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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: coola on March 22, 2006, 05:42:14 AM
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just ask any arabic christian or a jew wat does he call jesus or yahweh in arabic,it's allah
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if you had really big balls, you would have said:
allah/god vs jesus
kaseem:
arabic christians call jesus "allah"? or "the son of allah"?
i think you meant to say god/yahweh and not jesus/yahweh.
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God= English word for the Highest Power (Creator).
Allah= Arabic word for the Highest Power (Creator).
It's the same thing just a difference in language.
I think what you meant to do is say...
Who is better? Jesus or Allah. -- See, Jesus believed in Allah (God). And he prayed to Allah (God). But many years after he died, Paul started teaching that Jesus was God or a partner to God (son of God). This was not the teachings of Jesus, nor was it the teachings of Moses when he brought the 10 commandments which read "Thou Shall Not Make Partners With God (no god before God)."
Muslims believe in the same God Abraham (and all the Prophets known and unknown) believed in. You see, all prophets taught to believe in the Creator and do righteous deeds. The confusion comes with Paul's teachings.
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I believe in myself
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no... i didnt mean Jesus vs. God, who would make that kind of comparison ?... i meant God vs. allah... i realise they have the same meaning, doesnt necessarily mean theyre the same.
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i think the confusion stems from mohammeds ramblings... 1+1=2 ... cant deny maths.
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God= English word for the Highest Power (Creator).
Allah= Arabic word for the Highest Power (Creator).
It's the same thing just a difference in language.
I think what you meant to do is say...
Who is better? Jesus or Allah. -- See, Jesus believed in Allah (God). And he prayed to Allah (God). But many years after he died, Paul started teaching that Jesus was God or a partner to God (son of God). This was not the teachings of Jesus, nor was it the teachings of Moses when he brought the 10 commandments which read "Thou Shall Not Make Partners With God (no god before God)."
Muslims believe in the same God Abraham (and all the Prophets known and unknown) believed in. You see, all prophets taught to believe in the Creator and do righteous deeds. The confusion comes with Paul's teachings.
Was the Gospel of John written by Paul as well?
Did the rabbis of the time reject Jesus because he claimed he was just a prophet?
I'm not trying to disprove your theory but let's realize that is just a theory and blatantly present it as factual is wrong. You cannot know that it was Paul that changed the Gospels or that John didn't write it like that, or that Jesus never said it like that. Just like I cannot know the opposite. You should bring a little intelligence to intelligent conversation.
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I believe in myself
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no... i didnt mean Jesus vs. God, who would make that kind of comparison ?... i meant God vs. allah... i realise they have the same meaning, doesnt necessarily mean theyre the same.
i dont understand.....u said they have the same meaning, but they dont mean the same thing? maybe if you said something like christianty vs. islam, or something like that it would make sense.
God=Allah
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no... i didnt mean Jesus vs. God, who would make that kind of comparison ?... i meant God vs. allah... i realise they have the same meaning, doesnt necessarily mean theyre the same.
i dont understand.....u said they have the same meaning, but they dont mean the same thing? maybe if you said something like christianty vs. islam, or something like that it would make sense.
God=Allah
Exactly. LMFAO @ this poll. Allah is God and God is Allah. In fact its the exact same God being worshipped technically in both cases, just through a different approach.
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no... i didnt mean Jesus vs. God, who would make that kind of comparison ?... i meant God vs. allah... i realise they have the same meaning, doesnt necessarily mean theyre the same.
i dont understand.....u said they have the same meaning, but they dont mean the same thing? maybe if you said something like christianty vs. islam, or something like that it would make sense.
God=Allah
Exactly. LMFAO @ this poll. Allah is God and God is Allah. In fact its the exact same God being worshipped technically in both cases, just through a different approach.
:sign_werd: But I think what he is trying to say is which is the corect way of beiliving. The belief that the almighty creator was Allah and he wantes us to do... or that the almighty creator was God and he wanted us to... Despite the fact they are the same people, both religons belive differently on who he is.
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no... i didnt mean Jesus vs. God, who would make that kind of comparison ?... i meant God vs. allah... i realise they have the same meaning, doesnt necessarily mean theyre the same.
i dont understand.....u said they have the same meaning, but they dont mean the same thing? maybe if you said something like christianty vs. islam, or something like that it would make sense.
God=Allah
Exactly. LMFAO @ this poll. Allah is God and God is Allah. In fact its the exact same God being worshipped technically in both cases, just through a different approach.
:sign_werd: But I think what he is trying to say is which is the corect way of beiliving. The belief that the almighty creator was Allah and he wantes us to do... or that the almighty creator was God and he wanted us to... Despite the fact they are the same people, both religons belive differently on who he is.
Yeah, but the thing is that there are different approaches within each religion. Take a look at Christianity, and how many different interpretations of it are there (Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Orthodox, Coptic, Methodist etc.). Same goes for Islam, even though with not as many variations (Sunnis, Shi'ites, Sufis, Wahabis etc.).
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^ funny thing is the sunnies and shiites spill blood over bullshit...
atleast the majority of christians live in harmony...
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^ funny thing is the sunnies and shiites spill blood over bullshit...
atleast the majority of christians live in harmony...
it's america's fault.they shoulda had a fuckin plan after taking down sadaam
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The Christian God is superior to the Islamic God because the Christian God is true and real.
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btw, it's not like the christians havent had any wars amongst themselves in history. there were 6 different christian wars from 1524 thru 1648. and let's not forget our KKK friends.they weren't very "peaceful" either
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The Christian God is superior to the Islamic God because the Christian God is true and real.
just like santa clause and the easter bunny ::) ::)
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it's america's fault.they shoulda had a fuckin plan after taking down sadaam
Sunnis and Shiites were slaughtering each other long before the US ever invaded Iraq. Quit blaming everything on America.
