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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on August 28, 2006, 04:32:55 PM

Title: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: M Dogg™ on August 28, 2006, 04:32:55 PM

This country sems to ge crazier and crazier with each passing day. This latest onslaught comes from talk show host Pat Buchannon who finds a way to blame Hip Hop fo th reasons Latins have not quite assimilated....This is a good example of lunacy gone wild... If you feel like respondeing, please post up on my blog at Davey D's Blog


Buchanan: Hispanic Immigrants Not Assimilating Into America Because They Embrace Rap Culture.

The media is lavishing attention on Pat Buchanan and his new book that argues that whites are the only race with the genetic endowments to prevent America from collapsing.

Yesterday on Hannity and Colmes, Pat Buchanan asserted that Hispanic immigrants were not assimilated into America because they were adopting rap culture. Watch it:

Rap music, according to the U.S. State Department, is an original American art form. It has its roots, however, in African-American culture, not white culture. For Buchanan, apparently, that means its un-American.

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Transcript:

BECKEL: Pat, you say in the Hispanic culture in the Southwest it is a culture that will take over the Southwest and essentially make the Southwest of the United States part of America but not really part of America. Let me ask you this the Irish and Italian came to New York and brought their culture here. Eastern Europeans went to the north-northwest part of the Midwest, the Germans and Scottish went to the Appalachians and brought their culture with them. Whats different?

BUCHANAN: One thing thats different in the year 2050 there will be 102 million people of Hispanic descent, primarily Mexican, wholly concentrated in the American Southwest. Thats one thing. The second thing is Mexicans, unlike Irish or German folks, never claimed America as their country. They owned it. 58% of Mexicans believe the southwest belongs to them. The third thing is, they were assimilated. There powerful assimilation movement in this country that does not exist right now and in so the point of the thing is, they are not assimilated into America. Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 04:36:42 PM
everybody hates mexicans, i cant even choose which ethnicity hates them the most because ive heard the rants from everyone. are you trying to attack cwalker, pat buchanan, or convince us mexicans are higher on the tier of acceptance in hip hop than whites? speak ingles goddamnit orale!
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
What is Buchannan saying that is not true?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Javier on August 28, 2006, 04:42:36 PM
If you're feeling the Hip-Hop culture, you're not really an American.  Got it. 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 04:43:46 PM
Was it Buchannan saying that is not true?

More like...what he is NOT saying.

Why is that whenever devils...err, white conservatives...criticize hip-hop culture, they always talk about it like it's only blacks who embrace it?  They act as if 80% of hip-hop record sales aren't to white teenagers in the suburbs.  If white kids are also embracing hip-hop culture (and dig the gangster image) in such large numbers, what does that say about them?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Javier on August 28, 2006, 04:44:16 PM
Was it Buchannan saying that is not true?

More like...what he is NOT saying.

Why is that whenever devils...err, white conservatives...criticize hip-hop culture, they always talk about it like it's only blacks who embrace it?  They act as if 80% of hip-hop record sales aren't to white teenagers in the suburbs.  If white kids are also embracing hip-hop culture (and dig the gangster image) in such large numbers, what does that say about them?

They're not true americans. 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 04:46:29 PM
lol at you guys trying to make points with your funny wording. I am a true American, I love hip hop, I hate the government. thats 80% of white kids for ya
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Javier on August 28, 2006, 04:47:52 PM
lol at you guys trying to make points with your funny wording. I am a true American, I love hip hop, I hate the government. thats 80% of white kids for ya


How about you join us in laughing at Pat then. 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 04:51:59 PM
lol at you guys trying to make points with your funny wording. I am a true American, I love hip hop, I hate the government. thats 80% of white kids for ya


How about you join us in laughing at Pat then. 

well, since you said so, muahaha pat buchanan is like a paranoid white ras kass, this guys all washed up about American culture, afraid its gonna decline with the increasing blending of races, what a jerk off. im looking forward to it because that just means more and more beautiful babies with nice genes....we just gotta do something about the fact that a lot of beautiful breeders are dumb
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 04:58:47 PM

Why is that whenever devils...err, white conservatives...criticize hip-hop culture, they always talk about it like it's only blacks who embrace it?  They act as if 80% of hip-hop record sales aren't to white teenagers in the suburbs.  If white kids are also embracing hip-hop culture (and dig the gangster image) in such large numbers, what does that say about them?

