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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: MIAMI4LIFE on January 19, 2007, 07:20:35 AM
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got his from sohh, Greg anthony being interviewd
http://espn-mp3-od.andomedia.com/esp...01162007_8.mp3
I think he means that Kobe runs the triangle better than Jordan did, Pippen was more of the point running the triangle in Chicago, Kobe has the ball always in his hands, what y'all think?
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He's right. Oh, and before all you Laker haters starts to write bullshit, it doesn't mean Kobe > Jordan. Understand it first, then comment.
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Phil knows what's up. Kobe is a god. This is where i'm gonna stop talking
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I can see it's probably only a matter of time until those Lakers get arrogant again. :(
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Yea...Based on the stuff Phil has said in the past, it would seem he prefers Kobe over Jordan...Pretty surprising stuff.
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Yea...Based on the stuff Phil has said in the past, it would seem he prefers Kobe over Jordan...Pretty surprising stuff.
Even Tex Winters said that Kobe is more coachable than Jordan was, this would lead me to believe that Kobe is more of a team player than Jordan was at least in the mind of the coaches
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when it counted jordan was coachable, he even passed the ball to the white guy during crunch time of the last game of his first championship
you also have to consider, that jordan could afford to be an ass. bryant can't. Im sure if bryant would have his dick ridden like wade, he'd be more of an ass.
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Yea...Based on the stuff Phil has said in the past, it would seem he prefers Kobe over Jordan...Pretty surprising stuff.
Even Tex Winters said that Kobe is more coachable than Jordan was, this would lead me to believe that Kobe is more of a team player than Jordan was at least in the mind of the coaches
Yeah but Jordan was like the 2Pac of the NBA. Even if someone is better than him, no one is gonna come out and say it.
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From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
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^ What did he say to Kwame?
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
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i agree that he means he is better at running the triangle...when it comes to jordan being an asshole and what not to his teamates, its more of the fact that hes probably the most competitive athlete ever...like 7even said, jordan threw passes when he had to, paxson, kerr...
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^ What did he say to Kwame?
You don't know about this?...Jordan once called Kwame a "flaming fag" and was always on his case during his stay in Washington. Being drafted by Washington did a number on Kwame's mentality... :-\
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^ What did he say to Kwame?
You don't know about this?...Jordan once called Kwame a "flaming fag" and was always on his case during his stay in Washington. Being drafted by Washington did a number on Kwame's mentality... :-\
No shit? I knew they didn't see eye to eye but I didn't know he called him a fag.
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
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^ What did he say to Kwame?
You don't know about this?...Jordan once called Kwame a "flaming fag" and was always on his case during his stay in Washington. Being drafted by Washington did a number on Kwame's mentality... :-\
he was drafted #1 straight outta HS right? Jordan had a right to be on his case, Wizards wasted a #1 pick on him, he was clearly not worth it even til this day. Yes he did come straight out of HS but he hasn't had an impact like past #1 picks straight from HS for example: Kobe, James, and K.G.
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the link to the vid dont work :(
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phil also has all of his hands finges covered with championship rings, and one of his toes has a championship ring on it.
i think he knows what hes talkin about
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Phil knows what he is saying.
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
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^ What did he say to Kwame?
You don't know about this?...Jordan once called Kwame a "flaming fag" and was always on his case during his stay in Washington. Being drafted by Washington did a number on Kwame's mentality... :-\
he was drafted #1 straight outta HS right? Jordan had a right to be on his case, Wizards wasted a #1 pick on him, he was clearly not worth it even til this day. Yes he did come straight out of HS but he hasn't had an impact like past #1 picks straight from HS for example: Kobe, James, and K.G.
He had a right to shred the confidence of a budding high school prospect? Anyone who knows anything knows that it takes patience to develop a player coming directly out of high school...Not only did Jordan let Kwame have it on a regular basis, the whole city of Washington basically turned their back on him and showed 0 support... and to think, he was barely 24 when he got to the Lakers...Look at the quick progression he made here. Now he's one of our more reliable defenders and starting center...And dude still has his best years ahead of him...Kwame needed a system like the Lakers, one that would allow him to grow into the player he had the ability to become...PeACe
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
Just like you have no idea what happened when Jordan allegedly called Kwame a flaming fag.
It was widely reported what Kobe said, don't act like it didn't happen. Why don't you ask that same question of those who randomly brought up Mike calling Kwame a fag? What the fuck does that have to do with Phil saying that Kobe runs the triangle better? It's cuz you don't give a fuck if someone's biggin up Kobe, but as soon as somebody goes the other direction you put on your Kobe Cape to save the day.
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
Just like you have no idea what happened when Jordan allegedly called Kwame a flaming fag.
It was widely reported what Kobe said, don't act like it didn't happen. Why don't you ask that same question of those who randomly brought up Mike calling Kwame a fag? What the fuck does that have to do with Phil saying that Kobe runs the triangle better? It's cuz you don't give a fuck if someone's biggin up Kobe, but as soon as somebody goes the other direction you put on your Kobe Cape to save the day.
Yea, but everything was relating to the thread up until you randomly went on about "Kobe snitching"...LMAO. Come on now, you can hate better than that...
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
Just like you have no idea what happened when Jordan allegedly called Kwame a flaming fag.
It was widely reported what Kobe said, don't act like it didn't happen. Why don't you ask that same question of those who randomly brought up Mike calling Kwame a fag? What the fuck does that have to do with Phil saying that Kobe runs the triangle better? It's cuz you don't give a fuck if someone's biggin up Kobe, but as soon as somebody goes the other direction you put on your Kobe Cape to save the day.
Yea, but everything was relating to the thread up until you randomly went on about "Kobe snitching"...LMAO. Come on now, you can hate better than that...
Get the fuck outta here. You were starting to get riled up blaming Jordan for Kwame's "mentality". Plus it turned into a Jordan hate fest, so I had to throw out the balance. Did Jordan call him a fag? Probably. But Kobe's done much worse shit, so before you start hating just realize that your hero has done even more disgusting acts.
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
Just like you have no idea what happened when Jordan allegedly called Kwame a flaming fag.
It was widely reported what Kobe said, don't act like it didn't happen. Why don't you ask that same question of those who randomly brought up Mike calling Kwame a fag? What the fuck does that have to do with Phil saying that Kobe runs the triangle better? It's cuz you don't give a fuck if someone's biggin up Kobe, but as soon as somebody goes the other direction you put on your Kobe Cape to save the day.
Yea, but everything was relating to the thread up until you randomly went on about "Kobe snitching"...LMAO. Come on now, you can hate better than that...
Get the fuck outta here. You were starting to get riled up blaming Jordan for Kwame's "mentality". Plus it turned into a Jordan hate fest, so I had to throw out the balance. Did Jordan call him a fag? Probably. But Kobe's done much worse shit, so before you start hating just realize that your hero has done even more disgusting acts.
I was getting riled up? I answered a question in conjunction with the thread...If you wanna "balance" shit out, open a NEW thread about Kobe and hate on him in there all you want, don't come in here and ruin a perfectly good thread with your nonsense...PeACe
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i also remember Phil saying kobe was uncoachable.
Please ignore that and fall in line with the rest. Thanks.
Remember when Kobe snitched on Shaq? That was hilarious. I'd say that FAR surpasses calling somebody a flaming fag. I bet there's not a person in here that hasn't called someone a fag. But how many of you motherfuckers would snitch on another man who has nothing to do with your situation when you're being brought down? Definition of a bitch.
How did he snitch? You have no idea what happened...You act like he was tryna get Shaq in trouble...And what does this have to do with the thread anyways? LOL.
Just like you have no idea what happened when Jordan allegedly called Kwame a flaming fag.
It was widely reported what Kobe said, don't act like it didn't happen. Why don't you ask that same question of those who randomly brought up Mike calling Kwame a fag? What the fuck does that have to do with Phil saying that Kobe runs the triangle better? It's cuz you don't give a fuck if someone's biggin up Kobe, but as soon as somebody goes the other direction you put on your Kobe Cape to save the day.
Yea, but everything was relating to the thread up until you randomly went on about "Kobe snitching"...LMAO. Come on now, you can hate better than that...
Get the fuck outta here. You were starting to get riled up blaming Jordan for Kwame's "mentality". Plus it turned into a Jordan hate fest, so I had to throw out the balance. Did Jordan call him a fag? Probably. But Kobe's done much worse shit, so before you start hating just realize that your hero has done even more disgusting acts.
I was getting riled up? I answered a question in conjunction with the thread...If you wanna "balance" shit out, open a NEW thread about Kobe and hate on him in there all you want, don't come in here and ruin a perfectly good thread with your nonsense...PeACe
So when somebody wants to talk about Jordan calling Kwame a fag it's ok, but when somebody makes the same connection about what Kobe did it's not? You're a joke.
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You know very well what you did, loser...Go find another thread to ride dick in, stop ruining the good ones.
