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Title: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 04:42:05 AM
Sup? I've just seen this post in the DPG Forum with those quotes from an interview. I wanna post it and discuss it with you all.



STEVE EMELLI (HHC) - How did you manage to get Kurupt back on the label?

S. KNIGHT - I told him he needed to come back. I took care of a few problems he had, he was having some financial problems. I reminded him that he done his best work whilst on Tha Row, and should have been a superstar by now. I love Kurupt, he's a loyal person unlike many of his peers. He never said nuthin tryna downtalk me whilst I was locked-up, its great to have him back here. He's gonna be a huge player in this game.

STEVE EMELLI - What about Daz, is he coming back too perhaps?

S. KNIGHT - Daz is a very angry young man right now. You see all this noise he be yappin. He's like a mad little girl who's had her barbie doll snatched away. See when Kurupt was on Antra and was losing money every day almost, nobody was tryna help him. Not Daz, not Snoop, Dre...none of them. I heard about it, and straight away I got in talks with him. I wanted to sign him again anyway, but this just made me move faster because I wanted to help him out of a difficult situation. You see Daz thought him and Kurupt were so tight that nothing like Kurupt coming back to Tha Row could ever happen. And dont get me wrong, they are real close, but Daz didn't know nothing about Kurupt coming back. I got people at my offices that see Daz on the internet starting rumours about joining the armed forces n stuff. Next day he's doing something else. He's trying to make some noise for himself, trying to take the spotlight off of Kurupt. It wont happen though. Daz is desperate. What you gotta remember is, this kid has been moved on and passed around all his life. Nobody wanted him, until when he got on Tha Row, I showed all of them that somebody could be there. But now he's back in that position where nobody wants him. Kurupt has come back to me. Snoop is Daz's own damn cousin and even he barely does songs with him thesedays. Dre don't mess with Daz. All Daz got is his little independant nobodies to hang around with. It's sad really.

STEVE EMELLI - Have you heard about that Death Row Killer album he's putting out?

S. KNIGHT - Oh now that's funny. Yeah I heard bout it. That's how they do things see. Talk all that drama on record rather than come see a man face to face. It's like the difference between boys and men. Like Snoop. If you wanna talk strictly from a rap point of view I'll tell you one thing though, ain't nobody they could get on that record that could mess with Crooked I in a battle. If they try and diss us and all this, and I tell Crooked like, "Hey, these fools is tryna start something, go get em"...(laughs), haha, they wont know what hit them.

STEVE EMELLI - Puffy is supposedly on the album some say

S. KNIGHT - Look dogg I'll tell you this now, there's no way in hell Puffy will be on that record. And if he is, well there's no, no, no, no way that he'll be saying anything about me or my record label. They might have some little skit where he's saying something, but you can bet right now he won't be throwing no disses out there. Puffy is one man I know is a scared little negroe. What you gotta understand is, I've tried to meet this guy like four times since I been out of jail. In New York, I said come down, let's talk. But nothing. I mean I wanted to sit down and talk with this guy in the middle of Manhattan in a damn restaurant and still this guy dont wanna see me.

STEVE EMELLI - So you aren't worried about this "Killer" album then?

S. KNIGHT - Worried? About what? They'll drop that album, if they even have the balls to do that, it'll sell probably 10,000 copies and be forgotten about within a week. Every single person they have on there still won't have the nerve to see me and look me in my eye and say nuthin, it'll still be the same as before. Ain't nothing. Let me tell you this though, If Daz is sayingt, "Hey, I'm a Death Row killer", then basically he's saying "Hey yo, I'm a Kurupt killer", because Kurupt is every bit reppin Tha Row again now. He got that chain on everywhere, because he respect the game, he respect me and he respect Tha Row, and what it's done for him again. Putting him back on his feet, making him an executive in charge on new upcoming artists, and saying we'll make him the star he should be. Daz can make his little records, he's the mad rapper now I guess huh. But Kurupt is enjoying himself.

STEVE EMELLI - Just finally on this, how has Kurupt been since he came back? I mean he left all his friends, everything he knew. It's a whole different roster on the label now isn't it, how has he fitted in?

S. KNIGHT - It's family man, we a family. He already knew Crooked I, they knew each other. Eastwood he met before, and he's really tight with Left Eye so he was comfortable to come back. And it's crazy, him and Crooked have been in the studio banging out some hits for sure. They done this one song just the other day, called "Earth Girls Are Easy". They just rap back and forth about broads, its a hilarious track though. And him and Eastwood got some heat together too. We're making them hits again.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 04:47:24 AM
You know.. i've written this shit a lot of times. I'm saying it from months, and i was been dissed by a lot of you (even webmasters) over this opinion.

But u can't neglect this.

Kurupt said it too ("i did it not only for myself, but for my family. I was broken. Nobody helped me but Suge)

Daz said it too ("Snoop aint hollering at me", "fuck Dr.Dre", "fuck Nate Dogg")

Suge said it too (in this interview)

Warren G said it too ("i was broken, and Snoop/Dre didnt help me, but still i got love for em all" - translated it means that he was mad at em, but since he is half brother of Dre and the best homie of Snoop, he cant show it)

Well.. it's sad! I mean DPGC made theirselves the best crew in hip-hop history ever (in my opinion) and they destroyed theirselves like that. For the money. Sad, but this is the world today, so it reflects this world.

Oh.. and the sad thing is that Snoop is still claiming DPG. Daz is claiming another DPG. Snoop is claiming 213. Nate aint claiming shit no more. Warren G is claiming G-Funk again. Snoop is claiming NWA. Etc.. but they are just claiming M-O-N-E-Y.

Word to Wu: C-R-E-A-M
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: DeaDSouLjaH on February 16, 2002, 04:50:45 AM
wow...suge has guyz who check da dpgc forums... lol ..
daz joinin da armed forces..

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: AxleF on February 16, 2002, 04:51:54 AM
Wow.  Suge called Daz a little girl!  hahahaha.. wow

The one thing that I dont agree with is the shit he said about Daz and his Indie friends.  The indie market is all anybody really needs.  Fuck the big labels.  If I was any of em, Id be hustlin like 40 water.  Ghetto Plat gets much more respect on the streets.  40 got his rich's to show for it.  In that respect, Im proud of Daz.  I just hope he gets his foot out of him mouth and starts focus's on making DPGRecordz a respected label.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 04:53:55 AM
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wow...suge has guyz who check da dpgc forums... lol ..
daz joinin da armed forces..



Of course! Internet fans are too much a good resorce for Death Row or Daz to ignore em, man. Of course they check this shit. Not Suge, but guys who works at DR for sure!

Like Crooked I made a track dedicated to the board. Probably he doesnt give a fuck about the board, but he was told to do it for commercial reasons. Internet fans are probably the richest font of buyers for DR and DPG now. They aint guys who watch MTV or BET for sure, so they cant ignore em.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 04:55:20 AM
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Wow.  Suge called Daz a little girl!  hahahaha.. wow

The one thing that I dont agree with is the shit he said about Daz and his Indie friends.  The indie market is all anybody really needs.  Fuck the big labels.  If I was any of em, Id be hustlin like 40 water.  Ghetto Plat gets much more respect on the streets.  40 got his rich's to show for it.  In that respect, Im proud of Daz.  I just hope he gets his foot out of him mouth and starts focus's on making DPGRecordz a respected label.


