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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Rebel on June 24, 2006, 04:31:15 PM
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Yall know where to find it... do yall like this creative root Dre is taking?
I thought it was dope. Differrent for a Dre beat.. but creative and dope 8)
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I really like it, has that eastcoast vibe to it. Sounds simillar to Gunz Come Out just a lot better. Still its hard to tell with this wack radio rip. When CDQ comes out then we'll talk serious stuff ;)
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sounds alright something different but not amazing, the best recent dre is still outta control rmx by a long way imo. dont think that much to the vocals on this either, 50 cent doesn't come off well at all.
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whats this off of, i don't see it on blood money.
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if thats the direction dre is gonna go w/ detox, then its going to be CRAZY
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whats this off of, i don't see it on blood money.
It'll be released on the new G-Unit mixtape, Part 21.
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gotta wait for CDQ and then it will go in my car for the test. The bassline sounds like it will do my system justice....i'm not feeling mobb deep on it though
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i dont understand why dre wastes beats on all these people
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Its cool but I dont know after hearing H and P talk this beat up so much I was actually expecting something better. It's a good song but honestly I was expecting something better.
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sounds alright something different but not amazing, the best recent dre is still outta control rmx by a long way imo. dont think that much to the vocals on this either, 50 cent doesn't come off well at all.
i agree homie outta control rmx is the best beat dre has done for a long time and to me the best beat i heard for a while.
i like ths nightmares beat and to be honest i know Mobb will be hated in any event cos they sell outs but i think the song is pretty tight. this is definitely experimental for dre but experimental full stop? no. To me this does not sound particularly original. i don't follow their music but this could be a classier sort of refined beat that dipset would use (and other east coast cats). the sound is sort of between that and the mentally disturbed beat (which is much doper) dre did for six-two and doc a few years back.
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that beat is defenitley a new departure for dre but i think he should stick to his original style ochestral piano and all the shit he was doing before it just sounds way better, nightmares is a decent beat but is lacking that bounce that dre usually has in his beats like straight westcoast by knoc, chronic 01, game beats, get rich or die tryin beats
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Good beat not great though sounds like Havoc had something to do with the beat maybe?
Not CDQ but really good quality version:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A2730C0D2F1CA6FE
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its somethin different from Dre but the beat works.
should have gave it to someone else tho
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i dont understand why dre wastes beats on all these people
money speaks a different language to ours.
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not impressed
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i thought this forum was on that gangsta shit ? why dont you all like it ? beats dope, hard track..
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Havoc and 50 did this beat justice, P on the other hand is bleh.
I hope Havoc has a verse on Detox
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not impressed
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dunno man... i wasnt impressed.... g unit's promo trix r becoming boring..
they keep hyping up a track big time.. and ends up sounding normal
i will judge when the cdq comes out, dont think its gonna change much htough
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i don't think the beat is anything special. not bad, but not amazing for dre and certainly not detox material. personally, its the type and quality of dre beat id expect g-unit to be on.
Havoc and 50 did this beat justice, P on the other hand is bleh.
I hope Havoc has a verse on Detox
i dont. keep it friends-only. doc skits, lots of snoop, death row peeps, even some eminem.
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nothing special imo,
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nothing special imo,
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i don't think the beat is anything special. not bad, but not amazing for dre and certainly not detox material. personally, its the type and quality of dre beat id expect g-unit to be on.
Havoc and 50 did this beat justice, P on the other hand is bleh.
I hope Havoc has a verse on Detox
i dont. keep it friends-only. doc skits, lots of snoop, death row peeps, even some eminem.
Who Daz and Kurupt ? lol
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
props for the better quality
i'm not impressesed...id rather not have detox that detox with beats like this
peace
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
fuckin props bro..you sick for this one
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
Thanks.
I don't like it. :-X
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
Thanks.
I don't like it. :-X
why not ? give it some spins
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It's nothing special...
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Better quality, no dj. This is fire 8)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A1896B844094BC13
Propz
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thanks for the better quality, doesn't sound much better though. i go outside for some fresh air maybe.
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too bad this wasn't on the album. "Blood Money" would've had 1 good song.
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lol, those hi-hats suck big time - making me nervous
fuck this beat, i can produce better than this
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this weak is pretty weak.... i cant believe dre produced it
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How can you not like this ? If its because it has an eastcoast vibe then ok. Other than that I see no other reason.
