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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: #11 on April 08, 2006, 08:09:06 PM
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wjen are the blacks in the US going to get an apology for slavery?
i c a lot of shit on this board but this is one issue you guys should discuss in a 'first world country'
just fucking pathetic.
just admit it that none of u white americans give a shit about them niggers.
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I figured Lincoln would have made a public apology when he won. It's pretty fucked up if no President even mentioned something along the lines of how wrong it was.
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I figured Lincoln would have made a public apology when he won. It's pretty fucked up if no President even mentioned something along the lines of how wrong it was.
Both Clinton and Bush commented about how wrong it was. But I don't think anyone has ever declared an apology for it.
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I figured Lincoln would have made a public apology when he won. It's pretty fucked up if no President even mentioned something along the lines of how wrong it was.
Both Clinton and Bush commented about how wrong it was. But I don't think anyone has ever declared an apology for it.
I could see the philosphical debate on whether they have the right to apologize since they didn't own slaves, or the modern blacks have the right to accept the apology since they never were slaves. In Turkey they killed 1.5 to 2 million Armenians and the Turks won't even acknowledge it happened, much less say sorry. I don't think apologizing for past crimes should be an issue. The best apology would be to stop the current travesties from happening today, and by that I mean the child sex market, famine, and getting basic human rights to the 3rd world (not that I expect any of that to be stopped, unless they find oil inside the dead body of some raped kid).
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i don't think they will ever get an apology.
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I figured Lincoln would have made a public apology when he won. It's pretty fucked up if no President even mentioned something along the lines of how wrong it was.
Both Clinton and Bush commented about how wrong it was. But I don't think anyone has ever declared an apology for it.
Clinton was the only president to formally apologize for it, and make it an offical one.
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wjen are the blacks in the US going to get an apology for slavery?
i c a lot of shit on this board but this is one issue you guys should discuss in a 'first world country'
just fucking pathetic.
just admit it that none of u white americans give a shit about them niggers.
I don't give a shit about apologizing for something I had nothing to do for. I also don't give a shit about you.
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wjen are the blacks in the US going to get an apology for slavery?
i c a lot of shit on this board but this is one issue you guys should discuss in a 'first world country'
just fucking pathetic.
just admit it that none of u white americans give a shit about them niggers.
I don't give a shit about apologizing for something I had nothing to do for. I also don't give a shit about you.
sometimes Trauma... you ruin my opinion of you being the only smart conservative.
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#11, youre the one calling "them niggers" ... maybe you should look at yourself for an apology also.
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#11, youre the one calling "them niggers" ... maybe you should look at yourself for an apology also.
also true... but he can get banned for racism here... that's no problem
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I figured Lincoln would have made a public apology when he won. It's pretty fucked up if no President even mentioned something along the lines of how wrong it was.
Both Clinton and Bush commented about how wrong it was. But I don't think anyone has ever declared an apology for it.
Clinton was the only president to formally apologize for it, and make it an offical one.
All right then, conversation over.
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i don't think it's neccessary
1. are any former slaves still alive?
2. are any former slave owners still alive?
i say fuck that shit
that's like me apologizing to the son of t some kid my mom bit in kindergarden....stupid
if an apology should be made for this , then
1. every person of german decent should apologize for the holocaust
2. every person of african decent should apologize for the ensalvement of the jews
3. every one living in the southwest united states should apologize to every mexican for the "occupation" of our native land
4. every whtie person living in northern and southern america should apologize for unrightfully taking our native and rapping our women, and occupying our land long ago
^stupid demands
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yep, history cant be forgotten, but it's goto be left in the past...
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yep, history cant be forgotten, but it's goto be left in the past...
Not necessarily true... since it is the past that has shaped the present... so to understand current events/phenomena/conflicts/etc , you'd have to look back and see what the root of the problem is and see how it has shaped and changed over time to be what it is today...
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I'm nobody to say that blacks do or don't deserve an apology... because some of them may feel like they do... however I'd like to point out that Germany had to make payments to Israel for the Holocaust
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Havin relashunz wit da white womuhnz is enough apology fo me.
