupac fans and didn't even know who he was untill five years after his death. Like people who didn't know who Dre was untill eminem came out. And stupid muthafukin Pop fans who only bought Kurupt for "It's Over". You see what i mean? I'm just tired of people like that claimin to be true hip hop fans.
So even though I may sound "ignorant", I am not. So Get off my mothafukin back and call it peace. I did not join this board to piss every body off.
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Hold up. every one needs to stop right now and shut tha hell up and listen fo a min. when I said those things about white female rap fans I got carried away. I shouldn't of said it. It was stupid. BUT, some of those type of people are out there. Just like there are people who claim to be long time Tupac fans and didn't even know who he was untill five years after his death. Like people who didn't know who Dre was untill eminem came out. And stupid muthafukin Pop fans who only bought Kurupt for "It's Over". You see what i mean? I'm just tired of people like that claimin to be true hip hop fans.
So even though I may sound "ignorant", I am not. So Get off my mothafukin back and call it peace. I did not join this board to piss every body off.
YES, those type of fans do exist, but their not only WHITE homie, there's black/asian/latino/mexican/european & all other types of people that fit those descriptions too. You can't just tar everyone with the same brush when you don't know everyone in the world. Shit, I just find it very ignorant for a hip-hop fan to spit shit like that, just appreciate it for what it is, music, don't judge people who like it just because of their colour or where they come from, just let them enjoy it for whatever reasons they want to & you do the same.
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I will have to disagree with this post...the east coast doesnt have better rappers...and for every West Coast Classic there is not 10 East Coast Classics...personally the West Coast has many more classics than the east....as for the whole rapper thing....people think the east has better lyrics and blah blah blah because they only hear snoop and dre....listen to a Project Blowed tape...they kill any east coast mc...listen to a crooked i freestyle(not to mention that most of our mcs in the west actually spit off the top...not memorized or written verses like the majority of the east coast mcs), listen to a ras kass, defari, planet asia or saafir freestyle...they kill off any mc....our producers are ten times better....this is my opinion and i know u east coast foos will disagree but oh well..s.g.v.
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so let me get this str8 u gonna try and compare ant rhymer on the west even rass kass who is dope lyricist to rakim........let me hear what u got to say to that
peace
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This is one hostile topic LMAO!
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It Aint about who got better rappers...They aint talkin about the same thing and they aint got the same livin.And for the beat The West iz Betta 4 sho and the start jackin the west 4 the beats.Also East Coast rappers have more commercial faces than sum West Coast rappers most of the west coast rappers R old and got ugly faces.East Coast rappers got style
and West Coast rappers R stick with them chucks and kaki pants.East Coast rappers R talkin about , money ,power and Love 4 them crew and West rappers R talkin about, being a pimp ,Hoes,gangbang(street),and Hood life
So as U can See u can compare these two side cause they are really different in a real way
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im not tryin to b cocky or nuthin but ya'l keep talkin that pimpin. money, power, sex shit....east or west.......what bout rakim, common, kool g rap, black thought, pharoahmonche, rass kass, xzhibit, krs, nas......man those cats rap bout skillz and they are all basically bout rappin positive shit, and real shit that they see in life.......not to mention a couple of these cats have changed the face of rap.......by the way this room isnt hostile were all havin civil conversations just givin our opinions, and i respect all of ya'll's opinions....holla back
peace
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Rakim is old and washed the "R"-uh Double AK can whoop him now...maybe back in the day Rakim would take out Ras but not now....Rakim is over...thats what i have to say
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lol....thats funny son, well u just wait till ra drops his album lil man......aint nobody ever wanted it wit ra in da industry before and no one still wants it wit ra today....
peace
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how the fuck are u gonna tell me what i know or what i am?
i think you're ignorant for saying i listen to dmx and puffy
cuz see, what i said was an opinion, that ALOT of people happen to agree with , what u said was just plain stupid, you're stating opinions fronting like they facts,
"its pretty obvious..."
its pretty obvious some one needs to check they attitude
chill the fuck out man, i was just saying if your horizons we broader you wouldn't be saying those things
it's one thing to say , i prefer this style and this kind of music over this., and it's another thing to say, oh they suck becuase i say so and don't like it....
yes it is YOUR opinion but if you horizons were broader and if you were a more mature music fan (again i'm not dissing or attacking you i'm stating facts) you wouldn't be generalising things like this, and woulda said yeah they're better, but i like westcoast music more
it's like saying,most grass in the world grows purple blue and magenta like a rainbow... becuase for some reason your mom and all your neighbors did that to their grass, when the truth is grass grows green
it's some people's opinion that master p is better than rakim....there's a line in music where opinions turn into facts....those people can think master p is better but the truth of the matter is, its NOT true
again don't take this up the ass, go out and learn more about music and matur your taste and expand your horizons and come back with another topic on this, again it's OBVIOUS what type of music you've experienced in the east coast....it's not your fault but please expand your horizons before making this comment again
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The east coast has made 100 x more classics than the west has.........