I agree. The only problem is that he's going to Bad Boy.... ;D
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: AxleF on February 16, 2002, 04:57:41 AM
Tonio,

I feel ya on everybody screamin DPG but with a diff meaning behind it.  It really upsets me.  I mean, I've devoted alot of time to being a DPG fan and they trippin over the money.  Kurupt didnt need to go back to The Row.  He could've handled his business and hustled the indie market.  The Row aint the only company he could've fucked with.  He could have said fuck Antra, fuck The Row, Im makin my own disks.  Kurupt is a better business man then Daz and I think he could do well putting out his own disks.  Im giving up on this drama and focusing on the rest of the west.  If they ever get their shit right, Ill be here to support em.  Ill never turn my back on the Westcoast.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: AxleF on February 16, 2002, 04:59:04 AM
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I agree. The only problem is that he's going to Bad Boy.... ;D



Thats still a rumer Mr. Tone-Capone.  I aint heard no confirmation from Bad Boy that this is TRU.

Ax
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on February 16, 2002, 05:00:23 AM
I agree antonio, it is sad, & these situations all seem similar saying they gots no help from Dre/Snoop. I mean I always thought that they were all tight as fuck but lately it all seems to be falling apart which is very sad & dissapointing. I really hope Kurupt blows up, I hate that he went back to tha row but as long as he knows what he's doing & he gets positive things from it then it's all gravy. I just hope he stays away from dissing everyone.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 05:02:50 AM
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Tonio,

I feel ya on everybody screamin DPG but with a diff meaning behind it.  It really upsets me.  I mean, I've devoted alot of time to being a DPG fan and they trippin over the money.  Kurupt didnt need to go back to The Row.  He could've handled his business and hustled the indie market.  The Row aint the only company he could've fucked with.  He could have said fuck Antra, fuck The Row, Im makin my own disks.  Kurupt is a better business man then Daz and I think he could do well putting out his own disks.  Im giving up on this drama and focusing on the rest of the west.  If they ever get their shit right, Ill be here to support em.  Ill never turn my back on the Westcoast.


Yeah, me too. U know it. But the problem aint just Kurupt. I dont wanna c Kurupt as the only problem. Kurupt aint the cancer of DPGC. Kurupt just saw it and left DPGC. We gotta look at this cancer from another prospective, homie. Feel me?

Why Kurupt was forced to left? Why DPGC aint a group no more from the day they left Death Row?

Why all those problems/disses etc? If i got a problem with my sister, i still love her. I dont make tracks by calling her a bitch. U know what i mean? Instead Daz dissed Snoop, Dre & Nate, Fred Wreck & Bad Azz dissed Kurupt, Nate is working with East Coast more than DPGC, Snoop aint even commenting it, but he's working with Kokane etc..

What's the cancer?

And why they still claiming DPG? Damn! I know it's a gang etc.. but.. 213 too? NWA too?
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: AxleF on February 16, 2002, 05:06:02 AM
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Yeah, me too. U know it. But the problem aint just Kurupt. I dont wanna c Kurupt as the only problem. Kurupt aint the cancer of DPGC. Kurupt just saw it and left DPGC. We gotta look at this cancer from another prospective, homie. Feel me?

Why Kurupt was forced to left? Why DPGC aint a group no more from the day they left Death Row?

Why all those problems/disses etc? If i got a problem with my sister, i still love her. I dont make tracks by calling her a bitch. U know what i mean? Instead Daz dissed Snoop, Dre & Nate, Fred Wreck & Bad Azz dissed Kurupt, Nate is working with East Coast more than DPGC, Snoop aint even commenting it, but he's working with Kokane etc..

What's the cancer?



The cancer???  The almight Dollar, Dollar Bill ya'll!!

That's real tone-capone.  I still wish they would see how dope they are together and the fact that none of em make as much "Dollar, Dollar" money being solo.  IMO.

Ax
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: gFuNkA on February 16, 2002, 05:07:49 AM
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Im giving up on this drama and focusing on the rest of the west.  If they ever get their shit right, Ill be here to support em.  Ill never turn my back on the Westcoast.


me too...let´s handle them their business as it´s all about the MONEY !!!!!!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 05:10:29 AM
FACTS:

DPGC together: best albums ever, money, respect, great tracks, West on top of the game.

DPGC solo: no platinum albums (ok, Snoop went platinum, but he aint even comparable to the young Snoop), no money (well.. only Snoop got money. Because of movies, publicity and the most important thing.. because he was tight when he was young. Not because of albums like Da Game or The Wash), no respect (they left respect from 3/4 of their fans. Maybe they are still buying albums like us, but... u still got respect for em like u had in 1991-96?), no great tracks (just 1 a album), no West coast albums in the top 100 right now.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Sven on February 16, 2002, 05:10:59 AM
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I agree. The only problem is that he's going to Bad Boy.... ;D

I don't think this will ever happen. Just like Suge said, Daz is not known what he's talkin bout atm.
Daz is everything but a clever buisness man at the moment!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Trauma-san on February 16, 2002, 05:20:14 AM
The way I see it:

1. Props to Kurupt for doing whatever he thinks necessary to support his family, man.

2. Snoop is doing pretty good, but he's also got to watch out for his... I don't really blame him for not being on daz's stuff too much, there's still some wounds there. I can't really fault Snoop for any of this.

3. Dr. Dre could give a damn about Kurupt, Daz, any of those guys.  He will never, ever, ever give daz a bone again (I can't really blame him) and I think his absense (Instead, he sent his backup man, Fredwreck) on Kurupt's Space Boogie tells you a lot about what Dre thinks about these guys.  Did you see Dre on Nate's cd?  Nope, he's too busy working with new guys, so he can add that under his belt and say "Yeah,I made Knoc famous".  Why can't he do 2 tracks for Knoc, 2 tracks for Kurupt?  He's working with Missy Elliot, for petes sake.  WHY?  She sucks.  I can understand him wanting to work with people, but not forsaking your own crew over it.  The Nate Dogg thing REALLY pissed me off, As Much as Nate's done for dre over the years, dre can't do 1 single Nate Dogg song?  That's bitchmade.

4. Nate Dogg - here's another example of a guy just trying to make his, working with whoever he has to to support himself.  Gets no respect, and no money... until recently.

