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Nas Drops New LP In September, Declares Hip-Hop Dead
Last night (5/18) Nas graced the stage at New York's Radio City Music Hall, capping off his short set by announcing plans to release his next album this September.
"I'm working hard for y'all, I got an album coming out in September," Nas told the crowd.
The Queens-bred MC, who recently signed to Def Jam, was a guest performer for new labelmates The Roots, during the first night of their two day performance at Radio City. Last night's show also featured Common, Talib Kweli and Big Daddy Kane. Comedian Dave Chappelle briefly graced the stage as well. The Roots second show is scheduled for tonight (5/19) with Erykah Badu, Mos Def, J.Davey and African singer Angelique Kidjo also performing.
Nas' September release, titled Hip-Hop is Dead, will be the first of two albums jointly marketed by Def Jam and Nas' previous label, Columbia. Nas and Def Jam president Jay-Z announced they'd deaded their beef at Jay-Z's "I Declare War" concert last October and in January the two furthered their relationship when Nas joined the Def Jam roster. With their partnership solidified Jay-Z has even raised the possibility that he might make a guest appearance on the new Nas release.
Hip Hop is Dead will be Nas' follow-up to 2004's Streets Disciple which sold some 694,000 copies according to Nielsen Soundscan. Billboard.com has also reported that Black Eyed Peas member will.i.am is also scheduled to record with Nas for the new project.
In related news, The Roots are also preparing their new Def Jam debut Game Theory, which is scheduled to be released late Summer 2006. Their first single "Don't Feel Right" dropped earlier this month.
http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/9018
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny.... and no salamm remi either. How many titles has this album had so far.... the jones experience, nasdaq down jones, nigger, and now this one.
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny...
I hope he has some on there and then you'll feel like a dick when it's the tightest shit u've ever heard :D
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This fall should be a great time, Ill have some new Outkast, new Nas...thats enough for me...
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lol at will i am
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lol at will i am
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny...
I hope he has some on there and then you'll feel like a dick when it's the tightest shit u've ever heard :D
nah I like quik hes a top 5 producer and hes >>> dre but I want this album to be strictly ny b/c thats what ny really needs.
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lol @ deaded & will.i.gay
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny...
I hope he has some on there and then you'll feel like a dick when it's the tightest shit u've ever heard :D
nah I like quik hes a top 5 producer and hes >>> dre but I want this album to be strictly ny b/c thats what ny really needs.
I respect that and kinda agree.... I do think areas need to be clickin back up again in their respective regions
still wanna hear a Quik and Nas collabo tho, would be crazy
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will.i.am helped kill helped kill hip hop.
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The Roots second show is scheduled for tonight (5/19) with Erykah Badu, Mos Def, J.Davey and African singer Angelique Kidjo also performing.
haha wasnt nas the one that called roots porch monkeys or something. welll anyways, look out for J. Davey. theres a good chance that my label is going to be signing them soon.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
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What the fuck is with these negative, pessimistic-sounding album titles? I don't consider it a good sign when I hear artists just complaining about how bad hip-hop is instead of working to improve it. Not that it'll have an effect on the music (I hope), but it's just stupid and lame...not to mention the fact that the album is out on Def Jam (the same label which made Young Jeezy a star) makes it hypocritical.
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny.... and no salamm remi either. How many titles has this album had so far.... the jones experience, nasdaq down jones, nigger, and now this one.
he was going to title one of his albums "Nigger"?
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What the fuck is with these negative, pessimistic-sounding album titles? I don't consider it a good sign when I hear artists just complaining about how bad hip-hop is instead of working to improve it. Not that it'll have an effect on the music (I hope), but it's just stupid and lame...not to mention the fact that the album is out on Def Jam (the same label which made Young Jeezy a star) makes it hypocritical.
eat some white man cock
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What the fuck is with these negative, pessimistic-sounding album titles? I don't consider it a good sign when I hear artists just complaining about how bad hip-hop is instead of working to improve it. Not that it'll have an effect on the music (I hope), but it's just stupid and lame...not to mention the fact that the album is out on Def Jam (the same label which made Young Jeezy a star) makes it hypocritical.
eat some white man cock
LOL, where'd that come from? I don't even know your busta ass, nigga.