Illmatic
36 Chambers
Ready To Die
Infamous
Cuban Linx
Liquid Swords
Moment Of Truth
Low End Theory
Midnight Marauders
Hard To Earn
Hell On Earth
Stillmatic
Reasonable Doubt
Enta Da Stage
Mecca And The Soul Brother
4,5,6
Life After Death
3 Feet High And Rising
Pauls Boutique
Fear Of A Black Planet
And thats just a FEW. There is NO way the west coast has made more classic albums than the east coast has. The east coast has it on lock, as far as who has the most classic albums.
Best diss songs?? Id say its about equal in that department, but keep in mind battling started on the east coast to begin with........
Better producers?? I personally like more producers from the east. RZA, Primo, Alchemist, Large Pro, Pete Rock, etc etc are all some of the greatest producers ever. Dre is really the only west coast producer that is on the same level as them east coast producers I named.
And we already know the east is EASILY superior to the west when it comes to raw emceeing and pure lyricism.
It may sound like Im hating on the west, but im just telling the facts the way they are. In all honesty, my fav MC ever is a west coast MC, but the east reigns supreme overall...........
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thanks for the support hellrazor
don't get me wrong like i said i'm westcoast til i DIEEE!
but facts are facts and i'm mature enough to admit that the eastcoast has this game eternally on lock
let's just put it this way, the eastcast is the dream team (usa) and the west as much as i love it is like team canada or austrailia in basketball
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No problem Jake..........Hey, its good to see you back up in here and still posting, the true hip hop heads dont seem to be in abundance these days, lol.
Hey did you see my Stillmatic review? I told ya I was gonna break it down, hahahaha. Aight, peace.
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chill the fuck out man, i was just saying if your horizons we broader you wouldn't be saying those things
it's one thing to say , i prefer this style and this kind of music over this., and it's another thing to say, oh they suck becuase i say so and don't like it....
yes it is YOUR opinion but if you horizons were broader and if you were a more mature music fan (again i'm not dissing or attacking you i'm stating facts) you wouldn't be generalising things like this, and woulda said yeah they're better, but i like westcoast music more
it's like saying,most grass in the world grows purple blue and magenta like a rainbow... becuase for some reason your mom and all your neighbors did that to their grass, when the truth is grass grows green
it's some people's opinion that master p is better than rakim....there's a line in music where opinions turn into facts....those people can think master p is better but the truth of the matter is, its NOT true
again don't take this up the ass, go out and learn more about music and matur your taste and expand your horizons and come back with another topic on this, again it's OBVIOUS what type of music you've experienced in the east coast....it's not your fault but please expand your horizons before making this comment again
alright alright i feel what you sayin, but its my opinion right, and why you gotta say all i listen to from the east, is dmx and puffy, right? i mean that wasnt needed right?
peace
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to-hellrazor
Chronic
2001
Doggystyle
DoggFood
2Pacalypse Now
All Eyez On Me
Makaveli
Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Predator
Leathal Injection
Death Certificate
Mack 10(debut album)
Bow Down
Black Sunday
Straight Outta Compton
Efil4AZaggin
Eazy Duz It
Season Of Da Siccness
Psycho Active
Federal
Born To Mack
Life Is...Too Short
Operation Stackola
Quik Is The Name
Safe N Sound
and i can go on....those are all west coast classics the east aint touching that
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to-hellrazor
Chronic
2001
Doggystyle
DoggFood
2Pacalypse Now
All Eyez On Me
Makaveli
Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Predator
Leathal Injection
Death Certificate
Mack 10(debut album)
Bow Down
Black Sunday
Straight Outta Compton
Efil4AZaggin
Eazy Duz It
Season Of Da Siccness
Psycho Active
Federal
Born To Mack
Life Is...Too Short
Operation Stackola
Quik Is The Name
Safe N Sound
and i can go on....those are all west coast classics the east aint touching that
The only ones you listed that are classic are The Chronic, Doggystyle, AEOM, Amerikkkaz Most Wanted, The Predator, Makaveli, Death Certificate, and Straight Outta Compton.