Sounds like Havoc co-produced it. Vintage eastcoast beat 8)
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How can you not like this ? If its because it has an eastcoast vibe then ok. Other than that I see no other reason.
Sounds like Havoc co-produced it. Vintage eastcoast beat 8)
Hey, it's a nice song, but don't act like it's an incredible track, lol
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How can you not like this ? If its because it has an eastcoast vibe then ok. Other than that I see no other reason.
Sounds like Havoc co-produced it. Vintage eastcoast beat 8)
Hey, it's a nice song, but don't act like it's an incredible track, lol
50 could fart and record it, and this dude would think it was dope. This track is wack, simple and plain.
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How can you not like this ? If its because it has an eastcoast vibe then ok. Other than that I see no other reason.
Sounds like Havoc co-produced it. Vintage eastcoast beat 8)
Hey, it's a nice song, but don't act like it's an incredible track, lol
50 could fart and record it, and this dude would think it was dope. This track is wack, simple and plain.
Good one.
Someone is getting butt hurt. I think the problem is that you hate 50 :-X
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How can you not like this ? If its because it has an eastcoast vibe then ok. Other than that I see no other reason.
Sounds like Havoc co-produced it. Vintage eastcoast beat 8)
Hey, it's a nice song, but don't act like it's an incredible track, lol
50 could fart and record it, and this dude would think it was dope. This track is wack, simple and plain.
Good one.
Someone is getting butt hurt. I think the problem is that you hate 50 :-X
Nah, that's easily one of the worst Dre beats i've heard in a while
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Nah, that's easily one of the worst Dre beats i've heard in a while
Actually, the worst Dre beat I've heard recently is "Talk About Me" from "GRODT" soundtrack. He doesn't send 50 a lot of good beats these days, I'll give you that.
This beat, on the other hand, is actually pretty good, although it could've used some more variety in its instrumention and it would've sounded more cinematic like Dre's best work. It's just a little too simple.
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For homework I want all of you 50 haters to write down five 50 Cent songs you like.
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i don't think the beat is anything special. not bad, but not amazing for dre and certainly not detox material. personally, its the type and quality of dre beat id expect g-unit to be on.
Havoc and 50 did this beat justice, P on the other hand is bleh.
I hope Havoc has a verse on Detox
i dont. keep it friends-only. doc skits, lots of snoop, death row peeps, even some eminem.
Who Daz and Kurupt ? lol
i was thinking more rbx/rage when i wrote that. those guys fell off bad i know, but i wouldn't mind a reunion track or something. i'm sure kurupt wouldn't fuck around if it was detox.
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Someone is getting butt hurt. I think the problem is that you hate 50 :-X
why do you say that everytime someone doesn't like a 50 cent song? maybe they just don't like the song. not everyone is against your hero.
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that's easily one of the worst Dre beats i've heard in a while
it's an average beat
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beat is too repetitive imo, still nothing special.. lol at this beat making the cut for Detox :-X
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i dont like it
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Someone is getting butt hurt. I think the problem is that you hate 50 :-X
why do you say that everytime someone doesn't like a 50 cent song? maybe they just don't like the song. not everyone is against your hero.
Not you again. You are the least objective person to comment to this, since we all know what youre feelings are towards Game. Once again, Jome proved what a Game groupie you are so no need to talk with you.
I was saying that to Jrome becuase he always has his bullshit theorys how 50 Cent is fucking up his whole roster, Dre and everybodys mama. Thats it.
And btw 50 aint even in my top 5. This forum hates him so much though becuase of the beef with Game, someone just has to be here and prove that he is an idiot but way more talented then Game. My karma dropped like a motherfucker when I started doing that which just proves me right about what I said earlier. :P
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^^^^^ Exactly what I'm saying. And I'm willing to bet that 99% of the 50 Cent haters/Game dickriders on this board bought or downloaded "Get Rich Or Die Tryin" when it first came out and were actually feeling it. Shit, I'm willing to bet most of them were bumping G-Unit records regularly before 50 started beefing with Game.
This is, of course, a perfect example of why hip-hop fans tend to be followers and not leaders.
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Not impressed. It's a good beat, but not a Dre quality beat. I doubt he cares about that, though, he's just trying different stuff now.
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Someone is getting butt hurt. I think the problem is that you hate 50 :-X
why do you say that everytime someone doesn't like a 50 cent song? maybe they just don't like the song. not everyone is against your hero.