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Havin relashunz wit da white womuhnz is enough apology fo me.
thats what im sayin, fuck 40 acres and a mule, hook em up wit an old e and a white bitch
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yeah, while your at it
why dont u get all those people who invaded UK raped our women and stuff to apologise
get fucking real, apologising for stuff like that, that happened too long ago is a joke, and your stupid for even suggesting it
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Another reason why this question is absolutely ridiculous and strikes of little thought is because some african nations are still dealing in the slave trade right now, dyncorp have also been implicated in the white slave trade in Bosnia. Slavery is still rampant so is this just a case of pointing it out when the "white devil" does it and expecting an apology for the mass slave trade that did occur and yet when it comes to black people doing it, its see no evil hear no evil. I am sick of this hypocrisy its so tired and wearing and just goes to prove how much white people have been conditioned now into feeling guilty about the actions of white people in the past. It's amusing also that whilst people are so quick to be passionate about the slave trade and yet are completely apathetic to sweeping police powers which happened across europe and america which censor intimidate and make a mockery of peoples basic civil liberties.
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this has been killing me for years.
hey Jim if ur out there man im sorry for kicking u in the shin back in the 4th grade. them bastards double dared man. sorry man. :(
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I'm nobody to say that blacks do or don't deserve an apology... because some of them may feel like they do... however I'd like to point out that Germany had to make payments to Israel for the Holocaust
the difference between the Holocaust nd this is that Germany was FORCED to admit their wrong doing in both wars & Holocaust, i doubt the U.S. today will be forced to admit wrong doing for slavery.
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just goes to prove how much white people have been conditioned now into feeling guilty about the actions of white people in the past.
No, the majority of white people are like you and act like America is absolutely perfect the way it is now, and that it's 100% the fault of those lazy niggers for anything and everything that's wrong with black communities right now. If white folks were really "conditioned" to feel guilty about shit, we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Personally, I don't expect or desire reparations, and I could care less if America wants to apologize "officially" or not, cause I don't think it's even in my place to accept the apology nor would I give a fuck anyway. I'd just prefer that (1.) Whitey stops denying that "the past" IS having an effect on what's going on today, and (2.) Trying to undermine certain social measures that might be necesary in the post-Civil Rights era, because they're paranoid of America becoming "socialist" or whatever. Besides, it ain't even slavery that bothers most of us anymore...it's segregation, and unlike slavery, MANY white people are still alive today who were around and active in that system, as are many black folks who were oppressed by it. So stop shouting "double-standard" and pointing to irrelevent examples when you're in no situation to talk that way...it's obvious you're trying hard as possible NOT to feel guilty.
It's amusing also that whilst people are so quick to be passionate about the slave trade and yet are completely apathetic to sweeping police powers which happened across europe and america which censor intimidate and make a mockery of peoples basic civil liberties.
But of course. The "1984" shit from you just had to find its way into this topic at some point, never mind that it's completely irrelevent.
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Are you even aware of what you are talking abour "1984 shit" how ignorant are you, its not something that is found in a book, its here right now. It's highly relevant because I was highlighting how people will fight continue endlessly about slavery and yet you cry apathy and "conspiracy" when its related to the actions of the government and what is taking place.
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Are you even aware of what you are talking abour "1984 shit" how ignorant are you, its not something that is found in a book, its here right now. It's highly relevant because I was highlighting how people will fight continue endlessly about slavery and yet you cry apathy and "conspiracy" when its related to the actions of the government and what is taking place.
I cry apathy when it's unrelated to the discussion, nothing more.
And don't worry...I hear about the govt.'s violations of civil liberties all the time. I'm black, remember? I'm supposed to have anti-establishment and anti-Uncle Sam sentiments in my genes. ::)
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Oh I dont feel guilty in the slightest, you have no idea what it was like to experience slavery the same way that I have no idea what it must have been like to have been a complete serf in England until the Magna Carta was introduced. I said that there is conditioning because it doesnt matter where you go black people still feel that they are "owed" you hear it in hip hop music, you hear and see it in education, constantly talking about slavery. I mean ffs there is even a BBC programme called Black Britain in which slavery is still an important issue. Also what the hell is this about a lot of white people who were in that system are alive today? and the double standard is there because it exists, since slave trading still goes on today and it is only whites having black slaves which is mentioned, then there is your double standard, just because you choose to ignore doesnt make it any less real.
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Also as I have just mentioned I dont come from middle america I come from a poor family in England. I don't think america is perfect far from it of course. I believe that some of what is happening to black people in their communtiies is brought on by themselves yes which in turn is bringing the rest of the black people in their community down with them. Although as you can appreciate I can only talk on that from my perspective here in England not America.