The rest of those albums you listed are NOT classic. I think you're throwing the word classic around too much, or you dont know the criteria of what makes a album a true classic or not.
Trust me, the east has it on lock, end of discussion. The East has probably made more classic albums than the west, south, and midwest COMBINED. Hip hop started on the east, and that is why it is lyrically and musically more prominant than on the west or south.
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Illmatic - yes
36 Chambers - yes
Ready To Die - yes
Infamous - yes
Cuban Linx - yes
Liquid Swords - yes
Moment Of Truth - yes
Low End Theory -yes
Midnight Marauders - yes
Hard To Earn -no
Hell On Earth -no
Stillmatic -yes
Reasonable Doubt - yes
Enta Da Stage -yes
Mecca And The Soul Brother - yes
4,5,6 - no
Life After Death -yes
3 Feet High And Rising - yes
Pauls Boutique - yes
Fear Of A Black Planet - yes
Many classics more...
Chronic - yes
2001 - yes
Doggystyle - yes
DoggFood -yes
2Pacalypse Now -no
All Eyez On Me -yes
Makaveli -yes
Amerikkkas Most Wanted -yes
Predator - no
Leathal Injection -no
Death Certificate -yes
Mack 10(debut album) - no
Bow Down -yes
Black Sunday -yes
Straight Outta Compton - yes
Efil4AZaggin -yes
Eazy Duz It -yes
Season Of Da Siccness -?
Psycho Active -?
Federal - no
Born To Mack - no
Life Is...Too Short - yes
Operation Stackola - no
Quik Is The Name - yes
Safe N Sound - yes
Many classics more...
West Coast has a shitload of classics but the East Coast has more.
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this is how I see it:
each side has classics 4 sure
Eastcoast: You can tell the lyrics are better. EastCoast has it for MC's and lyrics. Their production is still tight tho. I mean DJ/Mixing. it still sounds good, but the thing is even if the beat is alright, your still listenin to the song cuz of the tight lyrics coming out
Westcoast: Their lyrics aren't as good as the east but they do have some pretty tight MC's, Example: Kurupt (death row days), Crooked I, Rass Kass, Xzibit. But the thing is, when you listen to a westcoast song, and the lyrics are just alright. u stay listening to the song because there proably is a tight ass beat goin on in the background that you wanna listen to over and over.
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has better albums, production, diss songs and are generally less mainstream
no particular reason why im venting off, its just that i hate east coast dick suckers just as much as white female rap
fans....well almost
the west has much realer cats, a better independant scene, better beefs and diss songs, and better producers
i agree with all, cept tha "east has better rappers" part. i mean, tha east has more POPULAR rappers. i dont feel theyre better at all. but i still really believe itz an eastcoast bias that hurts westcoast rappers. in magazines, tv....n otha such thingz. Tha east...IMO bites SO much shit frum tha westcoast...n then simply blows it up in NY (since, if it came frum tha west..it prolly wasnt heard on Eastcoast radio stations yet) i almost slapped tha shit outta this bitch when i heard her tell me that Jay Z invented tha "izzo's". i was like WTF are u talkin bout?! lol. Wha proves to me....that tha west pretty much just gets bittin, n hated on. is this. Tha east, (especially now) sells more records. except when doggystyle came out. BUT...if u look back, i feel tha albumz that influenced RAP music tha most....have been MOSTLY westcoast artists. "NWA" had rappers becoming HARD on albums. True, so did Rakim. But NWA took it to a MUCH different level. "Doggystyle" had most of tha country (rappers included) thinkin that theyre gangstaz, sippin gin n juice, n wantin a lo lo. Chronic, well shit...there was a cloud of chronic smoke floatin ova tha US after that album came out. Tupac, pretty much brought tha "Fuck tha world" attitude to ALOT of rappers after him. (Eminem...perfect example). Also after pac, u saw alot more rappers explore different themes for songs. While snoop n dre n NWA made it cool to be a gangsta. Tupac stepped in...n made it cool for a "Thug" tah show emotion. Too Short...shit, tha man been doin this shit for longer then most of tha members on this board have been alive. He was tha first to really bring those nasty, pimp lyrics to rap. How many rappers do u see now, claimin they pimpin? shiiiiiit. n who brough u tha trademark..."biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!" lol. Even now, rappers like E-40. tha classic example, to me...of how westcoast artists have been gettin hated on. He doesnt sell tha MAJOR amount of unitz in tha East like he should be. Yet, SO many eastcoast rappers use words he came up with, n talk about shit he came out with. If i see Ja Rule pop his muthafuckin collar one mo time....ima throw up lol. but fukit, West keep comin wit tight albumz. East keep hatin, n tha shit will bounce back on yall. Dont bitch then! lol
