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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Mr. Humonculous on April 18, 2006, 10:01:03 PM
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You've seen our "Greatest MCs of All Time" list and thousands of you have responded. Many of you have been sending in your own lists, telling us who should and shouldn't be on there, or where you think they should be. Well, we asked some artists who would be on their lists and here are some of the on-the-spot responses they came up with.
Jay-Z
"In no particular order: Scarface, Beanie Sigel, Eminem, Nas, Big, Pac of course. Ice Cube, wow! That's seven, I'm working. ... [Im] somewhere in there!" (He laughs.)
Ice Cube
"People I like? I can take it back all the way back to Melle Mel. To [Rev] Run [of DMC], to Rakim. Ice-T he was always dope in my book. Scarface, Kool G Rap. All these people, when I heard them rhyme, made me feel like I had to get on my game. I love DMX, Jay-Z is off the hook. Snoop, Pac, Biggie. My favorite of all time is Chuck D, and I can't forget about KRS-One. Those are MCs who have made me switch a gear some time or another in my career."
Mary J. Blige
"I would start from the beginning with KRS-One, then I would go to Rakim. The reason why I put KRS-One at the top of my list is because he taught us something: Right now, no one wants to remove themselves enough to help the new generation. Songs like 'You Must Learn' and 'Self Destruction' helped us to think just a little more positively. He educated us and he loved us and he removed his selfishness enough to help us, and that's why he and Rakim are at the top of my list. I would then go to LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Black Moon, Biggie, Pac, Meth [Method Man], Jay-Z, Nas."
Nas
Of course, I put Rakim. Another dude that gives me the chills is Biggie the way he spoke it out there. Pac gave me chills. Before the controversy, his music was chilling people songs like Soulja's Story' [from 1991's 2Pacalypse Now], before people really knew about him. ... Kool G Rap, crazy. [Big Daddy] Kane. Cool J. I was digging Melle Mel, Eminem of course Eminem is crazy. Jay, of course. Jadakiss, [Brand Nubian's] Grand Puba."
Lloyd Banks
"Big Daddy Kane to me ... [When I'm rapping now,] that's the part of me that comes out if it's a party record, just from listening to what he did back in the day. You know, like 'Smooth Operator' and all that. I got a mixture: Slick Rick is more like my persona. You know, you're never going to see me do too much, jumping on the table and screaming. I've been fortunate enough to grab the attention by my lyrical content and my ability, luckily. You had people like Kool G Rap, LL Cool J he's from Queens and of course 50, too. That's probably my ultimate influence, 'cause he grew up right around the corner from me. ... Biggie definitely Biggie. If I could put Big up there twice, [I would]. And Pac."
Grandmaster Flash
"If you go back to certain eras, some of the greatest MCs from era one, I would say, are Kool Moe Dee, Melle Mel. Era two, Chuck D, LL Cool J, Rakim. Then you have your Biggies, Jay-Z. For there to be one greatest MC of all time, I think, is totally ludicrous no pun intended! What makes a great MC to me, [for one,] is live performance you have to be able to control the environment of a venue; take an audience from a state of inertia to a straight-up state of pandemonium. Then wordplay: what's said and how it's said. I also admire how they treat people when they're not rapping. Great people are humble people, because the gift ain't yours. It's the will of God, you just happen to be the best. The great ones are kinda humble to the people that made them who they are."
Jermaine Dupri
"Big. Jay, of course. Nas. Rakim. Snoop Dogg. Mos Def. Man, there's so many. Tupac's gotta be on there. LL Cool J. Big Daddy Kane. Those are probably the ones I could think of off the top. My [criteria] of the top 10 rappers would be, who changed the scene when they came out? Who impacted the game so much [that you saw] others try to talk like them, be like them? Rakim had to be the most lyrical dude when he came out. His influences transcended to Nas, who used to talk about Rakim when he did interviews. When your talents go into somebody else, that's when you the best. Tupac, damn near everybody stole from him, so he's got to be the best. I don't know anybody who doesn't have any kind of Tupac reference in their records, whether it be 50, Master P, Jay redid a Tupac song. Everybody got a little bit of Pac in them. When you somebody who touches the whole community like that, you gotta be the best."
