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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: WestCoasta on May 16, 2006, 03:33:42 PM
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religion being used in politics?
I think it's bullshit
if u can't teach religion in a public school, then you should not speak through religion and use law-making based on religion and try to push for votes based on your religious beliefs, and using religion instead of common sense
i.e. - abortion, gay marriage, abstinence
in my opinion it's an act against humanity to publicly use it
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There are many factors that shape what our political beliefs are. You can't say you are not allowed to use this aspect or that aspect when determining a law, political view, etc. It's no diffrent then somebody shaping their political beliefs on moral grounds, intelicual grounds, etc. Religon is just such a part of who a lot of people are.
if u can't teach religion in a public school, then you should not speak through religion and use law-making based on religion and try to push for votes based on your religious beliefs, and using religion instead of common sense
Unfortuantly common sence has nothing to do with politics these days.
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I'm talking about people USING it
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if u can't teach religion in a public school, then you should not speak through religion and use law-making based on religion and try to push for votes based on your religious beliefs, and using religion instead of common sense
i.e. - abortion, gay marriage, abstinence
in my opinion it's an act against humanity to publicly use it
Doesn't that take away from the 1st amendment?
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if u can't teach religion in a public school, then you should not speak through religion and use law-making based on religion and try to push for votes based on your religious beliefs, and using religion instead of common sense
i.e. - abortion, gay marriage, abstinence
in my opinion it's an act against humanity to publicly use it
Doesn't that take away from the 1st amendment?
let me use the gay marriage issue for this argument
so you're gonna tell me it's not against humanity to to TELL 2 people how to live their lives?
in politics there are people who believe that God did not want to have 2 people of the same sex exchange vows
first of all everyone might not believe how they do, and how come them saying it's wrong to do is the the law?
if these people are going to be spending time alone with each other, and more than likely LIVING together - where is it's someone's business to tell them that they CAN'T get legally married? as if these people making the laws were somewhat "worried" about these other peoples living situations, they're the gay ones if u ask me
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religion being used in politics?
I think it's bullshit
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so you're gonna tell me it's not against humanity to to TELL 2 people how to live their lives?
If it's a crime against humanity to tell people how to live their lives, then it's a crime against humanity to have governemnt.
let me use the gay marriage issue for this argument
so you're gonna tell me it's not against humanity to to TELL 2 people how to live their lives?
in politics there are people who believe that God did not want to have 2 people of the same sex exchange vows
first of all everyone might not believe how they do, and how come them saying it's wrong to do is the the law?
if these people are going to be spending time alone with each other, and more than likely LIVING together - where is it's someone's business to tell them that they CAN'T get legally married? as if these people making the laws were somewhat "worried" about these other peoples living situations, they're the gay ones if u ask me
That's true. But are you saying that it is okay to have a political view as long as it isn't influenced by religon? But it's the same as someone who doesn't beiilive in gay marriage because that's how they were raised or because they were raped by another man. In the end everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of how they came about it.
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All you really need to do is look at the nations that have the most religious influence on government and see how theyre livin. The whole middle east is at war 24/7. 3rd world nations who form any inkling of democracy around whatever kooky religion they got often never rise above killing infidels in the middle of their shitty ass little town. it may help ppl on an individual case, but religious views and laws applied to a democratic society always results in violent turmoil; or to the opposite, watered down religion (like America)
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If it's a crime against humanity to tell people how to live their lives, then it's a crime against humanity to have governemnt.
damn i like that
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If it's a crime against humanity to tell people how to live their lives, then it's a crime against humanity to have governemnt.
shit I'm not gonna say u don't have a point there, but we both know that if there was no govt (as shady as they can be) the world would be in shambles
That's true. But are you saying that it is okay to have a political view as long as it isn't influenced by religon? But it's the same as someone who doesn't beiilive in gay marriage because that's how they were raised or because they were raped by another man. In the end everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of how they came about it.
exactly, u just proved my point, if ur gonna use religion in THAT manner about the gay marriage laws, then why ARENT the gays and lesbians able to do if their opinion and belief is so validated?
I have a feeling ur taking this as a personal attack on religion, I'm just trying to prove that using religion in politics and pushing it to persuade votes and in some cases it IS taking away peoples rights
if someone wants an abortion, why can SOMEONE ELSE tell them they can't?
that's what some people wanna do, some people want to ban abortions.... and saying God doesn't want abortions because that's your belief is selfish as can be.... these weirdos for some reason want unwanted children in this world to bring more chaos with less morals
and I find it hilarious how most people who claim to live the religious way are complete dirtbags when it comes down to being a human being
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I agree with West Coast. Bush uses "God" in sentences like its a fucking comma. To many people, all a political leader has to do is say "God bless us all" and they will blindly support him because they have been fooled to believe it's the president's divine right. Wasn't America supposedly founded by individuals who were persecuted for their religious beliefs?
We supposedly have separation of church and state, but God's ass pops up everywhere within a legal / judicial system. "In God we trust", "One Nation Under God" (I prefer One nation under a groove), legitimizing testimony by swearing on the bible. It's all a way to prey on the ignorant.
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religion being used in politics?
I think it's bullshit
if u can't teach religion in a public school, then you should not speak through religion and use law-making based on religion and try to push for votes based on your religious beliefs, and using religion instead of common sense
i.e. - abortion, gay marriage, abstinence
in my opinion it's an act against humanity to publicly use it
You can make strong arguements against abortion and gay marriage and in favor of abstinence without ever mentioning God or religion. Most people I know make sound, rational arguements regarding those issues without resorting to saying something like "because the Bible says so".
