West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Sweet & Tender Hooligan on June 19, 2006, 05:25:02 AM
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Anyone agree?
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^Yep, 100%.
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Werll Im a huge Biggie fan, so I have to go with him. But I admit I never really listened to Big L and really gave him a chance if you know what I mean. WIll do that some day.
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Big L is way better
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Actually, yeah, i agree.
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Quite possibly, Biggie is over-rated i.m.o.
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Werll Im a huge Biggie fan, so I have to go with him. But I admit I never really listened to Big L and really gave him a chance if you know what I mean. WIll do that some day.
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hard to make the comparison... big L didnt get his time to shine... big L definetly had some dope rhymes, but his catalogue is so limited it's hard to judge...
i'd say biggie is better.
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Biggie's flow was so good, sometimes his rhymes were overlooked.
BIG defo brought the best of both worlds.
I like Big L, but the Biggie comparison is unfair, just like Cheif said a couple of post's above me..(Material)
But it's all about a person's own opinion bro, keep Big L alive.
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Big L could have been better than BIG, better than many other rappers in most peoples top 10. Big L would be up there with Rakim and Nas and 2Pac, had his career been able to continue.
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But it's all about a person's own opinion bro, keep Big L alive.
thats the type of positive outlook we need in this place
+1
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How old was he when he got shot? Does anyone know why he got shot? if he had any beefs and all.
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hmmm i think ima have to go with biggie ask on another day and the answer probably would be different.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/060619_bias&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1
Big L is the Len Bias of rap. Both should be on their way to being the GOAT. Instead, it's tons of what ifs.
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Yeah, we'll never know. I've always enjoyed Big L's shit more so in my eyes he's the better emcee.
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How old was he when he got shot? Does anyone know why he got shot? if he had any beefs and all.
He was 24-25. He got shot b/c of his older brother. His brother was deep in the streets and got into some beef. But he was doing a bid upstate so whoever he had beef with got to the brother through. He was shot 5 times point blank in the face.
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Quite possibly, Biggie is over-rated i.m.o.
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big L is a better mc but his records dont have the personality or charisma like biggies to keep me listening over and over again. comparing them on a "whos better" field doesnt even make sense
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Quite possibly, Biggie is over-rated i.m.o.
I agree with that too to a degree.
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big L is a better mc but his records dont have the personality or charisma like biggies to keep me listening over and over again. comparing them on a "whos better" field doesnt even make sense
said it all right there^^, biggie had the flow, rhymes, AND beats
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the charisma might be true, but that's why Big L is a what if. He hadn't dropped an LP when he died. He had tons of mixtapes, which are more unpersonally, and artist tend to try to show case their skillz more, and use generic beats. He was a mixtape king. Had he put out a real LP, what could it have been like. Of course, Lloyd Banks was the same, and he didn't do well with his solo in terms of artistic. So it could be either way. That's the what if's. I think he is on Nas level right now with respect and skillz, and his on 50 Cent level in sales. With the right beats, Big L is on a level all on his own.
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Big L is a different kind of mc. He was the perfect freestyler, he could spit better rhymes from the top of his head than biggie, jay-z and big pun put togheter. He had the craziest punchlines, the craziest metaphores, his multi-sylables skillz still can't be matched. He was also a great storyteller. He had not the jazzman-styled flow of biggie but his flow was crazy, he could spit slowly and in a second switch his flow and spit faster than krazy bone. He's not far from being the best mc, but he ain't perfect, he's not as clever as nas, charismatic and emotionnal as 2pac or got the special flow biggie had. But he is one of the best no doubt. When it comes to who's the best, it's all opinions.
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big l was a better mc but biggie was a better artist
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I have to say Biggie. Biggie had a larger than life presence. Big L just didn't have that. Big L had talent but he lacked the presence that someone on Biggie's level had. That's what separates the legends from the good lyricists.
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Wasnt "Lifestyles of the poor and dangerous" an LP?.....ANd also his posthomous release which was produced by Premo IMO was a 4 and a half mic album, better than reasonable doubt or ready 2 die but i doubt many people will agree with that......
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Big L never released an album. Not a real one, which is were artist become artist. Any artist on a mixtape is not as good as them on an album. Who's to say Big L doesn't become Lloyd Banks, but I think he was well on his way to becoming the largest eastcoast artist since Rakim. His career hadn't started yet, he was not in his prime, and even though Biggie died too early, he was able to showcase his whole self. His verses on mixtapes, and his features were not as good either. If he died shortly after Party and Bullshit, his on no ones top 10, or even top 50. That's were Big L left off. He died after his Party and Bullshit era, and was on his way to getting a deal and releasing his Ready to Die. Who's to say he wouldn't make an Illmatic, or a Paid in Full in his debut. After all, you save the best for your debut.