Big Daddy Kane
"My man Bumpy Knuckles, for one. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie. I thought Biggie had a different way of putting words together. He was different."
Rakim
"We looking at people I respect. Jay. Nas the first time I heard him was the 'Halftime' joint. It was just refreshing to hear not only rappers who was out, but up-and-coming rappers was being more conscious and lyrical and still raw and from the 'hood. I always respected Nas. He was always a lyricist, and I always respect a true lyricist. Me and Nas got a rapport, we go back. He used to come up to Power Play Studios [located not far from Nas' home base in the Queensbridge neighborhood of New York City] when I was working on my early albums. Watching him grow, and having respect for him and getting respect from him, is a beautiful thing. ... Eminem. My man Kool Moe Dee. Melle Mel. KRS-One. Kool G Rap. Then, I can't front, back in the day, I was feeling people like [Brand Nubian's] Sadat X. I feel different people for different things, and Sadat came with his own style. I don't care if he only had 16 bars, he would say his 16 bars like, 'You gonna feel this.' There's a lot of people I love Biggie. I'll leave it at that."
50 Cent
"I remember hearing [Rakim's] music way back Paid in Full. I mean, Rakim was way ahead of his time when he came out. To me, him and KRS-One were the best rappers. He was able to stay street-orientated while maintaining being intelligent. He was a Five Percenter [a member of the Five Percent Nation, a black religious and social group founded in the late 1960s], he would add that to his music. The music just sounded really intelligent, with some of the terminology that they used. They studied their lessons so they speak a certain way, and they were able to put it into his music and make him appear a lot more intelligent than the other artists that were out there just rappin'. Everything about [Rakim], his whole swagger he gave birth to Nas, damn near. Nas is dope, [too]."
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index15.jhtml
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dope post.
it's good to see some of the greats mentioning scarface
and for all the jay-z haters - it's even better to see almost every single one of them mentioning jay :)
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
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thats why East>>>>West
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
c'mon for christ sakes, thats the lamest fuckin excuse... why cant you guys just admit jay got skill and hes a dope rapper....
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if jay-z as from cali you would make him god.
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I just don't like Jay-Z's voice and that's that.
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jay is the ish, glad he gets good respect from other rappers
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Jay-Z sucks, I can't believe the dude still has fans.
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Jay-Z is prolly the biggest hit or miss rapper in history. 1 of his verses can be some mind blowing shit and the next verse on the song can sound like something Memph Bleek would come up with ;D
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Ice Cube and Mary had the best lists.
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you gotta love banks putting 50 in amongst the greats :laugh:
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you gotta love banks putting 50 in amongst the greats :laugh:
LMAO!
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you gotta love banks putting 50 in amongst the greats :laugh:
LMAO!
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
Shit, what about your boy Ice Cube? And I can guarantee if you ask some of the big rappers from the west they'd put Jay among the best as well, give the dude some respect
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Not official without Killa Cam.
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
Shit, what about your boy Ice Cube? And I can guarantee if you ask some of the big rappers from the west they'd put Jay among the best as well, give the dude some respect
^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
c'mon for christ sakes, thats the lamest fuckin excuse... why cant you guys just admit jay got skill and hes a dope rapper....
let's put it this way. I have 6 Jay-Z cd's. That means I love his music, cause otherwise I wouldn't buy 6 ORIGINAl cd's from a rapper. Yeah, Jay got skills and yes jay is a dope rapper. But he is just above average and I can name easily 10 - 20 mc's that I like more or are lyrically better.
