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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on April 10, 2006, 06:27:33 PM
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These are the kind of Latinos that I like.....
Latinos divided on immigration issue
April 10, 2006 09:17 AM EDT
http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4749422&nav=HMO6
Contrary to scenes of hundreds of thousands of united Latinos marching across the country in support of immigration reform, a sizable number of the ethnic group opposes the marches and strongly objects to illegal immigration.
But their voices have largely been muffled by the massive protests, which will continue Monday as tens of thousands of demonstrators are expected to take to the streets of Tucson, Phoenix and other cities nationwide.
They are voicing their support of a Senate bill that would give an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the country a chance for U.S. citizenship.
"That's the objective of the marches -- to give the impression that all Latinos are for allowing the illegals to become citizens," said Phoenix resident Lionel De La Rosa. "Well, I'm not."
The 71-year-old Texas native and Vietnam veteran said he favors punitive measures more in line with the immigration bill passed by the U.S. House in December that would have made it a felony to be in the United States illegally.
"I'm for that 100 percent," he said. "As far as my Latino friends are concerned, they all agree on this."
A 2005 survey by the Pew Hispanic Center found that Latinos in general have favorable attitudes toward immigrants and immigration.
But when it comes to illegal immigration, significant numbers have negative views of illegal immigrants.
The survey found those feelings are strongest among middle-class and middle-age U.S.-born Latinos.
And though 68 percent of Latinos said they believe illegal immigrants help the economy by providing low-cost labor, nearly a quarter felt illegal immigrants hurt the economy by driving down wages.
U.S.-born Latinos looked even less favorably toward illegal immigrants than foreign-born Latinos.
More than a third of U.S.-born Latinos said illegal immigrants hurt the economy, compared with just 15 percent of foreign-born Latinos.
Latinos also are divided over whether to allow illegal immigrants to earn citizenship. the survey found.
Though 88 percent of foreign-born Latinos favored allowing illegal immigrants to earn citizenship, a smaller number of U.S.-born Latinos, 78 percent, said illegal immigrants should be allowed to do so.
Though views such as De La Rosa's are common among Latinos, they are rarely reflected among Latino leaders, said Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C. think tank that favors greater restrictions on immigration.
"It's easy to tap into the views of the intellectual class, but harder to tap into the views of the common folks," he said.
And because so much of the debate over illegal immigration comes off as anti-Hispanic, Latinos who favor greater restrictions on immigration are often reluctant to speak out.
"That's extremely off-putting," Camarota said. "Whatever their views, they keep it to themselves."
Many Latinos fear being ostracized for their negative views of illegal immigrants, said Phoenix resident Frank Barrios, 64.
"There are a lot of Hispanics that are upset about the illegal just the same way as the Anglo population," said Barrios, a third-generation Mexican-American who traces his family's roots in Arizona to the 1870s. "That group is larger than many people would believe."
South Phoenix resident Elsie Orta said she has no plans to participate in Monday's march in Phoenix.
"Other Hispanics have told me to go to the demonstrations," said Orta, 55, who said her mother is from New Mexico and her father's family traces its roots to Spain. "I think it's hurting them. They're making a fool of themselves."
The Phoenix native believes Arizona is under siege by illegal immigrants who speak Spanish, use public services and take jobs away from citizens. Illegal immigrants, she said, should be deported.
"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
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This is truely some groundbreaking stuff. You mean latinos have different opinions on certain issues? WHOA!!! :o
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
You have to admit she has a point.
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In your perfect world, you would want her to leave the U.S, after all odds are she's the daughter of an illegal immigrant. And since when does everything have to be in English and Spanish? This is really another case of fear being put in to many people's mind. SPANISH IS NOT TAKING OVER. I live in a city where it's 99% latino, and yet I don't even need to speak spanish to live in this city.
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In your perfect world, you would want her to leave the U.S, after all odds are she's the daughter of an illegal immigrant. And since when does everything have to be in English and Spanish? This is really another case of fear being put in to many people's mind. SPANISH IS NOT TAKING OVER. I live in a city where it's 99% latino, and yet I don't even need to speak spanish to live in this city.
What city do you live in? You're a latino right? What's you're opinion on this article?
Interesting. I would of thought the vast majority of latinos would be heavly against this, I guess this is just an opposing view. But I'm still undecided on whether to support or be against this bill.
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
Shes a Spanish Aunt Tom
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
Shes a Spanish Uncle Tom
Aunt Tom?
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
Shes a Spanish Uncle Tom
Aunt Tom?
lol yea i guess thats the rite word
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
Shes a Spanish Uncle Tom
Yeah, It's not that she's against illegal immigration, but the way she comes across and how she says it. I bet she's a whitewashed bitch.
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all i have to say is they could have taken care of illegal immigration a long time ago but they didnt and now it will be harder to control it.