Not you again. You are the least objective person to comment to this, since we all know what youre feelings are towards Game. Once again, Jome proved what a Game groupie you are so no need to talk with you.
I was saying that to Jrome becuase he always has his bullshit theorys how 50 Cent is fucking up his whole roster, Dre and everybodys mama. Thats it.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
^^^^^ Exactly what I'm saying. And I'm willing to bet that 99% of the 50 Cent haters/Game dickriders on this board bought or downloaded "Get Rich Or Die Tryin" when it first came out and were actually feeling it. Shit, I'm willing to bet most of them were bumping G-Unit records regularly before 50 started beefing with Game.
This is, of course, a perfect example of why hip-hop fans tend to be followers and not leaders.
Not saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.
I thought GRODT was a good album, that got numerous spins by me for a long time. In fact, there are some dope songs on there that I'll still proudly bump today (I still think "Many Men" is dope as hell). I've never purchased anything with Game's name on it - I didn't like him as a rapper, i thought he was pretty average (when Documentary dropped). However, after hearing his mixtapes and hearing some real skill, dope flow, and presence on the mic has slowly got me to the point that i'll check for his verses. I'd be a lot more interested in him if he'd leave this retarded beef alone.
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Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid.
So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang becuase of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
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I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
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Ive been bumping Gunz Come Out today and I must say this track is great. I was wrong when I said beat wise Nightmares is better than Gunz Come out( perhaps becuase it aint cdq though). This Nightmares beat sounded great at first but got really dull soon. But I will wait for CDQ for my final opinion.
Gunz Come Out is a great song. And people say 50 doesnt sound good over Dre beats. He ripped this one.
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nah i aint diggin it, at first listen i thought it was different then it sounded repetitive with no depth, i cant believe dre did this, this could of at least made the album lol
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Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid.
So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.
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Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid.
So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.
Well, thats the state the music is in nowadays. Do I like it ? No. But it aint gonna change for a while. So as long as you wont accept it, youre gonna be bitter about everything like you are now.
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Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid.
So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.
Well, thats the state the music is in nowadays. Do I like it ? No. But it aint gonna change for a while. So as long as you wont accept it, youre gonna be bitter about everything like you are now.
WOW. What kind of idiot happily supports ideals that he doesn't agree with? Actually, save the ounce of credibility you have left and don't reply.
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Not saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.
That's your definition of a hater. Not that I'm saying you are a hater, but you do have a certain type of bias, and I think you know it as well as I do.
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
Jrome, how old are YOU? You've never struck me as being all that old or wise yourself...certainly, the way you talk, you weren't a child of the Golden Age like I was.
What do you mean, there was a time when hip-hop heads used to criticize artists for releasing songs "for the ladies"? When LL Cool J put out "I Need Love", cats were still respecting him cause he battled with Kool Moe Dee and Ice-T and showed he was a vicious battle rapper. And when Biggie put out "Big Poppa", wasn't anybody calling him a "sellout". Songs for the clubs, for the ladies, whatever...that shit has ALWAYS been a part of hip-hop. And why wouldn't they make songs like that? You think rappers only started doing it because Mr. Jewish Label Exec said so, and not cause they really just like fucking hotties (like everyone else who's hetero)? If you can market yourself to women, then why the fuck not? Get more money, get more pussy...sounds good to me.
I've always thought the whole concern with "real" vs. "fake" emerged was when Vanilla Ice came out - and then it was mostly just the white suburban kids getting upset because they realized they had supported an artist who didn't have the "streets'" seal of approval. 99% of the time when a rapper gets criticized for being "fake" or "soft" or whatever, it's because the white kids are trying to fit in and they think that criticizing mainstream artists lets them do just that. 50 Cent is just the latest rapper to get hit by this trend - as soon as the newest, uber-gangsta rapper comes along who criticizes him (Game), the white kids are quick to jump on the latest gangsta nigga's dick because if he's perceived as street-credible, they think they've got street cred themselves.
So please, don't talk about an era which you obviously never experienced yourself.
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Not saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.
I thought GRODT was a good album, that got numerous spins by me for a long time. In fact, there are some dope songs on there that I'll still proudly bump today (I still think "Many Men" is dope as hell). I've never purchased anything with Game's name on it - I didn't like him as a rapper, i thought he was pretty average (when Documentary dropped). However, after hearing his mixtapes and hearing some real skill, dope flow, and presence on the mic has slowly got me to the point that i'll check for his verses. I'd be a lot more interested in him if he'd leave this retarded beef alone.