Are you going to sit there and deny that hip hop puts out horrible imagery for young, impressionable children? The sex, violence, misogeny, drugs, contempt for authority......you think that is good for kids?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Javier on August 28, 2006, 05:03:03 PM

Why is that whenever devils...err, white conservatives...criticize hip-hop culture, they always talk about it like it's only blacks who embrace it?  They act as if 80% of hip-hop record sales aren't to white teenagers in the suburbs.  If white kids are also embracing hip-hop culture (and dig the gangster image) in such large numbers, what does that say about them?

Are you going to sit there and deny that hip hop puts out horrible imagery for young, impressionable children? The sex, violence, misogeny, drugs, content for authority......you think that is good for kids?

What does any of that have to do with kids? Pat Buchanan is talking about American Culture vs Hip Hop Culture. 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:08:05 PM


What does any of that have to do with kids? Pat Buchanan is talking about American Culture vs Hip Hop Culture. 

Hiop hop culture is the lowest form of American culture. Unfortunately hip hop is very popular and is undermining traditional American values.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:10:07 PM
Are you going to sit there and deny that hip hop puts out horrible imagery for young, impressionable children? The sex, violence, misogeny, drugs, contempt for authority......you think that is good for kids?

That's beside the point, which obviously went over your head.

Hiop hop culture is the lowest form of American culture. Unfortunately hip hop is very popular and is undermining traditional American values.

And yet you listen to it.  Why is that?  You have yet to answer that question even though I have asked you repeatedly.  Don't be dodgy this time.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on August 28, 2006, 05:11:15 PM
Why is that whenever devils...err, white conservatives...criticize hip-hop culture, they always talk about it like it's only blacks who embrace it?  They act as if 80% of hip-hop record sales aren't to white teenagers in the suburbs.  If white kids are also embracing hip-hop culture (and dig the gangster image) in such large numbers, what does that say about them?
Actually the reason these conservatives go crazy over hip hop is because white people are embracing it. Back in the day when hip hop was geared only towards Blacks you didn't see as many conservatives talking about it. Then in the late 80's when it became more and more popular they went crazy when white kids were buying The Chronic and such.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:11:30 PM

And yet you listen to it.  Why is that?  You have yet to answer that question even though I have asked you repeatedly.  Don't be dodgy this time.

White kids are the ones who buy the biggest share of rap music. I don't think anyone is going to deny that.

Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Javier on August 28, 2006, 05:12:21 PM
The Lowest Form of a Real American lost this debate. 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:14:41 PM

White kids are the ones who buy the biggest share of rap music. I don't think anyone is going to deny that.

LOL, can you not read or something?  Answer the question: Why is it that YOU (the devil named Real American) listen to hip-hop music if you don't like the fact that it's "undermining traditional American values"?

Shit, while I'm at it...why did you decide to name yourself after a gang ritual (CWalker) that has been spread to the suburbs by rappers?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
Actually the reason these conservatives go crazy over hip hop is because white people are embracing it. Back in the day when hip hop was geared only towards Blacks you didn't see as many conservatives talking about it. Then in the late 80's when it became more and more popular they went crazy when white kids were buying The Chronic and such.

Indeed, that's true.  But conservatives never ask themselves - why is it that this is the case?  If white kids dig the gangster image as much as black/Latino kids, what does that say about them?

Even more important, conservatives never bother to mention the fact that WHITE gangster movies (i.e. "Angels With Dirty Faces", "The Godfather", "Goodfellas") have been huge influences upon hip-hop and are commonly referenced in rap songs.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 05:22:24 PM
^im sure the shadowy devil illuminati supports hip hop and they just use puppets to hide their secret agenda for keeping black people coonish
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:26:57 PM
^im sure the shadowy devil illuminati supports hip hop and they just use puppets to hide their secret agenda for keeping black people coonish

Wrong group...Illuminati are anti-religion.  I'm talking about the religious right here.  Those are the devils who will be targeted by my revolution when the time comes.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:30:21 PM

LOL, can you not read or something?  Answer the question: Why is it that YOU (the devil named Real American) listen to hip-hop music if you don't like the fact that it's "undermining traditional American values"?

Shit, while I'm at it...why did you decide to name yourself after a gang ritual (CWalker) that has been spread to the suburbs by rappers?

I listen to rap music because I like the way it sounds. I like the beats and the lyrics. That doesn't mean I approve of the violence, the sex, the misogny, etc.