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In your perfect world, you would want her to leave the U.S, after all odds are she's the daughter of an illegal immigrant. And since when does everything have to be in English and Spanish? This is really another case of fear being put in to many people's mind. SPANISH IS NOT TAKING OVER. I live in a city where it's 99% latino, and yet I don't even need to speak spanish to live in this city.
What city do you live in? You're a latino right? What's you're opinion on this article?
Interesting. I would of thought the vast majority of latinos would be heavly against this, I guess this is just an opposing view. But I'm still undecided on whether to support or be against this bill.
I live in South Gate and yeah I'm a latino. About the article, it's pretty obvioous that the people that have been living here for decades will have a different opinion on the immigration issue that someone who is a son of an illegal immigrant like me. This is just a complicated issue that won't simply be solved by a bill. Whatever bill that will be introduced and executed will have some doubters on both sides of the debate. For example, part of the new bill they have proposed is that they will allow illegal immigrants that have been here and working for more than 5 years a shot at Residency and later Citizenship. Sounds decent right? How about the possible fraud that people that have been under those 5 years will want to lie and say they have been here for more than 5 years? A whole different problem will come out of that part of the bill. It's just too tough of an issue to simply say this is the right way to go about it. And really what are the exact points of the debate? Am I for illegal immigration? Nope but I don't think it's humane to just to give the rights to cops to hunt down on people they think are illegal immigrants, I want to keep my civil liberties. Nobody that's protesting is saying "Hey let's open the borders so we all can come in!" That's simply not the case at all. Also, it's just impossible to kick everybody out and it's impossible to know the true effect of the illegal immigrant labor. Of course each state has different amount of illegal immigrants in that state, but what if it got to the point where the pros of illegal immigrant outweight the negatives? WHat if the negatives outweight the positives? I doubt anyone has the answer to this, it's all speculation.
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"They want us to cater to them all the time," she said. "They're coming over here, they're taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don't think so. They need to go back."
Shes a Spanish Uncle Tom
Yeah, It's not that she's against illegal immigration, but the way she comes across and how she says it. I bet she's a whitewashed bitch.
yea thats what i was gettin @
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someone who is a son of an illegal immigrant like me.
Im latino too and a son an an immigrant and i live here in Whittier. EVerybody i know opposes it. You see all those kids that protested (Walkout), most of them arent immigrants but it shows you how many people will be affected.
What they should do to reform is make it faster to become a citizen and maybe depend it on how much you make. Cause some people in central america make like 2 dollars a day and those people are usually the ones you find dead trying to cross the border. There is like 200 deaths a year of people trying to cross the border.
It takes almost 10 years to become a citizen and some people dont have that kind of time. And if it wasnt for my parents crossing the border illegaly, i wouldnt be here talking in the computer. Id be dirt poor in El Salvador probably woking in fields. So im gratefull that they crossed.
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Yeah, every 'legal' immigrant Latino I know opposes illegal immigration. They feel that it's a slap in the face to them, since they worked so hard to come here by the book, legally.
Ultimately, this is all a non-issue. 75% of americans support doing something about this problem in varying degrees, when it comes right down to it, illegal is illegal.
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Get ready to see a lot of illegal immigrants turn Legal Residents. It's unavoidable now
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most Latinos I know, many natural born, are against the bill because they see it as something that also attacks them, and either their parents or grand parents. My GF is a permit resident, so she's a legal immigrant, and she's oppose to it because she actually read the bill, and said it's borderline racist in the wording.
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most Latinos I know, many natural born, are against the bill because they see it as something that also attacks them, and either their parents or grand parents. My GF is a permit resident, so she's a legal immigrant, and she's oppose to it because she actually read the bill, and said it's borderline racist in the wording.
Do you know a link where the bill can be read?
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this is the guy that wrote it. His basically generalizing all immigrants, and basically saying that they are all criminals, drug dealers and such.
http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/border.cfm
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http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_high.html
this is something Kennedy responded with
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
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^ no ones
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
MINE!!!
They wouldn't hire me to work in the education field because illegals work cheaper, and the kids are illegals anyways... FUCK YOU MEXICANS!!!!!
MEXCANS :scarface:
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
They are stealing poor Americans jobs, especially black Americans. Basically alot of the unskilled jobs that men here in America do, like construction, are going to Mexicans because they are willing to work for half of what Americans are willing to. So alot of these men here in the US who don't go to college are really losing out and it isn't fair.
The biggest joke is when people who support illegal immigration say"Who will mow your lawns? Who will raise your kids". I feel like slapping them and tell them that we mow our own damn lawns and raise our own damn kids. Do they really think every American has a gardener and a nanny?