That's your definition of a hater. Not that I'm saying you are a hater, but you do have a certain type of bias, and I think you know it as well as I do.
What is your definition of a hater? And i'll admit I have a bias against wack music. Is that what you're referring to?
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What is your definition of a hater? And i'll admit I have a bias against wack music. Is that what you're referring to?
Hater = Anyone who has a certain negative bias against an artist. You may not absolutely hate 50, but you are inclined to be more critical of him than of rappers who do the same shit he does (but aren't as successful at it).
Like the fact that 50's music may not be "Illmatic" or "Doggystyle" quality, but anyone with common sense (i.e. the music journalists who review his albums) knows that he still does thug-pop shit better than 90% of the rappers out there. Which is how he got to be on top in the first place.
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What is your definition of a hater? And i'll admit I have a bias against wack music. Is that what you're referring to?
Hater = Anyone who has a certain negative bias against an artist. You may not absolutely hate 50, but you are inclined to be more critical of him than of rappers who do the same shit he does (but aren't as successful at it).
Like the fact that 50's music may not be "Illmatic" or "Doggystyle" quality, but anyone with common sense (i.e. the music journalists who review his albums) knows that he still does thug-pop shit better than 90% of the rappers out there. Which is how he got to be on top in the first place.
See thats the thing - I don't think he's that good at the thug-pop shit anymore. I think he had the right balance on GRODT, but I think he went overboard with The Massacre. I think he reduced himself to focusing solely on overly-simplistic, catchy ass hooks and melodies rather than dropping verses that i'd try an memorize like I do with the thousands of other songs that I own. At least on the GRODT singles he still maintained a semblance of lyricism & wit. 50 knew that when it was time for Massacre to drop, he could half ass it and it would still go 5x platinum, simply off the strength of his name. Well, in my opinion he half assed it too much and now its catching up to him. Getting 50 on a song no longer means it will be #1 like it did a year and a half ago. He def needs to go back and start putting a little substance back into his music because at this stage it's very disposable.
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See thats the thing - I don't think he's that good at the thug-pop shit anymore. I think he had the right balance on GRODT, but I think he went overboard with The Massacre. I think he reduced himself to focusing solely on overly-simplistic, catchy ass hooks and melodies rather than dropping verses that i'd try an memorize like I do with the thousands of other songs that I own. At least on the GRODT singles he still maintained a semblance of lyricism & wit. 50 knew that when it was time for Massacre to drop, he could half ass it and it would still go 5x platinum, simply off the strength of his name. Well, in my opinion he half assed it too much and now its catching up to him. Getting 50 on a song no longer means it will be #1 like it did a year and a half ago. He def needs to go back and start putting a little substance back into his music because at this stage it's very disposable.
"The Massacre" was a medicore album. I did not buy it. And he did get a little lazy. I won't deny any of that.
But the fact is, 50 at his laziest is still far from "wack", and he still does enough good work that I can usually keep listening to his stuff - the "GRODT" soundtrack had some good songs and shows he hasn't lost it COMPLETELY. His problem now is oversaturation - people are getting sick of him being on TV and radio so much. Maybe he deserves it, maybe not, but he doesn't deserve to be called wack and get hated on as much as he is.
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Nice...
Love the feel, Kinda like a space vibe, 8)
Hook up the Snoop version?
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Not saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.
That's your definition of a hater. Not that I'm saying you are a hater, but you do have a certain type of bias, and I think you know it as well as I do.
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
Jrome, how old are YOU? You've never struck me as being all that old or wise yourself...certainly, the way you talk, you weren't a child of the Golden Age like I was.
What do you mean, there was a time when hip-hop heads used to criticize artists for releasing songs "for the ladies"? When LL Cool J put out "I Need Love", cats were still respecting him cause he battled with Kool Moe Dee and Ice-T and showed he was a vicious battle rapper. And when Biggie put out "Big Poppa", wasn't anybody calling him a "sellout". Songs for the clubs, for the ladies, whatever...that shit has ALWAYS been a part of hip-hop. And why wouldn't they make songs like that? You think rappers only started doing it because Mr. Jewish Label Exec said so, and not cause they really just like fucking hotties (like everyone else who's hetero)? If you can market yourself to women, then why the fuck not? Get more money, get more pussy...sounds good to me.