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i agree with all, cept tha "east has better rappers" part. i mean, tha east has more POPULAR rappers. i dont feel theyre better at all. but i still really believe itz an eastcoast bias that hurts westcoast rappers. in magazines, tv....n otha such thingz. Tha east...IMO bites SO much shit frum tha westcoast...n then simply blows it up in NY (since, if it came frum tha west..it prolly wasnt heard on Eastcoast radio stations yet) i almost slapped tha shit outta this bitch when i heard her tell me that Jay Z invented tha "izzo's". i was like WTF are u talkin bout?! lol. Wha proves to me....that tha west pretty much just gets bittin, n hated on. is this. Tha east, (especially now) sells more records. except when doggystyle came out. BUT...if u look back, i feel tha albumz that influenced RAP music tha most....have been MOSTLY westcoast artists. "NWA" had rappers becoming HARD on albums. True, so did Rakim. But NWA took it to a MUCH different level. "Doggystyle" had most of tha country (rappers included) thinkin that theyre gangstaz, sippin gin n juice, n wantin a lo lo. Chronic, well shit...there was a cloud of chronic smoke floatin ova tha US after that album came out. Tupac, pretty much brought tha "Fuck tha world" attitude to ALOT of rappers after him. (Eminem...perfect example). Also after pac, u saw alot more rappers explore different themes for songs. While snoop n dre n NWA made it cool to be a gangsta. Tupac stepped in...n made it cool for a "Thug" tah show emotion. Too Short...shit, tha man been doin this shit for longer then most of tha members on this board have been alive. He was tha first to really bring those nasty, pimp lyrics to rap. How many rappers do u see now, claimin they pimpin? shiiiiiit. n who brough u tha trademark..."biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!" lol. Even now, rappers like E-40. tha classic example, to me...of how westcoast artists have been gettin hated on. He doesnt sell tha MAJOR amount of unitz in tha East like he should be. Yet, SO many eastcoast rappers use words he came up with, n talk about shit he came out with. If i see Ja Rule pop his muthafuckin collar one mo time....ima throw up lol. but fukit, West keep comin wit tight albumz. East keep hatin, n tha shit will bounce back on yall. Dont bitch then! lol
Damn man, you act like the east coast doesnt have any influential artists........Ever heard of Wu Tang Clan? Nas? Biggie? Gang Starr? Tribe? Public Enemy?
36 Chambers, Illmatic, Ready To Die, The Infamous, Low End Theory, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, It Takes A Nation Of Millions, and Pauls Boutique are some of the most influential albums ever. And, ironically, all of them are east coast albums.......
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Damn man, you act like the east coast doesnt have any influential artists........Ever heard of Wu Tang Clan? Nas? Biggie? Gang Starr? Tribe? Public Enemy?
36 Chambers, Illmatic, Ready To Die, The Infamous, Low End Theory, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, It Takes A Nation Of Millions, and Pauls Boutique are some of the most influential albums ever. And, ironically, all of them are east coast albums.......
naw man. i didnt say that tha east doesnt have ANY infuencial albums. thatd be stupid to say. but when i think of influencial...im thinkin of influence on tha WHOLE country as far as rap music. Public Enemy id agree fits that mold. Maybe even GangStarr (outta tha ones u named). But, see...i feel like tha people i name influence rappers frum everywhere. Wu-Tang, well...they had big influence on other Eastcoast artists. but i didnt see an impact out here, or down south. Same with Nas or Biggie. Biggie was tight as fuk, i luved biggies music. but i didnt feel he influenced shit out hea eitha. jus mah opinion...
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Besides Public Enemy, Wu Tang is probably the most influential group or artist period from the east coast......Matter of fact, I might even go as far to say that the Wu are even more influential than Public Enemy was. 36 Chambers [along with Illmatic] brought back that raw, gritty style to hip hop, and it pratically saved east coast hip hop from being burried alive during the "chronic/doggystyle" era. "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx" was perhaps yet even MORE influential. Cuban Linx started ALL the alias trends we see in hip hop today [nobody started using aliases until after Tony Starks and Lex Diamonds], and it was also the album that started all the flossing and ice rockin' that everyone does today. Only difference is, Cuban Linx isnt watered down commerical garbage like alot of todays artists albums are. In addittion to that, Rae and Ghost used that album to start a blueprint which a ton of other artists [including Jay Z with Reasonable Doubt and Biggie with Life After Death] would use. Cuban Linx started all the mafiaso/don trends we see in hip hop nowadays. Illmatic and The Infamous are also very influential, but I think 36 Chambers and Cuban Linx might be two of the most influential albums EVER made. But then again, so is the Chronic and All Eyez On Me.........