Fortunately I am an adult and I know the difference between right and wrong. So the music is just entertainment to me. But alot of kids are not so lucky. They are young and impressionable and might come from bad homes where they don't have alot of values and morals instilled in them. That is where hip hop becomes dangerous....because they might be raised by rap videos instead of a mom and dad. So they grow up thinking sex and violence are cool and that it is Ok to degrade women because that is what they see everyday on BET.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 05:30:39 PM
^im sure the shadowy devil illuminati supports hip hop and they just use puppets to hide their secret agenda for keeping black people coonish

Wrong group...Illuminati are anti-religion.  I'm talking about the religious right here.  Those are the devils who will be targeted by my revolution when the time comes.

is it the wrong group brother? or have you fallen for more white trickery, search the highest pinnacle of evilness and you will find white shadow, hitting you with contradictory propaganda to give you the illusion you have a choice in your ways of thinking
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:38:47 PM
I listen to rap music because I like the way it sounds. I like the beats and the lyrics. That doesn't mean I approve of the violence, the sex, the misogny, etc.

I don't know what your favorite rappers are (since you almost never post about music), but I've seen you talk about cats like Game and Xzibit before, which suggests to me that those are the kinds of rappers you listen to.  If you don't approve of violence and misogyny, you need to stop listening to Game and listen to something that isn't "undermining American values".  There is a such thing as Christian rap, ya know?  Not to mention plenty of other non-gangsta rappers.  You are still a hypocrite if you're listening to gangsta rap when it contradicts your values and you could be listening to something else.

Fortunately I am an adult and I know the difference between right and wrong. So the music is just entertainment to me. But alot of kids are not so lucky. They are young and impressionable and might come from bad homes where they don't have alot of values and morals instilled in them. That is where hip hop becomes dangerous....because they might be raised by rap videos instead of a mom and dad. So they grow up thinking sex and violence are cool and that it is Ok to degrade women because that is what they see everyday on BET.

Your concerns about kids being raised by rap videos are valid, but don't expect us to adopt your (Christian high-horse bullshit) ways.  We don't like you muh'fuckas, and as long as you keep pretending like you did nothing wrong even as recently as 50 years ago, it's gonna stay that way.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:40:48 PM
is it the wrong group brother? or have you fallen for more white trickery, search the highest pinnacle of evilness and you will find white shadow, hitting you with contradictory propaganda to give you the illusion you have a choice in your ways of thinking

Hmmm, so you're saying even the non-religious devils are bad?  Does that mean I have to be indiscriminate and kill them all regardless of religion?  Cause I didn't plan on doing that; there are actually some white folks that ain't so bad.  But if you say otherwise...
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:41:25 PM
I like beating off to porn, that doesn't mean I think porn is appropriate for kids either.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:45:55 PM
I like beating off to porn, that doesn't mean I think porn is appropriate for kids either.

See, you're still missing the point.  It ain't that it's not appropriate for kids; it's that you ain't supposed to be embracing that stuff cause you're a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.  Regardless of what they think about it hurting kids, good Christians are simply not supposed to be listening to gangsta rap, watching violent movies, or jerking off to porn.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:47:19 PM
Who said that I am a right wing Christian fundamentalist?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 05:50:17 PM
Who said that I am a right wing Christian fundamentalist?

Everyone.  You certainly act like one.

What do you think you really are?  A "moderate" Christian?  If so, then that's a good reason to just say fuck ALL Christians.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 05:54:41 PM
Who taught you this hate?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 06:02:39 PM
Who taught you this hate?

Who taught you YOUR hate (Muslims, Latinos, etc.)?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 06:11:24 PM
Who taught you this hate?

Who taught you YOUR hate (Muslims, Latinos, etc.)?

I don't hate Latinos.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 06:24:10 PM
I don't hate Latinos.

But it is OK to hate Muslims?

You certainly say some rude shit about Latinos.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Real American on August 28, 2006, 06:51:45 PM
I don't hate Latinos.

But it is OK to hate Muslims?

You certainly say some rude shit about Latinos.

Rude, maybe. But I don't hate Latinos.

No comment on Muslims.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on August 28, 2006, 07:20:56 PM
No comment on Muslims.