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^What???Lifestyles Of Da Poor & Dangerous is a real album.
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Wasnt "Lifestyles of the poor and dangerous" an LP?.....ANd also his posthomous release which was produced by Premo IMO was a 4 and a half mic album, better than reasonable doubt or ready 2 die but i doubt many people will agree with that......
ready 2 die was better than the big picture, but the big picture is a solid album.
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Now here's a question. Who was better, Big L or Lord Finesse?
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lord finesse taught a lot to big L, but big L is the best emcee, but you can easily the influence lord finesse had on big L. Lord finesse is more complete though, dude can produce dope tracks, he is my favorite producer in the ditc
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wasnt Big Pictures another one of his albums?
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^^^^^^
Havent i already said that moose fucker?
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Big Picture was released after his death, and was just uncompleted songs and freestyles. That's not fair to judge him off that. That's like saying Biggie was to judged off Born Again. As for Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, that was a release, a good one too, but it was an underground release. That's like judging Cube off of his CIA album. Although he was good, he was not the Cube that we knew and loved of AmeriKKKa'z Most. Big L is the biggest what if's in Hip-Hop. He coulda been one of the greatest ever, or he coulda joined his friends like Ma$e and Cam'rom. He had more skillz than them though, and I think he woulda been better than Biggie. The biggest what if in Hip-Hop.
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Big Picture was released after his death, and was just uncompleted songs and freestyles. That's not fair to judge him off that. That's like saying Biggie was to judged off Born Again. As for Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, that was a release, a good one too, but it was an underground release. That's like judging Cube off of his CIA album. Although he was good, he was not the Cube that we knew and loved of AmeriKKKa'z Most. Big L is the biggest what if's in Hip-Hop. He coulda been one of the greatest ever, or he coulda joined his friends like Ma$e and Cam'rom. He had more skillz than them though, and I think he woulda been better than Biggie. The biggest what if in Hip-Hop.
agreed
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^^^^^^
Havent i already said that moose fucker?
oh, i dint read it, but i read some people say he never released an album...
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agreed
all Big L tracks came with punchlines one after another, dope rapper
actually one of the first rappers I checked out
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Big Picture was released after his death, and was just uncompleted songs and freestyles. That's not fair to judge him off that. That's like saying Biggie was to judged off Born Again. As for Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, that was a release, a good one too, but it was an underground release. That's like judging Cube off of his CIA album. Although he was good, he was not the Cube that we knew and loved of AmeriKKKa'z Most. Big L is the biggest what if's in Hip-Hop. He coulda been one of the greatest ever, or he coulda joined his friends like Ma$e and Cam'rom. He had more skillz than them though, and I think he woulda been better than Biggie. The biggest what if in Hip-Hop.
Agree, I'd like to throw The Realest Mausberg to that list aswell...
Big Berg, defo would have been in the mix of the Westcoast scene. (Possible Don?)
R.I.P. "The Realest" Mausberg ("Ring King")
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Big Picture was released after his death, and was just uncompleted songs and freestyles. That's not fair to judge him off that. That's like saying Biggie was to judged off Born Again. As for Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, that was a release, a good one too, but it was an underground release. That's like judging Cube off of his CIA album. Although he was good, he was not the Cube that we knew and loved of AmeriKKKa'z Most. Big L is the biggest what if's in Hip-Hop. He coulda been one of the greatest ever, or he coulda joined his friends like Ma$e and Cam'rom. He had more skillz than them though, and I think he woulda been better than Biggie. The biggest what if in Hip-Hop.
the big picture was an album big L was about to release, there is only one freestyle on it and it's a damn good one, i think the pac song was also added later, but it's written in the book that big L was currently making this album and alot of people got 2gheter to put their touch on it and honor him, get your shit straight homie.
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my point was, it was not to be Big L's Ready to Die, his Illmatic, his Paid in Full. It was not set to be his big, mainstream debut. It was some shit he never got to complete, and never got to have the final say. The lyrics are his, but it was not his masterpiece. He was building to that. Like Nas had his features and Biggie had his, and Rakim had his singles out before dropping a classic. Big L had his shit ready, but he never got to put out his shit, his mainstream, classic, statement to the world that says, Fuck you favorite rapper, I'm on top now.
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^Yep, 100%.