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You know very well what you did, loser...Go find another thread to ride dick in, stop ruining the good ones.
Quit being a pussy. You know you're wrong. If I would have jumped in and ragged on Jordan you wouldn't have said shit and you know it.
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What you said had nothing to do with what was being discussed in the thread, it came out of nowhere. You admitted it yourself, it was to "balance" shit out..
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What you said had nothing to do with what was being discussed in the thread, it came out of nowhere. You admitted it yourself, it was to "balance" shit out..
Oh really? Well neither did the Jordan calling Kwame a fag comments. It had NOTHING to do with Phil saying Kobe was better at running their offense than Jordan. Just be equal about it and theres no problem.
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What you said had nothing to do with what was being discussed in the thread, it came out of nowhere. You admitted it yourself, it was to "balance" shit out..
Oh really? Well neither did the Jordan calling Kwame a fag comments. It had NOTHING to do with Phil saying Kobe was better at running their offense than Jordan. Just be equal about it and theres no problem.
Are you denying that you used "Kobe snitching" as a rebuttle? Just admit that you came in here to hate on Kobe and (in your mind) "even things out"...It's very obvious. you might think it doesn't shine, but trust that it does...
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
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:argue:
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
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Jordan punched Kerr - Fact
Jordan called Kwame a faggot - Fact
Jordan was on Kwame's ass - Fact
Kobe told the police Shaq paid off women he slept with - Fact
Jordan is a huge prick - Fact
Get "When Nothing Else Matters: Michael Jordan's Last Comeback" and you will see all the crap Jordan did. It's hilarious. Also, "The Jordan Rules" was excellent.
The strangest thing I heard about Kobe though was that he went to his financial planner guy and said, "Hey, I want to build and live in a castle" Of course this castle was going to have to be built in Southern California. The guy said, that would be a terrible decision and was fired. Kobe asked another financial dude and he said the same thing.
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
LOL. You're hilarious...It has nothing to do with talking bad about Kobe, it's about coming in here with the intention of pissing off Laker/Kobe fans by throwing out a Kobe diss rather than debating the topic, and you know very well that's what you did...I'm not gunna sit here and argue about it, just try to act mature and respond to threads with the intention of dicsussing the topic please...Now, do you have an opinion on the topic? What do you think about Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan?
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
LOL. You're hilarious...It has nothing to do with talking bad about Kobe, it's about coming in here with the intention of pissing off Laker/Kobe fans by throwing out a Kobe diss rather than debating the topic, and you know very well that's what you did...I'm not gunna sit here and argue about it, just try to act mature and respond to threads with the intention of dicsussing the topic please...Now, do you have an opinion on the topic? What do you think about Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan?
Then why didn't you care when there were several posts talking about Jordan being an asshole? If it's ok to bring in some examples that show that Jordan's an asshole, why isn't it ok to do the same with Kobe?
Just click your diss button some more pussy. I know it makes you feel better.
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
LOL. You're hilarious...It has nothing to do with talking bad about Kobe, it's about coming in here with the intention of pissing off Laker/Kobe fans by throwing out a Kobe diss rather than debating the topic, and you know very well that's what you did...I'm not gunna sit here and argue about it, just try to act mature and respond to threads with the intention of dicsussing the topic please...Now, do you have an opinion on the topic? What do you think about Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan?
Then why didn't you care when there were several posts talking about Jordan being an asshole? If it's ok to bring in some examples that show that Jordan's an asshole, why isn't it ok to do the same with Kobe?
Just click your diss button some more pussy. I know it makes you feel better.
You still don't get what I'm saying? R-Tistic came in here with the intention of discussing the topic, not with the intention of pissing people off and starting shit like you did...It's very simple.
"My karma :'( :'( :'("...bitch. I asked you a question to get your lame ass back on topic, but that's obviously too hard for you...
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
LOL. You're hilarious...It has nothing to do with talking bad about Kobe, it's about coming in here with the intention of pissing off Laker/Kobe fans by throwing out a Kobe diss rather than debating the topic, and you know very well that's what you did...I'm not gunna sit here and argue about it, just try to act mature and respond to threads with the intention of dicsussing the topic please...Now, do you have an opinion on the topic? What do you think about Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan?
Then why didn't you care when there were several posts talking about Jordan being an asshole? If it's ok to bring in some examples that show that Jordan's an asshole, why isn't it ok to do the same with Kobe?
Just click your diss button some more pussy. I know it makes you feel better.
You still don't get what I'm saying? R-Tistic came in here with the intention of discussing the topic, not with the intention of pissing people off and starting shit like you did...It's very simple.
"My karma :'( :'( :'("...bitch. I asked you a question to get your lame ass back on topic, but that's obviously too hard for you...
Exactly, I rebutted his comment that "Kobe would never take it there". It was in the context of the conversation. Why don't you understand that?
LOL@ you crying while clicking the diss button.
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I'll make this as simple as possible for you:
From what I hear, Jordan was MUCH MORE of an asshole than Kobe. Kobe may have been much more of a recluse or "loner" before 2005, and he probably wasn't sociable at all.....but they say Jordan was a complete asshole who would never shut his mouth. I remember him telling other players not to pass it to Bill Cartwright back in 91-92. We all know what he said to Kwame. I don't think Kobe would ever take it there.
That comment that i highlighted is what I was responding to. My point was a complete rebuttal of that statement. Now, admit you wouldn't have a problem if I would have called Jordan an asshole, while the fact that I called Kobe a snitch got you catchin feelings as always.
Now quit ruining the thread.
LOL. You're hilarious...It has nothing to do with talking bad about Kobe, it's about coming in here with the intention of pissing off Laker/Kobe fans by throwing out a Kobe diss rather than debating the topic, and you know very well that's what you did...I'm not gunna sit here and argue about it, just try to act mature and respond to threads with the intention of dicsussing the topic please...Now, do you have an opinion on the topic? What do you think about Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan?
Then why didn't you care when there were several posts talking about Jordan being an asshole? If it's ok to bring in some examples that show that Jordan's an asshole, why isn't it ok to do the same with Kobe?
Just click your diss button some more pussy. I know it makes you feel better.
You still don't get what I'm saying? R-Tistic came in here with the intention of discussing the topic, not with the intention of pissing people off and starting shit like you did...It's very simple.
"My karma :'( :'( :'("...bitch. I asked you a question to get your lame ass back on topic, but that's obviously too hard for you...
Exactly, I rebutted his comment that "Kobe would never take it there". It was in the context of the conversation. Why don't you understand that?
LOL@ you crying while clicking the diss button.
I'm not the one worried about my karma and crying about it like a pathetic little girl...As soon as I saw that you had the last post in this thread, I knew it would in some way connect to you dissing Lakers/Kobe. That's ALL you ever do in the Sports section. I'd say that's about 10 times lamer than coming into this section to talk about your favorite player/team, which you try dissing me for all the time...Now, do you have an opinion on Kobe being/having the chance to be better than Jordan or not?
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LOL, if I was worried about my karma dropping you think I'd come into a thread with your name on it? Please keep dissing if it makes you feel better. Why don't you have a problem with the discussions on why Jordan's an asshole? My post was just as relevant as those posts. So if you don't have a problem with those, you shouldn't have a problem with mine. It's really simple.
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LOL, if I was worried about my karma dropping you think I'd come into a thread with your name on it? Please keep dissing if it makes you feel better. Why don't you have a problem with the discussions on why Jordan's an asshole? My post was just as relevant as those posts. So if you don't have a problem with those, you shouldn't have a problem with mine. It's really simple.
I have a problem with you coming into threads with the intention of starting stuff, what's so hard to comprehend? R-Tistic's intentions in posting were obviously completely different than yours...Say bye to your precious karma, whining bitch...
Another thread ruined by Jrome. ::)
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
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and as far as karma goes, NIK , you are the one concerned with karma more than anyone else. Every time someone responds to one of your dickriding posts, you are the one hitting karma buttons. Its no secret that everyones karma drops after they enter threads with you in them LOL
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the only person ruining threads is NIK because he doesnt realize that anyone else is entitled to their own opinion (especially when it comes to Kobe) stop trying to prove everyone wrong NIK nobody cares what you think
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LOL, if I was worried about my karma dropping you think I'd come into a thread with your name on it? Please keep dissing if it makes you feel better. Why don't you have a problem with the discussions on why Jordan's an asshole? My post was just as relevant as those posts. So if you don't have a problem with those, you shouldn't have a problem with mine. It's really simple.
I have a problem with you coming into threads with the intention of starting stuff, what's so hard to comprehend? R-Tistic's intentions in posting were obviously completely different than yours...Say bye to your precious karma, whining bitch...
Another thread ruined by Jrome. ::)
ooooooohhh look at the tough guy making karma threats. I'm trembling while I type this.