Of course not.  But we all know better....you don't like them.  That's OK; I don't like white people because they're all out to keep me oppressed.  Embrace racial/religious bigotry.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Ant on August 28, 2006, 08:39:48 PM
Why does Cwalker always dodge questions and try to throw conversations off track.  If he thinks his logic is so strong, he should engage debates head on. Instead he runs.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 28, 2006, 09:24:23 PM
He's exactly like bryan
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: AndrE16686 on August 28, 2006, 09:45:51 PM
I like beating off to porn, that doesn't mean I think porn is appropriate for kids either.


LMFAO!^^^


I know whatchu mean tho. But I think at the end of the day it's up to the parents to raise their kids. You cannot expect entertainers to change when they are not targetting a young audience anyway. If you listen to Em's Kill You and go off and stab a bitch, then chances are you were pretty unstable before you heard the song. Same as if you bump Ice-T's Colors then go off and start bangin, you an easily influenced fool.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: AndrE16686 on August 28, 2006, 09:47:08 PM
He's exactly like bryan

exactly, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: LooN3y on August 28, 2006, 10:51:18 PM


What does any of that have to do with kids? Pat Buchanan is talking about American Culture vs Hip Hop Culture. 

Hiop hop culture is the lowest form of American culture. Unfortunately hip hop is very popular and is undermining traditional American values.

nothing new that hasnt happened in history b4.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on August 29, 2006, 12:00:05 AM
Why does Cwalker always dodge questions and try to throw conversations off track.  If he thinks his logic is so strong, he should engage debates head on. Instead he runs.

thats not the question. the question is why do u keep taking him serious

the polack is nothing like infinite

infinite= larry bird

yeah all he does is shoot. yeah it pisses u off he aint flashy. or cant dunk. but the boy can shoot. hes good at what he does.

polack= oliver miller
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 29, 2006, 12:04:19 AM
im surprised you take bryan seriously. oh wait your in the same cult!
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on August 29, 2006, 12:07:15 AM
im surprised you take bryan seriously. oh wait your in the same cult!

infinite spits the truth...you listening too slow dummy dummy
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on August 29, 2006, 12:12:50 AM
im surprised you take bryan seriously. oh wait your in the same cult!

infinite spits the truth...you listening too slow dummy dummy

yeah outsiders (canda,islam) to the popular clique (america, the west) always think it's because theyre soo smarter. nothing to do with the fact they are kooks at all, i could argue with you, but the jokes really on you so i'd be beating a dead horse 
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on August 29, 2006, 12:33:57 AM
im surprised you take bryan seriously. oh wait your in the same cult!

infinite spits the truth...you listening too slow dummy dummy

yeah outsiders (canda,islam) to the popular clique (america, the west) always think it's because theyre soo smarter. nothing to do with the fact they are kooks at all, i could argue with you, but the jokes really on you so i'd be beating a dead horse 

ahh u think the jokes on me, i think eventually ure gonna burn in hell, etcetra etcetra

life goes on
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Sikotic™ on August 29, 2006, 12:39:36 AM
CWalker, you stop listening to my music, and I'll stop porking your women.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Shallow on August 29, 2006, 10:11:48 AM
Transcript:

BECKEL: Pat, you say in the Hispanic culture in the Southwest it is a culture that will take over the Southwest and essentially make the Southwest of the United States part of America but not really part of America. Let me ask you this the Irish and Italian came to New York and brought their culture here. Eastern Europeans went to the north-northwest part of the Midwest, the Germans and Scottish went to the Appalachians and brought their culture with them. Whats different?

BUCHANAN: One thing thats different in the year 2050 there will be 102 million people of Hispanic descent, primarily Mexican, wholly concentrated in the American Southwest. Thats one thing. The second thing is Mexicans, unlike Irish or German folks, never claimed America as their country. They owned it. 58% of Mexicans believe the southwest belongs to them. The third thing is, they were assimilated. There powerful assimilation movement in this country that does not exist right now and in so the point of the thing is, they are not assimilated into America. Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it.


From reading just this I can't see where he calls rap un-American. Now I cannot comment on the difference between Mexicans and Irish because I don't know the facts but if what Buchanan says is true that 58% of Mexicans that come over believe the Southwest is Mexico and not embracing it as America then Buchanan is right to say that most Mexicans aren't assimilating. Now whether they should have to and whether they are right to think they have stake in the South West as Mexican land is another issue altogether. However there is a difference between bringing your culture with you to a new land and embracing that land as it is, and bring your culture to that land and claiming it as your own. When the Americans took over that land to begin with it's what they did and I'm sure there were a lot of people in Mexico who were opposed to that just like Buchanan is now. Spain took it from the natives, and the Mexicans took it from Spain. Then the Americans took it from the Mexicans and now Buchanan feels that the Mexicans may be trying to take it back. It's with in his rights to make that claim and with in his rights to want to defend America.