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny.... and no salamm remi either. How many titles has this album had so far.... the jones experience, nasdaq down jones, nigger, and now this one.
he was going to title one of his albums "Nigger"?
this album
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All I gotta say is Premo.
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What the fuck is with these negative, pessimistic-sounding album titles? I don't consider it a good sign when I hear artists just complaining about how bad hip-hop is instead of working to improve it. Not that it'll have an effect on the music (I hope), but it's just stupid and lame...not to mention the fact that the album is out on Def Jam (the same label which made Young Jeezy a star) makes it hypocritical.
eat some white man cock
LOL, where'd that come from? I don't even know your busta ass, nigga.
I'm the almighty white man, you know exactly who I am
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I'm the almighty white man, you know exactly who I am
Yeah, all the better reason why I don't need to give a fuck about you. I know plenty of white people, so I don't need to give a shit about another one getting butt-hurt because of a joke I played on Infinite and Real American with my profile.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
LoL, for real, the irony.. seems like Nas wants to put the last nail in the coffin, expect Kelis on some tracks as well.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
LoL, for real, the irony.. seems like Nas wants to put the last nail in the coffin, expect Kelis on some tracks as well.
You shouldn't be bitter cuz your idols M.O.P. and Mobb Deep signed to G-Unit. Nas had Kelis on that "American Way" song on Street's Disciple, and it was a dope song. Conscious raps, Q-Tip prodcution, classic atomic dog sample.
I agree that Nas should keep it strictly NY. But whats wrong with Salaam Remi? He's dropped some good shit for Nas in the past, and thats the producer I most associate with Nas these days. Be dope to get Primo, Q-Tip, Large Pro, Slick Rick but that prolly won't be happening. I'm pretty sure we'll see Just Blaze and Kanye pop up. That isn't a bad thing, but it just seems predictable.
Nas and Jay have an opportunity to make a classic record here, but I'm not 100% they're going to execute. Having said that, it's still one of my most anticipated hip hop records this year, and I'm buying it when it drops.
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he needs some fire young jeezy ad-libs to spice up production
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
Quik and Nas together??? :o
I can't even imagine what thatz goin' to sound like hope Quik endz up producin' something on tha album that should be really interesting!!
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What the fuck is with these negative, pessimistic-sounding album titles? I don't consider it a good sign when I hear artists just complaining about how bad hip-hop is instead of working to improve it. Not that it'll have an effect on the music (I hope), but it's just stupid and lame...not to mention the fact that the album is out on Def Jam (the same label which made Young Jeezy a star) makes it hypocritical.
I agree instead of just rambling on about what state hip hop iz in and down playin' tha South, rapperz who are complainin' should work and try to change what they think iz wrong with tha music!
And I hope Hip Hop Is Dead iz not tha final title for tha album... :(
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Yeah hip hop is dead. A Quik/Nas collabo could bring it back though.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
Exactly. Lets hope he has lots of Kanye and Just Blaze there and of course DJ Premier !
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You shouldn't be bitter cuz your idols M.O.P. and Mobb Deep signed to G-Unit. Nas had Kelis on that "American Way" song on Street's Disciple, and it was a dope song. Conscious raps, Q-Tip prodcution, classic atomic dog sample.
I agree that Nas should keep it strictly NY. But whats wrong with Salaam Remi? He's dropped some good shit for Nas in the past, and thats the producer I most associate with Nas these days. Be dope to get Primo, Q-Tip, Large Pro, Slick Rick but that prolly won't be happening. I'm pretty sure we'll see Just Blaze and Kanye pop up. That isn't a bad thing, but it just seems predictable.
Nas and Jay have an opportunity to make a classic record here, but I'm not 100% they're going to execute. Having said that, it's still one of my most anticipated hip hop records this year, and I'm buying it when it drops.
What the fuck is you talking about, I was commenting on Will I Am's presence on a LP called "Hiphop is dead", and the irony of that, not the wackness of Blood Money.
Will I Am should be perm banned from hiphop after "My Humps" and that garbage with Pussycat Dolls, now he's fucking up Busta & Nas albums as well ?
Fuck outta here.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
it suits him, he's one of the reasons, although his productions are tite sometimes
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
it suits him, he's one of the reasons, although his productions are tite sometimes
Actually, BEP used to be really dope before they put out "Elephunk". People seem to forget that. It was really only when that fugly skank Fergie came in that they started becoming a hip-pop/crap group. If Will.I.Am doesn't do the same kind of shit he's done on the last two BEP albums, I'd be fine with him working with Nas.
