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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on March 23, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
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Oops, I meant to say that Islamic religious leaders are calling for the BEHEADING, not release, of the Afghan Christian. Let me repeat myself...their own religious leaders want him to be executed for being a Christian. So much for the love and tolerance of the religion of peace. ALLAH AKBAHR....DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!!!!!!!
I know I know, I shouldn't be upset that Muslims want to behead anyone who converts to Christianity. After all as Nibs once stated about Islamic oppression of minorities, they are just practicing their culture so we shouldn't judge them.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11973510/
Islamic clerics call for killing Afghan Christian
KABUL, Afghanistan - Senior Muslim clerics said Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity should be killed regardless of whether a court decides to free him.
Abdul Rahman, a 41-year-old former medical aid worker, faces the death penalty for becoming a Christian under Afghanistan's Islamic laws.
His trial, which began last week, has caused an international outcry. U.S. President Bush said Wednesday he was "deeply troubled" by the case and expects the country to "honor the universal principle of freedom."
Diplomats say the Afghan government is searching for a way to drop the case, and on Wednesday authorities said Rahman is suspected of being mentally ill and would undergo psychological examinations to see whether he is fit to stand trial.
But four senior clerics interviewed by The Associated Press in their mosques in Kabul said Rahman deserved to be killed for his conversion.
"He is not crazy. He went in front of the media and confessed to being a Christian," said Hamidullah, chief cleric at Haji Yacob Mosque.
"The government is scared of the international community. But the people will kill him if he is freed."
"He is not mad. The government are playing games. The people will not be fooled," said Abdul Raoulf, cleric at Herati Mosque. "This is humiliating for Islam. ... Cut off his head."
Raoulf is considered a moderate cleric in Afghanistan. He was jailed three times for criticizing the Taliban's policies before the hardline regime was ousted by U.S.-led forces in 2001.
Bush 'deeply troubled'
Bush, in a statement Wednesday, said that “I’m troubled when I hear, deeply troubled when I hear, the fact that a person who converted away from Islam may be held to account.”
While not demanding that the trial be stopped and the defendant released, Bush said he wanted to make sure that “people are protected in their capacity to worship.”
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice followed up with a meeting with Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah, whose government is an ally of the United States in the war on terror.
She told him she was deeply troubled by the case and called the prosecution “contrary to universal democratic values,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
Rice also told Abdullah that those values include freedom of religion, which the United States fought for in Afghanistan and elsewhere, McCormack said.
And she told the foreign minister that the case ran contrary to the Afghan constitution.
Germany, Italy issue statements
The statements by Bush and Rice toughened the U.S. stance in a controversy that has spread beyond South Asia, evoking statements of concern, for instance, in Germany and Italy.
On Tuesday, administration officials expressed respect for Afghanistan’s sovereignty while also registering their concern over the case.
Rahman was arrested last month after his family accused him of becoming a Christian. The conversion is a crime under Afghanistan’s Islamic laws.
Abdullah made no statement after his meeting with Rice, which was not listed on her public schedule.
Here for strategic talks, Abdullah said Tuesday he hoped “through our constitutional process there will be a satisfactory result.” He did not say whether he thought the defendant would be found innocent.
Afghanistan ‘pursuing’ case
On Wednesday, the Afghan embassy responded to expressions of concern with a statement saying the Kabul government “is fully aware of and pursuing the best way to resolve Mr. Rahman’s case judicially.”
“It’s too early to draw a conclusion about the punishment,” the statement said.
Michael Cromartie, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, said in a statement he had written to Bush to express concern about the trial and the threatened execution of Rahman.
Cromartie told the president that the prosecutor had called Rahman “a microbe (who) should be cut off and removed from the rest of Muslim society and should be killed.”
The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued a statement calling for Rahman’s release. “Religious decisions should be matters of personal choice, not a cause for state intervention,” the Muslim civil liberties group said.
© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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You are a sad, sad person.
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what i find sad is these muslim clerics that falsely preach their religion. islam is spose to preach peace and love and these wastes of life r calling for the death of an innocent person.
