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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: J Bananas on October 13, 2006, 12:58:32 PM
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WASHINGTON - For planning purposes, the Army is gearing up to keep current troop levels in Iraq for another four years, a new indication that conditions there are too unstable to foresee an end to the war.
Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, cautioned against reading too much into the planning, which is done far in advance to prepare the right mix of combat units for expected deployments. He noted that it is easier to scale back later if conditions allow, than to ramp up if they don't.
"This is not a prediction that things are going poorly or better," Schoomaker told reporters. "It's just that I have to have enough ammo in the magazine that I can continue to shoot as long as they want us to shoot."
Even so, his comments were the latest acknowledgment by Pentagon officials that a significant withdrawal of troops from Iraq is not likely in the immediate future. There are now 141,000 U.S. troops there.
At a Pentagon news conference, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, said that as recently as July he had expected to be able to recommend a substantial reduction in U.S. forces by now. But that plan was dropped as sectarian violence in Baghdad escalated.
While arguing that progress is still being made toward unifying Iraq's fractured political rivalries and stabilizing the country, Casey also said the violence amounts to "a difficult situation that's likely to remain that way for some time."
He made no predictions of future U.S. troop reductions.
Appearing with Casey, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he and other senior Pentagon officials are still studying how the military might keep up the current pace of Iraq deployments without overtaxing the Army and Marine Corps, which have borne the brunt of the conflict. Rumsfeld said one option is to make more use of the Air Force and Navy for work that normally is done by soldiers and Marines.
Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), D-R.I., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Wednesday that the advance planning Schoomaker described was an appropriate cautionary approach. However, he added, the Pentagon should increase the overall size of the military to reduce stress on troops repeatedly sent into combat.
"I applaud the new realism but I think they also have to recognize that this (war) is going to put a huge stress on our forces," said Reed, a former Army Ranger. Reed and other Democrats have called on President Bush to start bringing home troops within a year to force the Iraqi government to take more responsibility for security.
At his news conference, Rumsfeld was asked whether he bears responsibility for what has gone wrong in Iraq or if the military commanders there are to blame.
"Of course I bear responsibility," he replied in apparent exasperation. "My Lord, I'm secretary of defense. Write it down."
In recent months the Army has shown signs of strain, as Pentagon officials have had to extend the Iraq deployments of two brigades to bolster security in Baghdad and allow units heading into the country to have at least one year at home before redeploying.
The Army is finding that the amount of time soldiers enjoy between Iraq tours has been shrinking this year. In the case of a brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division, its deployment to Iraq was delayed by about six weeks because it otherwise would have had only 11 months to prepare instead of the minimum 12 months. As a result, the unit it was going to replace has been forced to stay beyond its normal 12-month deployment.
In separate remarks to reporters, Gen. Richard Cody, the Army vice chief of staff, said soldiers need more than 12 months between deployments to Iraq so they can do a full range of combat training and complete the kinds of educational programs that enable the Army to grow a fully mature officer corps.
That kind of noncombat experience is necessary "so that we don't erode and become an Army that only can fight a counterinsurgency," Cody said. He added that North Korea's announced nuclear test "reminds us all that we may not just be in a counterinsurgency fight and we have to have full-spectrum capability."
wow
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That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
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to quote slim charles from the wire "even if we go to war on a lie, we fight on that lie, thats war. once you in it, you in it"
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
i would estimate that youre an idiot, and that once again, u dont know what ure talking about
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.
in maybe 40 50 years, this will all be forgoten, and america will have a new enenmy to harras or china has finally taken over the world.
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The withdrawal of troops from Iraq is highly doubted at this time.
However, when one Army general says we're getting fucked in Iraq right now, and we need to pull out, does not mean hes speaking for all Generals/Chiefs.
Even though he is right, but its like a 50 50 situation right now. Half the CentCom is supporting the Bush administration, the other half, opposes U.S Military presence in Iraq.
The withdrawl of U.S Troops on papers will take affect from late 2007.
This does not mean all troops are going back, it means small platoons will start packing up and going back. There can be 15-30 people in a Platoon. And platoons are gona withdraw at a platoon every 6 months I beleive, and a Battalion in 2 years.
But these things change all the time, but thats whats on papers for now ^.
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That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
Why invade in the FIRST Place? ???
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2010 at best, most likely 2015-2020. The U.S. is in deep shit out there
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viet nam part 2 :D
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.
They were 50 years ago. Think about it, you narrow minded shortsighted motherfucker.
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
i would estimate that youre an idiot, and that once again, u dont know what ure talking about
Who are you?
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That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
Why invade in the FIRST Place? ???
Lots of reasons. They have lots of oil, for 1. We didn't like the guy that ran the place, so we went in and arrested him and killed his children, for 2. They're muslim, we're christians, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to invade a country, you're losing the argument before you even begin.
You would have been much better off, instead of saying there's no reason to invade, saying that we're invading for an unjust reason. For instance, if you argued that we hate muslims, you could find facts or statements to support that, and then make America look bad or whatever you intend to do with your argument.
If, however, you take your approach, and act like there's no reason to invade... then you miss a great opportunity. If there is absolutely no reason to invade, all you can do is accuse Bush of being an idiot. If you instead would have assigned some other motive to his reasons for invading, you could truly demonize him (or cheney, rumsfield, whoever you prefer) and your argument would be much, much stronger.