5.  Daz - I dunno what to say about daz.  He just don't have a good mind, one day he disses, next day he's dissing somebody else.  He needs to stop smokin' that sherm.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Nosak on February 16, 2002, 05:27:10 AM
So! Suge still a joke ...
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 05:29:05 AM
I Remember Way Before All This Shit Happened, Even When Suge Was Still In Prison. I Said That In About A Year Death Row Would Be Back On Top Of Things - It Looks Like It Could Happen If Suge Plays His Cards Right. I Believe Kurupt Made The Right Choice Moving To Tha Row, Especially Since Neither Daz, Snoop, Or Dre Were Willing To Help Him Out (Not Sure If Thats Completely True, After All Can We Trust Everything That Suge Says).
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: DeaDSouLjaH on February 16, 2002, 05:42:20 AM
man...misantonio...your posts really made me think where da rap game is gettin at..  
shit things looks like they are in shambles for west coast rap .. dawm ...
but like LOGIC said..dawm maybe tha Row can make it big..
snoop can drop an album that will sell as silence his critics!!
n daz.... i dont know wat daz is gonna do...  
kurupt, crooked I ... u neva know..
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 05:53:13 AM
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snoop can drop an album that will sell as silence his critics!!
n daz.... i dont know wat daz is gonna do...  
kurupt, crooked I ... u neva know..


Snoop DOGGY Dogg, Will Never In My Eyes Make Another Album As Good As Doggystyle, No Matter How Many Tracks Dr Dre Produces. I'm Still Going To Be Bumping His Music, And I Listen To Doggystyle Weekly - But I'll Be Looking For Snoop In Movies Aswell Now.

Daz Probably Won't Sell Great. Probably More Than What He Would Before All This - But Still Nothing Amazing, Even If Its A Classic Album. You're Always Going To Get Die Hard Death Row Fans That Refuse To By Daz Or Snoop Related Albums, And Die Hard Daz Fans That Will Refuse To Buy Anything Tha Row Puts Out. Guess Some People Are Just Stubborn.

Kurupt, Crooked I, Tha Releast - There Album Sales Will Strongly Depends On What Happens With Death Row This Coming Year. Like I Said Before If Suge Plays His Cards Right Then Maybe He Can Make Some Classic Albums With The Artists Signed To Tha Row.

Overall, It Should Be Dope To See What Happens Over The Next Few Months. Lets Face It, Death Row Has Been What Everyones Talking About (Especially Here) Ever Since Suge Was Released From Prison And Started Running His Mouth. People Hate On Suge But He Knows How To Get Publicity.... And Depending On The Publicity, That Can Lead To More Record Sales, More Record Sales Leads To Tha Row Getting Back On Top Of The Game Again......
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: DeaDSouLjaH on February 16, 2002, 05:56:25 AM
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Overall, It Should Be Dope To See What Happens Over The Next Few Months. Lets Face It, Death Row Has Been What Everyones Talking About (Especially Here) Ever Since Suge Was Released From Prison And Started Running His Mouth. People Hate On Suge But He Knows How To Get Publicity.... And Depending On The Publicity, That Can Lead To More Record Sales, More Record Sales Leads To Tha Row Getting Back On Top Of The Game Again......


WORD...publicity...

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: AxleF on February 16, 2002, 05:57:10 AM
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FACTS:

no West coast albums in the top 100 right now.


I feel that Tony Tone.  But also focus on the fact that DR hasnt released a solo album of new material since Michelle.  Im not the one to give a fuck about top 100 anyway.  Corp Plat status never moved me to begin with.  Im all about that indie bubble and good music.  They made good music together and even if they where together, they still might not break the top 100 in todays music industry.  The West aint on top with or without the DPGC being together.  Just them being together isnt gonna fix the top 100 problem.

This kinda goes back to the Knoc thread (Will Knoc Go Plat.)  Even Knoc might have problems stayin on top.  Its just not time for the West to shine.  With our without The Doggpound being together.  If that makes any sense.  

Ax
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 06:06:28 AM
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The West aint on top with or without the DPGC being together.  Just them being together isnt gonna fix the top 100 problem.


Word. Not Like Chart Positions Matter To Me, But It's Bound To For The Artists. Even More So If Your Putting Hard Work In At The Studio (Doing Whatever It Is, Lyrics, Beats) And Your Album Is A Flop. But The West Will Have A Struggle Running The Hip Hop Charts, Mainly Because Of The Pop-Rap Albums (Really Poor Excuse For Music) That Are Been Released On The East And South Coast. (Ja Rule, Nelly etc.).
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Quadruple OG on February 16, 2002, 06:07:59 AM
I said this a while back, but this is more proof that the balance of power has shifted from Aftermath/DoggyStyle to Tha Row.  

Suge a joke??????  Suge at least has a gameplan or idea of wht he's gonna do.  Looking at the "DPGC", that thing is dead, because as antonio mentioned, it means different things to different people.  DoggyStyle and Aftermath have not made any major move to bolster their roster.  I know some will claim "what about E-White?", and what about him?  Have you ever heard him rap?  The only thing he's done is write 2 songs for Warren G, yet I saw a post the other day claiming E-White is "great".  Snoop is the only money maker on his label, and the sad thing is that the artists on his fuckin label KNOW THAT.  Why do you think Tray Deee and Goldie Loc released or going to release underground albums?  Because they know they can make more $$$$ underground than if they released a solo album that song 100,000 max, even with videos, radio play, etc.  Look at Aftermath, The Wash soundtrack, which was supposed to be such a great album, flopped BADLY.  Dre is just tryin to build up his resume instead of making one or 2 bangin albums for people.  Nate Dogg's album flopped because his homies weren't their for him.  Why do you think Nate Dogg pimped himself out to different artists for hooks?  Nate Dogg was on a few tracks on 2001, Last Meal, and Eastsidaz, and what do Snoop and Dre do to return the favor?  One fuckin song each.  Kurupt was down with Nate, which is why Kurupt appeared on more than one song on "Music and Me".  Right now, Doggystyle is in dissaray, because the only album that is on the horizon for them is Snoop, and it'll be the only album that Doggystyles releases that sells over 500,000 copies.  Aftermath has some sort of idea, with Eminem's album coming in a couple of months.  But I have a hunch Eminem is gonna distance himself from Dre, especially since Eminem has improved himself as a producer, and probably wants to promote Shady Records and D12 and Obie Trice.  Suge has lpans at least, with Crooked I's debut album in April, and albums from Eastwood, Nina, and possible Kurupt and J. Valentine.  Once the artists get more exposure and interviews, Suge will be in the media spotlight a little less, although pretty much everyone wants a Suge Knight interview cuz when Suge speaks, everyone listens.  When Suge talks, people respond to it, bitch about it, say what a joke, etc, even when shit happens like what he said at the Summit.  Like former Chicago White Sox owner Bill Veeck said, "any publicity is good publicity", and whether you like him or not, every word you speak on Suge is giving him free publicty and people will want to check out more of what he says.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Nosak on February 16, 2002, 06:19:08 AM
Oh and for the one who said none west coast albums where in top 100, that not because they wack, that’s because people don’t recognize gangsta rap no more, the era is over, now it's all about the bling bling, but shit is changing again, do we heard about cash money anymore, :D
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 06:32:47 AM
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Nate Dogg's album flopped because his homies weren't their for him.  Why do you think Nate Dogg pimped himself out to different artists for hooks?  Nate Dogg was on a few tracks on 2001, Last Meal, and Eastsidaz, and what do Snoop and Dre do to return the favor?  One fuckin song each.  Kurupt was down with Nate, which is why Kurupt appeared on more than one song on "Music and Me".