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just like santa clause and the easter bunny ::) ::)
Take a look around the Islamic world, and take a look around the Christian world. Then ask yourself which area has been blessed with peace and prosperity, and which area has been cursed with poverty, disease, and violence. Then you will answer for yourself whose God is real.
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BaBa >>> God and Allah combined
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it's america's fault.they shoulda had a fuckin plan after taking down sadaam
Sunnis and Shiites were slaughtering each other long before the US ever invaded Iraq. Quit blaming everything on America.
so you're trying to say that the brink of civil war is iraq's fault? you are truely :camp:
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just like santa clause and the easter bunny ::) ::)
Take a look around the Islamic world, and take a look around the Christian world. Then ask yourself which area has been blessed with peace and prosperity, and which area has been cursed with poverty, disease, and violence. Then you will answer for yourself whose God is real.
land built on slavery, civil war, 2 WORLD wars, failure of vietnam and the bay of pigs, natural disasters, earthquakes, terrorism, the mess in iraq, most national debt in the world (and growing), political scandals and propoganda, racism, and the rest of the world hating you. peace and prosperity MY ASS :nahnah:
and btw, im glad to know you feel pride over those in struggle, people that fear walking down the street because of bombings, people that do not have food to eat. people that have done nothing wrong but live. you just proved the point that while america gets fat, they point and laugh at the starving people of other countries. may god have mercy on you walker, you are the most racist son of a bitch i've ever met in my life.
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ok only one person understood the point of this thread...
and the shiites and sunnies have been fighting ever since mohammed died and his brothers or sons or whatever couldnt come to an agreement on what he was rambling about...
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^ funny thing is the sunnies and shiites spill blood over bullshit...
atleast the majority of christians live in harmony...
I wouldn't be so sure.
Christianity has been responsible for more wars in the world than any religion combined, and that included many wars between different branches of Christianity as well. Furhtermore Christians killed off way more people in attempts to forcefully convert them than representatives of any other religion.
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ok only one person understood the point of this thread...
and the shiites and sunnies have been fighting ever since mohammed died and his brothers or sons or whatever couldnt come to an agreement on what he was rambling about...
Again, like I said, sure there have been clashes and conflicts, but they have rarely taken the proportions of a full scale war.
In fact the only other clash in history that was anywhere near as violent and dramatic as the one in Iraq right now was between the Abassid Persia and the Arab Caliphates to the West, and that had to do with territory more than it did with religion.
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unlike christianinty, no one was forcefully converted . at the start muslims were against conversion.
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
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LMAO ,that most popular book in the world had the most scientific errors in the world,while the inaccurate rambling had countless scientific facts that were only discovered in the last 10 years. humans were only were creatred 5000 bc according to the bible,how can this be true ???????????????????????????
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
jesus is also one of allah's prophets.
i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
b) it in many ways eliminates and downplays the role and nature of god. while most religions maintain that the true nature of god is incomprehensible, and even when divine entities manifests in some physical forms those forms are acknowledged as lesser projections of the divine...christianity tends to portray their god as a man; and worship this physical form. the nature of god is not man; the physical form of jesus is/was not his true nature. christianity in many ways redefines the false identity of physical man as the true identity and nature of not only man but of god. this is something that i disagree with. while many religions struggle with representing ideas like the afterlife and the true nature of existential beings in forms other than human, i remain skeptical of religions that reduce the nature of god to human as well.
c) it advances this notion that a person need only be "a good person", and not necessarily need to know or understand the nature of man or god or existence to be "rewarded". the notion that the belief in jesus is more important than prayer and worship. again, i think this is a wrongheaded approach. in a karmic sense, a person that leads "a good life" will not be punished in the afterlife. but this is the least of all possible rewards. it's a mode of thinking that continues to be absorbed on the false identity and the physical sense. most religions are about progressing "upward", that christian philosophy leads to the least amount of progress.
d) christianity tends to mesh very poorly with other belief systems, largely because of the cult like nature of the theory that a man was god and that man should be worshipped. i've seen interpretations of the life of christ that were far more meaningful and beneficial; but those were all outside of christianity.
e) with christianity, the fundamentals are about worshipping some guy. shallow made an interesting point in another thread about how a person could be a christian by living a good life (following the teachings of christ) and not need to know christ. this amused me because not only did he somehow manage to remove christ from christianity; but it also ignores the need to understand the true nature of man, god and existence. so while that approach made some sense, it was still deficit.
in contrast, infinite gave me a copy of the holy qu'ran. initially i approached it with great skepticism, but there was nothing in the qu'ran that i could disagree with.
a) the qu'ran empowers individuals and teaches them to stand up against oppression and injustice. it preserves the complexity of human existence.
b) the qu'ran respects and the preserves the nature of god/the creator, and strays away from attributing human qualities to god.
c) the qu'ran reaffirms the value of worship & prayer for spiritual development. it establishes the idea that "being a good person" is not good enough for the ultimate reward; by presenting the notion of multiple heavens and greater heavens.
d) the qu'ran meshes very well with other systems of belief. most systems of belief are going to have islam at their core. the qu'ran by itself is enough for significant spiritual development, additionally it blends well with other ideas. largely because the core principals of islam are fundamental and basic. essential.
it's amusing that you would try to say jesus vs muhammad. the difference is clear. the prophet muhammad (peace be upon him) is not worshipped by muslims. jesus (peace by upon him) is worshipped by most christians. therein lies the difference.
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Where's the 2Pac option?
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Sunnis and Shiites were slaughtering each other long before the US ever invaded Iraq. Quit blaming everything on America.