Of course he could be dead wrong. There are many Mexicans in that area as we speak and I've yet to hear of many stories concerning any sort of militia style take over of the south west. Now if the population becomes more Mexican than white that may change but I can't see why one should automatically assume so, and why many aren't just coming over in search of the American dream or what have you.

As for Hip Hop being unAmerican. I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying that Mexicans don't embrace American culture in general and that many embrace an anti-American or at least anti-Government American sub-culture. He rap quickly and then said crime, and anti-cop. His wording could have been better but I don't think he was singling out rap or calling it unAmerican.

Is there more in the the transcript that shows his views with regards to rap being unAmerican?


And to whoever mentioned Godfather, Goodfellas , and Angels; keep in mind that those movies were heavily criticized by Italian-American and Irish-American Defamation leagues for beign anti-Italian and anti-Irish in that they were painting bad pictures of otherwise oppressed hard working citizens. The Irish were originally brought over as indentured servants, essentially slaves and forced to work the land for no money. This was before Black slavery became extremely popular in the late 1600s. Italians were brought in for specialized manual labour and lived in slums when they arrived. They were stereotyped as dirty sub human drones controlled by the Mafia, and the Italians were subject to lynching. Most Italians don't even know about that. In 1891, 11 Italian Americans were lynched on New Orleans at the same time and it was the largest single mass lynching in American History. Please do not confuse the White British oppressor culture with the White Irish or Italian oppressed culture.

Even Walker's Polish ancestory has gone through as much bullshit oppression as any other group in the world.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Crown on September 04, 2006, 07:21:20 PM
Transcript:

BECKEL: Pat, you say in the Hispanic culture in the Southwest it is a culture that will take over the Southwest and essentially make the Southwest of the United States part of America but not really part of America. Let me ask you this the Irish and Italian came to New York and brought their culture here. Eastern Europeans went to the north-northwest part of the Midwest, the Germans and Scottish went to the Appalachians and brought their culture with them. Whats different?

BUCHANAN: One thing thats different in the year 2050 there will be 102 million people of Hispanic descent, primarily Mexican, wholly concentrated in the American Southwest. Thats one thing. The second thing is Mexicans, unlike Irish or German folks, never claimed America as their country. They owned it. 58% of Mexicans believe the southwest belongs to them. The third thing is, they were assimilated. There powerful assimilation movement in this country that does not exist right now and in so the point of the thing is, they are not assimilated into America. Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it.


From reading just this I can't see where he calls rap un-American. Now I cannot comment on the difference between Mexicans and Irish because I don't know the facts but if what Buchanan says is true that 58% of Mexicans that come over believe the Southwest is Mexico and not embracing it as America then Buchanan is right to say that most Mexicans aren't assimilating. Now whether they should have to and whether they are right to think they have stake in the South West as Mexican land is another issue altogether. However there is a difference between bringing your culture with you to a new land and embracing that land as it is, and bring your culture to that land and claiming it as your own. When the Americans took over that land to begin with it's what they did and I'm sure there were a lot of people in Mexico who were opposed to that just like Buchanan is now. Spain took it from the natives, and the Mexicans took it from Spain. Then the Americans took it from the Mexicans and now Buchanan feels that the Mexicans may be trying to take it back. It's with in his rights to make that claim and with in his rights to want to defend America.

Of course he could be dead wrong. There are many Mexicans in that area as we speak and I've yet to hear of many stories concerning any sort of militia style take over of the south west. Now if the population becomes more Mexican than white that may change but I can't see why one should automatically assume so, and why many aren't just coming over in search of the American dream or what have you.

As for Hip Hop being unAmerican. I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying that Mexicans don't embrace American culture in general and that many embrace an anti-American or at least anti-Government American sub-culture. He rap quickly and then said crime, and anti-cop. His wording could have been better but I don't think he was singling out rap or calling it unAmerican.

Is there more in the the transcript that shows his views with regards to rap being unAmerican?


