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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on June 22, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
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This is starting to get ridiculous.....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200677,00.html
Seven Nabbed in Miami on Terror Charges in Plot to Hit Sears Tower
Thursday, June 22, 2006
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MIAMI — Seven people were arrested on terrorism conspiracy charges Thursday in connection with the early stages of a plot to attack Chicago's Sears Tower and other buildings in the United States, a federal law enforcement official said.
Officials told FOXNews the seven men were in the very early stages of planning an attack for what the planners thought was Al Qaeda, but the people they were working with were actually Department of Justice officials.
The target was supposedly the Sears Tower in Chicago, but officials said the suspects were also considering attacking FBI facilities and government buildings in Miami.
Officials told FOXNews that the suspects were plotting to wage jihad in conjunction with Al Qaeda and were having elaborate discussions, and that the suspects believed if they knocked down the Sears Tower, that they could effectively cripple the U.S. government.
The officials stressed that there was no imminent danger, telling FOXNews "we were with them the whole time."
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Those arrested include five American citizens, one illegal alien from Haiti, and one resident alien. All are expected to be arraigned in U.S. District court on Monday.
A federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press the alleged plotters were mainly Americans with no apparent ties to Al Qaeda or other foreign terrorist organizations. He spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to pre-empt news conferences planned for Friday in Washington and Miami.
U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta said in a statement that more details about the ongoing operation would be released Friday. Local media reported that agents were raiding a warehouse in Miami's Liberty City section.
"There is no imminent threat to Miami or any other area because of these operations," said Richard Kolko, spokesman for FBI headquarters in Washington. He declined further comment.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was scheduled to hold a news conference on Friday to discuss the raid. A simultaneous news conference was to be held in Miami.
Cedric Thomas, an owner of Thomas Produce Market, told The Miami Herald the area around his store was teeming with federal agents.
"There is a ton of guys in uniforms moving around, blocking the streets," Thomas said.
Several terrorism investigations have had south Florida links. Several of the Sept. 11 hijackers lived and trained in the area, including ringleader Mohamed Atta, and several plots by Cuban-Americans against Fidel Castro's government have been based in Miami.
Jose Padilla, a former resident once accused of plotting to detonate a radioactive bomb in the U.S., is charged in Miami with being part of a North American terror cell.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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i hope jack bauer tortures the shit out of them
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Where does it state that the 7 people were Muslims?
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They could have killed Kanye :boohoo:
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Where does it state that the 7 people were Muslims?
normal people dont commit atrocities like 9/11, who else could it have been besides a filthy tusken raider?
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(JML) - Where does it state that the 7 people were Muslims?
they were black muslims.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13491653/
The men — part of a radical Black Muslim group — were planning terror acts in Miami and Chicago, officials say.
An official told The Associated Press the alleged plotters were mainly Americans with no apparent ties to al-Qaida or other foreign terrorist organizations.
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They just busted 7 Muslims in Miami for plotting terrorist attacks
So? What the fuck is your point this time, Pollack?
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They just busted 7 Muslims in Miami for plotting terrorist attacks
So? What the fuck is your point this time, Pollack?
You don't think this is a big story? 7 of our fellow "Americans" were plotting to blow up the biggest building here in the US and you are asking me what my point is?
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^^ haha, seriously!
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^ LOL
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i hope jack bauer tortures the shit out of them
HAHAHAHAHA!
fuckin' niggas...
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You don't think this is a big story? 7 of our fellow "Americans" were plotting to blow up the biggest building here in the US and you are asking me what my point is?
You know what the fuck I mean, lil devil...What are you trying to imply about Muslims? Do not dodge the God's questions.
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I am not trying to imply anything about Muslims. I am just informing people by posting news articles, that's all.
Draw your own conclusions about Muslims..........
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I am not trying to imply anything about Muslims. I am just informing people by posting news articles, that's all.
Draw your own conclusions about Muslims..........
Why do YOU need to inform us when this has been all over the news?
You know as well as I do that you want us all to conclude that all Muslims are potential terrorists and thus Islam must be considered a threat to America. That is obviously what you believe.
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I am not trying to imply anything about Muslims. I am just informing people by posting news articles, that's all.
Draw your own conclusions about Muslims..........
Why do YOU need to inform us when this has been all over the news?
You know as well as I do that you want us all to conclude that all Muslims are potential terrorists and thus Islam must be considered a threat to America. That is obviously what you believe.
lol did you call him devil? that is so black people 1994 ::)
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lol did you call him devil? that is so black people 1994 ::)
Because I don't like him...therefore, I am God and he is a Devil whenever he is before me.
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These 7 Haitian dumbasses actually told the FBI informant that they wanted to "kill some devils".
It is sad that even in 2006, such savage hatred and racism still exist.....
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These 7 Haitian dumbasses actually told the FBI informant that they wanted to "kill some devils".
It is sad that even in 2006, such savage hatred and racism still exist.....
I know, but people like you make it possible. There can never be reconciliation until conservatives stop trying to rewrite history.