^^^Not true. That's a lie. They have lived peacefully side by side for centuries, with only occasional skirmishes. The United States Occupation is just following the age old war strategy of divide and conquer.
Muslims recognize this trick because this is not the first time it has been used against us. Infact, it's been used many times.
Anyone can go to there local video store and rent the movie "Lawrence of Arabia". It's the story of a British intelligence officer. At the time he went to Arabia to do the devils work; the Arabs were pledging allegiance to the Ottoman Empire that lead the Muslim world from it's headquarters in what is now Turkey. He did the devils handiwork by persauding the bediun tribes who were followers of the Saud family and Shiek Abdul Wahaab that they were Arabs first, and that they needed to fight against the Islamic Khalifah (Ottoman Empire) to become a Nation/state of their own. As a result, today, they are client state of the American and British Empire (what you would call neo-colonialism).
Here are more details into the matter...
If we look historically to relations between Sunni and Shia in Iraq we don’t see any ‘Pandora’s Box’ of tensions. Rather we see both sets of Muslims have always lived together side by side, worshipping in the same mosques and inter-marrying. Despite differences of opinion over some Islamic issues both Sunni and Shia both see themselves and each other as Muslims first. The Western media continually labels mosques and neighbourhoods in Iraq as being either Sunni or Shia. Yet this distinction is a misnomer. A mosque is a House of Allah, and cannot be described as a Sunni or Shia mosque. This is why the attack on Al-Askara mosque was just as upsetting to Sunni as it was to Shia. The Shia Imam Muqtada al-Sadr said after the attack, “My message to the Iraqi people is to stand united and bonded, and not to fall into the Western trap. The West is trying to divide the Iraqi people.” During the April 2004 assault on Fallujah, the besieged Sunni city was assisted by Shia and Sunni from across Iraq, who brought medical and food aid for their brothers. They chanted, “No no Sunni, No no Shia, Yes yes Islam”. In Baghdad, Sunni and Shia filled the Amm al-Qura mosque, while 200,000 gathered in Baghdad for a demonstration against the assault.
The west likes to cite the Sunni Shia differences as evidence that only a secular solution is the way forward for Iraq. The Library Journal's review of Olivier Roy's mid-nineties book, 'The Failure of Political Islam' echoed the views of many in the West, “…the attempt to create a universal Islamist state is doomed to failure because of the conflicts between Sunni and Shia forms and other ethnic differences in the Islamic world…” However, both Sunni and Shia are Muslim and have more in common with each other than differences. Both agree on the fundamental tenets of the Islamic belief and that the Qur’an and Sunnah are the principle sources of Islamic law. The main Shia school of thought (madhab) is the Jafari one. This was founded by Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq the sixth Shia Imam, who was also the teacher of Imam Abu Hanifa the founder of the largest Sunni madhab.
The political rule of a future Caliphate is neither Sunni nor Shia, rather it is Islamic. The head of state may adopt legislation from many different schools of thought, whether Sunni or Shia. The people will obey these laws as the law of the land. The Head of State however, will not adopt legislation covering personal worships and beliefs unless they have a societal impact such as Zakat. The Caliphate is not a police state that will intrude in to people’s homes investigating what beliefs they hold.
The solution to sectarian violence in Iraq is to establish a Caliphate that will unify all Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, Arab or Kurd. This was outlined by Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Iraq when it organised a unity conference in Baghdad on 4th November 2004, inviting prominent figures from both the Sunni and Shia groups. Mohammed Baqr al-Sadr, uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr declared while under house arrest because of his opposition to Ba’athism and non-Islamic rule in Iraq, “The only thing I have sought in my life is to make the establishment of an Islamic government on earth possible”. Before his execution at the hands of Saddam in 1980, he said “It is incumbent on every Muslim…to liberate themselves from this inhuman gang, and to establish a righteous, unique, and honourable rule based on Islam”. Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere should heed these words and work together to bring about the “honourable rule based on Islam”.
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Good to see there's some intelligent and knowledgeble people on this forum. Nibs, Kaseem & Sultan Abdul Hameed, much respect to you all.
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well the sunnis and shias did't have beef until the usa invaded iraq,back in kuwait i was living in a persion shia town ,as a sunni growing in that area not one fight or arguent was caused by the different schools.
and about the ottamans they eren't really an islamic khalifa,they were just using the arabs as source of money,in egypt,syria,lebanon arabs were treated as inferior to turks
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Yeah bro, of course there was some tension in some areas, but overall that tension was nowhere near what it is today, thanks to Georgie and his neo-con buddies.
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i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, even dumber than when you said we need to accept Muslim oppression of religious minorities because it is their culture.
Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice? Just look at American history. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches. Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches. What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
You really have no clue what you are talking about. That is nothing new.
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sunnis and shias have been battling each other for quite some time.
in Pakistan i know they always fought and styll do fight.
I also heard they used to have arguments in Kenya and Tanzania, although i don't think anything ever was violent just debates.
as for the comment on the Christian God being better than the Islamic God; God is the same whether u believe God in Christianity or in Islam.
now the belief systems of the religion are different. u can worship God in different ways but that won't change what/who God is.
if we are talking about which belief system is better, than both sides can make their case
some the things written on Mohammad, let's clarify them
he definitely did not live a plush life. he lost his father before he was born and his mother when i think he was only 8 years old. when he was older and Islam came to be, him and his followers were boycotted and kicked out of Mecca for a few years. after him and his followers were allowed back into Mecca, there was a plot one night to have him killed while he was asleep; he found out and was able to escape with Ali (who Shias believe was the trus successor after him) taking his place while he migrated i believe to Medina. he also had a few children, from what i remember i think it was 3 boys and 4 girls. all 3 of his boys died at an early age.