And to whoever mentioned Godfather, Goodfellas , and Angels; keep in mind that those movies were heavily criticized by Italian-American and Irish-American Defamation leagues for beign anti-Italian and anti-Irish in that they were painting bad pictures of otherwise oppressed hard working citizens. The Irish were originally brought over as indentured servants, essentially slaves and forced to work the land for no money. This was before Black slavery became extremely popular in the late 1600s. Italians were brought in for specialized manual labour and lived in slums when they arrived. They were stereotyped as dirty sub human drones controlled by the Mafia, and the Italians were subject to lynching. Most Italians don't even know about that. In 1891, 11 Italian Americans were lynched on New Orleans at the same time and it was the largest single mass lynching in American History. Please do not confuse the White British oppressor culture with the White Irish or Italian oppressed culture.

Even Walker's Polish ancestory has gone through as much bullshit oppression as any other group in the world.

Thats right Shallow because we all know that your peoples struggle is WAY worse than Black Peoples.
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Post by: D-Reborn on September 06, 2006, 09:03:18 AM
i think we´ll always have a problem as long as we dont admit that not all muslims are terrorists, not all white people are racists and not all black and latinos are "dangerous" and shit for society, but i guess it´ll be like that forever unless we do something  :-\
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Shallow on September 06, 2006, 10:34:29 AM
Transcript:

BECKEL: Pat, you say in the Hispanic culture in the Southwest it is a culture that will take over the Southwest and essentially make the Southwest of the United States part of America but not really part of America. Let me ask you this the Irish and Italian came to New York and brought their culture here. Eastern Europeans went to the north-northwest part of the Midwest, the Germans and Scottish went to the Appalachians and brought their culture with them. Whats different?

BUCHANAN: One thing thats different in the year 2050 there will be 102 million people of Hispanic descent, primarily Mexican, wholly concentrated in the American Southwest. Thats one thing. The second thing is Mexicans, unlike Irish or German folks, never claimed America as their country. They owned it. 58% of Mexicans believe the southwest belongs to them. The third thing is, they were assimilated. There powerful assimilation movement in this country that does not exist right now and in so the point of the thing is, they are not assimilated into America. Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it.


From reading just this I can't see where he calls rap un-American. Now I cannot comment on the difference between Mexicans and Irish because I don't know the facts but if what Buchanan says is true that 58% of Mexicans that come over believe the Southwest is Mexico and not embracing it as America then Buchanan is right to say that most Mexicans aren't assimilating. Now whether they should have to and whether they are right to think they have stake in the South West as Mexican land is another issue altogether. However there is a difference between bringing your culture with you to a new land and embracing that land as it is, and bring your culture to that land and claiming it as your own. When the Americans took over that land to begin with it's what they did and I'm sure there were a lot of people in Mexico who were opposed to that just like Buchanan is now. Spain took it from the natives, and the Mexicans took it from Spain. Then the Americans took it from the Mexicans and now Buchanan feels that the Mexicans may be trying to take it back. It's with in his rights to make that claim and with in his rights to want to defend America.

Of course he could be dead wrong. There are many Mexicans in that area as we speak and I've yet to hear of many stories concerning any sort of militia style take over of the south west. Now if the population becomes more Mexican than white that may change but I can't see why one should automatically assume so, and why many aren't just coming over in search of the American dream or what have you.

As for Hip Hop being unAmerican. I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying that Mexicans don't embrace American culture in general and that many embrace an anti-American or at least anti-Government American sub-culture. He rap quickly and then said crime, and anti-cop. His wording could have been better but I don't think he was singling out rap or calling it unAmerican.

Is there more in the the transcript that shows his views with regards to rap being unAmerican?


And to whoever mentioned Godfather, Goodfellas , and Angels; keep in mind that those movies were heavily criticized by Italian-American and Irish-American Defamation leagues for beign anti-Italian and anti-Irish in that they were painting bad pictures of otherwise oppressed hard working citizens. The Irish were originally brought over as indentured servants, essentially slaves and forced to work the land for no money. This was before Black slavery became extremely popular in the late 1600s. Italians were brought in for specialized manual labour and lived in slums when they arrived. They were stereotyped as dirty sub human drones controlled by the Mafia, and the Italians were subject to lynching. Most Italians don't even know about that. In 1891, 11 Italian Americans were lynched on New Orleans at the same time and it was the largest single mass lynching in American History. Please do not confuse the White British oppressor culture with the White Irish or Italian oppressed culture.