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I don't know about u fags but I put Will I Am and Kanye West in the same fuckin category
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Nas does have a point though... Hip Hop Is Dead. I love the title. It's perfect, because Nas represents what hip-hop used to be (although he's fallen off a little bit himself).
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
it suits him, he's one of the reasons, although his productions are tite sometimes
Actually, BEP used to be really dope before they put out "Elephunk". People seem to forget that. It was really only when that fugly skank Fergie came in that they started before a hip-pop/crap group. If Will.I.Am doesn't do the same kind of shit he's done on the last two BEP albums, I'd be fine with him working with Nas.
Yup, I find it funny that BEPs best song since Fergie joined the group is Like That a song that she's not even on. I'd gladly buy another BEP album it all the songs didn't feature her and were as dope as that song.
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Also, does anyone know if Quan's gonna be on this album? I sure hope so.
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Nas does have a point though... Hip Hop Is Dead. I love the title. It's perfect, because Nas represents what hip-hop used to be (although he's fallen off a little bit himself).
wow you think nas has fallen off? if he has then who hasnt in your world
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my thoughts on this:
I'm tired of artists complaining about how much hip hop sucks right now. Do your part and change things, instead of complaining about how everything sucks nowadays.
I have no problem with Will I Am on the album. BEP used to be tight a few years ago.
Jay-Z's involvement makes me somewhat concerned. I hope Nas doesn't sacrifice his artistic integrity with this album.
As much as I would love a Quik/Nas collab, the album should have a New York sound, IMO.
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An album called 'Hip Hop Is Dead' featuring Will. I. Am. :eh: :grumpy:
LoL, for real, the irony.. seems like Nas wants to put the last nail in the coffin, expect Kelis on some tracks as well.
You shouldn't be bitter cuz your idols M.O.P. and Mobb Deep signed to G-Unit. Nas had Kelis on that "American Way" song on Street's Disciple, and it was a dope song. Conscious raps, Q-Tip prodcution, classic atomic dog sample.
I agree that Nas should keep it strictly NY. But whats wrong with Salaam Remi? He's dropped some good shit for Nas in the past, and thats the producer I most associate with Nas these days. Be dope to get Primo, Q-Tip, Large Pro, Slick Rick but that prolly won't be happening. I'm pretty sure we'll see Just Blaze and Kanye pop up. That isn't a bad thing, but it just seems predictable.
Nas and Jay have an opportunity to make a classic record here, but I'm not 100% they're going to execute. Having said that, it's still one of my most anticipated hip hop records this year, and I'm buying it when it drops.
What the fuck is you talking about, I was commenting on Will I Am's presence on a LP called "Hiphop is dead", and the irony of that, not the wackness of Blood Money.
Will I Am should be perm banned from hiphop after "My Humps" and that garbage with Pussycat Dolls, now he's fucking up Busta & Nas albums as well ?
Fuck outta here.
I was responding to you saying "seems like Nas wants to put the last nail in the coffin, expect Kelis on some tracks as well" like that was wack or something. I simply pointed out that their collab on SD came off tight. I don't get how you can hate on Nas - IMO their aren't many cats taking as much artistic risk as him in the last 5 years. He's not doing corny ass R&B songs like your hero 50. Compare his last 4 albums to say Jigga for example: Stillmatic>Blueprint, Street's Disciple>>>>>>BP2, God's Son>Black Album.
Look at the singles he's chosen since '01:
Got Yourself A Gun
One Mic
Made You Look
I Can
Theifs Theme
Bridging the Gap
Just a Moment
UBR
He's released his vintage gritty shit, thought provoking shit, and paid homage to his musical inspirations. Who else is doin shit like that these days?
And I'm not immediately writing off the collab with Will.i.am yet. Granted, BEP's have been putting out some of the poppiest wack bullshit with their last couple albums. If you peep some of their older shit, you'll see they do have skill. They're dumbing themselves down like a mother fucker to get money (ie like 95% of any song getting airplay on radio / MTV / BET.) Now, if they do "Let's Get it Started pt. II" i'll def be pissed off. But if they go artistic with it, it could come off dope.
I def don't want Nas' version of the Black Album here either. I don't mind a Kanye or Just beat, but I don't want either of them all over the album.