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Us Afghans are just fucked in our head...we dont speak for 1.3 billion muslims
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Us Afghans are just fucked in our head...we dont speak for 1.3 billion muslims
true story
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^ Damn, you two are both Afghans? From where exactly if you don't mind me asking?
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i was born in queens but my parents are from Kabul.
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Americans dropping bombs in Iraq results in the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians, including young children... but in that case "those terrorists deserve it" and "the end justifies the means, since we got rid of Saddam... you gotta lose some to win some"... but they're about to kill 1 person... "OH MY GOD THE INJUSTICE" "SAVE THIS HEROIC MAN"
I honestly can't believe that people with that type of mentality actually exist... if anyone deserves death its motherfuckers like you... who accept the death of thousands of innocent kids when your government tells you that it's for "peace" (how killing innocent people = peace to you guys is also one to think about)
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these people are so fucked up in the head, makes me recall how much I despise religion, almost forgot it
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^ Damn, you two are both Afghans? From where exactly if you don't mind me asking?
Im from Toronto, but my parents are from Ghazni
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JML is Afghan too
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Good shit peoples.
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Americans dropping bombs in Iraq results in the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians, including young children... but in that case "those terrorists deserve it" and "the end justifies the means, since we got rid of Saddam... you gotta lose some to win some"... but they're about to kill 1 person... "OH MY GOD THE INJUSTICE" "SAVE THIS HEROIC MAN"
I honestly can't believe that people with that type of mentality actually exist... if anyone deserves death its motherfuckers like you... who accept the death of thousands of innocent kids when your government tells you that it's for "peace" (how killing innocent people = peace to you guys is also one to think about)
im not sayin that americans dropping bombs is aight. im all for peace in these countries and personally i think that george bush is a murderer but that doesnt mean its alright for these clerics to preach this type of shit. these ppl r respected leaders of communities and can have a lasting impact on ppl's lives and by saying shit like they support the beheading of this guy is just fueling the flame for more violence and shit. now more ppl r gonna hate on americans and western culture and as a result more people will have ill feelings towards muslims.
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Americans dropping bombs in Iraq results in the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians, including young children... but in that case "those terrorists deserve it" and "the end justifies the means, since we got rid of Saddam... you gotta lose some to win some"... but they're about to kill 1 person... "OH MY GOD THE INJUSTICE" "SAVE THIS HEROIC MAN"
I honestly can't believe that people with that type of mentality actually exist... if anyone deserves death its motherfuckers like you... who accept the death of thousands of innocent kids when your government tells you that it's for "peace" (how killing innocent people = peace to you guys is also one to think about)
im not sayin that americans dropping bombs is aight. im all for peace in these countries and personally i think that george bush is a murderer but that doesnt mean its alright for these clerics to preach this type of shit. these ppl r respected leaders of communities and can have a lasting impact on ppl's lives and by saying shit like they support the beheading of this guy is just fueling the flame for more violence and shit. now more ppl r gonna hate on americans and western culture and as a result more people will have ill feelings towards muslims.
You got a point but far not all of the clerics do that, in fact very few actually do. But in a country with such turmoil this isn't overly unexpected at all, and to be honest in some measure they U.S. would benefit from a civil war cause afterwards Iraq's colonization will be much easier. Just like in the case with Africa, and more recently Yugoslavia and much of the former Soviet Union.
And the hatred against Americans and the Western world is coming from the fact that they have blatently invaded the country and instituted their own regime, nothing else in this instance.
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you wanna hear some bullshit? my aunt in australia told me that the ppl that go to pakistan and afghanistan to convert people over to christianity pay people money (in some cases up to $10,000) to change religions and get other people to change as well. in addition to that, they have gov't connections to get people well-desired visas...in her words "they'll put a good word in"
a person she knows in pakistan actually got a visa by doing this just to show that it does really happen.
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^^^ thats some crooked shit and i wouldnt even consider those ppl Christian then if they do shit like taht.
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Actually that is a good point H Cottie, Ive heard reports for years of Afghans (who didnt give a shit about faith in the first place) converting for a visa or a possibility of settling in the west....in pakistan too
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these people are so fucked up in the head, makes me recall how much I despise religion, almost forgot it
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^ Ey that D'Angelo pic is old no? Isnt this guy bloated n cracked out now?