i dunno what was meant about the ramblings that were documented, if you are talking about the Quran; the Quran that is written in Arabic is consistent in every true version (there have been fake Qurans being spread nowadays). The translation form Arabic might not completely accurate BUT they have the same idea; the reason it may slightly be inconsitent from version to version is because Arabic words translated into can have more than one meaning; the same would work vice-versa. To interpret the translation properly, you have to do research on the translation; i know in my Sunday school before i graduated and became a teacher, they had a course for that where we would dissect the translation of the Quran and try interpreting it better.
and finally the 2 parties trying to kill each other....this again goes back to the time after Mohammad's death. Shias believed that Mohamamd declared Ali his successor while Sunnis believed that Mohammad only meant Ali was his friend and that a new leader should be voted in. even at taht time, Ali did not battle the 3 caliphates that were there before him because he knew it would cause tons of problems; rather he waited until everybody took him as the leader. now Muslims nowadays are fighting, which is pretty stupid and wrong because they are taking the religion into their own hands and giving it a negative message and until Muslims don't realize this, nothing can be done.
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Good to see there's some intelligent and knowledgeble muslim people on this forum. Nibs, Kaseem & Sultan Abdul Hameed, much respect to you all.
LMAO, i bet allah's bottom bitch pm'd you ;D
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i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, even dumber than when you said we need to accept Muslim oppression of religious minorities because it is their culture.
Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice? Just look at American history. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches. Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches. What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
You really have no clue what you are talking about. That is nothing new.
LMAO. Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice?
Try the colonization of South America and the genocide of the indigenous population in the name of Christianity. Try the purely politically motivated Crusades, in which even Christian cities in the Balkans and Byzantine were razed and pillaged, with whole populations slaughtered. Try the colonization of Africa and once again, use of Christianity to justify it. Try the European wars of religions such as the War of the League of Augsburg in the 1500's or the 30 years War just to name a few. Try the racist churches in the South that preached racial segregation and once again used verses from the Bible to justify slavery. Try the Holy Inquisition in Spain.
Shall I go on?
And you got the nerve to tell someone else they have no clue what they're talking about?
Good to see there's some intelligent and knowledgeble muslim people on this forum. Nibs, Kaseem & Sultan Abdul Hameed, much respect to you all.
LMAO, i bet allah's bottom bitch pm'd you ;D
Eh? Riiiight...... ::)
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LMAO. Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice?
Try the colonization of South America and the genocide of the indigenous population in the name of Christianity. Try the purely politically motivated Crusades, in which even Christian cities in the Balkans and Byzantine were razed and pillaged, with whole populations slaughtered. Try the colonization of Africa and once again, use of Christianity to justify it. Try the European wars of religions such as the War of the League of Augsburg in the 1500's or the 30 years War just to name a few. Try the racist churches in the South that preached racial segregation and once again used verses from the Bible to justify slavery. Try the Holy Inquisition in Spain.
Shall I go on?
And you got the nerve to tell someone else they have no clue what they're talking about?
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^^Keep blessing the board with your knowledge. And let me add to your list...
...make no mistake about it, Bush's largest support group for his current war is the Christian right, and they have killed 100's of thousands of people in Afganistan and Iraq in the last 6 years, and this is all being done with the support of the Christian right. Bush himself, is a born again Christian. Christians are killing more people in the world today than any religious group, by far.
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and about the ottamans they eren't really an islamic khalifa,they were just using the arabs as source of money,in egypt,syria,lebanon arabs were treated as inferior to turks
I strongly disagree. I don't like what you are implying in your statement that Uthmani Empire was not a legitimate Khalifah and that it was justified for "Arabs" to rebel against them...
Today these "Arab" regions that rebelled against the Uthmani Empire are paying for their mistakes and they have become nothing more than client states of the West. They were better off paying taxes and pledging allegiance to a Muslim Khalifah. It was also the correct thing to do Islamically.
The Arab regions within the Empire aloud themselves to be manipulated by the West which brought into these regions their concepts of racism and nationalism. They influenced these countries to fight on the basis of nationhood and Arabism, which has no place in Islam. Because a Muslim should be seeking to perserve the unity of the Muslim (Ummah), and a Muslim is not aloud to take aid from non-believers in order to fight a rebellion against his Muslim brothers.
All the colonial powers wanted to do was weaken the Ottoman Empire by dividing the Muslim world up into nation states. Then, it became very easy for them to subjugate the populations of these smaller, weaker nations. Which is exactly what happened after WW1. History is best qualified to teach one.
Palestine is a perfect example. The British promoted ideas of nationalism and racism to the Arab Palestinians and encouraged them to rebel against the Ottoman Empire. Then as soon as the Ottoman Empire (Islamic Khalifah) was out of the picture, they began their plan of eradicating the Arabs off their land and created in their place a Jewish homeland.
Plain and simple: Ask any Palestnian if they are better off now, then they were 100 years ago under the Ottoman Empire?
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^ Real talk and nothing else once again my brother.
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Where's the option for Chuck Norris?
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you infinite i respect all that but its a fact arabs were treated as a second rate citizens at that time.a mulim khalifa would make the best possible ruler rule,not based on his national origin like the turks did.
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ottamosn were more of an imperilistic power than a khalifa, and they weren't offical khailfas,they named themselves that when they got the power.
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
shut up...
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i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, even dumber than when you said we need to accept Muslim oppression of religious minorities because it is their culture.
Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice? Just look at American history. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches. Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches. What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
"accept" was the wrong word there. without question; imploring on christian values [and religious values in general], has been at the heart of many nonviolent movements that have realized great social change. at the same time, there are demonstrable limits to the extent to which such movements can be successful; and the amount of change they can realize. those sorts of movements are easy, and the mentality is a trap. those sorts of protests couldn't stop the iraq war that was unpopular from the start, and can't bring the troops home now. you don't hear christian groups advocating that george bush be put down for the good of mankind.
in addition the christian prophecies of the "endtimes" paint a scenario of doom and gloom with the world spinning out of controll where only their savior can correct the situation.
in contrast the qu'ran makes it clear that god abhors oppression, abhors injustice; and one of the tests of man is whether or not they are willing to step up and take action to correct the wrongs around them.
i maintain that one message is more empowering than the other.
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
For Muslims there is no debate over Jesus vs. Muhammad because they are both highly revered as messengers of Allah, and the Qu'ran very clearly states that we make no distinction amongst the messengers of God.
2:285 The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny."[/b]
2:136 Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
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you infinite i respect all that but its a fact arabs were treated as a second rate citizens at that time.a mulim khalifa would make the best possible ruler rule,not based on his national origin like the turks did.
First of all, your my brother and I got nothing but respect for you. I think we can debate this subject politely but if I say anything that angers or offends you, just PM me and let me know, and we can discuss it over privately.
...now, as for you justification, it flat out is not good enough. You can't seek to destroy and break up the Muslim world just because you feel like your particular race isn't getting treated like they are the best. I'm sure some Sultans/Khalifa's may have been better than others, and everywhere you go you may find racist people, but that justification just isn't good enough.
#1-it's not sufficient from an Islamic perspective. #2.- Under the Ottoman, you claim that Arabs were treated like second class citizens by the Turks. So at WW1 they sought the help of white colonial powers, and now under those white colonial powers the Arabs have become the most disgraced race on the face of the Earth. Their blood is the cheapest in the world, and they are humiliated daily in the news and media.
...Personally, I love Arabs, but look at the way they are being treated today and tell me honestly that they are not more humiliated now then ever before. Look at the stand the last Sultan/Khalifah Abdul-Hameed took for the Arabs in Palestine. The Jews offered to pay off all the debts of the Ottoman Empire, and they offered a great deal of money to supply resources to bulk up their military capabilities. In return the Jews wanted a piece of Palestine. Sultan Abdul-Hameed, like other Sultans who came before him, emphatically turned down the offer.
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either way you suckaz lose... i didnt read any of your boring excuses :P
youre still good people, just heavily mis-guided...
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You people are fucking dumb.. especially this Forrest Gump clone named Chief...
here are some more questions...
"Would you rather have $10 or $20 divided by 2?"
"Would you rather live in the U.S. or in the country that lies between Canada and Mexico?"
"Do you prefer cold water, or water that's the opposite of hot?"
fucking doofus
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i think the confusion stems from mohammeds ramblings... 1+1=2 ... cant deny maths.
Or 1 God = 3 Gods...
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atleast the majority of christians live in harmony...
Look at history and the role religion plays in certain regions of the world.
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just like santa clause and the easter bunny ::) ::)
Take a look around the Islamic world, and take a look around the Christian world. Then ask yourself which area has been blessed with peace and prosperity, and which area has been cursed with poverty, disease, and violence. Then you will answer for yourself whose God is real.
Yes because there is a correlation between God and wealth. And it also doesn't help your argument when you're talking about violence and peace... and then look at who's dropping bombs on who.
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
Christian priests fuck little boys.
Mohammed didn't live a plush life.
Inaccurate ramblings? This would describe the Bible that's been corrupted over time.
Muslims look at Jesus and Mohammed in the same light... messengers of God.
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1. Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice?
2. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches.
Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches.
What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
You really have no clue what you are talking about. That is nothing new.
1. Just to provide a couple quick examples out of the many to choose from... Inquisition, Crusades, genocide of the indigenous population in the new world, dropping atomic bombs on Japan, killing thousands of innocent people in Iraq, etc.
2. Who brought the blacks here as slaves in the first place? Christians.
Who was lynching blacks? Christians.
Who did Martin Luther King have to demand equality from in the first place? Christians.
Whats your point?
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am not saying arabs are better of right now but from where i see it i think the ottamosn used islam for there own greed,maybe when they started it was all good but the last 60 or so yearsthey fucked up,even tho now i would rather the ottaomns were still in power
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why oh why do u guys take these goofs serious? dont waste ur breathe, just insult them.
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Forrest Gump clone named Chief
LMAO!!!!!
(http://www.dobhran.com/images/forrestgump3.jpg)
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JML, much respect mayne.
either way you suckaz lose... i didnt read any of your boring excuses :P
youre still good people, just heavily mis-guided...
How do you know if we're misguided if you didn't read any of the posts? Make up your mind...
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You people are fucking dumb.. especially this Forrest Gump clone named Chief...
here are some more questions...
"Would you rather have $10 or $20 divided by 2?"
"Would you rather live in the U.S. or in the country that lies between Canada and Mexico?"
"Do you prefer cold water, or water that's the opposite of hot?"
fucking doofus
God is not the same as Allah...
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ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
Christian priests fuck little boys.
Mohammed didn't live a plush life.
Inaccurate ramblings? This would describe the Bible that's been corrupted over time.
Muslims look at Jesus and Mohammed in the same light... messengers of God.
when did i mention anything about priests ? you see this is how you people function, bring up irrelevant bullshit. and the koran has been corrupt from day 1...
how could mohammed not lived a plush life ? he had more than 1 wife, i thought to have more than 1 wife you need to support them ?
why did you fail to metion Mohammeds army ?
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Forrest Gump clone named Chief
LMAO!!!!!
(http://www.dobhran.com/images/forrestgump3.jpg)
i know what love is.
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i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, even dumber than when you said we need to accept Muslim oppression of religious minorities because it is their culture.
Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice? Just look at American history. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches. Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches. What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
You really have no clue what you are talking about. That is nothing new.
christians caused the deaths thousands in south america. ovbiously u didnt read the diaries of cortez, the spainard who went into mexico with his army. he even claimed that his soldiers defeated the aztechs, even though they brought small pox with them which caused the fall of their capital(cortez takes credit for killing the aztechs, but he didnt small pox did). not to mention all the women they raped, all the gold they took from south america and so on.
tell me u are a proud christian, proud that your people 'crusaded' around, killing many people for their religion. just cause u guys have been tame for the past couple decades doesnt mean the world forgot all the evil shit u guys did. people on this board are educated man, we know history. we know what u guys did.
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chief i dont understand how u say such ignorant statements as u did in the thread, but don't read any replys by fellow members. most of these cats are real enlightened but i feel like sometimes it's too much for u to read/comprehend.
"the qu'ran has been corrupt from day 1" is the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. there's no way that you've ever read the teachings of the qu'ran, but only wat other people say about it.
how could a book that hasn't been changed from the day it was written be corrupt? it does not contain any alterations in its . unlike the bible that has been changed over time. (a fact u mite not know, there is not one copy of the original bible)
the holy qu'ran consists of 114 chapters with a total of 6236 verses....none of them changed over 1400+ years
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You people are fucking dumb.. especially this Forrest Gump clone named Chief...
here are some more questions...
"Would you rather have $10 or $20 divided by 2?"
"Would you rather live in the U.S. or in the country that lies between Canada and Mexico?"
"Do you prefer cold water, or water that's the opposite of hot?"
fucking doofus
God is not the same as Allah...
That statement sums up your stupidity and ignorance, and it clearly portrays how retarded you really are.
Arab Christians refer to "God" as "Allah"... maybe the 400 million Catholics in Latin America who refer to God as "Dios" are also worshipping a different God then, huh?
Fucking doofus.
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chief i dont understand how u say such ignorant statements as u did in the thread, but don't read any replys by fellow members. most of these cats are real enlightened but i feel like sometimes it's too much for u to read/comprehend.
"the qu'ran has been corrupt from day 1" is the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. there's no way that you've ever read the teachings of the qu'ran, but only wat other people say about it.
how could a book that hasn't been changed from the day it was written be corrupt? it does not contain any alterations in its . unlike the bible that has been changed over time. (a fact u mite not know, there is not one copy of the original bible)
the holy qu'ran consists of 114 chapters with a total of 6236 verses....none of them changed over 1400+ years
lol what do u expect from someone who starts a poll asking who is better god/allah? and its pointless arguing with people who are ignoarnt. so dont bother.
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it may be pointless, but it's funny to clown em
(http://www.unn13.com/images/forrest.jpg)
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You people are fucking dumb.. especially this Forrest Gump clone named Chief...
here are some more questions...
"Would you rather have $10 or $20 divided by 2?"
"Would you rather live in the U.S. or in the country that lies between Canada and Mexico?"
"Do you prefer cold water, or water that's the opposite of hot?"
fucking doofus
God is not the same as Allah...
That statement sums up your stupidity and ignorance, and it clearly portrays how retarded you really are.
Arab Christians refer to "God" as "Allah"... maybe the 400 million Catholics in Latin America who refer to God as "Dios" are also worshipping a different God then, huh?
Fucking doofus.
you dont understand the context of the question. i would never call god allah, and i never will... to me allah is just a word with no weight. i dont care they translate to the same definition.
and this thread was made to stir up shit, i did it intentionally just to see how you muslims would react... all i can say is HA ! i dont really care, but it does amaze me how easily you resort to lashings, name calling and being defensive in an aggressive way...
and notice the irony of the pictures youre putting up. you showed a picture of forrest gump, being chased by bullies in a car, that are throwing rocks at forrest gump... hmm...
forrest gump is also seen as a representation of good. he may be dumb, but he knows what love is.
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chief i dont understand how u say such ignorant statements as u did in the thread, but don't read any replys by fellow members. most of these cats are real enlightened but i feel like sometimes it's too much for u to read/comprehend.
"the qu'ran has been corrupt from day 1" is the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. there's no way that you've ever read the teachings of the qu'ran, but only wat other people say about it.
how could a book that hasn't been changed from the day it was written be corrupt? it does not contain any alterations in its . unlike the bible that has been changed over time. (a fact u mite not know, there is not one copy of the original bible)
the holy qu'ran consists of 114 chapters with a total of 6236 verses....none of them changed over 1400+ years
i wont read the replies because i really dont care what they have to say on this matter... the argument they put down is not what i'm interested in.
AND WHAT ABOUT MOHAMMEDS ARMY ? and dont you have to support your many wives ? it says you cant have more than 1 wife unless you can support them... Jesus lived in POVERTY, Moses lived in POVERTY, Mohammed in comparison lived the high life.
;D
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LOL the prophet's first wife was a very successful business woman. she is the one that proposed to the prophet. he married his other wives after her death. some of the women were recent widows of warriors in battle while others were daughters of his close allies. they all accepted islam and understood that he had a great responsibility.
as to your comment about war. Meccans confiscated and stole all the property the muslims had left in mecca. the muslims owned no land in Medina so they would have to live on charity and whatever wage labor they could find, both of which were in very rare to find. these battles were in self-defense. there are MANY verses in the qu'ran related to warfare. here is an example:
"You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers."
"... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them"
"You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors"
the prophet also layed down rules for humane warfare (which was unusual in those times)
"You are neither hard-hearted nor of fierce character, nor one who shouts in the markets. You do not return evil for evil, but excuse and forgive"
"Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman"
The Prophet's successor Abu Bakr said:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
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and as to ur comment about "the high life"....
the prophet was born without a father (he died before the prophet's birth) and his mother died when he was 6 years old. he lived with his grandfather then with his uncle. the prophet became a merchant and one of his employers (his future wife) was very impressed with him and proposed him to marriage. the prophet did not inherit any money from his grandfather or uncle. so i dont understand where u get this "high life" statement from. the prophet was always regarded as a very honest and trustworthy person. (even before the first revelations at age 40)
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LOL the prophet's first wife was a very successful business woman. she is the one that proposed to the prophet. he married his other wives after her death. some of the women were recent widows of warriors in battle while others were daughters of his close allies. they all accepted islam and understood that he had a great responsibility.
as to your comment about war. Meccans confiscated and stole all the property the muslims had left in mecca. the muslims owned no land in Medina so they would have to live on charity and whatever wage labor they could find, both of which were in very rare to find. these battles were in self-defense. there are MANY verses in the qu'ran related to warfare. here is an example:
"You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers."
"... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them"
"You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors"
the prophet also layed down rules for humane warfare (which was unusual in those times)
"You are neither hard-hearted nor of fierce character, nor one who shouts in the markets. You do not return evil for evil, but excuse and forgive"
"Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman"
The Prophet's successor Abu Bakr said:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
pfff that is BULLSHIT. the Koran allows the murders of children, and anyone or anything for that matter... for the means justifies their actions... there are too many examples floating around.
so mohammed wasnt exactly a peaceful man... Jesus had a following of mass proportions, thats the main reason why people were worried... he couldve waged war easy, but nah, just wasnt his or God's style was it ?
you people have to stop making excuses for that book.
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and as to ur comment about "the high life"....
the prophet was born without a father (he died before the prophet's birth) and his mother died when he was 6 years old. he lived with his grandfather then with his uncle. the prophet became a merchant and one of his employers (his future wife) was very impressed with him and proposed him to marriage. the prophet did not inherit any money from his grandfather or uncle. so i dont understand where u get this "high life" statement from. the prophet was always regarded as a very honest and trustworthy person. (even before the first revelations at age 40)
fuck man, people all around the world have problems like that.. who gives a shit he is honest and trust worthy, thats what i expect from anyone and myself.
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LOL the prophet's first wife was a very successful business woman. she is the one that proposed to the prophet. he married his other wives after her death. some of the women were recent widows of warriors in battle while others were daughters of his close allies. they all accepted islam and understood that he had a great responsibility.
as to your comment about war. Meccans confiscated and stole all the property the muslims had left in mecca. the muslims owned no land in Medina so they would have to live on charity and whatever wage labor they could find, both of which were in very rare to find. these battles were in self-defense. there are MANY verses in the qu'ran related to warfare. here is an example:
"You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers."
"... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them"
"You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors"
the prophet also layed down rules for humane warfare (which was unusual in those times)
"You are neither hard-hearted nor of fierce character, nor one who shouts in the markets. You do not return evil for evil, but excuse and forgive"
"Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman"
The Prophet's successor Abu Bakr said:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
pfff that is BULLSHIT. the Koran allows the murders of children, and anyone or anything for that matter... for the means justifies their actions... there are too many examples floating around.
so mohammed wasnt exactly a peaceful man... Jesus had a following of mass proportions, thats the main reason why people were worried... he couldve waged war easy, but nah, just wasnt his or God's style was it ?
you people have to stop making excuses for that book.
WTF are u talkin about bullshit? that is 100% true. it's all in the book if u have the brains to read it for yourself. actually on the other hand, u dont deserve to. u talk all forms of bullshit about my religion, all types of lies and prejudice and i tried to explain to u the true meanings of islam, but u are OBVIOUSLY brainwashed. ur worse than cwalker becaus at least he'll admit he's a racist. you're worse than that, you talk all this bullshit and wen i respond truthfully u automatically dismiss it.
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and as to ur comment about "the high life"....
the prophet was born without a father (he died before the prophet's birth) and his mother died when he was 6 years old. he lived with his grandfather then with his uncle. the prophet became a merchant and one of his employers (his future wife) was very impressed with him and proposed him to marriage. the prophet did not inherit any money from his grandfather or uncle. so i dont understand where u get this "high life" statement from. the prophet was always regarded as a very honest and trustworthy person. (even before the first revelations at age 40)
fuck man, people all around the world have problems like that.. who gives a shit he is honest and trust worthy, thats what i expect from anyone and myself.
LOL put urself back 1400 years buddy. in the prophet's time, people backstabbed, lied, decevied, to make money and be fat (sounds a bit like today but to an incredibly higher amount)...ppl weren't guided by religion or any morals, this was 1400 YEARS AGO!!!!!
i was simply proving to you that ur statement of "the high life" was entirely false. you blindly hate (the worse kind)
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it's completely a waste of my time to try to tell you the true meanings of islam. idk where you get ur information from becaus it's biased and prejudiced. u ask complete idiotic and ignorant questions and then dismiss any responses made by me or other posters that don't share your ignorant point of view.
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AND WHAT ABOUT MOHAMMEDS ARMY ? and dont you have to support your many wives ? it says you cant have more than 1 wife unless you can support them... Jesus lived in POVERTY, Moses lived in POVERTY, Mohammed in comparison lived the high life.
moses lived in poverty? lol!
moses mother surrendered him at birth and ultimately he was found and raised by pharoah's family (daughter). his own mother was brought on to nurse him, thus a blessing to her as well. moses led a privileged life until he killed a man and was forced to flee to avoid prosecution.
so not only did moses live richly (with pharoah's family), he also was not perfect. according to the bible even after seeing god's miracles first hand he sinned by striking the rock twice with his staff instead of obeying god's command directly, and thus was punished.
recap:
moses lived richly until commiting murder
moses sinned even after witnessing god's miracles first hand; and even after receiving the ten commandments
abraham also was a rich man, a father that spawned two nations.
jesus is really the anomoly. god's prophets are typically rich and well taken care of by kings after suffering some small amount of hardship. if anything muhammad is a throwback prophet to the old days, when god immediately rewards his prophets and followers with reward, and immediately punishes them for disobedience. a throwback to a time when prophets were less than absolutely perfect.
and let's not forget that the prophet joshua started and led the israelites into all sorts of wars. seeing as you are protesting muhammad's army.
in order to denounce islam you have to also denounce the old testament in entirety; and ofcourse that represents jesus' own religion.