I've always thought the whole concern with "real" vs. "fake" emerged was when Vanilla Ice came out - and then it was mostly just the white suburban kids getting upset because they realized they had supported an artist who didn't have the "streets'" seal of approval. 99% of the time when a rapper gets criticized for being "fake" or "soft" or whatever, it's because the white kids are trying to fit in and they think that criticizing mainstream artists lets them do just that. 50 Cent is just the latest rapper to get hit by this trend - as soon as the newest, uber-gangsta rapper comes along who criticizes him (Game), the white kids are quick to jump on the latest gangsta nigga's dick because if he's perceived as street-credible, they think they've got street cred themselves.
So please, don't talk about an era which you obviously never experienced yourself.
Damn, did you modify this post? I didn't see the all the other stuff outside of what I originally quoted and posted. Maybe I just overlooked it...
But just so you know i'm not ducking it, i'll reply. Yes, there have been songs about / for the ladies since way back in the day. My point was that MC's back then didn't sell their soul to do it. Take Big Daddy Kane - he could do the illest shit like "Set It Off" and could turn around and do shit like "The Day You're Mine", "Smooth Operator", or "Children R the Future". That was all part of his arsenal. But regardless of the subject matter, he was still one of the illest MC's ever. He didn't sacrifice his art when he made these songs - and that made them even better. If you don't see the difference between that and "Just A Lil Bit" by 50 then there's no point in furthering this conversation.
LL, Slick Rick, Heavy D, Tribe, Pete Rock & CL, even fuckin Candyman. They all made songs for the ladies but still stayed true to the art.
And you keep mentioning street cred, which I agree with you on. But in none of my threads do I mention a rapper's street cred. If I use the word "credibility" when discussing an artist, i'm referring to artistic credibility. Not whether they get respect in their hood.
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Damn, did you modify this post? I didn't see the all the other stuff outside of what I originally quoted and posted. Maybe I just overlooked it...
Yes, I modified my post while you were quoting the original version.
But just so you know i'm not ducking it, i'll reply. Yes, there have been songs about / for the ladies since way back in the day. My point was that MC's back then didn't sell their soul to do it. Take Big Daddy Kane - he could do the illest shit like "Set It Off" and could turn around and do shit like "The Day You're Mine", "Smooth Operator", or "Children R the Future". That was all part of his arsenal. But regardless of the subject matter, he was still one of the illest MC's ever. He didn't sacrifice his art when he made these songs - and that made them even better. If you don't see the difference between that and "Just A Lil Bit" by 50 then there's no point in furthering this conversation.
LL, Slick Rick, Heavy D, Tribe, Pete Rock & CL, even fuckin Candyman. They all made songs for the ladies but still stayed true to the art.
But see, this is the problem...what constitutes "selling one's soul"? This is still based on an assumption that no self-respecting hip-hop artist would be doing the tracks you hear on the radio unless somebody else made them do it. In the case of 50 Cent, how did he sell his soul? Are you saying that he never did club tracks/love songs before he became popular? You know as well as I do that the first single off "Power of the Dollar" was supposed to be "Thug Love" with Beyonce before the album got shelved. Placing 50 Cent in the same category as Big Diddy Kane or Slick Rick is equally absurd simply because 50 ain't the same type of rapper as them. The point is, 50 has found his niche doing the kind of music he does, and you may not feel it (and I don't always feel it either), but if he finds something he's good at, why does he have to get hated on for it?
But to me, it's no more unreasonable for 50 to do "Candy Shop" than for Biggie to do "Big Poppa" (and you are not likely to catch me listening to either of those songs - I usually skip "Big Poppa" when I listen to "Ready to Die"). Biggie did smooth player shit, 50 does smooth player shit today. It ain't my kinda music, but they did it well and they made themselves dough doing it. Good for them.
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Nice...
Love the feel, Kinda like a space vibe, 8)
Hook up the Snoop version?
Yeah! The Snoop track "nightmares" is the shit
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Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid.
So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable.
Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.
Well, thats the state the music is in nowadays. Do I like it ? No. But it aint gonna change for a while. So as long as you wont accept it, youre gonna be bitter about everything like you are now.
WOW. What kind of idiot happily supports ideals that he doesn't agree with? Actually, save the ounce of credibility you have left and don't reply.