Even Walker's Polish ancestory has gone through as much bullshit oppression as any other group in the world.

Thats right Shallow because we all know that your peoples struggle is WAY worse than Black Peoples.

I'm not Irish or Italian. These aren't my "peoples". I'm just stating the too often ignored facts. The white oppressor wants blacks to believe these myths because it keeps them down, and they want the poor whites to think they were all part of the problem so they feel guilty. In the end it only hurts the black people of America.

My "peoples" were from Greece and were taken over by Turks in 1460, 30 years before Europe even went to Africa, and 200 years before they started enslaving Africans and buying African slaves. My "peoples" were oppressed by the Ottoman Empire until 1827, an dsome until 1915. That's longer than black slavery.

I strongly feel that if the plight of the poor white man in America was made more public that there would be greater unity and the black community would end up better. But the the rich white man would be in trouble. And the rich man never gets in trouble. The southern slave were better off after the emancipation than before it. What ever they lossed on having to pay blacks they made up in not having to house and feeed them, and then some.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 06, 2006, 05:25:53 PM
We don't like you muh'fuckas, and as long as you keep pretending like you did nothing wrong even as recently as 50 years ago, it's gonna stay that way.


Dude, Germans "did something wrong" to Jews as recently as 50 years ago, you don't see me complaining and bitching...Am I supposed to have deep hatred for Germans now and invent a judgement day for them in my head?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on September 06, 2006, 07:15:11 PM
No, but that's cause everyone knows Jews own everything and still complain.

Go back to bitching with SGV; I'm too busy planning massacres to deal with you.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 06, 2006, 07:32:36 PM
No, but that's cause everyone knows Jews own everything and still complain.

Go back to bitching with SGV; I'm too busy planning massacres to deal with you.

If Jews really owned everything, why is it black culture that is portrayed as "cool" by the media? White people are the reason blacks are where they are, learn to shut your mouth and stop biting the hand that feeds you, unless you wanna get pimp slapped...
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on September 06, 2006, 07:36:50 PM
Why the hell did you even bring up an old topic anyway?  Goes to show how little else you have to do in your life...

The "media" simply takes advantage of what sells, and black culture sells.  Of course, if what you said is true (white people make blacks successful), then that's all the better reason to bust choppers on you muh'fuckas.  I don't need or want the white man's approval to be successful, and I don't want him holding all the keys.

Now go back to your gay porn.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 06, 2006, 07:43:20 PM
Why the hell did you even bring up an old topic anyway?  Goes to show how little else you have to do in your life...

The "media" simply takes advantage of what sells, and black culture sells.  Of course, if what you said is true (white people make blacks successful), then that's all the better reason to bust choppers on you muh'fuckas.  I don't need or want the white man's approval to be successful, and I don't want him holding all the keys.

Now go back to your gay porn.


Old topic? Someone posted in it today before I did, moron. The media doesn't take advantage of shit, if they wanted, Asians could be the biggest thing right now...It's just that the "devil" gave the black people a voice, and they chose to use it in the loudest way possible (literally and figuratively)...They whore themselves out there, niggaz will do whatever it takes to make a quick buck and get their shine in the spotlight...Even if it means dancing around like a monkey and singing pop tunes because everyone else is doing it...The "devil" brought your ass here from Africa and gave you a chance...You'd be swatting flies off your mommas titty up in Nigeria as we speak if it wasn't for the "devil"... :-*
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on September 06, 2006, 07:48:03 PM
sometimes i feel like the devil  :-\
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Primo on September 06, 2006, 07:54:30 PM
Nah Real American is right about young kids that grow up thinking that shit is real life and not entertainment. I have seen it for myself and is 100% true.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on September 06, 2006, 07:56:14 PM
Old topic? Someone posted in it today before I did, moron. The media doesn't take advantage of shit, if they wanted, Asians could be the biggest thing right now...It's just that the "devil" gave the black people a voice, and they chose to use it in the loudest way possible (literally and figuratively)...They whore themselves out there, niggaz will do whatever it takes to make a quick buck and get their shine in the spotlight...Even if it means dancing around like a monkey and singing pop tunes because everyone else is doing it...The "devil" brought your ass here from Africa and gave you a chance...You'd be swatting flies off your mommas titty up in Nigeria as we speak if it wasn't for the "devil"... :-*

The devil didn't give me SHIT...I worked for and earned everything I have without some grafted spawn giving it to me.  This is the white man's world, but I came up in it on my OWN terms.  And now, I seek to reclaim the world as Allah has told me to.