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well, do it man, name 10 artists that you think are better than jay-z
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
Shit, what about your boy Ice Cube? And I can guarantee if you ask some of the big rappers from the west they'd put Jay among the best as well, give the dude some respect
^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
c'mon for christ sakes, thats the lamest fuckin excuse... why cant you guys just admit jay got skill and hes a dope rapper....
let's put it this way. I have 6 Jay-Z cd's. That means I love his music, cause otherwise I wouldn't buy 6 ORIGINAl cd's from a rapper. Yeah, Jay got skills and yes jay is a dope rapper. But he is just above average and I can name easily 10 - 20 mc's that I like more or are lyrically better.
ice cube and jd the two non east coast cats both mention jay so your theory is shot, i dont care if you own his albums give the man his due.
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Who says everything Cube or JD says is true?
Besides, it isn't called an OPINION for nothing. I don't like Jay-Z either and you can tell me that is wrong but it won't change my opinion and I bet it won't change Fressh_Deini's opinion either.
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Good read, and Jay-Z is overrated.
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Ice Cube
"Jay-Z is off the hook."
Mary J. Blige
"I would then go to LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Black Moon, Biggie, Pac, Meth [Method Man], Jay-Z, Nas."
Nas
"Jay, of course."
Grandmaster Flash
"Then you have your Biggies, Jay-Z."
Jermaine Dupri
"Big. Jay, of course."
Big Daddy Kane
"Rakim, Kool G Rap, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie."
Rakim
"We looking at people I respect. Jay."
Yet the Jay-Z bashing continues...give it up.
Surely if those greats have those words to say about him and the people they place him beside - he is worthy of praise from everyone else.
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Ice Cube
"Jay-Z is off the hook."
Mary J. Blige
"I would then go to LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Black Moon, Biggie, Pac, Meth [Method Man], Jay-Z, Nas."
Nas
"Jay, of course."
Grandmaster Flash
"Then you have your Biggies, Jay-Z."
Jermaine Dupri
"Big. Jay, of course."
Big Daddy Kane
"Rakim, Kool G Rap, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie."
Rakim
"We looking at people I respect. Jay."
Yet the Jay-Z bashing continues...give it up.
Surely if those greats have those words to say about him and the people they place him beside - he is worthy of praise from everyone else.
So?
That's their opinion and I have mine. I don't like his music that much and I think he is overrated. Deal with it.
I could list 10 emcees that are better than he is, I can even do better.
Chuck D
Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
2pac
Ice Cube
Slick Rick
Krs-One
Redman
Ras Kass
Kool G Rap
Pharoahe Monch
Pos D'Nous
Andre 3000
Big Boi
Ghostface Killah
Scarface
Notorious BIG
Common
Nas
Kam
Xzibit
There you go, 20 emcees better than Jay. Most of them are from NY so there goes the New York bias argument. Jay-Z is a good rapper but GOAT? No.
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what is the big fuckin deal with Jay-Z?
people need to stop kissing his ass just cuz he has money, dude obviously isn't a GOAT
ya "he can rap" blah blah we've heard it, point is - GOAT = no fuckin way
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wow, no Redman? .... :grumpy:
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So?
SO??
So you're just gonna overlook the opinions of some of the people who made rap what it is!
People like Rakim.
I hold "The original God MC's" i.e. Rakim's opinion higher than most people on this board.
I'm not saying whatever he says goes.
But when it comes to rap 99% of the time he is right.
So for you or anyone to completely disregard what he says just because of a personal opinion is ignorant to the highest degree.
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So for you or anyone to completely disregard what he says just because of a personal opinion is ignorant to the highest degree.
isn't that what you're doing to Juronimo?
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So for you or anyone to completely disregard what he says just because of a personal opinion is ignorant to the highest degree.
isn't that what you're doing to Juronimo?
nope
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I think so man....
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I think so man....
you just disregarded what i said
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wow, no Redman? .... :grumpy:
For real, Redman is his prime was unfuckwittable.
Whut the Album and Dare is a Darkside > Reasonable Doubt
Back to the argument at hand.