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^^ Kelis isn't good imo, and neither was their collabo on Street Disciple.
LOL @ you being obsessed with 50 Cent, you just have to slip him into any thread you post in, don't you ?? No matter how unrelated it is. :D
Also LOL @ you saying that all Nas albums are better than Jay-Z albums, are you Nasir Jones, or you just got a inferiority complex on behalf of him ?? Must be one of the two.
And I'm not immediately writing off the collab with Will.i.am yet.
Of course you haven't, Nas (possibly you) is on it.
Me, I've written off BEP, and most thing related to them, if I hear them on the radio, I'm reaching for the channel changer. :nawty:
Jay-Z's involvement makes me somewhat concerned.
Can't see why that would make anyone concerned if a Will I Am cameo doesn't make you concerned..., Jay-Z have consistently been picking better beats than Nas for the last 5 years.
Unless Jay chooses to go for a "Change clothes and go" type of single, but that would just be 1 track, and it's not like Nas is unfamiliar with Neptunes.
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are you Nasir Jones, or you just got a inferiority complex on behalf of him ?? Must be one of the two.
Yeah, MUST be one of the two... good job Jome
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^^ Kelis isn't good imo, and neither was their collabo on Street Disciple.
LOL @ you being obsessed with 50 Cent, you just have to slip him into any thread you post in, don't you ?? No matter how unrelated it is. :D
Also LOL @ you saying that all Nas albums are better than Jay-Z albums, are you Nasir Jones, or you just got a inferiority complex on behalf of him ?? Must be one of the two.
Step your reading comprehension game up. I said in the last 5 years not ALL. Nas albums >>> Jay Z albums since 2001. But now that you mention it....Nas catalog >>>> Jay's catalog. 8) Shit, Nas' throwaway songs shit on some of Jigga's albums. So if I say Nas albums are better than Jiggas I have an inferiority complex? LMFAO! What exactly are you basing that on? Or are you just a bitch getting emotional and throwing out random insults? I know you're still upset that your wet dream album Blood Money was fucking horrible. You still waiting for M.O.P. to drop on G-Unit? :loser:
And I'm not immediately writing off the collab with Will.i.am yet.
Of course you haven't, Nas (possibly you) is on it.
Me, I've written off BEP, and most thing related to them, if I hear them on the radio, I'm reaching for the channel changer. :nawty:
Yes, I'm Nas. Don't tell anybody though.
Again, step your comprehension up. Is BEP on the song or Will.I.Am...? Did you not read where I said they've put out nothing pop wack pop bullshit over their last 2 cds ??? Are you disputing that Will.I.Am is a talented dude? Have you ever listened to their older shit? I based my statement on the fact that WIA has shown he's a talented dude in the past, not what BEP has been doing the last few years. It could very well be wack, but he's shown some shit in the past to at least withhold judgment till you hear it.
Jay-Z's involvement makes me somewhat concerned.
Can't see why that would make anyone concerned if a Will I Am cameo doesn't make you concerned..., Jay-Z have consistently been picking better beats than Nas for the last 5 years.
Unless Jay chooses to go for a "Change clothes and go" type of single, but that would just be 1 track, and it's not like Nas is unfamiliar with Neptunes.
Back up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001.
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny.... and no salamm remi either. How many titles has this album had so far.... the jones experience, nasdaq down jones, nigger, and now this one.
LMFAO
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Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd.
CLEARLY, AFTER JAY-Z DISCOVERED AND PUT THEM ON.
LoL, good one.
You still waiting for M.O.P. to drop on G-Unit?
Yeah, I'm a M.O.P. fan, so what ?
Back up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001.
Won't argue on that, as Jay had some horrible commercial singles, just for the sales & MTV audience, and Nas had some good singles, but singles doesn't make albums alone.
Your hate for Jay-Z shines through in all your posts in this thread, maybe only surpassed by your somewhat unhealthy fascination for Nas, putting him on a godlike pedestal. :-\
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I really hope Quik has some production on this like was rumored earlier...
i hope not, keep strictly ny...
I hope he has some on there and then you'll feel like a dick when it's the tightest shit u've ever heard :D
nah I like quik hes a top 5 producer and hes >>> dre but I want this album to be strictly ny b/c thats what ny really needs.
