West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Sikotic on March 23, 2006, 09:04:08 AM
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How do you guys feel about this? Should they be allowed into these organizations?
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Sure. Why shouldn't they?
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Sure. Why shouldn't they?
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Only if they are qualified, but if they are hired part of an employee equity program I am 100% opposed to that.
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Sure. Why shouldn't they?
So you want a 5 foot, 110 pound woman trying to pull you out of a building?
Only if they are qualified, but if they are hired part of an employee equity program I am 100% opposed to that.
The majority are hired by some program or agency and given second and third tries to pass their physicals.
Hell, some even get bonuses for just showing up to a fire, when a man gets no bonus for the same thing.
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Only if they are qualified, but if they are hired part of an employee equity program I am 100% opposed to that.
thats true. we would want the best firefighetrs and policemen of women out there. theres a big investigation going on right now in richmond B.C. as alll of the women in the fire department there have left the force. one committed suicide i believe a few yrs back, a few just quit their jobs and just recently a few filed i think sexual abuse charges or some kind of harrasement charges against the fire dpeartment stating that theyre not treated equally and that theyve been abused in a number of ways. i think that the other firemen put feces in their boots, put up hardcore porn to make them feel uncmfortable and made like derogaroty phrases aginast them.
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Sure. Why shouldn't they?
So you want a 5 foot, 110 pound woman trying to pull you out of a building?
Only if they are qualified, but if they are hired part of an employee equity program I am 100% opposed to that.
The majority are hired by some program or agency and given second and third tries to pass their physicals.
Hell, some even get bonuses for just showing up to a fire, when a man gets no bonus for the same thing.
Yeah I agree that is complete bullshit, equality doesn't necessarily mean things have to be the exact same but the pseudo-feminism that is rampant in the West is ridiculous.
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Only if they are qualified, but if they are hired part of an employee equity program I am 100% opposed to that.
thats true. we would want the best firefighetrs and policemen of women out there. theres a big investigation going on right now in richmond B.C. as alll of the women in the fire department there have left the force. one committed suicide i believe a few yrs back, a few just quit their jobs and just recently a few filed i think sexual abuse charges or some kind of harrasement charges against the fire dpeartment stating that theyre not treated equally and that theyve been abused in a number of ways. i think that the other firemen put feces in their boots, put up hardcore porn to make them feel uncmfortable and made like derogaroty phrases aginast them.
See to me that is valid if they are being harrassed. As long as they do a good job they should be left alone.
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Sure. Why shouldn't they?
So you want a 5 foot, 110 pound woman trying to pull you out of a building?
I doubt a 5 foot 110 pound women would even pass all the physical test to be inducted into the fire department. I was tallking to this guy at a rec center and he told ma about all the training you had to go through. Trust me a 110 pound person wouldn't pass the training. If some how they are phyiscally capable, then sure I'd want her to pull me out of a building.
If the case where that they are given "second and third tries to pass their physicals" then I'd be oppsed to that, but you never mentioned that in your original post.
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I don't have a problem with it at all. I know that if a woman is a firefighter, she is qualified. I know a guy who wanted to become a firefighter, but he's too short so he can't. So the woman would obviously have to be a beast.
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I don't have a problem with it at all. I know that if a woman is a firefighter, she is qualified. I know a guy who wanted to become a firefighter, but he's too short so he can't. So the woman would obviously have to be a beast.
I think it depends on where you live too, doesn't the US have really tough laws on affirmative action programs? I'm pretty sure Ontario has scrapped them down to almost nothing.
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So you want a 5 foot, 110 pound woman trying to pull you out of a building?
it depends on how strong she is. and she could drive the truck, or turn on the hose or something if she can't carry cats.
Hell, some even get bonuses for just showing up to a fire, when a man gets no bonus for the same thing.
sounds like a sweet deal for the skirts.
women don't have true equality in this society, so you see these weird inversions in certain cases to overcompensate. then you have these cats that don't respect women trying to point at the inversions in order to roll back the initiatives that are well meaning and only strive for equality.
why not realize true equality first, then worry about minor details like this. i see people wanting to take away from women what little they actually have, yet give them nothing in return. lets make things fair in a meaningful manner first. then clean up these abnormalities.
i'd like to see an equal rights amendment ratified. i'd like to see a situation where any company that were paying women less than men for the same job could be sued and fined...etc. let's eliminate those discrepancies first. then we can worry about frail women trying to play fireman, or pregnant women expecting the world to stop while they are on maternity leave. equality first!
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i see people wanting to take away from women what little they actually have
You think women don't have much?
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I got nothing against women in the fire department. The thing is, the majority of women are not qualified. They're allowed in the department so that the county/city can avoid lawsuits.
I know a guy in the fire department. He said they were running drills and a woman around 5'4 and 125 was suppose to pull him out of a simulated burning building. Now he's around 6'1, 200+ pounds. She gave up on him after 30 seconds.
Yes, women deserve equality, but at what price? We can't fuck around when it comes to people's lives. My friend also told me one of his fellow firewomen had to be carried out by the people she was suppose to be rescuing LOL.
I don't wanna be misinterpreted. There are many women who deserve to be in the fire department and pull their weight. They get treated with lots of respect by their male collegues too. It's these petite women that believe they can "be anything they put their mind to" and actually get accepted to the FD that I have beef with.
Equal opportunity with equal physical ability.