Ok mother. Well keep being that depressed litlle kid you are, always complaining about everything. Dont forget to smile once a month :monkey_dance2:
BTW im 19. I may not know about the music as much as you do, but Ive seen you get owned by 2 Mothafucking Xtra 4 Cali so many times, that I might as well ask you how old are you ?
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I'm not feelin this beat at all. probably one of the worse dre beats so far
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beat was boo boo, the hook ok, versus ok... overall a 5. Dre must of been hung over when he laced that beat... 8)
IM STILL BUMPING MY MUSIC
www.myspace.com/hectic
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I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
No way, candy shop had a better beat and was lisenable, yall like it, but I love my bitch is aweful in every way.
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Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses
fuckin Jrome, we think alike
LOL @ the Black Panther dude, "50 Cent at his laziest is far from wack"
are you fuckin kidding me, ever heard "Just a Lil Bit" ........
guy probably wrote it in 5 minutes and laughed at the morons who were gonna eat it up
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LOL @ the Black Panther dude, "50 Cent at his laziest is far from wack"
are you fuckin kidding me, ever heard "Just a Lil Bit" ........
guy probably wrote it in 5 minutes and laughed at the morons who were gonna eat it up
Who's a Black Panther? Of course you're gonna agree with Jrome just because you still think I really hate crack...err, white people.
I don't like "Just A Lil Bit", but "The Massacre" still had plenty of tracks that were good for what they were.
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hahah, ya I agree with Jrome cause he's white :laugh: what a dumbass
ok, so "The Massacre" had some okay tracks, but 50 at his laziest isn't tight, now don't say dumb shit anymore
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I thought it was meh.
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hahah, ya I agree with Jrome cause he's white :laugh: what a dumbass
ok, so "The Massacre" had some okay tracks, but 50 at his laziest isn't tight, now don't say dumb shit anymore
I didn't say cause he was white, I said cause you think I actually hate white people. I remember all those comments you left me.
And yeah, "The Massacre" is still better than most mainstream albums. Stop putting words into my mouth.
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Damn, did you modify this post? I didn't see the all the other stuff outside of what I originally quoted and posted. Maybe I just overlooked it...
Yes, I modified my post while you were quoting the original version.
But just so you know i'm not ducking it, i'll reply. Yes, there have been songs about / for the ladies since way back in the day. My point was that MC's back then didn't sell their soul to do it. Take Big Daddy Kane - he could do the illest shit like "Set It Off" and could turn around and do shit like "The Day You're Mine", "Smooth Operator", or "Children R the Future". That was all part of his arsenal. But regardless of the subject matter, he was still one of the illest MC's ever. He didn't sacrifice his art when he made these songs - and that made them even better. If you don't see the difference between that and "Just A Lil Bit" by 50 then there's no point in furthering this conversation.
LL, Slick Rick, Heavy D, Tribe, Pete Rock & CL, even fuckin Candyman. They all made songs for the ladies but still stayed true to the art.
But see, this is the problem...what constitutes "selling one's soul"? This is still based on an assumption that no self-respecting hip-hop artist would be doing the tracks you hear on the radio unless somebody else made them do it. In the case of 50 Cent, how did he sell his soul? Are you saying that he never did club tracks/love songs before he became popular? You know as well as I do that the first single off "Power of the Dollar" was supposed to be "Thug Love" with Beyonce before the album got shelved. Placing 50 Cent in the same category as Big Diddy Kane or Slick Rick is equally absurd simply because 50 ain't the same type of rapper as them. The point is, 50 has found his niche doing the kind of music he does, and you may not feel it (and I don't always feel it either), but if he finds something he's good at, why does he have to get hated on for it?
But to me, it's no more unreasonable for 50 to do "Candy Shop" than for Biggie to do "Big Poppa" (and you are not likely to catch me listening to either of those songs - I usually skip "Big Poppa" when I listen to "Ready to Die"). Biggie did smooth player shit, 50 does smooth player shit today. It ain't my kinda music, but they did it well and they made themselves dough doing it. Good for them.
LOL, we can't compare 50 to Big Daddy Kane or Slick Rick, but we can compare him to LL? You're killing me dog. They're all hip hop artists right? They all made "tracks for the ladies". You can't disqualify the comparison just because it proves your arguement holds no water (but it was a good try).