No, you ruined the thread. It was going along just fine until you hopped on my nuts and went off on a tangent that my post was off topic when it was exactly the same thing that everyone else was discussing. The only difference is that I was referring to Kobe rather than Jordan. That's why you get no respect bruh.
You answered whoever's question about what it was that Jordan said to Kwame. I responded to R-Tistic's comment that "Kobe would never take it there". It's the exact same thing. You have no case here. So quit ruining the thread.
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and as far as karma goes, NIK , you are the one concerned with karma more than anyone else. Every time someone responds to one of your dickriding posts, you are the one hitting karma buttons. Its no secret that everyones karma drops after they enter threads with you in them LOL
I only drop karma if you continuesly bitch about it and point fingers like a little girl...You should know this from experience. ;)
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LOL, if I was worried about my karma dropping you think I'd come into a thread with your name on it? Please keep dissing if it makes you feel better. Why don't you have a problem with the discussions on why Jordan's an asshole? My post was just as relevant as those posts. So if you don't have a problem with those, you shouldn't have a problem with mine. It's really simple.
I have a problem with you coming into threads with the intention of starting stuff, what's so hard to comprehend? R-Tistic's intentions in posting were obviously completely different than yours...Say bye to your precious karma, whining bitch...
Another thread ruined by Jrome. ::)
ooooooohhh look at the tough guy making karma threats. I'm trembling while I type this.
No, you ruined the thread. It was going along just fine until you hopped on my nuts and went off on a tangent that my post was off topic when it was exactly the same thing that everyone else was discussing. The only difference is that I was referring to Kobe rather than Jordan. That's why you get no respect bruh.
You answered whoever's question about what it was that Jordan said to Kwame. I responded to R-Tistic's comment that "Kobe would never take it there". It's the exact same thing. You have no case here. So quit ruining the thread.
You're right man! 99% of your posts in this section aren't dissing Lakers/Kobe... I musta been confused. ::)
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and as far as karma goes, NIK , you are the one concerned with karma more than anyone else. Every time someone responds to one of your dickriding posts, you are the one hitting karma buttons. Its no secret that everyones karma drops after they enter threads with you in them LOL
I only drop karma if you continuesly bitch about it and point fingers like a little girl...You should know this from experience. ;)
thats not true and you know it, and besides, YOU were the one talking about karma before I even entered this thread
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LOL, if I was worried about my karma dropping you think I'd come into a thread with your name on it? Please keep dissing if it makes you feel better. Why don't you have a problem with the discussions on why Jordan's an asshole? My post was just as relevant as those posts. So if you don't have a problem with those, you shouldn't have a problem with mine. It's really simple.
I have a problem with you coming into threads with the intention of starting stuff, what's so hard to comprehend? R-Tistic's intentions in posting were obviously completely different than yours...Say bye to your precious karma, whining bitch...
Another thread ruined by Jrome. ::)
ooooooohhh look at the tough guy making karma threats. I'm trembling while I type this.
No, you ruined the thread. It was going along just fine until you hopped on my nuts and went off on a tangent that my post was off topic when it was exactly the same thing that everyone else was discussing. The only difference is that I was referring to Kobe rather than Jordan. That's why you get no respect bruh.
You answered whoever's question about what it was that Jordan said to Kwame. I responded to R-Tistic's comment that "Kobe would never take it there". It's the exact same thing. You have no case here. So quit ruining the thread.
You're right man! 99% of your posts in this section aren't dissing Lakers/Kobe... I musta been confused. ::)
99% of your posts in this section are you crying when somebody says anything negative about your fantasy lover Kobe.
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
Yea, cuz everyone knows that stats and MVP trophies mean everything...Nash is a way better player than Kobe since he has 2 MVPs and Kobe has none, huh? ::)...Kobe will probably NEVER win an MVP with the way the media treats him. That doesn't mean he wont be better than pretty much every player who ever did when it's all said and done...I can list you a bunch of things Kobe accomplished that Jordan never did to make it seem like he's greater, starting with an 81 point game and being a key piece to win titles in his early 20s, but that's not what makes a player the greatest...Jordan definitely had a bigger impact on the game as of now, especially since his timing was perfect with marketing just taking off etc. but that's also not what makes someone the greatest. How great they are is what makes someone the greatest, and for the first half of Kobe's career, he has done some of the most remarkable shit basketball has ever seen, so yes, it will be debatable at the very least when it's all said and done as to who's the greatest...It's all a matter of opinion, but you can ask Phil for a confirmation...
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
LOL@ the one thing Kobe needs to improve is his off the ball handling to be the undisputed GOAT. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!11 That's easily the dumbest, most ridiculous thing I've EVER read on this board. This guy is fucking delusional.
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wasn't it Bill Cartwright or Horace Grant who got some shit said to them during practice
and he took Jordan aside and said if he did that again he'd break his legs so bad he wouldnt ever walk
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wasn't it Bill Cartwright or Horace Grant who got some shit said to them during practice
and he took Jordan aside and said if he did that again he'd break his legs so bad he wouldnt ever walk
Bill Cartwright is gangsta.
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
LOL@ the one thing Kobe needs to improve is his off the ball handling to be the undisputed GOAT. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!11 That's easily the dumbest, most ridiculous thing I've EVER read on this board. This guy is fucking delusional.
Wait a minute, hold up, let me get this straight...Phil Jackson says Kobe is better than Jordan at dribbling, passing, shooting, playing with the basketball, running the triangle, says he has better courtvision and range, yet I say Kobe just needs to work on his off-the-ball game to be considered greater and you say I'M delusional? Get the fuck outta here, bitch-made ass hater...You probably don't even know what the fuck we're talking about, "off the ball handling", LMAO.
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It's all a matter of opinion, but you can ask Phil for a confirmation...
:camp: no, its alright. You go ahead and ask him next time you see him tho
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:camp:
:laugh:
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:camp:
:laugh:
what I was trying to say is, "You're a fag"
incase you didnt understand
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
LOL@ the one thing Kobe needs to improve is his off the ball handling to be the undisputed GOAT. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!11 That's easily the dumbest, most ridiculous thing I've EVER read on this board. This guy is fucking delusional.
Wait a minute, hold up, let me get this straight...Phil Jackson says Kobe is better than Jordan at dribbling, passing, shooting, playing with the basketball, running the triangle, says he has better courtvision and range, yet I say Kobe just needs to work on his off-the-ball game to be considered greater and you say I'M delusional? Get the fuck outta here, bitch-made ass hater...You probably don't even know what the fuck we're talking about, "off the ball handling", LMAO.
Phil also said Kobe was uncoachable. And still LMFAO that "if Kobe improves his off the gall game he'll be the undisputed GOAT". What a retard.
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:camp:
:laugh:
what I was trying to say is, "You're a fag"
incase you didnt understand
It's always good to try... :D
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
LOL@ the one thing Kobe needs to improve is his off the ball handling to be the undisputed GOAT. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!11 That's easily the dumbest, most ridiculous thing I've EVER read on this board. This guy is fucking delusional.
Wait a minute, hold up, let me get this straight...Phil Jackson says Kobe is better than Jordan at dribbling, passing, shooting, playing with the basketball, running the triangle, says he has better courtvision and range, yet I say Kobe just needs to work on his off-the-ball game to be considered greater and you say I'M delusional? Get the fuck outta here, bitch-made ass hater...You probably don't even know what the fuck we're talking about, "off the ball handling", LMAO.
Phil also said Kobe was uncoachable. And still LMFAO that "if Kobe improves his off the gall game he'll be the undisputed GOAT". What a retard.
You're an idiot, tons of people think Kobe has a chance to be considered the GOAT when it's all said and done. Get that hate out ya system, son...
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Back on topic, there is no doubt about that , if Phil talks about the initiator in the triangle... anyway Jordan had barely the ball in the beginning of the possession ... it was Pippen or sometimes Harper... most of the time Jordan was on the low post to shoot fadeaway or go to the hoop... anyway yep Kobe wasn't social at his early age, but now he's a leader , a father for this young team (he said it himself...). Don't forget Jordan didn't trust his teammates til the early 90s... but since he's Jordan, you can't criticize him (didn't he punch Steve Kerr ? )
Yea...Jordan was amazing at moving without the ball though. I believe that if Kobe developed his off-the-ball game some more, he'd easily end up the undisputed GOAT...
NIK, its not possible for anyone to deep throat a Kobe cock more than you. It is true that at one point Phil said Kobe was uncoachable, and it is also true that Kobe snitched on Shaq. But lets forget about that for a minute
Kobe improving his "off the ball game" is not going to make him the GOAT by any means
Try this:
5 time League MVP
6 Time NBA finals MVP
6 Time NBA Champion
10 time NBA scoring champ
10 time all NBA first team
9 time NBA all defensive team
First all time PPG average
Second in all time steals
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring
Holds NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double digits
I could go on and on.....Point is, Kobe is NOT EVEN CLOSE to any of these accomplishments. At this point in his career, he really has no chance of being considered above Mike. Skill wise, he may be as good, but he wont ever touch Jordan in terms of what hes done for the game, and putting his stamp on the game.