Hell, Maybe Nate Dogg Will Join Death Row.  :) That Would Be Great For Death Row, It Would Be Another Step For Them To Make It Big Again.  

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Right now, Doggystyle is in dissaray, because the only album that is on the horizon for them is Snoop, and it'll be the only album that Doggystyles releases that sells over 500,000 copies.  Aftermath has some sort of idea, with Eminem's album coming in a couple of months.  But I have a hunch Eminem is gonna distance himself from Dre, especially since Eminem has improved himself as a producer, and probably wants to promote Shady Records and D12 and Obie Trice.


I'm Still Hoping Dre Doesn't Have A Massive Influence On This Album. Not Because I Ain't A Massive Fan Of Dres Work, But Because I Believe Eminem Needs To Prove Something On His Upcoming Album....Plus Without Dre We Might Be Able To Hear Some Infinite Sort Of Stuff.

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Suge has lpans at least, with Crooked I's debut album in April, and albums from Eastwood, Nina, and possible Kurupt and J. Valentine.  Once the artists get more exposure and interviews, Suge will be in the media spotlight a little less, although pretty much everyone wants a Suge Knight interview cuz when Suge speaks, everyone listens.  When Suge talks, people respond to it, bitch about it, say what a joke, etc, even when shit happens like what he said at the Summit.  Like former Chicago White Sox owner Bill Veeck said, "any publicity is good publicity", and whether you like him or not, every word you speak on Suge is giving him free publicty and people will want to check out more of what he says.


Exactly What I've Been Saying.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: bez on February 16, 2002, 06:37:54 AM
Interesting!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: antt213 on February 16, 2002, 07:01:31 AM

The Nate Dogg thing REALLY pissed me off, As Much as Nate's done for dre over the years, dre can't do 1 single Nate Dogg song?  That's bitchmade.

didn't dre do "your wife" ?
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 07:04:10 AM
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The Nate Dogg thing REALLY pissed me off, As Much as Nate's done for dre over the years, dre can't do 1 single Nate Dogg song?  That's bitchmade.


LOL....People Hating On Dre Now... I Also Remember When I Use To Give NO Respect To Dre, And Everyone Hated On Me.  :)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Joachim on February 16, 2002, 07:12:14 AM
Suge keeps talking, but he still aint saying anything i wanna hear. As for Crooked I, i know he's so damn hood and all but imo, he's the poor mans Chino XL.

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 07:15:45 AM
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Suge keeps talking, but he still aint saying anything i wanna hear. As for Crooked I, i know he's so damn hood and all but imo, he's the poor mans Chino XL.



Chino XL And Crooked I Are Very Similar Artists, But There Both Good, Very Nearly On The Same Level. I Would Rate Chino XL Higher Because He Has More Material Out. When Crooked I Drops His Album, It's Going To Be Tight As Fuck - I Can Sense It.  :)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Crenshaw_blvd on February 16, 2002, 07:52:12 AM
".  The Nate Dogg thing REALLY pissed me off, As Much as Nate's done for dre over the years, dre can't do 1 single Nate Dogg song?  That's bitchmade. "
DR.DRE IS ON MUSIC & ME ON THE TRACK "YOUR WIFE"!

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on February 16, 2002, 08:04:43 AM
this topic is real interesting!" it makes you look at things the other way round...
its true things arent lookin  good for the dpgc now....
anyway.. dre was on music & me on the track your wife (#7)
peace
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Alex_Wreck on February 16, 2002, 08:39:44 AM
This has been one of the best posts in a while, yet the usual ignorance still resides.

Mack_11, you posted that best fuckin post in this whole thread. Everybody's saying, "FUCK SUGE THIS, FUCK SUGE THAT", but the fact of the matter is, Suge is out there making moves, getting himself known, which is something that can't be said for Snoop Dogg (music wise anyways), Daz, or even Dre to a certain extent.

Everybody's also been talking shit about Kurupt. about "Backstabbin' his homies" or the like. Well I think what people seem to forget is that there's a point in someone's life where they need to grow up and when it won't be all about Friends & Homies. It'll start being about Family, your wife, and kids, and surviving to make a living. Kurupt has reached this point and matured.

Random thoughts:
I think the whole Nate Dogg thing's pretty stupid. He whored himself stupid to everyone, but along the way, I thought he still kept it tight with his homies. When it came down to his album, it seemed to be a big mess, with no sort of direction what so ever. Look at the guest list. JD. Pharoe Monch. Lil Mo. Ludacris. Ludacris? I mean, cmon, these artists may be skilled in their own way and style, but, Ludacris on a Nate Dogg album? What the hell is that? No Daz Dillinger or Warren G production on your album? The 2 producers that made your first album(s)? These producers are starving, and you know that if Nate would've approached them they would've been more than willing to put some beats down. But noo, he had to keep it g.a.n.g.s.t.a. with Lil' Mo.
And Nate Dogg & Kurupt. Why did Nate go "sporatic" on Kurupt? Kurupt kept it the realest with Nate all along. Who had the best (arguably) guest spot on Space Boogie? Nate. Who put it down on that Behind The Walls song? Kurupt & Nate. If Nate shoulda went ballistic on anyone, it shouldve been on himself. Maybe on Daz, Warren, Snoop or someone.

i'm out
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: ExZit on February 16, 2002, 09:10:00 AM
intresting interview antonio!

the best way for the DPGC to stay together is to stay under the same label....
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Dogg_Pound_Gangsta on February 16, 2002, 09:20:21 AM
if tha row killer album comes out then suges gon send crooked i to deal wit it on wax?  then i guess hes gon have beef wit all the DPG again.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Hittman on February 16, 2002, 09:41:44 AM
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if tha row killer album comes out then suges gon send crooked i to deal wit it on wax?  then i guess hes gon have beef wit all the DPG again.


Again?! When Was The Last Time Crooked I Had Beef With DPG?!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Bosko-2G on February 16, 2002, 11:36:22 AM
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STEVE EMELLI - So you aren't worried about this "Killer" album then?

S. KNIGHT - Worried? About what? They'll drop that album, if they even have the balls to do that, it'll sell probably 10,000 copies and be forgotten about within a week. Every single person they have on there still won't have the nerve to see me and look me in my eye and say nuthin, it'll still be the same as before. Ain't nothing. Let me tell you this though, If Daz is sayingt, "Hey, I'm a Death Row killer", then basically he's saying "Hey yo, I'm a Kurupt killer", because Kurupt is every bit reppin Tha Row again now. He got that chain on everywhere, because he respect the game, he respect me and he respect Tha Row, and what it's done for him again. Putting him back on his feet, making him an executive in charge on new upcoming artists, and saying we'll make him the star he should be. Daz can make his little records, he's the mad rapper now I guess huh. But Kurupt is enjoying himself.



Haha, this really made me realize how much of a fuckin' joke "Tha Row Killa" project is. Suge ain't worried 'bout no piece of shit record that won't even go wood. He said it the best, they can talk all the shit they wanna on wax, but when it gets down to it, they ain't sayin shit to his face. And Daz would be lucky to even move 10,000 units, if this shit even gets released.