I respect that and kinda agree.... I do think areas need to be clickin back up again in their respective regions
still wanna hear a Quik and Nas collabo tho, would be crazy
yeah man, agree with that 100%... i think quik could come up with his own dope east coast style... cant wait.
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This album will be shit.
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cant wait 4 this album 2 drop, its gone be crazy 8)
but will.i.am def is wack...listen to his most recent beat 4 busta rhymes, that shit is stupid, not even worth listening 2
it's that bussa bus is on it otherwise i wouldnt even listened it... ???
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lookin forward to any Nas album and hopefully he can deliver on this one with his 1st album on def jam.
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Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd.
CLEARLY, AFTER JAY-Z DISCOVERED AND PUT THEM ON.
LoL, good one.
You still waiting for M.O.P. to drop on G-Unit?
Yeah, I'm a M.O.P. fan, so what ?
Back up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001.
Won't argue on that, as Jay had some horrible commercial singles, just for the sales & MTV audience, and Nas had some good singles, but singles doesn't make albums alone.
Your hate for Jay-Z shines through in all your posts in this thread, maybe only surpassed by your somewhat unhealthy fascination for Nas, putting him on a godlike pedestal. :-\
My hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay.
Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.
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Back up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001.
Yeah, but that's NOW...remember that Jay-Z more-or-less gave Kanye and Just Blaze their first hits with his biggest singles from 2000-02. So keep that in mind...he made the bandwagons, he didn't ALWAYS follow them.
Both of them have created some very memorable singles. As far as the discography comparison goes, I think both have pretty strong ones overall. Nas has at least one classic, Jigga has a questionable classic, so maybe that means Nas' overall discog is better. But Jigga has been far more consistent throughout his career...he's released one album which was weak ("Hard Knock Life"), while Nas had a 5-year stretch of weak albums (from "It Was Written" up through "Nastradamus", and "Street's Disciple" wasn't exactly great work, either).
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Bottom line is, to me, Nas has more classic songs than Jay. Somebody name Jay's 20 best songs - I bet you Nas 20 best would outshine it.
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My hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay.
Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.
It's all gravy, Nas fans never faze me, in fact I'm one myself. ;D
I agree with Jay's single choices, Change clothes, Me & my GF, H to the Izzo, Hovi Baby, all poor choices, but I always cared more about the albums than the single(s).
I couldn't help to notice that you put Streets Disciple up against Blueprint 2 instead of Black Album, which came out at about the same time, and God Son up against Black Album instead of Blueprint 2, which came out at the same time. Tactic to make Nas albums look better, or a mistake ?
Because you can say that God Son is better than BP2, but if you said that Streets Disciple is better than Black Album, I doubt you'd get many people to agree.
Also, you can't deny Jay's ear for beats, he more or less started Kanye West & Just Blaze, he helped Rockwilder, Bink, Rick Rock & 9th Wonder to become household names, he gave Neptunes some of their biggest hits or vice versa (when they started), and he just gave Norwegian producers Stargate their international breakthrough.
Can't say the same for Nas, his beat selections looks very random and accidental..
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My hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay.
Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.
It's all gravy, Nas fans never faze me, in fact I'm one myself. ;D
I agree with Jay's single choices, Change clothes, Me & my GF, H to the Izzo, Hovi Baby, all poor choices, but I always cared more about the albums than the single(s).
I couldn't help to notice that you put Streets Disciple up against Blueprint 2 instead of Black Album, which came out at about the same time, and God Son up against Black Album instead of Blueprint 2, which came out at the same time. Tactic to make Nas albums look better, or a mistake ?
Because you can say that God Son is better than BP2, but if you said that Streets Disciple is better than Black Album, I doubt you'd get many people to agree.
Also, you can't deny Jay's ear for beats, he more or less started Kanye West & Just Blaze, he helped Rockwilder, Bink, Rick Rock & 9th Wonder to become household names, he gave Neptunes some of their biggest hits or vice versa (when they started), and he just gave Norwegian producers Stargate their international breakthrough.
Can't say the same for Nas, his beat selections looks very random and accidental..
Well I matched them up that way for a reason: Stillmatic vs. Blueprint = Nas vs. Jay beef, both argued to be classics. I compared Street's Disciple to BP2 because they were both double albums, and God's Son vs. Black album cuz those were the only two left.