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Besides Public Enemy, Wu Tang is probably the most influential group or artist period from the east coast......Matter of fact, I might even go as far to say that the Wu are even more influential than Public Enemy was. 36 Chambers [along with Illmatic] brought back that raw, gritty style to hip hop, and it pratically saved east coast hip hop from being burried alive during the "chronic/doggystyle" era. "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx" was perhaps yet even MORE influential. Cuban Linx started ALL the alias trends we see in hip hop today [nobody started using aliases until after Tony Starks and Lex Diamonds], and it was also the album that started all the flossing and ice rockin' that everyone does today. Only difference is, Cuban Linx isnt watered down commerical garbage like alot of todays artists albums are. In addittion to that, Rae and Ghost used that album to start a blueprint which a ton of other artists [including Jay Z with Reasonable Doubt and Biggie with Life After Death] would use. Cuban Linx started all the mafiaso/don trends we see in hip hop nowadays. Illmatic and The Infamous are also very influential, but I think 36 Chambers and Cuban Linx might be two of the most influential albums EVER made. But then again, so is the Chronic and All Eyez On Me.........
but see, thas exactly what im sayin. those albums influence rap on tha eastcoast. i dont see their influence out here. Chronic n Doggystyle's influence stretched across tha whole country. I see muhafuckaz in NY wit 64 impalaz on hydroz lol. I felt Wu...was actually one of tha least influencial groups out of tha ones u names. cus their influence stuck SOLELY to Eastcoast rappers. I mean itz all good, i respect most of tha muhafuckaz u names as rappers. But i hate tha biasness there is. Tha west has contributed JUST as much if not more IMO to rap music as tha east.
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^^^Naw man, the Wu influenced not only every part of the country, but in many parts of the WORLD. Wu was the first to start the trend of having your own brand of clothes [Wu-wear] for hip hop, and like I said before, they brought all the aliases and don/mafiaso trends that we see in hip hop today. After "Cuban Linx" came out, everyone started using their name with an "aka so & so"..... Trust me, their influence goes faaaaaar beyond the east coast. I live in Cali, and grant it, they arent as popular out here as in NY, but I still see plenty of cats rockin' Wu Wear and bumpin them in their stereos......
I do agree with you about the biases though. I hate east coast dickriders. Actually, most of my fav type of hip hop is east coast hip hop, but im from Cali, and I listen to ALL types of hip hop, though many of my fav artists are from the east. My fav artist ever, though, is a west coast artist, and he went by the name of Tupac Shakur last I saw.
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well, i felt like i was seein tha Don/Mafioso shit goin on WAY before that album u talkin bout. i mean, cuban linx wasnt even a big deal out here when it came out. I hardly know anyone who got tha CD back in tha day. and wu tang has neva been a big ticket out here really. Im in San Diego. n shit, they used to come down hea on a regular basis...n only perform in a club. neva in an arena unless it was on sumbody elses tour. and shit...now....i doubt theyd even sell out a club LOL. Theyve had influence for sure, but i dont think anywhere NEAR tha same level as tha other rappers i named. Or even other rappers YOU named. Ill give them this, they did put tha rap focus on tha east....after it had been on tha west for a few yrs. but i jus dont see any long term effects theyve had on tha game. Shit, i bought that 36 chambers bullshit back in tha day lol. i couldnt stand it when i bought...cept for maybe 3 songs. im pretty sure its in mah room sumwhere wit about an inch worth of dust on it lol.
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yo about this alias talk, wasnt snoop callin himself eastwood back in like 92?
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The only ones you listed that are classic are The Chronic, Doggystyle, AEOM, Amerikkkaz Most Wanted, The Predator, Makaveli, Death Certificate, and Straight Outta Compton.
The rest of those albums you listed are NOT classic. I think you're throwing the word classic around too much, or you dont know the criteria of what makes a album a true classic or not.
Trust me, the east has it on lock, end of discussion. The East has probably made more classic albums than the west, south, and midwest COMBINED. Hip hop started on the east, and that is why it is lyrically and musically more prominant than on the west or south.