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^^nice post, props.
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LOL the prophet's first wife was a very successful business woman. she is the one that proposed to the prophet. he married his other wives after her death. some of the women were recent widows of warriors in battle while others were daughters of his close allies. they all accepted islam and understood that he had a great responsibility.
as to your comment about war. Meccans confiscated and stole all the property the muslims had left in mecca. the muslims owned no land in Medina so they would have to live on charity and whatever wage labor they could find, both of which were in very rare to find. these battles were in self-defense. there are MANY verses in the qu'ran related to warfare. here is an example:
"You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers."
"... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them"
"You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors"
the prophet also layed down rules for humane warfare (which was unusual in those times)
"You are neither hard-hearted nor of fierce character, nor one who shouts in the markets. You do not return evil for evil, but excuse and forgive"
"Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman"
The Prophet's successor Abu Bakr said:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
pfff that is BULLSHIT. the Koran allows the murders of children, and anyone or anything for that matter... for the means justifies their actions... there are too many examples floating around.
so mohammed wasnt exactly a peaceful man... Jesus had a following of mass proportions, thats the main reason why people were worried... he couldve waged war easy, but nah, just wasnt his or God's style was it ?
you people have to stop making excuses for that book.
WTF are u talkin about bullshit? that is 100% true. it's all in the book if u have the brains to read it for yourself. actually on the other hand, u dont deserve to. u talk all forms of bullshit about my religion, all types of lies and prejudice and i tried to explain to u the true meanings of islam, but u are OBVIOUSLY brainwashed. ur worse than cwalker becaus at least he'll admit he's a racist. you're worse than that, you talk all this bullshit and wen i respond truthfully u automatically dismiss it.
law of ji-had... the Koran allows the murders of children, and anyone or anything for that matter... for the means justifies their actions...
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AND WHAT ABOUT MOHAMMEDS ARMY ? and dont you have to support your many wives ? it says you cant have more than 1 wife unless you can support them... Jesus lived in POVERTY, Moses lived in POVERTY, Mohammed in comparison lived the high life.
moses lived in poverty? lol!
moses mother surrendered him at birth and ultimately he was found and raised by pharoah's family (daughter). his own mother was brought on to nurse him, thus a blessing to her as well. moses led a privileged life until he killed a man and was forced to flee to avoid prosecution.
so not only did moses live richly (with pharoah's family), he also was not perfect. according to the bible even after seeing god's miracles first hand he sinned by striking the rock twice with his staff instead of obeying god's command directly, and thus was punished.
recap:
moses lived richly until commiting murder
moses sinned even after witnessing god's miracles first hand; and even after receiving the ten commandments
abraham also was a rich man, a father that spawned two nations.
jesus is really the anomoly. god's prophets are typically rich and well taken care of by kings after suffering some small amount of hardship. if anything muhammad is a throwback prophet to the old days, when god immediately rewards his prophets and followers with reward, and immediately punishes them for disobedience. a throwback to a time when prophets were less than absolutely perfect.
and let's not forget that the prophet joshua started and led the israelites into all sorts of wars. seeing as you are protesting muhammad's army.
in order to denounce islam you have to also denounce the old testament in entirety; and ofcourse that represents jesus' own religion.
i'll take that prop back. JESUS AND MOSES LIVED IN POVERTY. thats it, they sacrificed everything for god.
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u talk all forms of bullshit about my religion, all types of lies and prejudice and i tried to explain to u the true meanings of islam, but u are OBVIOUSLY brainwashed. ur worse than cwalker becaus at least he'll admit he's a racist. you're worse than that, you talk all this bullshit and wen i respond truthfully u automatically dismiss it.
and i'm not talking bullshit about islam, i am just magnifying the bad that exsists in it, just like you all magnify the bad that exsists in christianity...
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Hitler was influenced by and got a lot of his ideas from Martin Luther... go figure...
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lol chief.....i seriously can't believe u still think islam says its okay to kill innocent children, women, and elders. i have shown u proof of quotes from the qu'ran, from the prophet and from his companions, but u choose not to believe it. do u trust wikipedia? caus u can probably find it there too. and btw jihad has 2 meanings.
1) the inner struggle of a person to be a good muslim
2) fighting oppression
i dont see anything bad in islam, yea some people take it out of context but that happens with every religion, u cant make a generalization of a religion just becaus a group of people.
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^ ok then i wont.
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if you had really big balls, you would have said:
allah/god vs jesus
kaseem:
arabic christians call jesus "allah"? or "the son of allah"?
i think you meant to say god/yahweh and not jesus/yahweh.
you wanna start some shit so we can war you fuckin assholes, always trynna start shit. but when ur put in ur place, u cry like bitches
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\you wanna start some shit so we can war you fuckin assholes, always trynna start shit. but when ur put in ur place, u cry like bitches
what are you trying to say?
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\you wanna start some shit so we can war you fuckin assholes, always trynna start shit. but when ur put in ur place, u cry like bitches
what are you trying to say?
the child dont know what hes talkin about im afraid :-\
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To some Allah is God. You need to re-phrase your question.