LOL@ the one thing Kobe needs to improve is his off the ball handling to be the undisputed GOAT. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!11 That's easily the dumbest, most ridiculous thing I've EVER read on this board. This guy is fucking delusional.
Wait a minute, hold up, let me get this straight...Phil Jackson says Kobe is better than Jordan at dribbling, passing, shooting, playing with the basketball, running the triangle, says he has better courtvision and range, yet I say Kobe just needs to work on his off-the-ball game to be considered greater and you say I'M delusional? Get the fuck outta here, bitch-made ass hater...You probably don't even know what the fuck we're talking about, "off the ball handling", LMAO.
Phil also said Kobe was uncoachable. And still LMFAO that "if Kobe improves his off the gall game he'll be the undisputed GOAT". What a retard.
You're an idiot, tons of people think Kobe has a chance to be considered the GOAT when it's all said and done. Get that hate out ya system, son...
Tons of Laker fans maybe. Get Kobe's dick out ya mouf, son.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
LOL@ you being mad that your video backfired.
You're mad because I agree with Pippen, and commented about the funny comments in the vid YOU posted? You shouldn't have posted it if you didn't want a reaction.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
LOL@ you being mad that your video backfired.
You're mad because I agree with Pippen, and commented about the funny comments in the vid YOU posted? You shouldn't have posted it if you didn't want a reaction.
The guy is a fuckin moron. What do you expect from NIK?
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
LOL@ you being mad that your video backfired.
You're mad because I agree with Pippen, and commented about the funny comments in the vid YOU posted? You shouldn't have posted it if you didn't want a reaction.
I'm mad? You said that only Laker fans would say Kobe has a chance to be the GOAT, I post a video completely disproving your theory, yet you tell me I "should have picked another video" all because in the video Scottie Pippen (Michael Jordan's very own right-hand man) said that in his opinion, Mark Jackson "made valid points, but it's too premature to say who'll be better". LMFAO! Classic, man...I don't give a fuck if in your opinion Jordan will end up GOAT, my whole point was that it's very valid to think otherwise, but you're too much of a bitch and a hater to admit that... :-\
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NIK, Im trying to prove you and your boy Mark Jackson wrong, but you dont seem to wanna respond to this
Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
LOL@ you being mad that your video backfired.
You're mad because I agree with Pippen, and commented about the funny comments in the vid YOU posted? You shouldn't have posted it if you didn't want a reaction.
I'm mad? You said that only Laker fans would say Kobe has a chance to be the GOAT, I post a video completely disproving your theory, yet you tell me I "should have picked another video" all because in the video Scottie Pippen (Michael Jordan's very own right-hand man) said that in his opinion, Mark Jackson "made valid points, but it's too premature to say who'll be better". LMFAO! Classic, man...I don't give a fuck if in your opinion Jordan will end up GOAT, my whole point was that it's very valid to think otherwise, but you're too much of a bitch and a hater to admit that... :-\
You forget the part where he got laughed at, and then clowned by Dan Patrick for having a "man crush".
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bUdkzDQvWn8
I agree with everything Pippen said. And LMMFAO at Dan Patrick telling Mark Jackson to talk some more about his "man crush". It's exactly what goes on in here! Plus him and Scottie were like "I have nothing to say" insinuating how ridiculous Jackson's statements were.
I think you should have picked a different video queef.
LMFAO! There's no winning with you haters...
LOL@ you being mad that your video backfired.
You're mad because I agree with Pippen, and commented about the funny comments in the vid YOU posted? You shouldn't have posted it if you didn't want a reaction.
I'm mad? You said that only Laker fans would say Kobe has a chance to be the GOAT, I post a video completely disproving your theory, yet you tell me I "should have picked another video" all because in the video Scottie Pippen (Michael Jordan's very own right-hand man) said that in his opinion, Mark Jackson "made valid points, but it's too premature to say who'll be better". LMFAO! Classic, man...I don't give a fuck if in your opinion Jordan will end up GOAT, my whole point was that it's very valid to think otherwise, but you're too much of a bitch and a hater to admit that... :-\
You forget the part where he got laughed at, and then clowned by Dan Patrick for having a "man crush".
You were still wrong, mitchell...
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
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LMAO at you kobe faggots. kobe is the #1 player in the league, but he is not on jordan's level, at all. JORDAN is the GOAT, theres no arguing that shit, jordan has a million times more heart then kobe ever will, and thats all that matter elior... 8) go find some grand daddy ya bitch!!!
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
Oh so now you don't want to throw out Kobe's rookie year? Gully.
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
Oh so now you don't want to throw out Kobe's rookie year? Gully.
Nobody's throwing out years here, what don't you get? Kobe came into the league under completely different circumstances than Jordan did, developing into the player he has become while in the NBA...That's why career stats will never equate to who the better player was when at their best...Got it yet?
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
Oh so now you don't want to throw out Kobe's rookie year? Gully.
Nobody's throwing out years here, what don't you get? Kobe came into the league under completely different circumstances than Jordan did, developing into the player he has become while in the NBA...That's why career stats will never equate to who the better player was when at their best...Got it yet?
Queefy, get real. You know that if Kobe had better stats, you'd be parading them on here all over the place. You know it, I know it, everybody on this fucking forum knows it.
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
Oh so now you don't want to throw out Kobe's rookie year? Gully.
Nobody's throwing out years here, what don't you get? Kobe came into the league under completely different circumstances than Jordan did, developing into the player he has become while in the NBA...That's why career stats will never equate to who the better player was when at their best...Got it yet?
Queefy, get real. You know that if Kobe had better stats, you'd be parading them on here all over the place. You know it, I know it, everybody on this fucking forum knows it.
MAYBE if they came into the league under the same circumstances and were placed in similar situations, but not if their development stages were like the difference between night and day. That's flat out dumb...
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Mark Jackson - "Kobe Bryant is a better ball handler, better shooter and better scorer than Michael Jordan"
Scottie Pippen basically saying "No, hes is not close"
Kobe Bryant Career Stats
.453 Field Goal %
1.5 Steal PG
24.1 PPG
2.9 Turnovers PG
Michael Jordan Career Stats
.497 Field Goal %
2.3 Steal PG
2.7 Turnovers PG
30.1 PPG
LOL, there ya go NIK....Mark Jackson is full of shit. Kobe isnt a better shooter(lower FG%), isnt a better ball handler(more turnovers), isnt a better scorer (less PPG) and isnt as good defensively (less steals PG).
Put this baby to bed.
LMAO@using career stats to determine who's better when Kobe came out of high school and averaged 7 points a game off the bench in his rookie season...Priceless.
Queef, if you want to say Kobe is better you gotta look at it top to bottom. You can't just throw out a year or two because it further disproves your point. This is sad. It's not Jordan's fault that Kobe wasn't ready to get real PT as a rookie. But he played in 71 games.
Throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and compare again if you want. At least it's apples to apples.
You're joking, right? Kobe's situation coming into the league is not comparable to Jordan's...LMAO. You make the absolute dumbest points, man. Just give the hating up, it's getting you nowhere...
LMFAO. I could cite at least 3 occassions in this thread alone where you attempted to make a point only to be shut down time and time again. Luckily (for my entertainments sake) you're too stupid to realize it and continue posting.
You're the one that wants to throw out Kobe's rookie year eventhough he played in 71 games. Like I said, throw out Jordan's statistically worst year and then you can throw out Kobe's. You're such a pussy "throw out Kobe's first year, he was so young, his situation is different". If you're gonna make statements like "Kobe will be the undisputed GOAT" then you better back it up.
Queef, you think it's a valid comparison and throw out an entire season for one guy but not do it for the other? Did you go to school?
LMFAO! Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be? It's not about throwing out seasons, LOLLLLL. Kobe came into the league at the age of 17 out of high school, playing behind an all-star Eddie Jones on a contending Laker squad. Any jackass with ANY sort of common sense knows that their situations are not even comparable, LMFAO@your way of thinking, "throwing out seasons". That's fucking ridiculous... :grumpy:
Oh so now you don't want to throw out Kobe's rookie year? Gully.
Nobody's throwing out years here, what don't you get? Kobe came into the league under completely different circumstances than Jordan did, developing into the player he has become while in the NBA...That's why career stats will never equate to who the better player was when at their best...Got it yet?
Queefy, get real. You know that if Kobe had better stats, you'd be parading them on here all over the place. You know it, I know it, everybody on this fucking forum knows it.
MAYBE if they came into the league under the same circumstances and were placed in similar situations, but not if their development stages were like the difference between night and day. That's flat out dumb...
Queefy, get real. You know that if Kobe had better stats, you'd be parading them on here all over the place. You know it, I know it, everybody on this fucking forum knows it.