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Oh I dont feel guilty in the slightest, you have no idea what it was like to experience slavery the same way that I have no idea what it must have been like to have been a complete serf in England until the Magna Carta was introduced. I said that there is conditioning because it doesnt matter where you go black people still feel that they are "owed" you hear it in hip hop music, you hear and see it in education, constantly talking about slavery. I mean ffs there is even a BBC programme called Black Britain in which slavery is still an important issue. Also what the hell is this about a lot of white people who were in that system are alive today? and the double standard is there because it exists, since slave trading still goes on today and it is only whites having black slaves which is mentioned, then there is your double standard, just because you choose to ignore doesnt make it any less real.
As I've said, it ain't slavery, it's segregation that I was referring to. That was in the 20th century, young blood, not the distant past. THAT is why a lotta black folks feel like Uncle Sam owes them, and why we resent the white folks. Slavery, yeah, you're right, that's the distant past, though it ain't to be forgotten. Segregation is another matter entirely, and judging by what you've said, you're acting like you don't even know what I'm talking about.
And I don't give a fuck about your "double-standards"; they simply aren't relevent to THIS particular matter. Bringing them up is just a way for you to appeal to emotion because you'd prefer to deny that white folks have any responsibility whatsoever for what's going on with blacks today. I don't care if you feel guilty or not, but you best not engage in this fucked-up historical revisionism.
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just goes to prove how much white people have been conditioned now into feeling guilty about the actions of white people in the past.
No, the majority of white people are like you and act like America is absolutely perfect the way it is now, and that it's 100% the fault of those lazy niggers for anything and everything that's wrong with black communities right now. If white folks were really "conditioned" to feel guilty about shit, we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Personally, I don't expect or desire reparations, and I could care less if America wants to apologize "officially" or not, cause I don't think it's even in my place to accept the apology nor would I give a fuck anyway. I'd just prefer that (1.) Whitey stops denying that "the past" IS having an effect on what's going on today, and (2.) Trying to undermine certain social measures that might be necesary in the post-Civil Rights era, because they're paranoid of America becoming "socialist" or whatever. Besides, it ain't even slavery that bothers most of us anymore...it's segregation, and unlike slavery, MANY white people are still alive today who were around and active in that system, as are many black folks who were oppressed by it. So stop shouting "double-standard" and pointing to irrelevent examples when you're in no situation to talk that way...it's obvious you're trying hard as possible NOT to feel guilty.
It's amusing also that whilst people are so quick to be passionate about the slave trade and yet are completely apathetic to sweeping police powers which happened across europe and america which censor intimidate and make a mockery of peoples basic civil liberties.
But of course. The "1984" shit from you just had to find its way into this topic at some point, never mind that it's completely irrelevent.
What social measures? Are you refering to wellfare?
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the child sex market, famine, and getting basic human rights to the 3rd world
this is the biggest travesties in the world to u ???
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On a serious note now, asking for an apology now would be stupid. Nobody responsible is alive so the apology wouldn't mean shit anyways. If you ask me, it's time to move on.
Be happy the US acknowledges slavery at least. Tragedies like the Armenian genocide are still considered non-existent by the US government.
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I am stating facts thats all, what do you mean by segregation? assuming of course you are not referring to poverty because like I have repeated many times before there are a large number of poor whites also. If you are referring to racial discrimination then yes that is still there but then again so is racial discrimination against white people here also. One such example of this is so called positive discrimination, which basically means acceptable racism as long as it affects whites. Also I am not revising history, how the hell can I be reivising history when its already there?
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wjen are the blacks in the US going to get an apology for slavery?
i c a lot of shit on this board but this is one issue you guys should discuss in a 'first world country'
just fucking pathetic.
just admit it that none of u white americans give a shit about them niggers.
I don't give a shit about apologizing for something I had nothing to do for. I also don't give a shit about you.
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2. every person of african decent should apologize for the ensalvement of the jews
i never knew africans enslaved jews??
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2. every person of african decent should apologize for the ensalvement of the jews
i never knew africans enslaved jews??
The Egyptians
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2. every person of african decent should apologize for the ensalvement of the jews
i never knew africans enslaved jews??
The Egyptians
O yea i guess but I dont think alot of Egyptians consider themselves African