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i see people wanting to take away from women what little they actually have
You think women don't have much?
i think women have about 72% as much as men in the u.s.. slightly higher in some places. significantly lower in others. i'd like to see that number closer to 98% across the board; personally.
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I got nothing against women in the fire department. The thing is, the majority of women are not qualified. They're allowed in the department so that the county/city can avoid lawsuits.
I know a guy in the fire department. He said they were running drills and a woman around 5'4 and 125 was suppose to pull him out of a simulated burning building. Now he's around 6'1, 200+ pounds. She gave up on him after 30 seconds.
it sounds like the problem is that women have lower physical standards, as is the case in the military. i think the solution is that either the physical standards be the same or people with lesser physical capabilities be given tasks according to their merit.
my point was that this was a small issue that detracts somewhat from the larger issue. i'd prefer errors of this sort than the errors that lead to women being unfairly underrepresented.
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i see people wanting to take away from women what little they actually have
You think women don't have much?
i think women have about 72% as much as men in the u.s.. slightly higher in some places. significantly lower in others. i'd like to see that number closer to 98% across the board; personally.
So would I, but 72%=having little? 72% is an unfair proportion, but find me a women (in America at least) who isn't a feminist that says women have little.
I am under the impression that little is <50%
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So would I, but 72%=having little? 72% is an unfair proportion, but find me a women (in America at least) who isn't a feminist that says women have little.
I am under the impression that little is <50%
we agree on the 72% and only disagree about how bad 72% is. so we really aren't disagreeing on the facts. why shouldn't women have 98% of what men have? in terms of influence, power, wealth and respect? social, political and economic standing. why shouldn't women have 98%?
i think that is abhorrant.
women have no business on the football field. maybe women shouldn't be firemen, or atleast not general purpose firemen. but in the areas where sex makes no significant difference, why should sex matter? why should there be any disparity, let along a disparity greater than 2%?
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I never said 72% wasn't bad I'm just saying it dosen't neccesarly translate into "having little." I even said that I'd like to see it at 98%
What I am saying is
<50% is little
50% to 90 is not little, but is not enough
90% to 95% ??
95% to 100% Good depending on your opinion.
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I got nothing against women in the fire department. The thing is, the majority of women are not qualified. They're allowed in the department so that the county/city can avoid lawsuits.
I know a guy in the fire department. He said they were running drills and a woman around 5'4 and 125 was suppose to pull him out of a simulated burning building. Now he's around 6'1, 200+ pounds. She gave up on him after 30 seconds.
it sounds like the problem is that women have lower physical standards, as is the case in the military. i think the solution is that either the physical standards be the same or people with lesser physical capabilities be given tasks according to their merit.
my point was that this was a small issue that detracts somewhat from the larger issue. i'd prefer errors of this sort than the errors that lead to women being unfairly underrepresented.
I agree with everything except your last statement. Maybe I misunderstood you, but you'd rather have errors during an emergency like a fire instead of a woman being misrepresented?
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I agree with everything except your last statement. Maybe I misunderstood you, but you'd rather have errors during an emergency like a fire instead of a woman being misrepresented?
it should never get to the point of errors during an emergency. you have people making bad decisions and blaming it on the law. it doesn't matter if there is a quota in place, if you don't have a competent female candidate then you miss the quota. if someone tries to sue let them explain why the lawsuit should ignore their deficient physical attributes. if the local/state/federal govt tries to withhold funds then sue. how can you meet a quota if there are no suitable candidates?
at some point, for a 5'2 110 lbs woman to be out in the field endangering lives, people have clearly made poor decisions and used the law as a crux. people should make better decisions. i don't have a problem with firewomen. i don't have a problem with the law. i have a problem with people "cutting off their noses to spite their faces".
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Here in Ontario, for the fire departments, women and men have to meet the same requirements physically to pass that stage and get a certificate. Here is an example of one of the physical tests that some cities use: http://www.brocku.ca/firefighter/CPAT.html
I also believe that EVERYONE no matter what sex, race, age...whatever, should have to meet the same requirements. If that means the fire department consists of 95% white males between the ages of 20-40, so be it.
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It is a proven biological fact that the majority of smart people are men. Same for physical shit. Fuck affirmative action in general. Every motherfucker for himself.
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it should never get to the point of errors during an emergency. you have people making bad decisions and blaming it on the law. it doesn't matter if there is a quota in place, if you don't have a competent female candidate then you miss the quota. if someone tries to sue let them explain why the lawsuit should ignore their deficient physical attributes. if the local/state/federal govt tries to withhold funds then sue. how can you meet a quota if there are no suitable candidates?
at some point, for a 5'2 110 lbs woman to be out in the field endangering lives, people have clearly made poor decisions and used the law as a crux. people should make better decisions. i don't have a problem with firewomen. i don't have a problem with the law. i have a problem with people "cutting off their noses to spite their faces".
Oh of course, in no way do I have a problem with firewomen. It's not just the law, but the system in general. If they were more equal with their physicals then that would add to more lawsuits. That's gonna cause the district alot of money if they have multiple suits towards women who refuse to accept that they're just not able to handle the physical demand of the job.
Like the homeboy Johnny Taylor sings: "It's cheeper to keep her" & that's how the districts feel about the women.
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I like seeing female cops getting their ass beat on FOX specials ;D
They're clowns.