If I'm throwing the word around loosely then OBVIOUSLY you are, all the albums I listed we LANDMARK albums.....the Too Short and E-40 albums opened the door for the bay, the Lynch and X-Raided albums introduced us to Sacramento, the N.W.A. and Ice Cube albums set the standards for the West Coast, and if u dont think Operation Stackola by the Luniz was not a classic bay album then youre not right in the head....the Mack 10 album...well that was a great album, he was at his peak there, his other albums were not near as good....im too tired to explain the rest....maybe later
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why iz the topic changed?
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yo about this alias talk, wasnt snoop callin himself eastwood back in like 92?
That is exactly what I was thinking.
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If I'm throwing the word around loosely then OBVIOUSLY you are, all the albums I listed we LANDMARK albums.....the Too Short and E-40 albums opened the door for the bay, the Lynch and X-Raided albums introduced us to Sacramento, the N.W.A. and Ice Cube albums set the standards for the West Coast, and if u dont think Operation Stackola by the Luniz was not a classic bay album then youre not right in the head....the Mack 10 album...well that was a great album, he was at his peak there, his other albums were not near as good....im too tired to explain the rest....maybe later
I dont maybe its just me, but when I hear people talking about "classic" albums, I dont hear people mentioning X-raided albums, Brother Lynch albums, or Operation Stackola. When I hear people talk about classic albums, its usually the same ones: Chronic, 36 Chambers, Illmatic, All Eyez On Me, Ready To Die, Cuban Linx, Aquemini, E.1999 Eternal, Doggystyle, Amerikkkaz Most Wanted, Midnight Marauders, etc etc.....now, THOSE are albums that are considered classic by a general consensus. Brother Lynch Hung, X-Raided, and such are only considered classic by their respective fanbases, not hip hop fans in general.
As for the alias thing, Snoop may have been calling himself Eastwood in 92', but if you ask almost any rapper in the industry today who started all the alias trends, I can almost guarantee you their answer will be "Raekwon and Ghostface, with the Cuban Linx album"........
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I dont maybe its just me, but when I hear people talking about "classic" albums, I dont hear people mentioning X-raided albums, Brother Lynch albums, or Operation Stackola. When I hear people talk about classic albums, its usually the same ones: Chronic, 36 Chambers, Illmatic, All Eyez On Me, Ready To Die, Cuban Linx, Aquemini, E.1999 Eternal, Doggystyle, Amerikkkaz Most Wanted, Midnight Marauders, etc etc.....now, THOSE are albums that are considered classic by a general consensus. Brother Lynch Hung, X-Raided, and such are only considered classic by their respective fanbases, not hip hop fans in general.
As for the alias thing, Snoop may have been calling himself Eastwood in 92', but if you ask almost any rapper in the industry today who started all the alias trends, I can almost guarantee you their answer will be "Raekwon and Ghostface, with the Cuban Linx album"........
you dont hear it cuz theyre not really major label relases...sure noo trybe was distributed by virgin....but virgin never pushed their album....x-raideds and brotha lynchs albums are classic...listen to them....then you will change your mind....cuz to be a classic the album doesnt have to be a major label release...it just has to be good...so get off ur commercial mind frame
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has better albums, production, diss songs and are generally less mainstream
no particular reason why im venting off, its just that i hate east coast dick suckers just as much as white female rap
fans....well almost
the west has much realer cats, a better independant scene, better beefs and diss songs, and better producers
I feel you 100% I respect the East from the fact that.. it all started there. No doubt, The East has planted a big assss foot in hip hop history, NO DOUBT! But the one thing they haven't done is take chances. (I'll explain.. this is just IMO)
It just seems to me that at a certain point, The East just stopped being creative and settled for this new age Jiggy image.. which, no doubt, sells records. But it doesn't mean they've grown musically. It just means that they've settled for record sales. Which.. I can't knock. I mean, hey.. We would all die to be able to live like any of them. (If only we could bring in that type of cash working 9 to 5.) I'll stick to being a fan.
But, like you waz sayin dogg.. the West has a much better independant scene and devoted fans who support it. That's what makes them (as you say) "REAL!"
West Coast artists can't help but relate to their audiance because they sale records at (what I call) "Ground Zero. Meaning, out they fuckin trunks, at any and every show (even they homies,) when ever, where ever, what ever.. On the concrete... in they old beat up ass Pumas.. they gonna sell these records and thats why I love the Independant hustle game. That's E 40, Thats JT, Thats Too $hort, etc. It's complete independance and creative control. That alone (work ethic) deserve's some fuckin respect.
See.. areas like The Bay aint got no major distributor, calling the retail shops, re-stocking shelf space when they run out. (The Warehouse and Tower, etc.) It's usually the artist drive and dedication that moves units and re-stocks shelf space.
