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Title: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 07, 2006, 02:12:19 PM
You got to see it to believe it... the fourth one is probably the most phenomenal, the white people and Jews couldn't even handle what he was saying without walking out of the classroom, on part 3 he breaks down how the Jewish control of major media and more pointedly their caracatures of black people, but really his speach was primarily his effort to prove that black people are the origional Jews because Moses was black (Egyptian) and Abraham's progyny was black.

PART 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43459021&hl=en

PART 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33679983&hl=en


PART 3:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26087377&hl=en


PART 4:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86888379&hl=en
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Samoan Enforcer on December 07, 2006, 02:53:25 PM
HE'S COMIN FOR YA BRYAN!
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Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on December 07, 2006, 02:55:46 PM
You got to see it to believe it... the fourth one is probably the most phenomenal, the white people and Jews couldn't even handle what he was saying without walking out of the classroom, on part 3 he breaks down how the Jewish control of major media and more pointedly their caracatures of black people, but really his speach was primarily his effort to prove that black people are the origional Jews because Moses was black (Egyptian) and Abraham's progyny was black.
Damn right. Black Power! Fuck white people.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Samoan Enforcer on December 07, 2006, 03:03:36 PM
oh and bry guy the links are down. i guess the white jew media was outraged by kareem abdul shakalakas revelations
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Shallow on December 07, 2006, 03:58:30 PM
You got to see it to believe it... the fourth one is probably the most phenomenal, the white people and Jews couldn't even handle what he was saying without walking out of the classroom, on part 3 he breaks down how the Jewish control of major media and more pointedly their caracatures of black people, but really his speach was primarily his effort to prove that black people are the origional Jews because Moses was black (Egyptian) and Abraham's progyny was black.

PART 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43459021&hl=en

PART 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33679983&hl=en


PART 3:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26087377&hl=en


PART 4:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86888379&hl=en

Why do you support a group that make a mockery of your religion? Is supporting blacks more imporant than supporting Islam? You want to see Khalid Muhammad get his ass handed to him. Tell him to walk into Mecca and tell everyone how Allah appeared on Earth as a man by the name of Master W. Fard Muhammad in Michigan 60 years ago.

Also there is no proof that higher level Egyptians of that particular era or Jews were blacks. Dark skinned semites that look a lot like Arabs sure, but black? The evidence is thin.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Real American on December 07, 2006, 04:59:16 PM
Here is video of Khalid Muhhamed droppin bombs on crackers on the TV show Donahue.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5285318743379859237&q=Khalid+Muhammad&hl=en
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 07, 2006, 07:04:31 PM

Thanks for the video real american from watching it i noted this particularly"i know there is a little bit of Hitler in all white people" see we do agree on some things infinite but you embrace whatever is muslim, the nation of islam is well known for it's less than hidden views. He bases his views on the evil which has been inflicted on africans, I am not debating that but what he preaches is a message of evil of genocide. The man is a sick monster an evil racist, the only difference between his views and stalins, mao's and others is that he is black. Malcolm X broke away from the black muslims ultimately because he realised they were a part of the problem and that racism was being used as a divide and conquer tactic. 

Also on the issue of south africa he speaks a lot of half truths and cunningly disguises what really happened there with his vehement language. The truth is he did not want to muddy the waters, everything had to be kept black and white no pun intended and so he deliberately missed out the fact that the indigenous people of the nation have been completely ostracised, have to beg for scraps have absolutely no say in the runnning of their own country. Also and this is always the case, there is forever this downright lie that most whites there are rich, that is absolutely bullshit a complete lie. This was just a side issue though and not central to the main point of my post which was this man's pure evil masqueraded as some kind of wonderul revolutionary.

Furthermore how does it help preaching that jews are the problem? I am even arguing from the point of view that that there are many jews in prominent positions of that there is no doubt. However again he isnt preaching to unify for any other cause than to develop a hatred a wicked evil hatred for all people jewish white and arab. Again he is just part of the problem, he isn't advancing thought he is just another cog in a design to instigate and pit race against race.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 07, 2006, 07:43:03 PM
Hey the links dont work, i really wanted to see the videos.


I think its true, the white/jewish media had to filter it so they probably took it off of google videos.lol
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Narrator on December 07, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
Fuck all white people.  While I'd love to forgive them for their devilish nature, my good friend Mr. Kalashnikov says I can't.  He has words of wisdom to disperse in the devil's direction.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Outlaw Immortal on December 07, 2006, 09:36:12 PM
They are semitic. They arent black, its like me calling a bedouin black, and when we say black we mean like african e.g. sudan, congo, south africa etc, right?