I ain't sayin' that I don't like beefs.. beefs and battles have always been a big part of hip-hop.. but what Daz is doin' is just stupid and immature. We'll see how much noise this "album" makes.. good luck, Daz.

Now before people start callin' me a hyprocrite, yes I'm aware that Tha Row dissed alot of their former inmates for years.. that was also very immature, but they ain't doin that shit as much anymore. Suge is just makin' moves right now, and gettin' Tha Row back in the game.. he ain't worried 'bout beefin' at the moment.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Nosak on February 16, 2002, 12:39:00 PM
do ya'll really think crooked I can fuck with all dpgc members, oh pleez  ::)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Trauma-san on February 16, 2002, 12:59:13 PM
Depends on if they come to play.  Right now, nobody's on crooked's level.  Snoop is more than capable but he won't do it.

Sorry about the Nate/Dre mixup.  I still think it's screwed up that he can't work more with those guys, though.  And he didn't have anything to do with Space Boogie, that's horrible.  He probably won't be on the new snoop album; if he isn't , I'll stop listening to him, man... Like someone else said, he's working on his resume.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Bosko-2G on February 16, 2002, 01:02:30 PM
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do ya'll really think crooked I can fuck with all dpgc members, oh pleez  ::)


The DPGC (minus Kurupt) CAN'T fuck with Crooked I.. that's the way it is homie.. we talkin' battlin', not record sales.

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: min0rity on February 16, 2002, 01:08:02 PM
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do ya'll really think crooked I can fuck with all dpgc members, oh pleez  ::)



ummm..actually yeah...

crooked i vs snoop = come on now.....
vs daz = same as above
vs kurupt = should be interesting but in the end crooked should be the winner
vs warren g = same as snoop, and daz


snoop, daz, warren aren't even on the same level then crooked i.....lets put it this way crooked i is HUNGRY....he might not sell a lot but he is one of the best in the west right now....
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 01:18:33 PM
Thanx for the props, about the post.

Btw.. Dre is on Music & Me, but his track is the worse of the album. Maybe it's a tie with the Ludacriss one. As the worse of the album. If you think that it is a track with the level and perfection of a classic Dre track... you are understimate Dre! It aint shit compared to every track made by Dre for 2001. It aint even close. And we all know it. Same with Ludacriss. Nate made Ludacriss famous with Area Codes. Nate helped Dre from 1991 to 2001. And the shit they did in return is GARBAGE! Ok, some of you like the 2 tracks, but they aint shit compared to what Nate did for em. Nobody can neglect this.

About Suge.... when you talk about him, remember he's the best CEO in the rap history. You forgot about all the platinum albums he made? From The Chronic to Gang Related. Shit he went multiple platinum with soundtracks too!! When he says something, he doesnt say it to look like a gangsta. Cause he's a G and everybody knows it. He aint saying it to tell you the truth. When he said Dre wanted to be a white man, he didnt say it to tell us the truth. But to make us say: "Hey.. u heard Suge?". When he gave Ja Rule props.... do you really thinks he did it cause he really likes him? Hell naw! That's cause he got thousands of fans who can give Suge props back. Just think about it. Daz is pratically doing the same. He aint shit now. Nobody wanna work with him no more but Lil Eazy & Bigg A. So he's dissing Dre, Nate, even Snoop (not really a diss, but.. he said that he's pissed off cause Snoop aint hollering at him), Kurupt, Suge Knight.

When DR had problems, they dissed DPG to survive.
Now Daz is doing the same. He's dissing Suge to survive.

Cause we all know it was stupid to diss Snoop/Dre like Tha Row did. And it's stupid to diss Kurupt/Suge like Daz did.

But they did it to survive. Cause if guys stop to talk about you, you dead. And if your music aint impressing fans, you betta make some noise. How? By dissing "hot" artists/labels. And believe it or not, Tha Row is on top of the game right now about the curiosity of the fans, about potential buyers/fans, about everything. Nobody can fuck with Tha Row if they start to make great music again.

To Axle.
Ok, i know nobody cares about sales, but.. if there are no West Coast albums in the top 100, it's because of QUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont want excuses, but.. if u cut Warren G... tell me a single album compared to 1991-1996 that the West released in 2001! Nothing! NOTHING! So i dont blame Death Row. Ok, their last album was Michel'le, but...

hey!!!! Kill Shaq, trade Kobe and cut Fisher and Horry. Oh.. and send Phil Jackson to jail!! What u have? Still another ring? I dont think so! U know what i mean? They killed Death Row. Now Suge/Phil Jackson is back, with new rookies and a superstar (Kurupt). Just give him some time. You can judge a team without Shaq/Kobe/Fisher/Horry/Phil! Judge it with all their players/coach! I cant really blame em for what they did when Suge was in jail. Nobody can survive like that. Well.. they found a way! By dissing DPG and by releasing Pac albums. And now they back. Give em a chance.

You know.. they won nothing but rings with the whole roster complete back in the days. World Champions from 1991 to 1997. Still unbeatables!

About DPGC... i think we all agree about it: C-R-E-A-M!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Nosak on February 16, 2002, 01:26:37 PM
yes
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ummm..actually yeah...

crooked i vs snoop = come on now.....
vs daz = same as above
vs kurupt = should be interesting but in the end crooked should be the winner
vs warren g = same as snoop, and daz


snoop, daz, warren aren't even on the same level then crooked i.....lets put it this way crooked i is HUNGRY....he might not sell a lot but he is one of the best in the west right now....

yeah
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 01:32:50 PM
Another proof!

Daz just said in his official site that Suge fucked his own wife and that she's pregnant now.

Click here to listen to Daz saying it

http://www.dpgrecordz.com/audio/daz.ram


I dont think i have to add more. He's even dissing his own wife!!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jome on February 16, 2002, 01:38:42 PM
No offense, but you seem a little confused Antonio.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 01:39:28 PM
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No offense, but you seem a little confused Antonio.


Confused? Was the Lakers methaphor too hard for you to understand it? Ok, sorry then. I'll use the Pokemon characters next time.  ;D
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jome on February 16, 2002, 01:44:22 PM
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Confused? The Lakes methaphor was too hard for you to understand it? Ok, sorry then. I'll use the Pokemon characters next time.  ;D


Ha-ha-haaaa
I mean it seems like you hopping back and forth from camp to camp. One time you praise Dre/Snoop etc., next time you praise Suge & Tha Row, and then going back and forth, not sure on which camp you should decide to support.

Just some thoughts after reading most of your posts.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 01:52:05 PM
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Ha-ha-haaaa
I mean it seems like you hopping back and forth from camp to camp. One time you praise Dre/Snoop etc., next time you praise Suge & Tha Row, and then going back and forth, not sure on which camp you should decide to support.

Just some thoughts after reading most of your posts.