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
They are stealing poor Americans jobs, especially black Americans. Basically alot of the unskilled jobs that men here in America do, like construction, are going to Mexicans because they are willing to work for half of what Americans are willing to. So alot of these men here in the US who don't go to college are really losing out and it isn't fair.
I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
They are stealing poor Americans jobs, especially black Americans. Basically alot of the unskilled jobs that men here in America do, like construction, are going to Mexicans because they are willing to work for half of what Americans are willing to. So alot of these men here in the US who don't go to college are really losing out and it isn't fair.
I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
they all DIE!!!
MEXICAN'S MAKING OVER $600,000 :scarface:
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I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
Oh I am not going to deny the work ethic of these Mexicans. No one can deny that they bust their asses. I think white people work hard too (just not the blacks).
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I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
Oh I am not going to deny the work ethic of these Mexicans. No one can deny that they bust their asses. I think white people work hard too (just not the blacks).
What do you have against every race besides whites? Do you have any friends that are of "color"? Please explain. I'm rationally trying to figure you out here.
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I don't have anything against anyone. I'm not racist. I think all people should be treated equally.
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I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
Oh I am not going to deny the work ethic of these Mexicans. No one can deny that they bust their asses. I think white people work hard too (just not the blacks).
ha ha ha ha ha ha
he said that blacks don't work hard.... ha ha ha ha ha ha... and then said his not racist... ha ha ha ha ha ha... this guy is too much.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha
he said that blacks don't work hard.... ha ha ha ha ha ha... and then said his not racist... ha ha ha ha ha ha... this guy is too much.
You yourself have said that Mexicans work harder than Americans.
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Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
You yourself have said that Mexicans work harder than Americans.
He said "some of them are better workers" to explain that it may not be JUST because of the lower wages most of them are willing to accept... you're the one who made the generalization... face it, you're nothing but a dumb, ignorant Polack who likes jacking off to gay white on white porn
Also, remember that American doesn't necessarily mean white... there are Americans of Mexican decent, you dirty bigot son of a Polish bitch
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I'll reply for you...
"Overseer I want him banned"
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They are stealing poor Americans jobs
This is Stupid and racist. You said we are willing to work for half of what americans get. Why do you think were willing to work for less???
You think we wanna work and get half of what americans get??? NO! but we got to because we got to feed our families so our children can get a chance to be the American.
You want us to be gone so you can earn more. Instead of trying to help us, you want to kick us out and see us suffer.
Imagine if it was you. Your in Mexico making 3 dollars a day and you just look over the border and see americans in their nice cars and all thats stopping you from being there is a line. Would you cross it for a better life???
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They are stealing poor Americans jobs
This is Stupid and racist. You said we are willing to work for half of what americans get. Why do you think were willing to work for less???
You think we wanna work and get half of what americans get??? NO! but we got to because we got to feed our families so our children can get a chance to be the American.
You want us to be gone so you can earn more. Instead of trying to help us, you want to kick us out and see us suffer.
Imagine if it was you. Your in Mexico making 3 dollars a day and you just look over the border and see americans in their nice cars and all thats stopping you from being there is a line. Would you cross it for a better life???
It isn't my problem if Mexico is fucked up. That is the Mexicans problem. Why don't you worry about what the mexican government is doing?
The fact is, if illegal immigration hurts American workers then we shouldn't allow it. America is for Americans first and foremost, not Mexicans.
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As much as I disagree with most of what real american stands for he is right on that last comment. You see how this is being driven by emotion again instead of sense. The fact is the more people that can do the job the less the average person will get driving everyones income down. Mexicans may work very hard but the fact is they are under cutting wages, not their fault of course, its the corporations feeding on the fallout from Mexico. However you have to say enough is enough and if I we were an illegal immigrant thinking about this rationally then I would want the border closed to because it will then impact on my family. As for this idea of an amnesty what a joke you enter the country illegally and get rewarded for it. It is George Bush (yes that fool) who is trying to sell the idea). This is to real american now, you really need to wake up and realise the bush governent is complicit in this at the highest levels.
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who's jobs are the mexicans stealing anyway ?
They are stealing poor Americans jobs, especially black Americans. Basically alot of the unskilled jobs that men here in America do, like construction, are going to Mexicans because they are willing to work for half of what Americans are willing to. So alot of these men here in the US who don't go to college are really losing out and it isn't fair.
I know illegals working construction for like $600,000 a year dog, and there is Americans willing to work for cheaper. Have you ever thought that some of them are just better workers.
crap, that is alot of money..
well if the mexicans are stealing the blacks jobs in the poor community... well i find that hard to believe. if the mexicans can survive on a poor wage, send money over the border, and keep poppin out kids, then surely the blacks in the poor community could do likewise. they could work for the same wage if they wanted to..
and before anyone starts sayin bullshit, you goto start somewhere, i'm not saying the blacks should work for a low wage, but the skills they earn they could take to the next job, people can work their way to the top, but you goto start somewhere... on welfare isnt the way.
and cwalker, first you complain that mexicans take blacks jobs, then you say blacks are lazy...