Jay does have a good ear for beats, but I think Nas is still better, and has had more dope singles. The only reason I mention singles so much is because I think they are a real gauge of where an artist is at. Its getting more and more rare for artists (and I use that term loosely in hip hop nowadays) to take any real risks, especially when it comes to releasing singles. It's become formulaic, pandering, and exploiting. Most of them aren't exciting anymore. It used to be that the single was one of the best songs on the album, now its on some watered down, digestable, pander to the ignorant masses bullshit. And when that becomes acceptable it ultimately hurts hip hop's credibility.
While Jay def did help Kanye get his name out, he isn't responsible for his success. Kanye was ghost producing all the way back for Ma$e and Harlem World in '97. D-Dot put him on, and as everybody knows he had multiple offers on the table. Through The Wire was when Kanye launched into being a top tier artist. That song blew up because it was incredible, not cuz of his affiliation with Jay. Don't forget that the Roc had no immediate plans to release his album. So he paid for that video OUT OF POCKET. When it blew the fuck up, it forced the Roc's hand into releasing his album. So yeah, Jay was working with him prior to his superstardom, but he wasn't responsible for it.
And while you say Nas' beat selections look random and accidental, I'd say he's being creative and experimental (which is the essence of artistry in any genre of expression). And no doubt, when you are experimental, you will inevitably do some things that come out wack. But I'd take type of wackness over predicatable, watered down music wackness anyday.
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My hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay.
Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.
It's all gravy, Nas fans never faze me, in fact I'm one myself. ;D
I agree with Jay's single choices, Change clothes, Me & my GF, H to the Izzo, Hovi Baby, all poor choices, but I always cared more about the albums than the single(s).
I couldn't help to notice that you put Streets Disciple up against Blueprint 2 instead of Black Album, which came out at about the same time, and God Son up against Black Album instead of Blueprint 2, which came out at the same time. Tactic to make Nas albums look better, or a mistake ?
Because you can say that God Son is better than BP2, but if you said that Streets Disciple is better than Black Album, I doubt you'd get many people to agree.
Also, you can't deny Jay's ear for beats, he more or less started Kanye West & Just Blaze, he helped Rockwilder, Bink, Rick Rock & 9th Wonder to become household names, he gave Neptunes some of their biggest hits or vice versa (when they started), and he just gave Norwegian producers Stargate their international breakthrough.
Can't say the same for Nas, his beat selections looks very random and accidental..
rick rock, bink, and 9th wonder still arent house hold names. Truth be told if you went up to a random rap fan they wouldnt even know who primo is. But jay did put on kayne and just blaze on and got them big. But for the most part most most producers never become household names unless they rap also or really did change the game.
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rick rock, bink, and 9th wonder still arent house hold names. Truth be told if you went up to a random rap fan they wouldnt even know who primo is. But jay did put on kayne and just blaze on and got them big. But for the most part most most producers never become household names unless they rap also or really did change the game.
Well, household names for hiphop fans then, you know what I mean.
Jay does have a good ear for beats, but I think Nas is still better, and has had more dope singles. The only reason I mention singles so much is because I think they are a real gauge of where an artist is at. Its getting more and more rare for artists (and I use that term loosely in hip hop nowadays) to take any real risks, especially when it comes to releasing singles. It's become formulaic, pandering, and exploiting. Most of them aren't exciting anymore. It used to be that the single was one of the best songs on the album, now its on some watered down, digestable, pander to the ignorant masses bullshit. And when that becomes acceptable it ultimately hurts hip hop's credibility.
Well, you make a good argument, but as long as Nas have some of those watered down digestable pander to the masses "could sell the album platinum if chosen as a single" tracks on the album (e.g. Braveheart Party, Hey Nas, that Braveheart or Kelis shit, etc.), then they're equal, imo.. though Jay got more of them than Nas.
Maybe Nas would go multi-plat each time with the right singles, and Jay barely making platinum by releasing a raw hiphop cut as single..
I fail to see how Nas can have a better ear for beats than Jay, with Blueprint & Black Albums being near flawless produced, God Son being very random, and Street Disciple pretty damn horrible produced..