I respect every one of the originators, I respect their opinions. I disagree on that part. To put Jay-Z with the elites of hip hop emcees to me is baffling. I don't see what makes him an elite. I'm not saying he sucks but to be considered an elite, you have to have something special. Your music should mean something. It's not enough just to have talent, your music should make some sort of difference. Jay-Z's name to fame is bragging about his money and bragging about drug dealing with some half hearted attempts to be conscious. I've never felt him from jump. If that's your cup of tea, cool, if it's their cup of tea cool but it's not mine.
Compare that to people like Krs, Chuck, Pac, Cube, Scarface, Nas, their music meant something. They were saying something. It made a difference.
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^^ Cause most of them are from NY. Jay-z is a good rapper, but just above average and not at the top. Believe me.
c'mon for christ sakes, thats the lamest fuckin excuse... why cant you guys just admit jay got skill and hes a dope rapper....
He does have skills and he is a dope rapper, bet he is still overrated.
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jay z is a real good mc. some of his verses r just straight up sick and he does have some nasty one liners but i wouldnt say he is the GOAT. never. but i would still give im his props as he has put out some great music and was one of the best rappers in the game in his prime.
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its obvious that their only aiming for overrated commercialized mcs....half if not most of these dudes arent the greatest...cuz there is and was underrated and underground rappers that are and were better than most mcs they said....redman aint on it cuz he nevr went platinum....
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Nice to see Snoop get mentioned 8)
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how the fuck they gonna leave G Rap out? if you seriously think that Jay is better then G Rap you need to get slapped back to reality.
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jay is top 5...no question...
other mc's excel in certain aspects of the art...jay excels in pretty much all of them...
content=when he wants to....
flow=pretty unfuckwitable...
rhyme scheme=he has sooo many
metas=jays wordplay is disgustin
diss tracks=takeover was lyrical assasination..an imma biiiiiiggg nas fan...but dat 1 verse @ nas.... :o
longetivity=8 or so albums...still kept his respect in the game as well as mainstream...
ya dont have to like him..but give dun his dues
jay passes any test of an emcee wit flyin colours...
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how the fuck they gonna leave G Rap out? if you seriously think that Jay is better then G Rap you need to get slapped back to reality.
Excatly, people always mention Jay but forget about G Rap, that's, I don't know, disrespectful.
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content=when he wants to....
...but then most of the time he doesn't
flow=pretty unfuckwitable...
That's your opinion,but I don't agree
rhyme scheme=he has sooo many
He can take that one
metas=jays wordplay is disgustin
Too bad his voice is horrible
diss tracks=takeover was lyrical assasination..an imma biiiiiiggg nas fan...but dat 1 verse @ nas.... :o
Can be.
longetivity=8 or so albums...still kept his respect in the game as well as mainstream...
That doesn't have to say much. I could make 8 horrible albums and as long as people buy it and I have a loyal (if small) fanbase, I could claim the same
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its obvious that their only aiming for overrated commercialized mcs....half if not most of these dudes arent the greatest...cuz there is and was underrated and underground rappers that are and were better than most mcs they said....redman aint on it cuz he nevr went platinum....
Doc's Da Name and Blackout went platinum.
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Longetivity? 1996 - 2003...uhm that is 7 years. Most MC's are in the game waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer. Too Sheezy 21 years, LL 21 years, Ice Cube 17 years?? etc. etc.
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Longetivity? 1996 - 2003...uhm that is 7 years. Most MC's are in the game waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer. Too Sheezy 21 years, LL 21 years, Ice Cube 17 years?? etc. etc.
with his success?
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Longetivity? 1996 - 2003...uhm that is 7 years. Most MC's are in the game waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer. Too Sheezy 21 years, LL 21 years, Ice Cube 17 years?? etc. etc.
most emcees are actually in the game for like 2 years, great emcees are in the game and on top for that long. Ice Cube's true career was from 1988 to 1994, with 1996 to 2006 being more of an actor who drops albums sometimes.