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lmao@Nik using Kobe coming straight out of HS as an excuse. Look at what James did in his rookie year, he shut the critics up, he played like a 5 year vet but Kobe gets special treatment because he played behind Eddie Jones lol.
anyone remember this:
Playoff Series against Utah, Rookie Bryant air-balled two 3-point shots in overtime - one with 35 seconds left, one with four remaining - that enabled Utah to escape with a 98-93 overtime victory and win the Western Conference semifinal four games to one.
Playoff seires against Celtics, 2nd year vet Michael Jordan, who only played in 18 games because of a broken leg, erases Elgin Baylor's NBA playoff record of 61 points by scoring 63 on Larry Bird. after the game Bird responded to Jordan's performance by saying "i think it was God disguised as Michael Jordan." Doesn't get any better than that 8)
I know Kobe was a Rookie and is now a completely different player but IMO you don't BECOME THE GOAT (kobe) You're BORN THE GOAT (JORDAN)
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NIK is like Marsha Brady in a Kobe, Kobe Kobe sorta way
keep hitting my diss button you pussy....be a man and man up when you know you are wrong, ya bitch
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NIK i'm not a big fan of him (i used to love Magic and hate on this dude), but Michael Jordan was a monster, the best SG i've ever seen playing basketball. Kobe is not at the same level. Yes he will be remembered as a legend too, but man right now i think he hasn't reached Jordan's status yet. He's still 28, he can still do great things (like winning other 2-3 titles) and he's still in a process where he's changing his game (now he's playing like a real leader, and the Lakers are looking good) for good. But c'mon, even if i didn't like him (i mean being a Laker fan you couldn't love him), Jordan > Bryant. No fucking discussion.
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NIK i'm not a big fan of him (i used to love Magic and hate on this dude), but Michael Jordan was a monster, the best SG i've ever seen playing basketball. Kobe is not at the same level. Yes he will be remembered as a legend too, but man right now i think he hasn't reached Jordan's status yet. He's still 28, he can still do great things (like winning other 2-3 titles) and he's still in a process where he's changing his game (now he's playing like a real leader, and the Lakers are looking good) for good. But c'mon, even if i didn't like him (i mean being a Laker fan you couldn't love him), Jordan > Bryant. No fucking discussion.
+1.
Exactly what I'm saying. Kobe still has many years in front of him, who knows what may happen. Maybe he'll get 5 more rings, 5 MVPs, etc. But at the same time, maybe not. Either way, it's completely ridiculous to think that all Kobe has to do now is master moving w/o the ball to be the undisputed GOAT right now. That really is by far, the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board.
I've realized that I had the wrong view of 99% of "Laker Fans" in this section. NEARLY every one is very logical and rational. They are still VERY passionate about their favorite team, but they are still knowledgable and not dickriders. I actually enjoy reading their insight into their team.
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
great points, and good research
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
great points, and good research
god damn...way to shut this argument down...just proving more that there will never be another mj
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lmao@Nik using Kobe coming straight out of HS as an excuse. Look at what James did in his rookie year, he shut the critics up, he played like a 5 year vet but Kobe gets special treatment because he played behind Eddie Jones lol.
anyone remember this:
Playoff Series against Utah, Rookie Bryant air-balled two 3-point shots in overtime - one with 35 seconds left, one with four remaining - that enabled Utah to escape with a 98-93 overtime victory and win the Western Conference semifinal four games to one.
Playoff seires against Celtics, 2nd year vet Michael Jordan, who only played in 18 games because of a broken leg, erases Elgin Baylor's NBA playoff record of 61 points by scoring 63 on Larry Bird. after the game Bird responded to Jordan's performance by saying "i think it was God disguised as Michael Jordan." Doesn't get any better than that 8)
I know Kobe was a Rookie and is now a completely different player but IMO you don't BECOME THE GOAT (kobe) You're BORN THE GOAT (JORDAN)
So sinced LeBron didn't have to wait his turn to take over like Kobe did, that means he's greater by your standards? LOL. See, that's what I'm getting at...NO ONE can deny that Kobe has the chance to be greater than Jordan, that's pure hatred if you say otherwise. Kobe is just entering his prime and has already reached the unreachable, to say that because he developed his game under the greatest franchise takes away from how great he has become and how much he's worked to reach that status is a joke...PeACe
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NIK i'm not a big fan of him (i used to love Magic and hate on this dude), but Michael Jordan was a monster, the best SG i've ever seen playing basketball. Kobe is not at the same level. Yes he will be remembered as a legend too, but man right now i think he hasn't reached Jordan's status yet. He's still 28, he can still do great things (like winning other 2-3 titles) and he's still in a process where he's changing his game (now he's playing like a real leader, and the Lakers are looking good) for good. But c'mon, even if i didn't like him (i mean being a Laker fan you couldn't love him), Jordan > Bryant. No fucking discussion.
Of course Jordan was a monster, a legend, one of the greatests the game has ever seen. I never denied that. But Kobe has a tremendous chance to leave the game as the greatest player to ever play, that's undeniable and that's all I've been saying. Kobe barely entered his prime and will probably keep improving well into his 30s, to think of the things hes accomplished and he's only 27 is spectacular, way more than Jordan accomplished by 27. Jordan > Kobe NOW, but Kobe is right on track to take over that number 1 spot, even without the ref treatment Jordan used to get...PeACe
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NIK i'm not a big fan of him (i used to love Magic and hate on this dude), but Michael Jordan was a monster, the best SG i've ever seen playing basketball. Kobe is not at the same level. Yes he will be remembered as a legend too, but man right now i think he hasn't reached Jordan's status yet. He's still 28, he can still do great things (like winning other 2-3 titles) and he's still in a process where he's changing his game (now he's playing like a real leader, and the Lakers are looking good) for good. But c'mon, even if i didn't like him (i mean being a Laker fan you couldn't love him), Jordan > Bryant. No fucking discussion.
+1.
Exactly what I'm saying. Kobe still has many years in front of him, who knows what may happen. Maybe he'll get 5 more rings, 5 MVPs, etc. But at the same time, maybe not. Either way, it's completely ridiculous to think that all Kobe has to do now is master moving w/o the ball to be the undisputed GOAT right now. That really is by far, the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board.
I've realized that I had the wrong view of 99% of "Laker Fans" in this section. NEARLY every one is very logical and rational. They are still VERY passionate about their favorite team, but they are still knowledgable and not dickriders. I actually enjoy reading their insight into their team.
He masters moving without the ball and he will become the most complete player the game has ever seen, eventually collecting those 5 rings you were talking about (not MVPs, since the way the league hands those out is a joke). What you don't get about that is a mystery?
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What the fuck? You cant be serious? This is pure dickriding at its finest. This is the reason why I photoshoped another pic of you. Check it out.
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What the fuck? You cant be serious? This is pure dickriding at its finest. This is the reason why I photoshoped another pic of you. Check it out.
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+1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 That one's never gonna get old!
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
Antonio, I'm under the impression that you've heard more about Jordan than you've actually seen him play. Dude is considered the GOAT right now, no question about it (though I still say Magic was a better overall player, but that's a whole nother story). But you can't forget that the NBA treated Jordan back then like they're doing Wade now, it was almost like looking at him the wrong way was a foul, pretty much the opposite of the current Kobe treatment. Jordan also wasn't exactly contending for championships in the beginning of his career, so if all you got is stats (sort of like a LeBron gets the stats nowadays) and word of mouth up in Italy then you wont see the whole picture...people talk about Jordan like he was a God, like he couldn't miss a shot and was the flawless player, but anyone who's actually watched him play in his days know that isn't exactly the whole truth...Yes, the GOAT right now, but Kobe was a champion when Jordan was still being regarded as a selfish player and awful teammate...Stats don't tell you everything, if that were the case, then even LeBron>Kobe, which we all know is not true...Why do you think Jordan had better stats in the first half of his career, but was easily considered the better player in the second half of his career when his stats went down. It's kinda like Kobe now compared to last year. Kobe is maturing, at an even younger age than Jordan did...That's why I'm saying, anyone who says Kobe doesn't have the chance to surpass Jordan is straight up hating, considering Kobe is just entering his prime years. Think of how lucky we are to have 10 more years of this guy on our team, and he's just now getting to his best. It's actually scary! So just remember, I'm not saying Jordan isn't the GOAT right now, but I am saying that there is a chance he will not always be the GOAT, not in everyones eyes at least...PeACe
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
great points, and good research
god damn...way to shut this argument down...just proving more that there will never be another mj
Yeah it's just too bad he waisted all those valid points on a dickhead who thinks he knows everything.