And you're beginning to take the arguement in circles. We're going back to why 50 gets hated on...You conceded that I don't hate 50, but yet you keep asking why he gets hated on. I don't hate dude, I don't know dude. I do know, that he has put out wack ass music lately, and I don't support it. And for the record, I'll usually skip Big Poppa as well...but it's only because i've heard that song so many times, not because it's wack. And go ahead and put that in the same category as Candy Shop, but Candy Shop will NEVER be regarded as a classic like Big Poppa is. If you think it is/will be, then I can do nothing but :grumpy:
And there you go with admitting you don't like the music, but hey AT LEAST THEY GOT PAID! You're discussing the business aspect, i'm discussing the artistic aspect. I guess you're a fan of a guy like David Allen Coe (go google him) too huh? He's a country artist from back in the day that basically made a living making songs talking about "killing and hanging niggers". Yeah, it's not YOUR kind of shit, but hey he was good at it, and made some dough at it. GOOD FOR HIM!
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LOL, we can't compare 50 to Big Daddy Kane or Slick Rick, but we can compare him to LL? You're killing me dog. They're all hip hop artists right? They all made "tracks for the ladies". You can't disqualify the comparison just because it proves your arguement holds no water (but it was a good try).
Haha, I like your self-assured tone, but don't get overconfident cause I ain't done with you yet, young blood.
Anyway, yes, it is much harder to compare 50 to Kane or Rick, but you can compare him more readily to LL. Why? Because there is a legitimate comparison to make there, which is that they both found their niche doing tracks for ladies while simultaneously doing tough-guy B-boy posturing. Both Kane and Rick may have tried the player shit as well and had hits with it, but they had their niches more in Afrocentrism (in Kane's case) and storytelling (Slick Rick's case).
To make my point simpler, I'll just say that 50 has found his niche doing what he does, and those cats found their niche doing what they do. I can't fault anyone for finding something they're good at and sticking to it if it works for them.
And you're beginning to take the arguement in circles. We're going back to why 50 gets hated on...You conceded that I don't hate 50, but yet you keep asking why he gets hated on. I don't hate dude, I don't know dude. I do know, that he has put out wack ass music lately, and I don't support it. And for the record, I'll usually skip Big Poppa as well...but it's only because i've heard that song so many times, not because it's wack. And go ahead and put that in the same category as Candy Shop, but Candy Shop will NEVER be regarded as a classic like Big Poppa is. If you think it is/will be, then I can do nothing but :grumpy:
You may not hate 50, period, but you do say that you hate on his music. My argument is that his music is not as "wack" as you want me to believe.
"Candy Shop" a classic? I dunno, time will tell, but 12 years ago, I would've never expected "Big Poppa" to become a classic either. I liked Biggie's music (in spite of my tendency to sleep on most of the East Coast back then), but I honestly didn't regard him as one of the greatest hip-hop artists alive, and I don't think many other cats at that time did either (and maybe his death had something to do with that, since hip-hop has always had a tendency to deify its fallen soldiers). However, I think that whether or not you believe it, it is true that 50 Cent will be remembered as an important artist in hip-hop history. Of course, whether or not he'll go out on a positive or negative note remains to be seen.
And there you go with admitting you don't like the music, but hey AT LEAST THEY GOT PAID! You're discussing the business aspect, i'm discussing the artistic aspect. I guess you're a fan of a guy like David Allen Coe (go google him) too huh? He's a country artist from back in the day that basically made a living making songs talking about "killing and hanging niggers". Yeah, it's not YOU'RE kind of shit, but hey he was good at it, and made some dough at it. GOOD FOR HIM!
I'm discussing BOTH business and artistry, since (contrary to popular belief), those are more closely related than you seem to believe. The mainstream may not be the best judge of good music, but generally speaking, I believe that if an artist manages to stay relevent for a long period of time in the music world, it proves that they have some intrinsic value beyond just catchy melodies and hooks or an album cover that makes white girls' pussies get wet. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's not good...that seems to be a concept you have never grasped. Just like when you insisted to me that "Outta Control" should have done better on the charts than "Candy Shop" because YOU said so.
And as far as David Allen Coe goes, I care less. Plenty of rappers (especially Ice Cube) have made lyrics where they talk about "bucking tha devil" and they got away with it, so I ain't about to perpetuate a double-standard by saying white musicians don't get freedom of speech simply for singing about something I don't like. So yeah, good for David Allen Coe, good for Cube, whatever. If they make racist music but it sounds good and reasonates with people, more power to them.