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flow=pretty unfuckwitable...
how do u sleep at night?
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no ones saying Jay-Z is garbage hes far from it he's made some great music but nothing has great as any of the other rappers mentioned,his influence is from the things hes done outside of rap(label,clothes,armendale etc.) he shouldnt crack any top 15 list imo def a top 20 list though
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wow jay-s is gettin ether'd again in this thread .... #1 overated MC of all time
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*Agrees with everything Juronimo says*
Redman/Method Man/Ghostface/Raekwon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay
And no1 mentions either one of em besides MJB i dont think......
But its all personal opinion i could sit and listen to Redman, Cube, Snoop, Pac, Rakim accapellas all ,day long but i just couldnt do it with Jay. Unless he got a bangin beat i just dont feel him, his voice is boring and annoying, his lyrical content is pretty much non existant as he has been rapping bout the same shit all his career.
Not 2 mention he said "Too much westcoast dick licking" and he absolutly shit all over a 2pac song which should hav been left completely as 2pac wasnt even talkin bout a bitch he was tlakin bout a gun.
And all this "the best rapper alive since the best rapper retired" is just nonsense, never at any point in his career do i think Jay was the best.
NOt 2 mention he aint fuckin wit Killa......... 8)
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its fucked up yall got me arguin on jays behalf cus im not even a massive fan..
but snoop should be in there on the basis he used to have a pretty nice flow....an dre gave em beats...
west coast board...makes sense i suppose....
jay got where he is with no major label pushin him...helpin with his image etc...
i find where jays concerned....people who write lyrics or whatver tend to appreciate his skills alot more dan people who dont....
ooooo an jays flow not bein nice...
"my 1st song"
"big pimpn"
"welcome to NYC"<<<<<<<<<<pretty much ethers cams attempt at beef...witout respondin
theres loads....
content....."song cry"...."heart of da city"....
plus theres a handful of mc's could school 3 legends in their own right(nas,mobb deep) on 1 song...jay did it...
u may found his voice annoyin..but i could use dat to dismiss any arguement bout the best emcee...
like fuck big..i found the fact he overweight annoyin...
it dosent take away from his actual skills...
an i didnt even bring the fact he dosent write his rhymes down lol...
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its fucked up yall got me arguin on jays behalf cus im not even a massive fan..
but snoop should be in there on the basis he used to have a pretty nice flow....an dre gave em beats...
west coast board...makes sense i suppose....
jay got where he is with no major label pushin him...helpin with his image etc...
i find where jays concerned....people who write lyrics or whatver tend to appreciate his skills alot more dan people who dont....
ooooo an jays flow not bein nice...
"my 1st song"
"big pimpn"
"welcome to NYC"<<<<<<<<<<pretty much ethers cams attempt at beef...witout respondin
theres loads....
content....."song cry"...."heart of da city"....
plus theres a handful of mc's could school 3 legends in their own right(nas,mobb deep) on 1 song...jay did it...
u may found his voice annoyin..but i could use dat to dismiss any arguement bout the best emcee...
like fuck big..i found the fact he overweight annoyin...
it dosent take away from his actual skills...
an i didnt even bring the fact he dosent write his rhymes down lol...
Yeh he just steals them ::)
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Listening to a fat rapper does not hurt my listenerspleasure...it does hurt that pleasure when the guy has an annoying voice a la Jay-Z. And getting there without someone pushing him does not make him a better rapper.
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Listening to a fat rapper does not hurt my listenerspleasure...it does hurt that pleasure when the guy has an annoying voice a la Jay-Z. And getting there without someone pushing him does not make him a better rapper.
no...it just means he didnt have his image molded by a bunch of PR men to cater to your age group...
an who wants to heard sum fat ass rappa gaspn 4 breath between words... ;D
nah fair play mate...its ur opinion...jus to me jay is easil top 5...
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I agree wiht most of those, except Jigga.
I would rate most members of the Wu above him.