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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on January 29, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
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Barack Obama's father was a Muslim!!!! And so was his whole family on his father's side!!!!! Wake up America!!!!!
At least Obama saw the light and rejected Islam and turned to Christianity.
http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to__president_.html
Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama?
16 hrs ago Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama?
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WASHINGTON - Although Sen. Barack Obama is a Christian, his childhood and family connections to Islam are beginning to complicate his presidential ambitions.
The Illinois Democrat spent much of last week refuting unfounded reports that he had been educated in a madrassa, or radical Islamic school, when he lived in Indonesia as a boy.
“The Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa,” said a statement put out by the senator’s staff.
But the school did teach the Quran, Islam’s holy book, along with subjects such as math and science, according to Obama, who attended when he was 9 and 10.
“In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school,” he wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from my Father.” “The teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.”
Obama — whose father, stepfather, brother and grandfather were Muslims — explained his own first name, Barack, in “Dreams”: “It means ‘Blessed.’ In Arabic. My grandfather was a Muslim.”
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Still, when his father, a black Kenyan named Barack Obama Sr., died in 1982, “the family wanted a Muslim burial,” Obama quoted his brother, Roy, as saying in “Dreams.”
The statement put out by Obama’s office last week referred to his father simply as “an atheist,” without mentioning his Muslim upbringing.
But with pundits already making faith a major issue in this presidential campaign — as evidenced by questions about Republican Mitt Romney’s Mormonism — Obama’s religious background is likely to come under further scrutiny.
“He comes from a father who was a Muslim,” said civil rights author Juan Williams of National Public Radio. “I mean, I think that given we’re at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem.”
Obama’s grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, for whom the senator was given his middle name, Hussein, was fiercely devoted to Islam, according to an account in “Dreams.” The grandfather, who died in 1979, was described by his widow when Obama visited Kenya in the late 1980s.
“What your grandfather respected was strength. Discipline,” Obama quoted his grandmother as telling him. “This is also why he rejected the Christian religion, I think.
“For a brief time, he converted, and even changed his name to Johnson. But he could not understand such ideas as mercy towards your enemies, or that this man Jesus could wash away a man’s sins.
“To your grandfather, this was foolish sentiment, something to comfort women,” she added. “And so he converted to Islam — he thought its practices conformed more closely to his beliefs.”
When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the family’s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.
“During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.” “In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.”
Obama’s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.
“Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths,” Obama recalled. “He explained that a man took on the powers of whatever he ate: One day soon, he promised, he would bring home a piece of tiger meat for us to share.”
“It was to Lolo that I turned to for guidance and instruction,” Obama recalled. “He introduced me as his son.”
Although Obama wrote of “puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin’s call to evening prayer,” he was not raised as a Muslim, according to the senator’s office. Nor was he raised as a Christian by his mother, a white American named Ann Dunham who was deeply skeptical of religion.
“Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones,” Obama wrote. “For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.”
As a result, he said, “I was not raised in a religious household.”
Later in life, however, he was drawn to the writings of an influential American Muslim who served as the spokesman for the militant Nation of Islam.
“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will.”
He added: “Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”
While working as a community organizer for a group of churches in Chicago, Obama was repeatedly asked to join Christian congregations, but begged off.
“I remained a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won,” he wrote.
But after much soul searching, he eventually was baptized at Trinity United Church of Christ.
“It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear,” he explained. “But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.”
Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.
“The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”
Meanwhile, Obama remained sharply critical of what he called “the religious absolutism of the Christian right.”
In “Audacity,” the senator wrote that such believers insist “not only that Christianity is America’s dominant faith, but that a particular, fundamentalist brand of that faith should drive public policy, overriding any alternative source of understanding, whether the writings of liberal theologians, the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, or the words of Thomas Jefferson.”
As for the Democratic Party, Obama observed that “a core segment of our constituency remains stubbornly secular in orientation, and fears — rightly, no doubt — that the agenda of an assertively Christian nation may not make room for them or their life choices.”
Although the overwhelming majority of Americans describe themselves as Christians, Obama does not believe that any one religion should define the United States.