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Anyway i agree with NIK that Kobe started his career being a bench player, a 17 years old in a world where Europeans and rookies coming straight off high school received no love from the media and the NBA in general. A totally different scenario. Jordan was a complete player from his first day in the NBA. I mean he went to North Carolina college, he won an NCAA title hitting the game-winning shot.. he was mature and he actually improved in his college days (he started as a bench player and he finished as a starter). Kobe had this maturation time in the Lakers. So his first 3 years were like college years for him, still improving menthally, tecnically and phisically. So to be more precise we should compare the stats of Jordan being 21-28 to the ones of Kobe being 21-28. I did. And, surprisingly, Jordan's stats are STILL better. Man Jordan won his first MVP trophy at 25. And the year before, when he was 24, he got arguably "robbed" of the title by Larry Bird (something like Nash with Kobe last year) (oh, the numbers? 37.1 points per fucking game!! :o). Man at 25 he won the scoring title with an average of 35 ppg and at the same time he won the defensive player of the year award (3.16 fucking steals per game). Plus the MVP trophy, obiously. By the time he was 28, he won 3 MVP titles (plus the one robbed) and 2 NBA titles by being the 1st offensive option of the team and the best defender at the same time. C'mon, NIK. He was not human. Kobe is great. A legend already. But right now i'd put Jordan over him easly.
great points, and good research
god damn...way to shut this argument down...just proving more that there will never be another mj
Yeah it's just too bad he waisted all those valid points on a dickhead who thinks he knows everything.
:'( :'( :'(
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i believe we need to see if Kobe even wins a championship let alone win 3 or 4 more with a couple of MVPs to even see him come close to Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT hands down, kobe has a chance but not big of a chance that you think Nik.
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Antonio, I'm under the impression that you've heard more about Jordan than you've actually seen him play. Dude is considered the GOAT right now, no question about it (though I still say Magic was a better overall player, but that's a whole nother story). But you can't forget that the NBA treated Jordan back then like they're doing Wade now, it was almost like looking at him the wrong way was a foul, pretty much the opposite of the current Kobe treatment.
C'mon, let's be real! Jordan wasn't treathed any better than Magic, Bird, Drexler, Kareem, Robinson, ecc.. The NBA has always protected his superstars. It's just Kobe who gets no love from the refs after that damn rape case! Duncan, James, Wade, Nash.. they are all "protected" by the refs too. Kobe is just the only one who gets no calls. You got a point here. But still.. it's not enought, man, to underrated what Jordan did as a player even in his early days. Just remember the Bulls were a shitty team like the Cavs before LeBron. The only difference is that Jordan led them to the Play Offs since his first year in the league, never missing them. He was no joke. And talking about Jordan having no love, he had "problems" too. I got the tape of his first All-Star Game (obviously he was a starter, as a rookie. LOL), and Isiah Thomas and his Eastern Conference teammates litterally refused to pass him the ball because they thought fans didn't have to give a rookie like him such a privilege. Plus in his first 2-3 seasons, while the fans loved him, NBA players hated on him and thought he was just.. you know.. overhyped by the media. Something we say now about LeBron James. Only difference is that Jordan took only 4 seasons to win the MVP award (and he got robbed in his 3rd), a well deserved uncontested one, to shut the haters down. No fucking joke. OK, he wasn't hated by the refs like Kobe is now, but c'mon..
Jordan also wasn't exactly contending for championships in the beginning of his career, so if all you got is stats (sort of like a LeBron gets the stats nowadays) and word of mouth up in Italy then you wont see the whole picture...
Like i said he was no LeBron for the simple fact that he started his career by carring the (shitty) Bulls to the Play Offs from his rookie year. Ok, the Bulls always got eliminated by the Celtics (we're talking about arguably the best Celtics ever), but still he made that infamous 63-points performance against Bird & co., in his second year. If it wasn't for the Celtics.... Anyway he led the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Finals in his 5th year (and in his 6th. And he won the NBA title in his 7th, 8th, 9th..). No joke.
people talk about Jordan like he was a God, like he couldn't miss a shot and was the flawless player, but anyone who's actually watched him play in his days know that isn't exactly the whole truth...Yes, the GOAT right now, but Kobe was a champion when Jordan was still being regarded as a selfish player and awful teammate...Stats don't tell you everything, if that were the case, then even LeBron>Kobe, which we all know is not true...Why do you think Jordan had better stats in the first half of his career, but was easily considered the better player in the second half of his career when his stats went down. It's kinda like Kobe now compared to last year. Kobe is maturing, at an even younger age than Jordan did...
Kobe is about 28. By that time, Jordan already had an NBA title won and was running for his 2nd and 3rd, man. Only difference is that the Bulls were built around him, and not around "Shaq". Don't get me wrong here, i'm not the type of guy who will say "Shaq won it", or "Kobe won it because of Shaq". Fuck that. Kobe had a fundamental role in the 3peat, sometimes even stronger than Shaq's one. But that one was Shaq's team. This one is Kobe's team. It's different. Even harder if you ask me (i mean it's easier to win a title with a dominant C than with a dominant SG). Kobe still gotta prove he can win a title by himself (the team built around him). Probably he will. Maybe he won't. We don't know. He has all the tools to do it tho. And i'm optimistic he will, maybe even this year. But you can't compare a done deal with a promise, you know what i mean?
That's why I'm saying, anyone who says Kobe doesn't have the chance to surpass Jordan is straight up hating, considering Kobe is just entering his prime years. Think of how lucky we are to have 10 more years of this guy on our team, and he's just now getting to his best. It's actually scary! So just remember, I'm not saying Jordan isn't the GOAT right now, but I am saying that there is a chance he will not always be the GOAT, not in everyones eyes at least...PeACe
Man but i ain't arguing about that. Kobe is a legend already at 28, and now it's nothing but money time. Time to work on his legacy and to win a couple of titles by himself.
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Kobe will never be regarded as a better player than Jordan until he wins titles when he is the man on his team. He will always have Shaq's shadows over those three rings.
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Antonio, I'm under the impression that you've heard more about Jordan than you've actually seen him play. Dude is considered the GOAT right now, no question about it (though I still say Magic was a better overall player, but that's a whole nother story). But you can't forget that the NBA treated Jordan back then like they're doing Wade now, it was almost like looking at him the wrong way was a foul, pretty much the opposite of the current Kobe treatment.
C'mon, let's be real! Jordan wasn't treathed any better than Magic, Bird, Drexler, Kareem, Robinson, ecc.. The NBA has always protected his superstars. It's just Kobe who gets no love from the refs after that damn rape case! Duncan, James, Wade, Nash.. they are all "protected" by the refs too. Kobe is just the only one who gets no calls. You got a point here. But still.. it's not enought, man, to underrated what Jordan did as a player even in his early days. Just remember the Bulls were a shitty team like the Cavs before LeBron. The only difference is that Jordan led them to the Play Offs since his first year in the league, never missing them. He was no joke. And talking about Jordan having no love, he had "problems" too. I got the tape of his first All-Star Game (obviously he was a starter, as a rookie. LOL), and Isiah Thomas and his Eastern Conference teammates litterally refused to pass him the ball because they thought fans didn't have to give a rookie like him such a privilege. Plus in his first 2-3 seasons, while the fans loved him, NBA players hated on him and thought he was just.. you know.. overhyped by the media. Something we say now about LeBron James. Only difference is that Jordan took only 4 seasons to win the MVP award (and he got robbed in his 3rd), a well deserved uncontested one, to shut the haters down. No fucking joke. OK, he wasn't hated by the refs like Kobe is now, but c'mon..
Jordan also wasn't exactly contending for championships in the beginning of his career, so if all you got is stats (sort of like a LeBron gets the stats nowadays) and word of mouth up in Italy then you wont see the whole picture...
Like i said he was no LeBron for the simple fact that he started his career by carring the (shitty) Bulls to the Play Offs from his rookie year. Ok, the Bulls always got eliminated by the Celtics (we're talking about arguably the best Celtics ever), but still he made that infamous 63-points performance against Bird & co., in his second year. If it wasn't for the Celtics.... Anyway he led the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Finals in his 5th year (and in his 6th. And he won the NBA title in his 7th, 8th, 9th..). No joke.
people talk about Jordan like he was a God, like he couldn't miss a shot and was the flawless player, but anyone who's actually watched him play in his days know that isn't exactly the whole truth...Yes, the GOAT right now, but Kobe was a champion when Jordan was still being regarded as a selfish player and awful teammate...Stats don't tell you everything, if that were the case, then even LeBron>Kobe, which we all know is not true...Why do you think Jordan had better stats in the first half of his career, but was easily considered the better player in the second half of his career when his stats went down. It's kinda like Kobe now compared to last year. Kobe is maturing, at an even younger age than Jordan did...
Kobe is about 28. By that time, Jordan already had an NBA title won and was running for his 2nd and 3rd, man. Only difference is that the Bulls were built around him, and not around "Shaq". Don't get me wrong here, i'm not the type of guy who will say "Shaq won it", or "Kobe won it because of Shaq". Fuck that. Kobe had a fundamental role in the 3peat, sometimes even stronger than Shaq's one. But that one was Shaq's team. This one is Kobe's team. It's different. Even harder if you ask me (i mean it's easier to win a title with a dominant C than with a dominant SG). Kobe still gotta prove he can win a title by himself (the team built around him). Probably he will. Maybe he won't. We don't know. He has all the tools to do it tho. And i'm optimistic he will, maybe even this year. But you can't compare a done deal with a promise, you know what i mean?