Man, cmon abdul infinite you are embarrassin yourself, im part arab and i dont say 'ye man i got some cousins who have a black background, ye man theyre from egypt', thats bullshit.

But anyway, thank you for researching this pointless story and takin time out of your pointfull life.

Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 08, 2006, 12:53:24 PM
Just go to this address and click the links from there.


http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=788764
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 08, 2006, 01:09:40 PM
They are semitic. They arent black, its like me calling a bedouin black, and when we say black we mean like african e.g. sudan, congo, south africa etc, right?

Man, cmon abdul infinite you are embarrassin yourself, im part arab and i dont say 'ye man i got some cousins who have a black background, ye man theyre from egypt', thats bullshit.

But anyway, thank you for researching this pointless story and takin time out of your pointfull life.



I didn't say anything about anything.  The only thing I did was posted up some links and told ya'll what went down.  It's definitely worth watching, and it is definitely education from a historical perspective and from a sociological perspective viewing how the audience and those debating respond to what is being presented.

My personal opinion is that Khalid Muhammad won this debate, and that his argumentation was easily the most clear and informative of the three debaters.  That is all I am saying at this time.  Watch for yourself and see.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Real American on December 08, 2006, 05:53:16 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-208821391033679983&hl=en

I am not going to lie, Khalid Muhhamed served crackers left and right in that clip. The white people in the audience were egtting heated.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 08, 2006, 06:06:07 PM

Ever get the feeling that he is perhaps a stooge?
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Real American on December 08, 2006, 06:07:44 PM

Ever get the feeling that he is perhaps a stooge?

You have to admit that he is a dynamic, eloquent speaker. And it is unusual to see a black man commanding a room full of white people and taking control over them.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 08, 2006, 06:12:47 PM

Let's put it like this his message is so extreme that I am suspicious who his true "masters" are.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Real American on December 08, 2006, 06:14:08 PM

Let's put it like this his message is so extreme that I am suspicious who his true "masters" are.

What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 08, 2006, 06:22:40 PM

Is he also known as khalid shaikh muhammed? *edit* i just read he was assasinated
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: 7even on December 09, 2006, 12:26:54 AM
Of course, I mean back in the day, everybody was African American, right?
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 09, 2006, 09:37:25 AM

Let's put it like this his message is so extreme that I am suspicious who his true "masters" are.

I don't follow you man, I think he was a sincere representative of Elijah Muhammad, if anything was going on behind the scenes I think it was outside his knowledge, and if anybody is secretly CIA or Freemason or whatever your alleging it would have been Farakhan because Farakhan actually silenced Khalid Muhammad at the hieght of his popularity and later Khalid was assassinated.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 09, 2006, 10:01:38 AM

I should have clarified what I meant, I am not saying that the CIA was definitely behind the scenes with the nation of islam but rumours were abound that they might have been. Also as with all assaninations there are always meant to be several possible culprits so it could have been another black group, the CIA, a white group, a rogue agent, there are many possible suspects for his assasination. Although lets face it his death was never going to create a massive furore when he was actively inciting people to commit the extermination of an entire race of people. Perhaps by pulling away from farrakhan he did become a sitting duck and certainly farrakhans message has softened considerably towards white people and for that matter all races.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Real American on December 09, 2006, 12:38:46 PM
He wasn't assasinated. Someone did shoot him but he did survive. He died a few years ago from some a heart attack I think.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 09, 2006, 12:55:15 PM

Yeah your right according to wikpedia he died from a brain aneurysm and was shot by a former NOI member. This is the first time I have heard of this man to be honest so what I am reading and hearing now is all new to me.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: big mat on December 09, 2006, 01:02:33 PM
racism to me is false debate, while we are debating on such things their are stronger menaces to humanity like global warming, war and such, if we could get pass our differences we could work togheter on building a better world.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: virtuoso on December 09, 2006, 01:03:52 PM

yup and this man was evil, just like the KKK and all of these other genuinely hateful racists in the world.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: nibs on December 09, 2006, 05:16:04 PM
(Shallow)  - Also there is no proof that higher level Egyptians of that particular era or Jews were blacks. Dark skinned semites that look a lot like Arabs sure, but black? The evidence is thin.

what time period?