Yeah! ;D
I was joking about Pokemon. But.. i never praised nobody (expecially Dre/Snoop). I dont support camps. I'm not a Death Row fan. Or a DPG fan. I'm a good music fan. A West fan. Like my homie Axle. I recognize Dre is tight, the number one. But i still recognize he made and he's making a lot of mistakes. I recognize Snoop was a star, but he aint "my" Snoop no more, from some years, and he's making mistakes. Daz? I love him, but.. he's out of his mind now. Death Row? I hated em for what they did to Pac, but i recognize they made rappers's gangsta image more than lyrics or beats.

I dont really care about labels or camps. For real.

PAC WAS MY ONLY LABEL/CAMP! HE WAS THE BEST. CALL ME A PAC DICKRIDER. I LOVED HIM. I GOT HIS POSTER IN MY WALL. But i like good music/rappers. Not camps. It's not bloods vs crips for me. No DR vs DPG. Like it was no Ruthless vs Death Row. But good Ruthless and good Death Row. It's the same now.

;)

btw this shit about Suge fucking Daz's wife is too funny!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Alex_Wreck on February 16, 2002, 01:57:32 PM
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do ya'll really think crooked I can fuck with all dpgc members, oh pleez  ::)

Yes.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jome on February 16, 2002, 02:02:47 PM
Ooooh, a relaxed, unrioting Tonio-post? ;D
So yer really searchin the truth behind the music, trying to find some answers?
I've given up that, that's exactly what they wants us to do, especially Suge, with his "relaxed gangsta"-image.

Remember when Suge was in jail, anybody be like: "Yeah, Suge gettin raped in jail, he aint gonna be shit ever again"

Now he making silly statements all over the place, getting all the headlines, making a easy comeback to the rapgame.

I bet he planned all the statements in prison, sitting in his prison-cell planning optimal publicity-stunts.
He's a sly guy, he knows what makes the game.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 16, 2002, 02:09:22 PM
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Ooooh, a relaxed, unrioting Tonio-post? ;D
So yer really searchin the truth behind the music, trying to find some answers?
I've given up that, that's exactly what they wants us to do, especially Suge, with his "relaxed gangsta"-image.

Remember when Suge was in jail, anybody be like: "Yeah, Suge gettin raped in jail, he aint gonna be shit ever again"

Now he making silly statements all over the place, getting all the headlines, making a easy comeback to the rapgame.

I bet he planned all the statements in prison, sitting in his prison-cell planning optimal publicity-stunts.
He's a sly guy, he knows what makes the game.


Hell yeah! Btw it looks like Suge raped Daz's wife in jail. LOL! Not that he was raped in jail. I mean... Daz said he got a relation with his wife from about 5 months, lol! Damn.. this shit is too funny! At the very end i'm enjoying it! LOL! Everyday something new. It's better than Beautiful! (the soap opera)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on February 16, 2002, 03:23:02 PM
Everybody is talkin about Daz,Kurupt,Snoop,Nate,Warren G and Dr.Dre but DPGC also contains Soopafly

Also I Think That DPGC aint Dead...sure they aint the same as before but they R still there.Also Kurupt shouldnt have to go Bacc to Tha Row he could go to Def Jam or sum similar Labels.

Snoop is now claimin Dogghouse but still claimin DPGC,and he is down with Nate dogg ,Dr.Dre,Warren G,Soopafly..Daz(I dont know but Mission cleopatra is tight)also he is busy doing different stuff .

Soopafly is Claimin Dogghouse & Dogg Pound

Warren G he wants everybody to pay attention to him


Kurupt Switch gang

Daz ?????

So the result...Snoop wants to take the DPG name by doing different stuff like clothing, movies and his label.Also if we're not gonna c another DPGC album its all because of kurupt because Daz is down with Snoop like before ,and everybody got together but Kurupt fucked that shit up.In fact if the DPG album was successful without Snoop,Nate Dogg,Soopafly & Warren G  I dont know why it could Be Successful without kurupt,Dogghouse Records got the greatest production team in Tha west anywayz.

So DPGC may c the light again one day just hold on
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Big BpG on February 16, 2002, 08:41:14 PM
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Did you see Dre on Nate's cd?  Nope, he's too busy working with new guys, so he can add that under his belt and say "Yeah,I made Knoc famous".  Why can't he do 2 tracks for Knoc, 2 tracks for Kurupt?  He's working with Missy Elliot, for petes sake.  WHY?  She sucks.  I can understand him wanting to work with people, but not forsaking your own crew over it.  The Nate Dogg thing REALLY pissed me off, As Much as Nate's done for dre over the years, dre can't do 1 single Nate Dogg song?  That's bitchmade.
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Dre produced and appeared on Nate Dogg's album "music and me" ... I forgot the track title, but yes, he did do a song for nate

-Big BpG
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Crenshaw_blvd on February 16, 2002, 09:01:24 PM
"Suge is out there making moves, getting himself known, which is something that can't be said for Snoop Dogg (music wise anyways), Daz, or even Dre to a certain extent."
AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH

"About Suge.... when you talk about him, remember he's the best CEO in the rap history."  ::)
Sorry...but RUSSEL SIMMONS is the best CEO in the rap history,DEATH HOE can't fuck with Def Jam.

Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 17, 2002, 12:36:43 AM
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"Suge is out there making moves, getting himself known, which is something that can't be said for Snoop Dogg (music wise anyways), Daz, or even Dre to a certain extent."
AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH

"About Suge.... when you talk about him, remember he's the best CEO in the rap history."  ::)
Sorry...but RUSSEL SIMMONS is the best CEO in the rap history,DEATH HOE can't fuck with Def Jam.



Russel Simmons? Yeah, maybe! They both tight! Well.. different labels, different kind of labels. Gangsta vs Hip-Hop.

Btw..

(http://www.deathrow-uncut.com/DRowfamily4.jpg)

Tell me a single label with all this talent!

Not to mention, if you talk about sales, that they went platinum pratically with every album they made before they sent Suge to jail!

Well.. it's different from Def Jam. Def Jam got promotions, got NYC kids buying their cds, got MTV & BET playing their videos, they make parties like every week to promote their rappers/cds, etc..

Death Row is just gangsta! So different approach. You cant compare the two labels. Compare Death Row to DPG Records. Or to Dogghouse (even if Dogghouse is more like Def Jam, nothing Gangsta/underground in it!)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Crenshaw_blvd on February 17, 2002, 02:33:37 AM
I don't wanna compare the two labels,'cause you've said:
"About Suge.... when you talk about him, remember he's the best CEO in the rap history",i want to compare the 2 ceos.