Fuck it, you're not worth my time anymore.  You were entertaining in that Biggie thread, now you're just boring me with your self-obsessed bullshit.  And if glorifying your evil, exploitative race makes you feel better about yourself, so be it.  But I know who the real GODS are.  And someday, you will, too.

Oh, and don't say "nigga" again, cracker.  You don't get to do that.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 06, 2006, 08:02:45 PM
Old topic? Someone posted in it today before I did, moron. The media doesn't take advantage of shit, if they wanted, Asians could be the biggest thing right now...It's just that the "devil" gave the black people a voice, and they chose to use it in the loudest way possible (literally and figuratively)...They whore themselves out there, niggaz will do whatever it takes to make a quick buck and get their shine in the spotlight...Even if it means dancing around like a monkey and singing pop tunes because everyone else is doing it...The "devil" brought your ass here from Africa and gave you a chance...You'd be swatting flies off your mommas titty up in Nigeria as we speak if it wasn't for the "devil"... :-*

The devil didn't give me SHIT...I worked for and earned everything I have without some grafted spawn giving it to me.  This is the white man's world, but I came up in it on my OWN terms.  And now, I seek to reclaim the world as Allah has told me to.

Fuck it, you're not worth my time anymore.  You were entertaining in that Biggie thread, now you're just boring me with your self-obsessed bullshit.  And if glorifying your evil, exploitative race makes you feel better about yourself, so be it.  But I know who the real GODS are.  And someday, you will, too.

Oh, and don't call say "nigga" again, cracker.  You don't get to do that.


Okay, I won't "call say" nigga again, nigga... :D
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Primo on September 06, 2006, 08:03:08 PM
I believe the person each religion calls god is one and the same and we are all CREATED the same. There is not one absolutly correct religion. Do some reading. I do however think money and self interest are the root of all evil and the reason why the world is fucked.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Narrator on September 06, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
Okay, I won't "call say" nigga again, nigga... :D

Good job, you can point out a typo.  Does that make you feel better about yourself?

You're still a Jewish faggot who lives on DubCC.  Nothing's gon change that, son.
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 06, 2006, 08:43:37 PM
Okay, I won't "call say" nigga again, nigga... :D

Good job, you can point out a typo.  Does that make you feel better about yourself?

You're still a Jewish faggot who lives on DubCC.  Nothing's gon change that, son.



And you're a nigga living in a fantasy world where everyone is against you. You're a retard, nothing can change that...P.S. Black bitches have loose pussies. They're still fun though. 8)
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on September 06, 2006, 11:33:34 PM
lol now youre arguing with nikky

Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: J Bananas on September 07, 2006, 12:56:51 PM
Okay, I won't "call say" nigga again, nigga... :D

Good job, you can point out a typo.  Does that make you feel better about yourself?

You're still a Jewish faggot who lives on DubCC.  Nothing's gon change that, son.



And you're a nigga living in a fantasy world where everyone is against you. You're a retard, nothing can change that...P.S. Black bitches have loose pussies. They're still fun though. 8)

yeah man what the fuck?? my first gf ever was black so for about a year i thought pussy was overrated, it took me cheating on her with her little white/asian friend to discover the full potential of coochy. aint that some shit.

all i know now is, once you go white, you never go back, aiight?
Title: Re: For CWalker, who I've seen post in the Hip-Hop section, yet hate on Latinos.
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 07, 2006, 01:01:33 PM
Okay, I won't "call say" nigga again, nigga... :D

Good job, you can point out a typo.  Does that make you feel better about yourself?

You're still a Jewish faggot who lives on DubCC.  Nothing's gon change that, son.


And you're a nigga living in a fantasy world where everyone is against you. You're a retard, nothing can change that...P.S. Black bitches have loose pussies. They're still fun though. 8)

yeah man what the fuck?? my first gf ever was black so for about a year i thought pussy was overrated, it took me cheating on her with her little white/asian friend to discover the full potential of coochy. aint that some shit.

all i know now is, once you go white, you never go back, aiight?

Yea...The main thing they have going for them is that they know what they're doin'...I guess it's compensation for the looseness. ???