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Wtf? black people white people american people have to pay taxes, the illegal worker wont. So yeah I am sure it is really easy to drop to the levels of what the mexicans are being paid. How the hell can you say some of these things seriously
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They are stealing poor Americans jobs
This is Stupid and racist. You said we are willing to work for half of what americans get. Why do you think were willing to work for less???
You think we wanna work and get half of what americans get??? NO! but we got to because we got to feed our families so our children can get a chance to be the American.
You want us to be gone so you can earn more. Instead of trying to help us, you want to kick us out and see us suffer.
Imagine if it was you. Your in Mexico making 3 dollars a day and you just look over the border and see americans in their nice cars and all thats stopping you from being there is a line. Would you cross it for a better life???
It isn't my problem if Mexico is fucked up. That is the Mexicans problem. Why don't you worry about what the mexican government is doing?
Have you heard of NAFTA?
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Wtf? black people white people american people have to pay taxes, the illegal worker wont. So yeah I am sure it is really easy to drop to the levels of what the mexicans are being paid. How the hell can you say some of these things seriously
"Taxes paid by undocumented immigrants go into the SSA’s “suspense file,” when the Social Security number does not match SSA’s records. In 2002, the suspense file grew by $56 billion in reported earnings, with about $7 billion in Social Security tax and $1.5 billion in Medicare tax paid. This tax contribution represents about 10% of the current Social Security surplus—the difference between what is being collected in Social Security taxes and what is being paid out in benefits. "
http://www.immigrationforum.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=724
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They are stealing poor Americans jobs
This is Stupid and racist. You said we are willing to work for half of what americans get. Why do you think were willing to work for less???
You think we wanna work and get half of what americans get??? NO! but we got to because we got to feed our families so our children can get a chance to be the American.
You want us to be gone so you can earn more. Instead of trying to help us, you want to kick us out and see us suffer.
Imagine if it was you. Your in Mexico making 3 dollars a day and you just look over the border and see americans in their nice cars and all thats stopping you from being there is a line. Would you cross it for a better life???
It isn't my problem if Mexico is fucked up. That is the Mexicans problem. Why don't you worry about what the mexican government is doing?
The fact is, if illegal immigration hurts American workers then we shouldn't allow it. America is for Americans first and foremost, not Mexicans.
Illegal immigration also help businesses. You think these big corporations will be happy when their cheap labor will be taken away? At every angle of the debate there will people that are going to be pissed. What we'll eventually see is probably the legalization of most illegal immigrants already in the country, stronger border security, and be tougher on businesses.
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It isn't my problem if Mexico is fucked up. That is the Mexicans problem. Why don't you worry about what the mexican government is doing?
The fact is, if illegal immigration hurts American workers then we shouldn't allow it. America is for Americans first and foremost, not Mexicans
If they make the wall taller that means were going to have to climb higher, if they make the wall go even more underground that means were going to have to dig deeper, and if they make the wall longer that means were going to have to walk more to get around it.
No matter what the government does or says immigrants are still going to come over. Not cause they want to break the law but because they want a better life.
There was this protestor in L.A. a couple weeks ago and he was holding a sign that showed a picture of his son who is in the marines or army, and in the sign it said "In this case you dont say that we took your place"
Its like payaso said: "were good enough to die but not to live"
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mexicans need to go back to mexico and "energize" the economy there, stop leeching off our medicare system and education funds with all their "bi-lingual curriculum" thats wasting everything that makes our schools run. dont hit the diss button mexicans, try and cook up a reason why youre not a drag on America.
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Yes of course it enriches the profits of massive corporations giving them yet further power because they will pay the mexicans less than the americas. However like I have said it will bring down the standard of living in america ever more, this doesnt benefit the individual that is thy most people are against this illegal immigration and they are also against this ridiculous idea that the best way of getting rid of illegal immigration is by giving blanket amnesty. This isnt rocket science its common sense.
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mexicans need to go back to mexico and "energize" the economy there, stop leeching off our medicare system and education funds with all their "bi-lingual curriculum" thats wasting everything that makes our schools run. dont hit the diss button mexicans, try and cook up a reason why youre not a drag on America.
How many times do people have to point out it's not just the people from Mexico that are coming in? There are no more bilingual programs. It was taken away in the 1990s. The effect of the people receiving health care is such a small percentage, plus illegals have given 7 billion dollars to SS and 1.5 billion dollars to the medicare system.
Any American can actually get a job in the agriculture field in California. Most of the people working there are actually citizens, this problem has really been blown out of proportion.