*from the source*
-44 year old Russell simmons is past power.
Power was 10 years ago,when he was the hands-on chief of Def jam recordings,the company he founded with Rick Rubin in 1985.Now,it's about influence.After creating the prototype for a hip hop mogul-own a label(def jam),clothing company(phat farm),magazine(one world)-Simmons is on to the next level.
His d-Rush Advertising Agency boasts blue-chip clients like Coca Cola and Hbo.Simmons doesn't just hoard all these checks; his Rush Philanthropic Arts Foundation has funneled over $500.000 to programs that expose disadvantaged urban youth to the arts.His 2001 hip hop summit brought together artists like P.diddy and politicians like Rep.Cynthia Mckinney to hash out a more politically active path for rap.
He followed up witha Hip hop Action Network to make financial contributions to hip hop friendly politicians.
He even whipped down to DC to rep rap at the 2001 Congressional Black Caucus.In 2002,while continuing to reap the benefits of his various endeavors,expect Simmons to do for poetry what he did for comedy:His Hbo Russell Simmons Presents Def Poetry special will undoubtedly popularize spoken-word poetry.
The Def Jam catalog collected its ninth platinum plaque in 2001 for the Beastie Boys' License to Ill released back in 1986.
This year def jam embraced technology and concentrated on expanding their market share (29.3 in 2001).
By partnering with mp3.com they were able to promote their music on the Internet despite of the dot-com fallout.
The partnership translated into a groundbreaking joint venture with Brilliant Digital Entertainment called Digital Hip Hop that will hone in on interactive digital music videos....."

Sorry Antuan,but suge knight aint got shit on Russell Simmons.
NEVER!

"Or to Dogghouse (even if Dogghouse is more like Def Jam, nothing Gangsta/underground in it!)."U are a little bit obsessed
about Snoop and dogghouse records.Every argument/discussion,at the end....always against snoop/dogghouse with no reason.  ::)  ::)

"Tell me a single label with all this talent! "
The picture is tight....but those artist,if u didn't know,aren't anymore of Death row.

Death hoe records aint got shit on Def jam ;)








Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Crenshaw_blvd on February 17, 2002, 02:39:07 AM
About the "Dre and nate dogg thing".....dre has paid the bail for Nate dogg when he was arrested 1 year a go.
...and i'm pretty sure that when Detox drops,all the Dre haters will be on his dick again.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Lil Jay on February 17, 2002, 05:07:04 AM
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I said this a while back, but this is more proof that the balance of power has shifted from Aftermath/DoggyStyle to Tha Row.  

Suge a joke??????  Suge at least has a gameplan or idea of wht he's gonna do.  Looking at the "DPGC", that thing is dead, because as antonio mentioned, it means different things to different people.  DoggyStyle and Aftermath have not made any major move to bolster their roster.  I know some will claim "what about E-White?", and what about him?  Have you ever heard him rap?  The only thing he's done is write 2 songs for Warren G, yet I saw a post the other day claiming E-White is "great".  Snoop is the only money maker on his label, and the sad thing is that the artists on his fuckin label KNOW THAT.  Why do you think Tray Deee and Goldie Loc released or going to release underground albums?  Because they know they can make more $$$$ underground than if they released a solo album that song 100,000 max, even with videos, radio play, etc.  Look at Aftermath, The Wash soundtrack, which was supposed to be such a great album, flopped BADLY.  Dre is just tryin to build up his resume instead of making one or 2 bangin albums for people.  Nate Dogg's album flopped because his homies weren't their for him.  Why do you think Nate Dogg pimped himself out to different artists for hooks?  Nate Dogg was on a few tracks on 2001, Last Meal, and Eastsidaz, and what do Snoop and Dre do to return the favor?  One fuckin song each.  Kurupt was down with Nate, which is why Kurupt appeared on more than one song on "Music and Me".  Right now, Doggystyle is in dissaray, because the only album that is on the horizon for them is Snoop, and it'll be the only album that Doggystyles releases that sells over 500,000 copies.  Aftermath has some sort of idea, with Eminem's album coming in a couple of months.  But I have a hunch Eminem is gonna distance himself from Dre, especially since Eminem has improved himself as a producer, and probably wants to promote Shady Records and D12 and Obie Trice.  Suge has lpans at least, with Crooked I's debut album in April, and albums from Eastwood, Nina, and possible Kurupt and J. Valentine.  Once the artists get more exposure and interviews, Suge will be in the media spotlight a little less, although pretty much everyone wants a Suge Knight interview cuz when Suge speaks, everyone listens.  When Suge talks, people respond to it, bitch about it, say what a joke, etc, even when shit happens like what he said at the Summit.  Like former Chicago White Sox owner Bill Veeck said, "any publicity is good publicity", and whether you like him or not, every word you speak on Suge is giving him free publicty and people will want to check out more of what he says.



On Point. I give Suge the respect if he's makin moves and not hatin and talkin about the same thangz all the time (dre, snoop)
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 17, 2002, 05:15:33 AM
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I don't wanna compare the two labels,'cause you've said:
"About Suge.... when you talk about him, remember he's the best CEO in the rap history",i want to compare the 2 ceos.

*from the source*
-44 year old Russell simmons is past power.
Power was 10 years ago,when he was the hands-on chief of Def jam recordings,the company he founded with Rick Rubin in 1985.Now,it's about influence.After creating the prototype for a hip hop mogul-own a label(def jam),clothing company(phat farm),magazine(one world)-Simmons is on to the next level.
His d-Rush Advertising Agency boasts blue-chip clients like Coca Cola and Hbo.Simmons doesn't just hoard all these checks; his Rush Philanthropic Arts Foundation has funneled over $500.000 to programs that expose disadvantaged urban youth to the arts.His 2001 hip hop summit brought together artists like P.diddy and politicians like Rep.Cynthia Mckinney to hash out a more politically active path for rap.
He followed up witha Hip hop Action Network to make financial contributions to hip hop friendly politicians.
He even whipped down to DC to rep rap at the 2001 Congressional Black Caucus.In 2002,while continuing to reap the benefits of his various endeavors,expect Simmons to do for poetry what he did for comedy:His Hbo Russell Simmons Presents Def Poetry special will undoubtedly popularize spoken-word poetry.
The Def Jam catalog collected its ninth platinum plaque in 2001 for the Beastie Boys' License to Ill released back in 1986.
This year def jam embraced technology and concentrated on expanding their market share (29.3 in 2001).
By partnering with mp3.com they were able to promote their music on the Internet despite of the dot-com fallout.
The partnership translated into a groundbreaking joint venture with Brilliant Digital Entertainment called Digital Hip Hop that will hone in on interactive digital music videos....."

Sorry Antuan,but suge knight aint got shit on Russell Simmons.
NEVER!

"Or to Dogghouse (even if Dogghouse is more like Def Jam, nothing Gangsta/underground in it!)."U are a little bit obsessed
about Snoop and dogghouse records.Every argument/discussion,at the end....always against snoop/dogghouse with no reason.  ::)  ::)

"Tell me a single label with all this talent! "
The picture is tight....but those artist,if u didn't know,aren't anymore of Death row.

Death hoe records aint got shit on Def jam ;)











Myrealname.. i can agree with you about Russel. I said i cant compare the 2 CEOs. As persons, it's obvious that i prefeer a professionist to a gangsta. That wasnt my point. But Suge created an emperor just like Russel. Let's say Russel first and Suge second. Ok? But i dont remember Def Jam having a real impact in the rap history. I mean.. do u remember Death Row back in the days? They made an impact for real. The first label who sold millions and millions of copies with GANGSTA RAP.

Btw... everybody can say his theory, they all good. Let's make a tie, it wasnt the point of the post.