Anyway, you didn't answer my question, as usual.
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The fact is this sounds like some crazy people, who were probably the type to say all sorts of crazy things but not have the means or resources or know how to do it. To back that up ITV reported yesterday that the FBI has already admitted that this has never got beyond the aspirational stage, i.e. they did not find any explosives when they raided the place. However a question for you what is the difference between ther aspirational stage of this, and neocons openly stating that Fallujah should have been nuked after the death of 4 U.S contractors there?
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These guys actually weren't REAL muslims:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/429525p-362167c.html
They belong to a ground called the Seas of David that "mixed elements of christianity and islam." So they're part christian too if you buy that. In reality, they're more of a cult than a traditional religion.
Also, some suggest guys weren't serious threats either,
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/7768.html
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These guys weren't anywhere near close to bringing their plans to fruition, but no one ever claimed that. It is still a great job by law enforcement to bring these guys down before they could go any further.
You could say they weren't very sophisticated and that they probably wouldn't have been successful, but do you really know that for certain? Was Timothy McVeigh really that sophisticated? Probably not, but he still killed hundreds of people with a terrorist attack.
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These guys weren't anywhere near close to bringing their plans to fruition, but no one ever claimed that. It is still a great job by law enforcement to bring these guys down before they could go any further.
You could say they weren't very sophisticated and that they probably wouldn't have been successful, but do you really know that for certain? Was Timothy McVeigh really that sophisticated? Probably not, but he still killed hundreds of people with a terrorist attack.
No doubt it was a good job bringing them down. However, I suggest you change the title of this thread.
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These guys weren't anywhere near close to bringing their plans to fruition, but no one ever claimed that. It is still a great job by law enforcement to bring these guys down before they could go any further.
You could say they weren't very sophisticated and that they probably wouldn't have been successful, but do you really know that for certain? Was Timothy McVeigh really that sophisticated? Probably not, but he still killed hundreds of people with a terrorist attack.
I still want my answers, punk.
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I still want my answers, punk.
What answers? And why do I always answer your questions but you ignore mine?
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Haha i notice how people are ignoring my question also so I shall repeat it what is the difference between the aspirational stage of this and neocons calling for fallujah to be nuked following 4 u.s contractors getting killed? Also, thanks Ant for providing that link that is exactly what my first suspicions were just a group of people mouthing off, do you see how ridiculous it is though. It would be so easy for an undercover FBI/CIA to get some muslims drunk, perhaps they themselves have lost family members in Iraq and coax them into agreeing that George Bush should be got rid of, catch it on tape and then relay that to the media to whip up a new frenzy of fear and so once again they could tell americans that the threat was everywhere.
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Haha i notice how people are ignoring my question also so I shall repeat it what is the difference between the aspirational stage of this and neocons calling for fallujah to be nuked following 4 u.s contractors getting killed? Also, thanks Ant for providing that link that is exactly what my first suspicions were just a group of people mouthing off, do you see how ridiculous it is though. It would be so easy for an undercover FBI/CIA to get some muslims drunk, perhaps they themselves have lost family members in Iraq and coax them into agreeing that George Bush should be got rid of, catch it on tape and then relay that to the media to whip up a new frenzy of fear and so once again they could tell americans that the threat was everywhere.
Would you rather catch them after they've killed so many people?
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Of course not but my point is the media frenzy which is being whipped up each time when the fact is these people were not a serious danger after all the example i gave is the type of bullshit that no doubt goes on regularly, and still no one has answered my question,
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Of course not but my point is the media frenzy which is being whipped up each time when the fact is these people were not a serious danger after all the example i gave is the type of bullshit that no doubt goes on regularly, and still no one has answered my question,
How do you know they weren't a serious danger? Is the idea of angry Muslims commiting terrorist attacks really that far fetched and hard to believe?
It doesn't take much sophistication to kill thousands of people, as a bunch of Arabs with box cutters proved on 9/11 and Timoth Mcveigh with a fertilizer bomb proved in Okalahoma City.
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I still want my answers, punk.
What answers? And why do I always answer your questions but you ignore mine?
What the fuck are you talking about...you NEVER answer my questions with anything except more questions. You are the most dodgy lil white boy on this board. I used to answer yours, but I don't anymore because you never answer mine.
And I still want my answers. Let me repeat the question - what is it you want us to believe ABOUT MUSLIMS by posting this article? Do not fail to answer me this time.
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It doesn't take much sophistication to kill thousands of people, as a bunch of Arabs with box cutters proved on 9/11
lol
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And I still want my answers. Let me repeat the question - what is it you want us to believe ABOUT MUSLIMS by posting this article? Do not fail to answer me this time.
I already answered your question up above. I am not telling you to believe anything about Muslims. All I am doing is posting articles about current events, and letting you guys make up your own minds.
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Real American why do you refuse to answer the question i posed??????????????????????
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And I still want my answers. Let me repeat the question - what is it you want us to believe ABOUT MUSLIMS by posting this article? Do not fail to answer me this time.