In other words, you're playing with the big boys and you didn't do your homework. Bow down to a brother stronger than you.
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viet nam part 2 :D
How so?
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fight the war on Socom. which ever team wins, 50% of the annual profits of the countries income is presented to the winning team.
*victory dance*
;)
na but on the real, science will kill the world.
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That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
Why invade in the FIRST Place? ???
Lots of reasons. They have lots of oil, for 1. We didn't like the guy that ran the place, so we went in and arrested him and killed his children, for 2. They're muslim, we're christians, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to invade a country, you're losing the argument before you even begin.
You would have been much better off, instead of saying there's no reason to invade, saying that we're invading for an unjust reason. For instance, if you argued that we hate muslims, you could find facts or statements to support that, and then make America look bad or whatever you intend to do with your argument.
If, however, you take your approach, and act like there's no reason to invade... then you miss a great opportunity. If there is absolutely no reason to invade, all you can do is accuse Bush of being an idiot. If you instead would have assigned some other motive to his reasons for invading, you could truly demonize him (or cheney, rumsfield, whoever you prefer) and your argument would be much, much stronger.
In other words, you're playing with the big boys and you didn't do your homework. Bow down to a brother stronger than you.
When he asks a question like this, he implies that there is no good reason to invade. By "good reason" I don't mean good in the sense of lucrative, but in the plain sense of good.
So, all the 3 reasons you mentioned are reasons only assholes would consider as reasons before they do something.
It's like, when somebody rapes the 5 year old daughter of someone, and in court the mother shouts in tears "why would you do those unbelieveable things to a little innocent girl?" and the rapist answers calmly: "Lots of reasons. Because it's cheaper than taking a prostitude, for 1. I didn't like her daddy because he had some beef with my father, so I went and raped his child, for 2. She's black, I'm white, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to rape and molest an innocent little girl, you're losing the argument before you even begin."
See how stupid you look now? Now, of course back in the day, let's say 3 and a half years ago, you wouldn't have replied with such an answer to that question. You probably would've been like "because they are connected to al quaeda, and because they have WMD and are a threat to the whole western hemisphere you stupid idiot"
But as we all know now, that was straight up bullshit fed to the American public to make you sleep better at night.
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.
They were 50 years ago. Think about it, you narrow minded shortsighted motherfucker.
you dumb pasty hick. what a fuckin tool u are. have u read a single paragraph of a history text, u retarded ape. were japanese and germans killing american troops after they were occupied...ie. after the war. u dumb fuck, eihtball wasnt talkin about the war itself
on a side note, anybody notice the dumb discredited tire slashing hick totally swagger jacking my style? join the list hoe
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That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
Why invade in the FIRST Place? ???
Lots of reasons. They have lots of oil, for 1. We didn't like the guy that ran the place, so we went in and arrested him and killed his children, for 2. They're muslim, we're christians, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to invade a country, you're losing the argument before you even begin.
You would have been much better off, instead of saying there's no reason to invade, saying that we're invading for an unjust reason. For instance, if you argued that we hate muslims, you could find facts or statements to support that, and then make America look bad or whatever you intend to do with your argument.
If, however, you take your approach, and act like there's no reason to invade... then you miss a great opportunity. If there is absolutely no reason to invade, all you can do is accuse Bush of being an idiot. If you instead would have assigned some other motive to his reasons for invading, you could truly demonize him (or cheney, rumsfield, whoever you prefer) and your argument would be much, much stronger.
In other words, you're playing with the big boys and you didn't do your homework. Bow down to a brother stronger than you.
When he asks a question like this, he implies that there is no good reason to invade. By "good reason" I don't mean good in the sense of lucrative, but in the plain sense of good.
So, all the 3 reasons you mentioned are reasons only assholes would consider as reasons before they do something.
It's like, when somebody rapes the 5 year old daughter of someone, and in court the mother shouts in tears "why would you do those unbelieveable things to a little innocent girl?" and the rapist answers calmly: "Lots of reasons. Because it's cheaper than taking a prostitude, for 1. I didn't like her daddy because he had some beef with my father, so I went and raped his child, for 2. She's black, I'm white, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to rape and molest an innocent little girl, you're losing the argument before you even begin."
See how stupid you look now? Now, of course back in the day, let's say 3 and a half years ago, you wouldn't have replied with such an answer to that question. You probably would've been like "because they are connected to al quaeda, and because they have WMD and are a threat to the whole western hemisphere you stupid idiot"
But as we all know now, that was straight up bullshit fed to the American public to make you sleep better at night.
ether...
lol @ trauma wanting to come back on this forum and talk shit like we have selective memories. at least englewood had the decensy to stop posting and don rizzle publicly acknowledged he was wrong/
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there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
I co-sign. US troops will be in Iraq for a very long time, its stupid to believe that they will pull-out once the job is done. But it all depends on them not getting kicked the fuck out like 'Nam and its starting to look 'Namish, oh its getting 'Namish son.
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They were 50 years ago. Think about it, you narrow minded shortsighted motherfucker.
What? After the war had been declared won?
And LOL, you DID get badly ethered by 7even.