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i can understand that all countries dont have freedom of religion, even though i dont get why? why do you care if the people in your country are all praising allah? but to behead him. wat kind of example does that set a tone for your religion. we are a peacful religion, as long as ur on my side.
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^ Ey that D'Angelo pic is old no? Isnt this guy bloated n cracked out now?
i think it's from the time Voodoo came out, lol
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Americans dropping bombs in Iraq results in the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians, including young children... but in that case "those terrorists deserve it" and "the end justifies the means, since we got rid of Saddam... you gotta lose some to win some"... but they're about to kill 1 person... "OH MY GOD THE INJUSTICE" "SAVE THIS HEROIC MAN"
I honestly can't believe that people with that type of mentality actually exist... if anyone deserves death its motherfuckers like you... who accept the death of thousands of innocent kids when your government tells you that it's for "peace" (how killing innocent people = peace to you guys is also one to think about)
you are worse than c walker.
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you wanna hear some bullshit? my aunt in australia told me that the ppl that go to pakistan and afghanistan to convert people over to christianity pay people money (in some cases up to $10,000) to change religions and get other people to change as well. in addition to that, they have gov't connections to get people well-desired visas...in her words "they'll put a good word in"
a person she knows in pakistan actually got a visa by doing this just to show that it does really happen.
wow that really is bullshit.
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Us Afghans are just fucked in our head...we dont speak for 1.3 billion muslims
it's just the way the muslim religion is structured... you are not peaceful.
your govt. represents your people.
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what i find sad is these muslim clerics that falsely preach their religion. islam is spose to preach peace and love and these wastes of life r calling for the death of an innocent person.
why does this happen so damn often though ?
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He's being set free.
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He's being set free.
heard hes being set free based on not enough substantial evidence or sumthin. i thought they were gonna play the insanity card.
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heard hes being set free based on not enough substantial evidence or sumthin. i thought they were gonna play the insanity card.
Yeah he was released due to a lack of evidence, not because of the fact that executing someone because they convert to another religion is wrong. What a bunch of wackos....
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just heard on cnn that there have been conflicting reports bout him being released. some sources r saying that hes gonna be released whereas others r saying that they court is giving the prosecution more time to gather evidence. i think in the end he'll be released becuase of the u.s. ifluence on the trial.
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I know I know, I shouldn't be upset that Muslims want to behead anyone who converts to Christianity. After all as Nibs once stated about Islamic oppression of minorities, they are just practicing their culture so we shouldn't judge them.
i don't mind being quoted out of context. really i don't.
for the record i don't agree with beheading this guy.
i don't have a problem with governments being founded around religious law.
all governments are susceptible to carrying out injustices based on misinterpretations of the law and bad laws. ultimately these laws are subject to human interpretations. there is debate about sharia law, and it is subject to various interpretations. punishments that you see in one country (under sharia law) don't happen in others with different interpretations. so this is simply another poor example by you in your crusade against islam.
and this is nothing like foreign workers in saudi arabia.
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secularisation is a must.
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secularisation is a must.
Things would still be fucked up man
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Us Afghans are just fucked in our head...we dont speak for 1.3 billion muslims
it's just the way the muslim religion is structured... you are not peaceful.
your govt. represents your people.
in order to talk about afghans and their religion, you must look at their history. which was verrrrrrrrrrry peaceful and prosperous until the king zahir shah was overthrown followed by the invasion of the communists.. i really don't understand where you get this "islam is not a peaceful religion" from. can u please explain to me why u hold this view?
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for the record i don't agree with beheading this guy.
i don't have a problem with governments being founded around religious law.
all governments are susceptible to carrying out injustices based on misinterpretations of the law and bad laws. ultimately these laws are subject to human interpretations. there is debate about sharia law, and it is subject to various interpretations. punishments that you see in one country (under sharia law) don't happen in others with different interpretations. so this is simply another poor example by you in your crusade against islam.
and this is nothing like foreign workers in saudi arabia.
^^^co-sign. (I don't have to make a post, Nibs has already given a superior reply)