there is no question that ancient kemet was black.  it wasn't until the 13th dynasty when hyksos (caucasians) moved into kemet in large numbers.  after the hykso reign was overthrown hyksos remained in lower kemet and continued to cause problems, as they worshipped foreign gods and had allegiances elsewhere.

the original jews?  the levite priestly caste was actually kemetic.  thus black.  however their doctrine was later distorted.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: Samoan Enforcer on December 09, 2006, 05:20:48 PM
Of course, I mean back in the day, everybody was African American, right?

lol, thats a funny sentence
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: 7even on December 09, 2006, 06:34:47 PM
^I appreciate it
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: big mat on December 09, 2006, 07:16:43 PM
yes, back in the dayz we wuz all niggaz, none like the ol school mayne
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Shallow on December 09, 2006, 07:33:44 PM
(Shallow)  - Also there is no proof that higher level Egyptians of that particular era or Jews were blacks. Dark skinned semites that look a lot like Arabs sure, but black? The evidence is thin.

what time period?

there is no question that ancient kemet was black.  it wasn't until the 13th dynasty when hyksos (caucasians) moved into kemet in large numbers.  after the hykso reign was overthrown hyksos remained in lower kemet and continued to cause problems, as they worshipped foreign gods and had allegiances elsewhere.

the original jews?  the levite priestly caste was actually kemetic.  thus black.  however their doctrine was later distorted.


No question? Don't be silly. Nothing that far back can be with out question. Does Kemet stand for the black soil by the nile, or the black people in the Egypt? If one were to actually see the source material they'd come to realize that so much is derived from the educated guesses of professors. Who says the hyksos were caucasian? Anyway that's beside the point. We are talking about the era that blasphemous "muslim" was talking about, and that was the era of Moses. When was that? Well realistically we don't even know if he existed, but lets say between 1500 and 1400 BC. By that time the Hyksos reign had come and gone. So what did Moses look like, and how mixed were Egyptians by that time? Did Egyptians and Jews look the same? Or was Egypt so diverse by then that members of the same family could look pretty different? Of course we have to keep in mind that Moses may not have existed and that the entire Torah could be allegory. No question; I don't think so. Too many questions is more like it.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: nibs on December 10, 2006, 08:35:42 PM
(shallow) - No question? Don't be silly.

actually, there is no question on this one.  the research has been done.  the evidence is in.

(shallow) - Does Kemet stand for the black soil by the nile, or the black people in the Egypt?

take a look at the monuments standing in the desert on the sand, and ask yourself why they would name their land after the soil of the nile.

put kemet aside.  they referred to themelves as "kemmau" or "kammau". 
kem again means black
au means person, child, "i"...etc. thus, kemmau literally means "black people".

they recognized their ancestors as having come from the south, from kush or punt.

there is no question that kemet was originally black.

(shallow) - If one were to actually see the source material they'd come to realize that so much is derived from the educated guesses of professors.

i've seen materials, texts, how they depicted themselves, and i have several hieroglyphic dictionaries in my possession.
also, medu continues to be read and spoken within africa; but much of that tradition is underground and hidden. 

(shallow) - Who says the hyksos were caucasian?

"asiatic".  i was looking for a better word than "semitic".  the bottom line is the hyksos were not black/african.

(shallow) - We are talking about the era that blasphemous "muslim" was talking about, and that was the era of Moses. When was that? Well realistically we don't even know if he existed, but lets say between 1500 and 1400 BC. By that time the Hyksos reign had come and gone. So what did Moses look like, and how mixed were Egyptians by that time?

if you look at the scholarship khallid muhammad is citing, the only logical explanation for who "moses" was is going to be one of akhenaten's priests or akhenaten himself.  thus moses would have either been kemetic royalty or from a kemetic priestly caste.  eitherway moses himself would have been black.
there is evidence that moses, aaron and all the levites were black and of a kemetic priesthood.  the rest 12 tribes were a mix of "asiatics" and africans.  (kemau). 
if you look at the bibe you will see the levites are counted separately from the 12 tribes, and 2 tribes descend from joseph.  this is in numbers iirc.  anyway, that is the scholarship khallid is referencing.

(shallow) - Did Egyptians and Jews look the same?  Or was Egypt so diverse by then that members of the same family could look pretty different?

there are no jews at this point.  the "israelites" would have been a mix, led by a black, kemetic priesthood.