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If it's a crime against humanity to tell people how to live their lives, then it's a crime against humanity to have governemnt.
shit I'm not gonna say u don't have a point there, but we both know that if there was no govt (as shady as they can be) the world would be in shambles
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :P
That's true. But are you saying that it is okay to have a political view as long as it isn't influenced by religon? But it's the same as someone who doesn't beiilive in gay marriage because that's how they were raised or because they were raped by another man. In the end everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of how they came about it.
exactly, u just proved my point, if ur gonna use religion in THAT manner about the gay marriage laws, then why ARENT the gays and lesbians able to do if their opinion and belief is so validated?
I'm not even argueing the issue of gay marrige (I'm undecided/indiffrent on the subject). I'm just saying religon is the same as any other bias.
if someone wants an abortion, why can SOMEONE ELSE tell them they can't?
that's what some people wanna do, some people want to ban abortions.... and saying God doesn't want abortions because that's your belief is selfish as can be.... these weirdos for some reason want unwanted children in this world to bring more chaos with less morals
Actually I think this issue has more to do with the overall aspect of murder (but religon does play its role).
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It's all a way to prey on the ignorant.
one time I saw a show on TV "Off to War" on one of the Discovery channels with a soldier who was visiting his mom from Iraq
they were watching a presidential debate between Bush and Kerry together at home
the soldier was sayin home dumb Bush is that first-hand he can say how meaningless the war is and that men are just dying overseas for nothing
and then his mother says when asked about Bush - "I voted for Bush... mainly because he shares most the same religious beliefs as I do."
so, great, you got a weirdo who's son was in Iraq and her own son tells her how terrible the whole situation is
and this bitch, probably too dumb to listen to actual debates regarding our well-being, chooses to vote for Bush even though she doesn't know what he's talking about.... talk about a smart person
victory - George Bush
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i think its the people decision,if the majority of americans want gay marriages let them have it.in the middle east people will take koran as a constituation over any western law.its thier decision.
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Regardless of where i stand on those topics you just mentioned and several others to, I don't believe that people have to leave their religious beliefs outside of politics, its what makes them, its part of their principles with someone who has been raised in a religious family then its a part of their moral makeup. For the record I am not religious, I have a belief in god but I don't follow any religious teachings I have my own opinions on what you mentioned. However to say that people should not have the right to bring their religious beliefs into politics is trampling all over free speech. I am sure there are many issues that I passionately disagree with you over and I am sure it is the same for many other people to but at the end of the day there are good people and there are those that are twisted or just downright foul people.
Besides which the religious side of things in american policics is all just a front, those are fake christians, my only point in favour of what you are saying is that people should think for themselves to, not simply quote from whichever passage in the bible they have heard or verse in the quaran they have read.
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it's difficult to say that though isn't it someone with a religious upbringing their views will have been influenced by the teachings and by the experiences of church so naturally their religious beliefs will form an integral part of their moral beliefs
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I said these people shouldn't exploit and use religion as a crutch when it IS NOT RELATED to some topics
I didn't say they didn't have the right, the right they are using is WRONG is what I am saying, and it isn't fair
I want someone to answer me without bringing up "free speech" which doesn't pertain to this
I'm talking about the issues I mentioned in the first post
all the examples I used of how it is wrong to include religion in some subjects that determine things for others is right
and is it just me or do people realize AMERICA is a country of diversity and different religions? why are we representing only one?
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i see we are going to disagree on this and will probably make no headway but to a religious family, religion will play a part in all topics like i said someone who has raised around religion their moral values will have been greatly influenced by religion so regardless of what topic, it will have relevance to them is what im saying.
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okay, so it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong
if your religious, go by the book, regardless how you as a person feel
yikes!
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i am saying that how someone feels will have been influenced by their surroundings if someone is brought up in a religious family then it will have influenced their feelings from a young age. I am not talking about drones i am talking about someone who has their own mind but whose feelings will be influenced by their religious beliefs. Plus its only right or wrong in your eyes and i am not going into it as we both understand the fundamentals of it but you mentioned religion well i am against abortion on most grounds but you are obviously arguing the opposite, contentious issues but its just how each individual sees the world.
However you could mention something like war, when in fact whilst its true that religious people can be fighting war in the name of god athiests can be just as bad and champion wars because they think they are a good thing. Basically i think religion is being made the scapegoat for a lot of ills. Look at your government look at my government they are the true danger not religion.
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well man, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree, that's for sure
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agreed 8)
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There is a seperation of church and state, but that doesn't mean that nobody's allowed to practice religion. The President's policies are shaped by his religion, just like YOURS are. Your religion is that you worship yourself and don't believe in God. Athiesm is a religion. Every person has a religious aspect to their personality, and that helps shape their beliefs.
Also, the united states was founded as one nation, UNDER GOD. Deal with it.
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i think its the people decision,if the majority of americans want gay marriages let them have it.in the middle east people will take koran as a constituation over any western law.its thier decision.
We have a representative democracy, the president and congress are elected by the people to represent them. The country isn't ran by polls, it's ran by representatives elected by the people.
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okay, so it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong
if your religious, go by the book, regardless how you as a person feel
yikes!
You make decisions yourself based on YOUR religion. You don't believe in God... so as you're putting it above, you want anything that has anything to do with God struck out of the country's politics.
Whereas Bush is practicing what he preaches (Literally) and talking about tolerance to other religions, you're practicing your religion of not believing in God...and insisting that everyone act as you do.
LOL you're a fucking hypocrite.