About Dogghouse, i just said it's different from Death Row now. I mean.. almost every video Snoop/Dogghouse made went to MTV/BET. They got exposure. The media likes Snoop. Etc. Death Row is more ghetto right now. It's like DPG. He's using the web a lot cause they got a lot of fans from internet, and not from BET or MTV. I didnt diss Snoop, man. I didnt diss a single guy in this post. Dont take everything personal or Snoop related. I was just trying to look at things from a different prospective. Cause it's too easy to say DPGC is dead because of Kurupt. It aint true. And 90% of us agree with it. Like i wrote, i'm not a DPG fan or DEATH ROW fan. I'm just a West Coast fan. And i was thinking about why things really went so bad from the same day DPGC left Death Row. Why they aint united no more? Why 0 albums of the DPGC? Why 0 albums of 213? And why some of em still rep DPGC or 213 or NWA when they are all dissing each others? Just for promotion?

I really think it's the end of an era. Not the end of the rappers. It's not the end of Snoop. Or Kurupt. But of an era. The DPGC era. I just wanted to talk about the real reasons. And the reason aint Suge. Or Kurupt. Cause Kurupt was with DPGC even before joining Death Row. With the results you all wrote. Nate is still repping DPGC. With the results u all wrote. Same with Daz.

WHY?
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: 4 KiN L on February 17, 2002, 08:14:58 AM
this is the first time that i am gonna say that i agree with everthing suge said in that interview...

i mean think....he is the reason kurupt came into the spotlight in the firstplace...he is the only person who was prepared to help kurupt...daz is acting like a bitch....puffy won't be on tha row killa...

and as for people checking the forums...of course they are gonna do that these days...cos as u know the biggest form of communication these days is the internet...just say someone starts off a rumour thats bad for the label...lots of different people from different hoods, states and countries are gonna pick up on that rumour and it's gonna spread fast...so those kinds of things have to be checked out!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Big BpG on February 18, 2002, 10:49:59 AM
Sorry to bring this back up, but lets face it... suge is doing what he has to do... he is a terrible business man...  but he shoves his fat face everywhere so we can never forget about the man... we always talk about him, so we never forget about him or Tha Row... to me... he is doing exactly what he did in 92... he's at it again... and once again, i feel it will all come back to him... controversy started Deathrow... controversy is Tha Row... we didn't give a hoot about them until Kurupt jumped ship... then we were like... uh oh... then we hear more rumors about Tha Row... and everyone is at it again... then Suge goes to the Hip Hop summit... disgraces the nation of Hip Hop... simply puts down everyone he can and once again he is front news headlines.... "suge said this, suge said that" ... he is getting the promotion he needs and he is doing it for free... this is Suge... he says stupid shit so we will talk about it the next day... the invisible man isn't invisible anymore...

"suge used be humble... he was the invisible man... then he decided he wanted people to know him... and deathrow started crumbling" -Snoop Dogg

as for Doggystyle/Aftermath... they are going to continue to have success... we got some major stuff to do, but what they are doing is nothing different than Tha Row... they are just being humble about it... and when the casket drops... the whole world will know... right now the west is split... we are suppose to work as a team... but it's not working...

now this is my opinion... Tha Row has one talent right now... Crooked I... they have Kurupt as well, but i dont see this controversy  taking him to stardom... we've heard kurupt millions times before... he isn't going to be a superstar now... back in the day he might have been... but now... there is too much business... kurupt won't break through as a hip hop star... Snoop will succeed with his solo(s)... his move to MCA could be significant... MCA is real good with promotion... videos and such... no more 1 video albums from Doggystyle... its sad that your image sells the game... suge knows that... thats why he is doing what he is doing... aftermath is holding its own... aftermath changes the game everytime an album drops... Knoc-Turnal will be a new success in the west... his album is top notch... a brand new sound is now on the table... this is the westcoast... the left side... shit is hectic now... but let the grain settle and the music will continue

-Big BpG
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jome on February 18, 2002, 12:17:30 PM
^On point^
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jay ay Beee on February 19, 2002, 01:37:10 AM
BPG wrote:

"Sorry to bring this back up, but lets face it... suge is doing what he has to do... he is a terrible business man...  but he shoves his fat face everywhere so we can never forget about the man... we always talk about him, so we never forget about him or Tha Row."


That is a massive, massive contradiction.  How is he a terrible businessman if you are admitting he gets publicity for himself, his artists and his label?
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 19, 2002, 01:54:00 AM
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BPG wrote:

"Sorry to bring this back up, but lets face it... suge is doing what he has to do... he is a terrible business man...  but he shoves his fat face everywhere so we can never forget about the man... we always talk about him, so we never forget about him or Tha Row."


That is a massive, massive contradiction.  How is he a terrible businessman if you are admitting he gets publicity for himself, his artists and his label?


I think he meant "terrible" as "wonderful", "extraordinary" or something like that. Cause yes, it's a contradiction if he said in as with the meaning of "bad".
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Jay ay Beee on February 20, 2002, 03:18:42 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant terrible
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: the408figga on February 20, 2002, 09:36:47 PM
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Another proof!

Daz just said in his official site that Suge fucked his own wife and that she's pregnant now.

Click here to listen to Daz saying it

http://www.dpgrecordz.com/audio/daz.ram


I dont think i have to add more. He's even dissing his own wife!!


daz is sellin nuthin but wolfe tickets, i dont believe this turkey for nothin, im lovin how he using suges tactics against him though. it aint nuthin new just like pac talkin bout fuckin faith
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Antonio on February 20, 2002, 11:12:05 PM
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daz is sellin nuthin but wolfe tickets, i dont believe this turkey for nothin, im lovin how he using suges tactics against him though. it aint nuthin new just like pac talkin bout fuckin faith


Well.. actually.. Pac said that he fucked the wife of his enemy number 1 (ex homeboy). Daz is saying that Suge fucked his wife. It's the opposite. He aint saying the he fucked Suge's wife. And even if he's saying it.. sorry Daz but nobody will trust you. One thing is Pac, one thing is you! No offence.
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Big BpG on February 21, 2002, 04:37:01 AM
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BPG wrote:

"Sorry to bring this back up, but lets face it... suge is doing what he has to do... he is a terrible business man...  but he shoves his fat face everywhere so we can never forget about the man... we always talk about him, so we never forget about him or Tha Row."


That is a massive, massive contradiction.  How is he a terrible businessman if you are admitting he gets publicity for himself, his artists and his label?


Suge doesn't know the guts of the industry... he needs to learn how to run it... all he does is cause controversy to bring our attention to tha row... thats not business... look at the old Deathrow days... how much money was lost, gained... stolen... we all know that Deathrow records was created off of drug money... business as usual.

-Big BpG
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: Crenshaw_blvd on February 21, 2002, 04:46:21 AM
"we all know that Deathrow records was created off of drug money" see=powder!
Title: Re: SUGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT DPGC
Post by: 40oz GRApHire on February 21, 2002, 05:14:39 AM
Now is the moment should join tha row... if he's out by now..