(shallow) - Of course we have to keep in mind that Moses may not have existed and that the entire Torah could be allegory.

the entire torah is plagiarized, it does contain allegory.

(shallow) - No question; I don't think so. Too many questions is more like it.

questions about the israelites?  sure.  questions about kemet being black africans?  not at all.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: Shallow on December 11, 2006, 07:26:04 AM
So you're telling me that no where in the world will you find expert Egyptologists that debate the race of the Egyptians?


Can you prove with out a doubt the Torah was plagarized and the Quran never was? The answer is no, so stop coming with so much certainty. Nothing is certain when it comes to going back that far. How do you know the hieroglyphics were translated properly (yes I know about the Rosetta stone)? And what does that mean the Jews didn't exist at the time of Moses? I could pull some shit about the Holy Spirit entered my body and told me something was true, therefore it is, but then we'd get nowhere. I saw some idiot speaking to a crowd debating a Christian about Jesus and he'd say shit like "Jesus was..... and this is true, because the Quran is says it is true. And how do we know the Quran is true? Because the Quran told us the Quran is true", and this was followed by cheering coming from the crowd. If you want to appeal to the lowest common denominator that's fine, but don't expect me to buy it. Until I see the "missing link" I 'm not going to accept evolution as fact and thousands of the top scientists will tell me it is, so don't even expect me to accept anything about the ancient times as 100% fact. I'm a Christian who won't even say it is 100% fact that Jesus the person even existed on Earth. Why? Because it isn't.


What would you say to this statement? (just curious):

"The Ancient Greeks were responsoble for bring math, science, and philophy to levels unseen by any civilixation before them."
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At College
Post by: nibs on December 11, 2006, 08:09:29 AM
(Shallow) - So you're telling me that no where in the world will you find expert Egyptologists that debate the race of the Egyptians?

kemet has a complicated history, so the particular time period...etc. is relevent.
kemet was not a single homogenous people but a confederation of tribes.
there was a caste system (traditional african caste system), the royal, priestly, warrior castes originally came from the south and were black.
after thousands of years, the complexion of kemet, particularly lower kemet (northern), began to change.
there are cultures in western and central africa that continue to preserve and maintain history, culture and religious & spiritual traditions that trace directly back to kemet.
there are clear facts, that are cut and dry, and the evidence is overwhelming.

i think the evidence paints a clear picture.

(Shallow) - Can you prove with out a doubt the Torah was plagarized and the Quran never was?

i can prove without a doubt that the qu'ran plagiarizes the torah, and the torah plagiarizes kemetic and sumerian texts.

(Shallow) - How do you know the hieroglyphics were translated properly (yes I know about the Rosetta stone)?

there are other sources.  the priesthood is known to have fled kemet to kush and elsewhere during numerous episodes.  knowlede of medu neter was never lost.

many "hieroglyphics" were translated improperly.

(Shallow) - And what does that mean the Jews didn't exist at the time of Moses?

according to the bible, there are 12 tribes of israel + the levites who are priests, and effectively a 13th tribe without any land.

according to jews, 10 of the 12 tribes were destroyed by babylon.  no mention of what happened to the levites.  jews claim to descend from these 2 remaining tribes.

according to the bible, israelites is a subset of hebrews.  according to jews, they are a subset of israelites.

(Shallow) - I saw some idiot speaking to a crowd debating a Christian about Jesus and he'd say shit like "Jesus was..... and this is true, because the Quran is says it is true. And how do we know the Quran is true?

we do not know that the qu'ran is true.  i agree with you there.


(Shallow) - What would you say to this statement? (just curious):

"The Ancient Greeks were responsoble for bring math, science, and philophy to levels unseen by any civilixation before them."

i would say a more direct question would have been:
"are you an afrocentrist?"

the truth of history should be known.  credit should be given where it is due.  the ancient greeks deserve credit for any and all of their accomplishments.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: *Z* - The Queen of Dubcc on December 11, 2006, 11:41:24 AM
the guy who was cutting these videos must have been completely unbiased... ::)

this guy is such a racist, i mean the jew who was taking crap before him was a racist too, but khalid muhammad is really one of the biggest racist assholes ive ever seen.
Title: Re: Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll
Post by: sonofisis on December 13, 2006, 07:03:49 PM
Haha, this guy was the truth! In there getting those Jews heated, lmao! R.I.P Khalid Abdul Muhammed, may peace be with you. He was a very misguided, yet logical and intelligent man..