That's why I'm saying, anyone who says Kobe doesn't have the chance to surpass Jordan is straight up hating, considering Kobe is just entering his prime years. Think of how lucky we are to have 10 more years of this guy on our team, and he's just now getting to his best. It's actually scary! So just remember, I'm not saying Jordan isn't the GOAT right now, but I am saying that there is a chance he will not always be the GOAT, not in everyones eyes at least...PeACe
Man but i ain't arguing about that. Kobe is a legend already at 28, and now it's nothing but money time. Time to work on his legacy and to win a couple of titles by himself.
Antonio, I've watched Jordan play up close in his prime, believe me when I say that I know this dude was a legend amongst legends, you're not explaining anything to me there. But I'm pretty shocked that you know nothing of the Jordan ref treatment though. It wasn't "like Magic and Bird", everyone knows this, Jordan literally would get the foul called in his favor on almost every play, the NBA invested a lot in him to be their poster child, he came in an era when marketing was taking off and the NBA backed him 100%. I'm surprised you don't know about this and compare his preferential treatment to Magic's...LOL. It's a mind-boggling comparison by you. There was once a picture session for 'Greats of the Game' with Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. Magic told Larry not to stand too close to Michael or they might call a foul. In front of reporters and television viewers, that was a classic comment by Magic. Think Dwyane Wade, but 100 times better. Anyways, the point I was making is that Kobe has accomplished more by the age of 28 than Jordan has. he matured earlier and tweaked his game for his teammates at a much earlier age, going against the grain too, not like Jordan who was placed in the perfect situation with the whole league backing him...But the main point in all of this is that despite coming into the league in two different situations, one where Jordan got all the love in the world while Kobe got all the hate, Kobe STILL made a name for himself as the only player who doesn't get laughed at when compared to Jordan, and since he's JUST NOW approaching his best years, it's more than likely that he will leave the NBA as the greatest player, even greater than Magic I'd say...Again, this is all a matter of opinion, and anyone who will hear stories about Jordan will be made to believe that he was a God, because that's how many saw him and were made to see him...It'll never be the same for Kobe, despite having many of the same abilities and even surpassing some of Jordan's abilities in some cases...All I really want, though, is people to UNDERSTAND that Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan and the best chance we currently have to see a legend become THE legend...And in my mind, it's undeniable...PeACe
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Damn, I still can't believe that you never knew of the Michael Jordan treatment, and even compared it to Magic and Bird... :-\
The perception about the Bulls' preferential treatment because of Jordan is based in reality -- even Paxson acknowledged that as he was complaining about Nowitzki's 19-free throw night. In 1998, Jordan pushed Bryon Russell to the floor before making a championship-winning shot against Utah. In 1997, Jordan bumped Mookie Blaylock out of bounds to force an Atlanta turnover and secure a Chicago playoff win. In 1995, Jordan held the arm of the Hornets' Hersey Hawkins -- and admitted it -- to prevent Hawkins from making a winning layup that would have sent the Bulls-Hornets playoff series to a Game 5 in Charlotte.
As Hawkins explained, "It's Michael Jordan, and I'm Hersey Hawkins."
More than any other player, Jordan solidified the theory that star players get calls. But things have changed. Now, Jordan is retired, and referees are being held to a different standard.
http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusives/20050314/607149.html
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Antonio, I've watched Jordan play up close in his prime, believe me when I say that I know this dude was a legend amongst legends, you're not explaining anything to me there. But I'm pretty shocked that you know nothing of the Jordan ref treatment though. It wasn't "like Magic and Bird", everyone knows this, Jordan literally would get the foul called in his favor on almost every play, the NBA invested a lot in him to be their poster child, he came in an era when marketing was taking off and the NBA backed him 100%. I'm surprised you don't know about this and compare his preferential treatment to Magic's...LOL. It's a mind-boggling comparison by you. There was once a picture session for 'Greats of the Game' with Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. Magic told Larry not to stand too close to Michael or they might call a foul. In front of reporters and television viewers, that was a classic comment by Magic. Think Dwyane Wade, but 100 times better.
My point was simply that Jordan was protected the same way superstars are protected. Yes, maybe in his case he was protected more than it should have been (i've heard about these stories too). And yes, obviously Jordan was an icon to the NBA. But i understand the NBA tho. I mean basketball became so popular in the whole world because of Jordan, he was an ambassador. What i don't get, and i agree with you on this, is why Kobe is HATED so much. And i agree that he had to struggle in the NBA since his very first day. He's a pioneer, like a said. The point is that i don't find it strange what the NBA did to protected Jordan: i find it strange what they're doing to shut Kobe (let me correct myself: to try to shut Kobe) down. The fact that they cant do it is something that makes Kobe even more a legend in my eyes.
Anyways, the point I was making is that Kobe has accomplished more by the age of 28 than Jordan has. he matured earlier and tweaked his game for his teammates at a much earlier age, going against the grain too, not like Jordan who was placed in the perfect situation with the whole league backing him...But the main point in all of this is that despite coming into the league in two different situations, one where Jordan got all the love in the world while Kobe got all the hate, Kobe STILL made a name for himself as the only player who doesn't get laughed at when compared to Jordan, and since he's JUST NOW approaching his best years, it's more than likely that he will leave the NBA as the greatest player, even greater than Magic I'd say...Again, this is all a matter of opinion, and anyone who will hear stories about Jordan will be made to believe that he was a God, because that's how many saw him and were made to see him...It'll never be the same for Kobe, despite having many of the same abilities and even surpassing some of Jordan's abilities in some cases...All I really want, though, is people to UNDERSTAND that Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan and the best chance we currently have to see a legend become THE legend...And in my mind, it's undeniable...PeACe
I ain't denying it, man. I just said that AT THE MOMENT Jordan > Kobe. Simple as that. I don't know the future.
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Damn, I still can't believe that you never knew of the Michael Jordan treatment, and even compared it to Magic and Bird... :-\
The perception about the Bulls' preferential treatment because of Jordan is based in reality -- even Paxson acknowledged that as he was complaining about Nowitzki's 19-free throw night. In 1998, Jordan pushed Bryon Russell to the floor before making a championship-winning shot against Utah. In 1997, Jordan bumped Mookie Blaylock out of bounds to force an Atlanta turnover and secure a Chicago playoff win. In 1995, Jordan held the arm of the Hornets' Hersey Hawkins -- and admitted it -- to prevent Hawkins from making a winning layup that would have sent the Bulls-Hornets playoff series to a Game 5 in Charlotte.
As Hawkins explained, "It's Michael Jordan, and I'm Hersey Hawkins."
Exactly. Man i've seen all the things written here at 4 am, in front of my tv. I remember them very well. Can't deny them. The difference between Kobe and Jordan is that Jordan had 4-5 NBA titles and MVP titles already achieved by himself, at that time. While Kobe still has to win one all by himself to probably change the idea of the common people (and refs) about himself and to start to get some love. That said, even if Jordan was treated better by the refs, it still doesn't change a thing about him being the best SG i've ever seen. He was no Wade, man.
More than any other player, Jordan solidified the theory that star players get calls. But things have changed. Now, Jordan is retired, and referees are being held to a different standard.
http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusives/20050314/607149.html[/i]
Different standard?? LOL.
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4-5 titles? Jordan didn't even win his first title at the age Kobe is now!