While Jay def did help Kanye get his name out, he isn't responsible for his success. Kanye was ghost producing all the way back for Ma$e and Harlem World in '97. D-Dot put him on, and as everybody knows he had multiple offers on the table. Through The Wire was when Kanye launched into being a top tier artist. That song blew up because it was incredible, not cuz of his affiliation with Jay. Don't forget that the Roc had no immediate plans to release his album. So he paid for that video OUT OF POCKET. When it blew the fuck up, it forced the Roc's hand into releasing his album. So yeah, Jay was working with him prior to his superstardom, but he wasn't responsible for it.
Kanye's rap career came out of the blue, but if it wasn't for Jay letting him do production on Blueprint and become a household name by skyrocketing his name, it's very likely that Kanye's rap career wouldn't even get started... Blueprint paved the way for Kanye to start his own shit, thanks to Jay taking the chance on him.
I remember that ROC posse cut (+ Twista) with Dame Dash shouting "Oh shit, it's the producer of the ROC, and he can even rap better than most rappers!" as one of the first places I heard Kanye rap.. it's not because of Mase & Harlem World he got on there and start to rap, that's for sure, Jay gave Kanye a foundation as good as 50 & Dre gave Game, though of course Kanye did his own thing to blow, he got a lot to thank Jay for.
And while you say Nas' beat selections look random and accidental, I'd say he's being creative and experimental (which is the essence of artistry in any genre of expression). And no doubt, when you are experimental, you will inevitably do some things that come out wack. But I'd take type of wackness over predicatable, watered down music wackness anyday.
Yah, save that shit for the leftover tapes.
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Well, you make a good argument, but as long as Nas have some of those watered down digestable pander to the masses "could sell the album platinum if chosen as a single" tracks on the album (e.g. Braveheart Party, Hey Nas, that Braveheart or Kelis shit, etc.), then they're equal, imo.. though Jay got more of them than Nas.
Maybe Nas would go multi-plat each time with the right singles, and Jay barely making platinum by releasing a raw hiphop cut as single..
The difference in Braveheart Party and Hey Nas vs. Change Clothes and Me and My Girfriend is that Nas didn't put those tracks out as singles. Don't get me wrong, I fuckin hate Braveheart Party but it's not like Nas made that bullshit and put it out as a single to whore himself for some more sales. In fact, it was even removed from the later pressings of the album. Jay did put out those songs as singles and makes no bones about it: "I dumb down my lyrics to double my dollars".
It's like the Neptunes appearing on Scarface's album (The Fix). The wasn't a collab that I was really looking forward to. Not cuz I don't think they're talented, but cuz EVERYBODY was releasing a single produced by the Neptunes at that time. But the song came off nice, and Face didn't even release it as a single. Who else would get beats from the Neptunes and not use that bitch as a single? Face gets props for not going the same route as everybody else. It makes you think "Maybe he got down with the Neptunes cuz he thinks they're good musicians, not just cuz Neptunes single = $$$$$.
I fail to see how Nas can have a better ear for beats than Jay, with Blueprint & Black Albums being near flawless produced, God Son being very random, and Street Disciple pretty damn horrible produced..
Dog, Black Album is nowhere near flawlessly produced. That had some of the wackest beats for being big name producers in a while: Eminem, Quik, Kanye, 9th Wonder, Neptunes and Timbo all dropped sub par production. Just cuz they are big name doesn't mean their beats are dope. Em & Quik were VERY boring, Kanye's sounded like they were thrown together quickly, 9th was at least average (but not great), Tim's was generic, and Neptunes were straight CORNY. Luckily he got some good shit from Just Blaze, a classic from Rick Rubin, and another classic from Aqua & 3H (My 1st song). So he may have had quality producers, the actual beats were subpar overall.
And I'm pretty amazed that anybody would say Street's Disciple was horribly produced. I think it was an incredible album - most young cats don't feel it, but that's cause Nas made an honest album that wasn't intended for simple ears. Anyway, I loved the production. You're telling me that the production on these songs wasn't dope?
02. A Message To The Feds, Sincerely, We The People
03. Nazareth Savage
04. American Way
06. Disciple
07. Sekou Story
09. Rest Of My Life
10. Just A Moment
11. Reason
12. You Know My Style
Disc 2
02. Street's Disciple
04. U.b.r. (unauthorized Biography Of Rakim)
05. Virgo
07. Remember The Times
09. Getting Married
11. Bridging The Gap
12. War
13. Me & You
14. Thief's Theme (explicit Album Version)
To me, those are all great productions, even some true classics. The only production i didn't like were Suicide Bounce, Makings of a Perfect Bitch, and No One Else in the Room. 3 wack tracks out of 26? Jay wishes he could do that (Why do you think he signed him).