Only the core fans check for these albums which makes them even more important then most major releases, even if the major release is dope. I.E. I take more pride and value in my OG Get Low Records collection then my Deathrow or DPGC collection. It's just that JT worked hard, got his shit stollen and found a way to keep ridin.
But the East lacks this type fan base and hustle. They lack fans who hold them to standards so in turn their fans take what ever shit they seem to shovel. The East has always been about Big Label hustle and has never really recognize the little guys. Sure, in some cases, but not many. They've just recently begun to explore the benefits of working independantly. But there are many more success stories over here on the West.
Producers, and diss songs I would have say are a toss up.. a matter of opinon. But as far as realness, and independant hustle.. The WEST GOT IT LOCKED!!!
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alright alright i feel what you sayin, but its my opinion right, and why you gotta say all i listen to from the east, is dmx and puffy, right? i mean that wasnt needed right?
peace
i never said that's what you listen to i said that's all you seem to obviously been exposed to, so yes it was very needed, and again expand your horizons more and take a music apreciation class or 2 and see if you say those same things...if you don't that's cool, nothing wrong with being happy in your ignorance (not a diss)
as for all this influecial stuff that hellrazor and tone are arguing about
all that needs to be said is
PE and NWA are the 2 most influential groups period
like rock head will tell you about black sabath in the rock world "everything your listening to now is sabath"
same can be aplied with PE and NWA, everything your hearing in rap in every genre of it is PE and NWA to a degree, hell you can even spread that into modern rock with those too
wu tang gets their dues but they're like the NY Knicks franchise (historically) compared to the Celtics franchise histor and Lakers
[woa that was a good comparison :)]
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Tell me one WestCoast album (Appart from a Dr Dre CD) that can compete with the East top dogs, Nas, Jay Z, Ja Rule, Jay-Z / R Kelly LP, State Property , Mobb Deep, , Ruff Ryders,Kiss, Eve, Joe, P-Diddy, P-Diddy , P-Diddy , P-Diddy , Shyne, KRS One, RAWKUS crew, REDMAN!!!
Camron soon!!!
I cant see one cat out West with an album released recently that can compare to brand nubians GRAND PUBA last album, GHOSTFACE, G Dep, Kool G Rap
The list goes on........ NY has Hip Hop on LOCK, always has/always will.
Knocturnal album was nothing more than cool, Baby S dissapointed me, Warren G was poor compared to his older shit, Nate Dogg still wasnt great, DJ QUIK WILL BE THE SHIT CAUSE HE@S THE GREATEST, Mack 10 was good....
dpgc 4life homieshahaha
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Tell me one WestCoast album (Appart from a Dr Dre CD) that can compete with the East top dogs, Nas, Jay Z, Ja Rule, Jay-Z / R Kelly LP, State Property , Mobb Deep, , Ruff Ryders,Kiss, Eve, Joe, P-Diddy, P-Diddy , P-Diddy , P-Diddy , Shyne, KRS One, RAWKUS crew, REDMAN!!!
Camron soon!!!
I cant see one cat out West with an album released recently that can compare to brand nubians GRAND PUBA last album, GHOSTFACE, G Dep, Kool G Rap
The list goes on........ NY has Hip Hop on LOCK, always has/always will.
Knocturnal album was nothing more than cool, Baby S dissapointed me, Warren G was poor compared to his older shit, Nate Dogg still wasnt great, DJ QUIK WILL BE THE SHIT CAUSE HE@S THE GREATEST, Mack 10 was good....
dpgc 4life homieshahaha
every album sucked this year except for a few...the best album of the year was CRIP HOP by Jayo Felony....not only was it a SOLID album but he ripped but Gay-z and Cac-a-fella....hell even snoop felt the wrath....ok so now u wanna talk about "big dogs" well ill run down the list of the west coast big dogs who kill the east coast.....Tray Deee, King T, DJ Quik, Xzibit, Freestyle Fellowship, Medusa, Ms Marvaless, Brotha Lynch, X-Raided, E-40, Jayo, Snoop, Dre, Kurupt, Daz, Too Short, Yukmouth, Suga Free, W.C., Ice Cube, MC Ren, Booyaa Tribe, Ras Kass, Crooked I....thats just a very short list....so all u east coast dick riders should know....U CANNOT CONTEST WITH THE WEST COAST!!!!