I agree with most of what you're saying, but one thing is that the Jordan treatment was not comparable to any superstar treatment EVER, not even Dwyane Wade...In one sense, we're the luckiest fans in the world, man. We got the best player in the game and one of the greatest ever leading our young team and we have about 10 years of watching him to see whether or not he is the one. On the other hand, our fans are not so lucky in the sense that the Lakers/Kobe don't get the same ref treatment the Bulls/Jordan were getting in the early 90s. nowadays, that treatment is going in the direction of the younger superstars of the league (Wade, LeBron, etc.). Just imagine how much greater Kobe could come off to everyone if the league was backing him and the media had nothing against him, this is why Jordan had those MVPs and Kobe will probably never win 1...Imagine what it would be like if he got to the line every time he took it to the basket, if he got those extra trips that Jordan always did...It would be much easier to see what I was saying if that were the case...Unfortunately, the league makes it a little harder for us to compare certain players, they make it so that D-Wade seems comparable to Kobe, so basketball heads like me and you have to look into it to see the whole picture...Think about that and think about how lucky you are every time you get a chance to catch a Laker game and watch history happening...Think about the endless possibilites and think about how much was still ahead of Jordan at the age of 28...PeACe
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Well; I think it's an interesting talk because of the fact people has difficulties to think about Jordan skills regardless all the media thing, the legend ect... both Antonio and Nik brought valid arguments... I tend to agree with Antonio, Kobe has (will ) to prove he can win being the main player on the team (people who said Shaq won these titles are moron, Kobe needed Shaq and Shaq needed Kobe but like Antonio said it's more easy to win with a dominant C...). I don't think Kobe can achieve what Jordan awards wise but like Nik said it doesn't mean who will be the best skills wise, due to the subjectivity of the medias.. when it comes to offensive games , if you watch games on a regular basis you know Kobe has a more versatile game than MJ.. I mean MJ never had the range Kobe has.. the main difference ( it changed a lot this year though ) is MJ made better choices when it comes to go to the hoop when his jumper was off, when Kobe forced long shots (but once again he barely had calls so...) Defensive wise they're both great but the main difference is MJ D was better on no names than Kobe one, who takes D as challenges to lock great scorers up and tend to be more relax on no-names BUT let's not forget MJ had Pippen who was the best D on the perimeter for years imo... Back on general topic if Kobe wins 2 or 3 titles in the upcoming years he will be on Jordan level regardless the individual awards... I jus think people have to make their own opinion and not repeat what the medias say all the time.. you must have a deeper look on the comparaison... 8)
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4-5 titles? Jordan didn't even win his first title at the age Kobe is now!
Man i was talking about the offensive foul on Russell (1998), the foul on Mookie (1997) etc.. About the things written in the article. Anyway Michael Jordan won his first NBA title at the age of 28. Kobe has now 10379 days of life (easy to calculate, lol. Don't look at me as an UFO!). Jordan won his first title after 10329 days of life. So tecnically you're wrong (not that it changes a damn thing, but..).
I agree with most of what you're saying, but one thing is that the Jordan treatment was not comparable to any superstar treatment EVER, not even Dwyane Wade...In one sense, we're the luckiest fans in the world, man. We got the best player in the game and one of the greatest ever leading our young team and we have about 10 years of watching him to see whether or not he is the one. On the other hand, our fans are not so lucky in the sense that the Lakers/Kobe don't get the same ref treatment the Bulls/Jordan were getting in the early 90s. nowadays, that treatment is going in the direction of the younger superstars of the league (Wade, LeBron, etc.). Just imagine how much greater Kobe could come off to everyone if the league was backing him and the media had nothing against him, this is why Jordan had those MVPs and Kobe will probably never win 1...Imagine what it would be like if he got to the line every time he took it to the basket, if he got those extra trips that Jordan always did...It would be much easier to see what I was saying if that were the case...Unfortunately, the league makes it a little harder for us to compare certain players, they make it so that D-Wade seems comparable to Kobe, so basketball heads like me and you have to look into it to see the whole picture...Think about that and think about how lucky you are every time you get a chance to catch a Laker game and watch history happening...Think about the endless possibilites and think about how much was still ahead of Jordan at the age of 28...PeACe
Man i consider myself blessed. First of all because i grew up watching Magic. And now because Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan i've ever seen. I'm blessed, like i said. And i'm blessed i've always supported the Lakers since day-1. Since when i used to dress those ugly violet jerseys at school (do you remember them?) with Magic printed on them doing a sky-hook (while everybody and their moma had the Jordan's, and them black shirts with the white Nike Air Jordan logo on them).
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I respect your opinion... I'm glad that we can debate this topic on a mature level...Antonio and wcsoldier prove that not everyone on WCC needs to resort to phottoshopped pics and childish disses to keep up in a debate with me. We all basically share the same opinion, we just have different views on 'em...In my opinion, Kobe WILL lead his team to more titles and be seen as the greatest, by a fair amount of people at least. And I truly hope that opinion becomes a reality... now we just have to wait and see...PeACe
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^^^^^ yep like I said we are here to Xchange opinions.. not to take it on a personal level... well I try to debate as much as I can, but I don't always have the vocabulary to mean what I want.. so it ain't easy... I watch B-Ball for years so I like Xchange deeper views but the fact English isn't my former language is kind of a pb.. back on topic of course Kobe will lead us to more titles, if u don't believe it, I don't know how you can be a Lakers fan
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^^^^^ yep like I said we are here to Xchange opinions.. not to take it on a personal level... well I try to debate as much as I can, but I don't always have the vocabulary to mean what I want.. so it ain't easy... I watch B-Ball for years so I like Xchange deeper views but the fact English isn't my former language is kind of a pb.. back on topic of course Kobe will lead us to more titles, if u don't believe it, I don't know how you can be a Lakers fan
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lmao,this needs to be stickied
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You guys are funny
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Michael was good, but not on my level. The refs used to give Mike calls like they do to Wade now. Man, I have to fight for every call I get because they NBA hates me now. Not everyone thinks Im better than Mike, but if you ask Phil, he will tell you. Once my off the ball game gets better like next season, I will be the Goat. Its crazy like Black Mamba.
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I respect your opinion... I'm glad that we can debate this topic on a mature level...Antonio and wcsoldier prove that not everyone on WCC needs to resort to phottoshopped pics and childish disses to keep up in a debate with me. We all basically share the same opinion, we just have different views on 'em...In my opinion, Kobe WILL lead his team to more titles and be seen as the greatest, by a fair amount of people at least. And I truly hope that opinion becomes a reality... now we just have to wait and see...PeACe
LMAO at this retarded faggot. get off kobe's nuts bro, jordan is the goat, and will continue to be. i dont giv a fuck what you think the potential of kobe is or could be one day. there are winners, and there are losers. right now kobe is a loser for fucking a broke down hoe in colorado, and jordan is a pimp for having a gambling habit and making half a billion dollars a year from the jordan clothing line. i dont care what you say about kobe, but he cant lead a team like jordan, and he cant win 3 back to back championship rings, consecutively, ya bitch! 8)
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Queef got owned left and right in this thread. It was great. I agree that it should be stickied.
Tyronn Lue won titles before MJ (agewise). Lue>>>Jordan
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ive been watching Basketball for a long long time and it true about Jordan getting the Jordan Ref Treatment on Defense and Offense.Picture like the Wade ref treatment but 3 times more it was that bad.One thing that Jordan had right from the get go was that killer instinct/Confidence of taking the big shots in crunch time same goes for Kobe.There is no question about Kobe works ethic he is probably the hardest working individual in the game today.If Kobe were to get that Jordan treatment or even close to some sort of real all star treatment like Duncan,Wade, or James gets he would easily average 35 a game.I dont know why the NBA hated Kobe from the start though even before the trial he wasnt getting the calls.As for the GOAT as of right now it is still Jordan but Kobe is the only one by far that has a real chance of catching up to him or even becoming the GOAT.
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ive been watching Basketball for a long long time and it true about Jordan getting the Jordan Ref Treatment on Defense and Offense.Picture like the Wade ref treatment but 3 times more it was that bad.One thing that Jordan had right from the get go was that killer instinct/Confidence of taking the big shots in crunch time same goes for Kobe.There is no question about Kobe works ethic he is probably the hardest working individual in the game today.If Kobe were to get that Jordan treatment or even close to some sort of real all star treatment like Duncan,Wade, or James gets he would easily average 35 a game.I dont know why the NBA hated Kobe from the start though even before the trial he wasnt getting the calls.As for the GOAT as of right now it is still Jordan but Kobe is the only one by far that has a real chance of catching up to him or even becoming the GOAT.
I agree with everything you said except the part about Jordan being the GOAT
Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan.
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mentioning Kobe with MJ is fuckin rediculous. no matter how u look at it
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You can really tell who knows what they're talking about in a thread like this. You got Jrome making up homosexual nicknames and PLANT wishing he was me with this Paki guy who thinks he's a YAY AREA CUTTHOAT looking to "own" people when grown folks are discussing basketball. My nutriders are hilarious. :laugh:
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You can really tell who knows what they're talking about in a thread like this. You got Jrome making up homosexual nicknames and PLANT wishing he was me with this Paki guy who thinks he's a YAY AREA CUTTHOAT looking to "own" people when grown folks are discussing basketball. My nutriders are hilarious. :laugh:
You're off topic AGAIN Queef. I'd expect more from a Mod. :nawty:
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He's right. Oh, and before all you Laker haters starts to write bullshit, it doesn't mean Kobe > Jordan. Understand it first, then comment.
Can we just say they equal cuh. And if Kobe did Space Jam it would have been dope.
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You can really tell who knows what they're talking about in a thread like this. You got Jrome making up homosexual nicknames and PLANT wishing he was me with this Paki guy who thinks he's a YAY AREA CUTTHOAT looking to "own" people when grown folks are discussing basketball. My nutriders are hilarious. :laugh:
Sccif all day. Bitchin'!
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I love Kobe but this is just Phil motivation.
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I love Kobe but this is just Phil motivation.
U R wrang cracka b-itch
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U R wrang cracka b-itch
Please ban this fool.