Kanye's rap career came out of the blue, but if it wasn't for Jay letting him do production on Blueprint and become a household name by skyrocketing his name, it's very likely that Kanye's rap career wouldn't even get started... Blueprint paved the way for Kanye to start his own shit, thanks to Jay taking the chance on him.
Jay was not the 1st person to take a chance on him.
Kanye did not come out of the blue dog, and Jay didn't birth that career either. He was producing shit that was dropping on Bad Boy YEARS before in 97 (when BadBoy was on TOP). How many tracks did Kanye RAP on on the Blueprint? NONE. Jay wasn't featuring him on tracks. Hell, Kanye didn't even get credit for his hook on Scarface's album. Kanye blowing up as an artist was due to his putting out Through The Wire under his own accord. Rocafella had NO plans of releasing his album at that time. Kanye's major artist debut was his own doing - the ROC couldn't ignore the buzz he created for himself as that song blew the fuck up. The Roc HAD to release the album.
I remember that ROC posse cut (+ Twista) with Dame Dash shouting "Oh shit, it's the producer of the ROC, and he can even rap better than most rappers!" as one of the first places I heard Kanye rap.. it's not because of Mase & Harlem World he got on there and start to rap, that's for sure, Jay gave Kanye a foundation as good as 50 & Dre gave Game, though of course Kanye did his own thing to blow, he got a lot to thank Jay for.
If we were talking about Just Blaze, you wouldn't hear an arguement from me. Fact is, Kanye was already in the game appearing on MAJOR releases YEARS prior to the Roc. His intro as an artist was his doint, no one elses.
Yah, save that shit for the leftover tapes.
You mean like "The Lost Tapes"?? Funny how that is better than half of Jay's catalog.
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^^ Too tired to reply to all of that, but I will say that that is some serious overrating of Streets Disciple, and Suicide Bounce was one of the better tracks, imo.
Make a poll, "Which album had better production, Black Album or Streets Disciple?", I think we both know the winner, but hey.. each to his own.
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^^ Too tired to reply to all of that, but I will say that that is some serious overrating of Streets Disciple, and Suicide Bounce was one of the better tracks, imo.
Make a poll, "Which album had better production, Black Album or Streets Disciple?", I think we both know the winner, but hey.. each to his own.
COPOUT. And you keep throwing out statements but you never back them up. My post may have been long but at least I justify what I'm saying. And a poll wouldn't validate the arguement anymore than album sales would, and its no secret that Jay has sold more albums than Nas. Just cuz something's popular doesn't qualify it's legitimacy.
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^^ No copout, just too fucking tired to reply to that essay, and I have no reply to your overrating of Nas albums, I'll let that slide as opinions.
A poll would validate the beats on BA being superior to SD, nothing less, even though it's probably 3 times more Nas fans on Dubcc than Jay fans, I assume that most would have the vision to see that Nas has been choosing some very random beats in the recent years, in a declining curve.
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^^ No copout, just too fucking tired to reply to that essay, and I have no reply to your overrating of Nas albums, I'll let that slide as opinions.
A poll would validate the beats on BA being superior to SD, nothing less, even though it's probably 3 times more Nas fans on Dubcc than Jay fans, I assume that most would have the vision to see that Nas has been choosing some very random beats in the recent years, in a declining curve.
If you feel a poll will validate you, by all means make one. I'm saying I have no need to, it won't tell me anything. Just know that its the quality of the critique, not the quantity of critics.
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I don't need a validation, cuz I can clearly see that you rate SD (& GS?) higher than probably anybody on this board, but it doesn't really bother me either. ;D
Aight, we're done. 8)
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^^ No copout, just too fucking tired to reply to that essay, and I have no reply to your overrating of Nas albums, I'll let that slide as opinions.
A poll would validate the beats on BA being superior to SD, nothing less, even though it's probably 3 times more Nas fans on Dubcc than Jay fans, I assume that most would have the vision to see that Nas has been choosing some very random beats in the recent years, in a declining curve.
i gotta agree with jome here. Nas has had a bad ear for beats lately. The black albums production shits all over SD. Its not flawless like Jome says but there not one beat on the black album that isnt a good beat. Besides that though Nas >>> Jay in every aspect