I already answered your question up above. I am not telling you to believe anything about Muslims. All I am doing is posting articles about current events, and letting you guys make up your own minds.
Sure you do...why is it that you are so obsessed with Muslims? Why is it that you feel a need to repeat something that has been widely reported in the news?
The answer should be obvious...but of course, PCness prevents you from answering.
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Real American why do you refuse to answer the question i posed??????????????????????
What question do you want answered?
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Sure you do...why is it that you are so obsessed with Muslims? Why is it that you feel a need to repeat something that has been widely reported in the news?
The answer should be obvious...but of course, PCness prevents you from answering.
I am not obsessed with Muslims. I posted the article because it needs to be discussed. The fact that America is starting to develop all these home grown terrorist groups is a serious issue.
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what is the difference between the aspirational stage of this and neocons calling for fallujah to be nuked following 4 u.s contractors getting killed?
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what is the difference between the aspirational stage of this and neocons calling for fallujah to be nuked following 4 u.s contractors getting killed?
This question makes no sense. What does one have to do with the other? And who are these neocons you speak of?
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It has everything to do with this in so far it seems to be almost acceptable or just "ott" to advocate nuking an entire city slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people when bear in mind the neocons basically influence all government policy making them extremely dangerous. Whereas the people in question here mention they want to commit bombings without the means the resources the money and the know how and yet these are the evil people the americans need to guard against. I have and I am sure many other people have heard the neocons advocate some truly despicable acts, i.e. using phosphorous weapons in fallujah which upon blast caramelises the skin is again somehow acceptable when you have crazy neocons putting forward the idea of nuking iran's bunkers you need to realise that evil lurks all too present at the centre of government. Unless of course this to you is perfectly normal behaviour, in which case its obvious you have been brainwashed.
Actually why did I just bother with that you will never bother responding with something constructive which addresses any of the things i mentioned.
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It has everything to do with this in so far it seems to be almost acceptable or just "ott" to advocate nuking an entire city slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people when bear in mind the neocons basically influence all government policy making them extremely dangerous. Whereas the people in question here mention they want to commit bombings without the means the resources the money and the know how and yet these are the evil people the americans need to guard against. I have and I am sure many other people have heard the neocons advocate some truly despicable acts, i.e. using phosphorous weapons in fallujah which upon blast caramelises the skin is again somehow acceptable when you have crazy neocons putting forward the idea of nuking iran's bunkers you need to realise that evil lurks all too present at the centre of government. Unless of course this to you is perfectly normal behaviour, in which case its obvious you have been brainwashed.
Actually why did I just bother with that you will never bother responding with something constructive which addresses any of the things i mentioned.
What are you rambling about, dude. No one is going to nuke Fallujah or Iran. I don't know where you come up with this stuff.
I don't know why you are downplaying the threat of terrorism. Obiously these people in Miami had the desire to commit some kind of attack and they were going out and seeking the means to do so.
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You are the most dodgy lil white boy on this board.
That title goes to Infinite.
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Sure you do...why is it that you are so obsessed with Muslims? Why is it that you feel a need to repeat something that has been widely reported in the news?
The answer should be obvious...but of course, PCness prevents you from answering.
I am not obsessed with Muslims. I posted the article because it needs to be discussed. The fact that America is starting to develop all these home grown terrorist groups is a serious issue.
But the conclusion you want us to reach from a discussion is that Muslims are a threat to America, correct?
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So your denying that it was never mentioned by the neocons the idea of nuking irans bunkers, even though on question time, which I guess is as close to a serious political debate as you are going to get in England the leader of the third main political party the Liberal Democrats even addressed this, you really need to get informed. As for downplaying terrorism, the intelligence services have infiltrated all of the serious terrorist groups and if they havent then Mossad have and if they havent MI6 have, hence the reason they had prior knowledge of september 11 or are you going to deny that also? Hey most people actually realise and will admit that they did indeed have prior knowledge of september 11 hence the warnings given not to fly on that day. Plus need I remind you september 11 was no ordinary day Norad stood down hence the reason why the skies were being patrolled as they usually are. I am trying to keep what im saying "non controversial" or are you going to deny that Norad stood down also?
So that then leaves us with bombings, bombings are nothing new the IRA carried out a wave of bombings, here is another fact for you those from the intelligence services who infiltrate these groups often find themselves carrying out the bombing itself, (the irony). BBC News Hard Talk interviewed an irish man working for the British government which infiltrated the IRA saying he actually carried out bombings sometimes he had to or it would have blown his cover but by becoming trusted he said that he was able to save hundreds of lives also by leaking information. So what I am saying is are there crazies? yes are there terrorist groups? yes are they infiltrated by the intelligence services? yes, do bombings happen? yes they have done so for hundreds of years. So what are you so shook about?
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Jon Stewart just blazed this topic.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/26/tds-the-miami-seven/
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Haha thanks for that link, now all the drones can crawl back under their rocks for a while