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every album sucked this year except for a few...the best album of the year was CRIP HOP by Jayo Felony....not only was it a SOLID album but he ripped but Gay-z and Cac-a-fella....hell even snoop felt the wrath....ok so now u wanna talk about "big dogs" well ill run down the list of the west coast big dogs who kill the east coast.....Tray Deee, King T, DJ Quik, Xzibit, Freestyle Fellowship, Medusa, Ms Marvaless, Brotha Lynch, X-Raided, E-40, Jayo, Snoop, Dre, Kurupt, Daz, Too Short, Yukmouth, Suga Free, W.C., Ice Cube, MC Ren, Booyaa Tribe, Ras Kass, Crooked I....thats just a very short list....so all u east coast dick riders should know....U CANNOT CONTEST WITH THE WEST COAST!!!!
FINALLY sumbody givin that Album sum fukin propz on this board. (jayo) EASILY tha most underrated album of tha year. And as for tha East. I dont see them as havin better MC's really. They jus talk about a different subject then Westcoast MC's. that doesnt make them betta. It all dependz on HOW u bring that subject (that yur talkin bout) to tha viewers. So for sayin tha east has hip hop on lock, and that they alwayz will...makes NO sense whatsoeva. Cus for a long while they WERENT on top. Tha east doesnt have "hip hop" on lock...they got "hip hop media" on lock.
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Look, im born and raised in Cali, and I love west coast hip hop, but anyone in their right mind knows that the east historically will ALWAYZ be the prominant region for TRUE hip hop. The west has its great lyricists, but the great lyricists that reside in the east is endless: Nas, Kool G Rap, almost the entire Wu Tang, Q tip, Biggie, Chuck D, Guru, KRS One, Rakim, and Redman to name just a few. Sorry, but the west coast aint fuckin with that, and this is coming from someone BORN AND RAISED on the west coast. Now, the greatest MC ever is a west coast MC [last I saw, his name was 2Pac], but if you wanna go MC for MC, the east is easily superior. The reason why the east is better is because they care more about the artform than most of the west coast rappers do. Sure, the east coast has its wack rappers {Ja Rule, Puffy, etc etc], but all the MC's I listed above among others are more creative and lyrically better than the majority of west coast MC's.
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Look, im born and raised in Cali, and I love west coast hip hop, but anyone in their right mind knows that the east historically will ALWAYZ be the prominant region for TRUE hip hop. The west has its great lyricists, but the great lyricists that reside in the east is endless: Nas, Kool G Rap, almost the entire Wu Tang, Q tip, Biggie, Chuck D, Guru, KRS One, Rakim, and Redman to name just a few. Sorry, but the west coast aint fuckin with that, and this is coming from someone BORN AND RAISED on the west coast. Now, the greatest MC ever is a west coast MC [last I saw, his name was 2Pac], but if you wanna go MC for MC, the east is easily superior. The reason why the east is better is because they care more about the artform than most of the west coast rappers do. Sure, the east coast has its wack rappers {Ja Rule, Puffy, etc etc], but all the MC's I listed above among others are more creative and lyrically better than the majority of west coast MC's.
"anyone in their right mind"? LOL Explain why the east wasnt on top in tha early nineties. Explain how tha South managed to take the crown for a few yrs. This shit goes in cycles. Also, could u tell me how it is that rappers in tha east are better lyricists? they jus have a different subject matter then tha west. tha west tells a MUCH different story in their rhymes then tha east. Dont get confused by tha dictionary rhymers who u think are so tight (wu tang). half of tha shit they say makes NO sense. Tha use of "big words" only matters, if u use them CORRECTLY. LOL. I dont see tha east as bein any tighter lyrically then any other region. i wont say theyre weaker....but i wont say theyre tighter. their tha same. But i dont feel their shit at all cus most of tha time tha shit they put out is jus plain boring. im tired of tha easts same...boring....stale style. they can keep that bullshit. And if u think tha fact that theyre sellin more records right now...doesnt have anything to do wit tha biasness of their radio stations n magazines...yur crazee az hell homie. Eastcoast dickridaz make me sick. especially when they frum tha west. Disgrace....
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Im an east coast dickrider now?? Give me a mothafuckin break. Yea, im such an east coast dickrider, even though my fav MC ever is a west coast MC and my fav group ever is from the midwest [they hail from Ohio and are thuggish ruggish, I forgot the name of the group, you figure it out].
The east has alwayz been on top of every other region. Not necessarily on the charts, but as far has having the most dope MC's. Every region has great lyricists, but the east just happens to have the most of the 4 major regions. The styles are different, but if we must really debate this, you can post a verse from a west coast MC you think is real dope [other than Pac] and ill post a verse from an east coast MC, and we can see which is better...........