“We are no longer just a Christian nation,” he argues in “Audacity,” which was published last year. “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
Obama calls the Iraq war “a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country.” He is also protective of civil rights for Muslims in the U.S.
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama
» Born: Aug. 4, 1961, in Hawaii to Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.
» Education: Graduated from Columbia University in 1983; graduated in 1991 from Harvard Law School, where he was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.
» Family: He and wife, Michelle, were married in 1992. They have two daughters: Malia, 8, and Sasha, 4.
» Residence: Chicago’s South Side
» Political career: Served seven years in the Illinois state Senate; sworn in as U.S. senator in January 2005. Serves on the Environment and Public Works Committee, the Veterans’ Affairs Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee.
Source: www.barackobama.com
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First it's blowjobs in the oval office, then having muslim forefathers. Republicans never run out of ideas. I love how people focus on the things that really matter.
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hes still got my vote
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First it's blowjobs in the oval office, then having muslim forefathers. Republicans never run out of ideas. I love how people focus on the things that really matter.
What if Obama tells everyone he is a Christian, gets elected as president, and then after the election comes out and announces he is really a Muslim in disguise.
Then once he is in power he might try and ban Christianity, make all women wear burqas, force the Koran on everyone, etc
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and Keith Ellison will become Speaker of the House, Edwards is killed and replaced with Louis Farrakhan as VP and Muhammad Ali becomes securtary of state. And just for the hell of it, Chuck D rewrites national anthem.
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all i know is that nigga better legalize weed, its his responsitility as da black president. being a muslim better not fuck that up
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my vote goes to him
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This makes me want to vote for him even more.
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It's obvious that he's an Al-Qaeda member... the ultimate trojan horse who will help them establish their Khalifa.
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It's obvious that he's an Al-Qaeda member... the ultimate trojan horse who will help them establish their Khalifa.
lol
+1
o and look what i found
(http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Barry-Obama-lg.jpg)
LOL
LATERS
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LMFAO @ "EXPOSED"
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:sign_lastweek: You post this as if it is new news. The dude didn't even know his father. He wrote all this in his biography.
Obama 4 Pres.
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no shit his name barack obama,
yea u exposed him
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no shit his name barack obama,
yea u exposed him
:laugh: And his middle name is Hussein. :o
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Actually, Barack Obama works for me. He will be helping me to carry out my goals of cleansing the devils from the face of the Earth. You crackers have no clue what you're in for. Pain and suffering await you following his election.
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OMG!!! :o
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Gotta love Fox News. Everytime i turn to that channel they're acting like the democrats are going to be completely owned in the election now that this has been brought up.
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EXPOSED!!! Barack Obama's name rhymes with both Iraq AND Osama!! He should be in jail
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I thought the american constitution has had no connection to religion from the start, so why is this even an issue or is it just a racist/religous attack by the republicans
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This should be stickied. Imma put this on the front page of my high school newspaper. Props Cwalker, you finally gave us some important news.
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I thought the american constitution has had no connection to religion from the start, so why is this even an issue or is it just a racist/religous attack by the republicans
Because white Christian Americans are inherently racist.
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exposed! this is just another bullshit distraction ploy, so everyone arranges into their camps and fights "their corner" meanwhile forgetting about what is actually transpiring in america. How many more transparent attempts does it take before people realise how contrived these little squabbles are.
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Real American keeps me laughin.
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Because white Christian Americans are inherently racist.
Yes, because we all know how strongly Christians are accepted in the Middle East.
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Freemasons founded America not Christians. Keep those racist feelings inside my friend.
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
Lame!
:tosser:
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
Lame!
:tosser:
That was actually pretty funny :D
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
Lame!
:tosser:
That was actually pretty funny :D
for a 16 yr old
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What if Obama tells everyone he is a Christian, gets elected as president, and then after the election comes out and announces he is really a Muslim in disguise.
Then once he is in power he might try and ban Christianity, make all women wear burqas, force the Koran on everyone, etc
Lol you really believe that don't you?
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It's a sad fact that this thread has reached it's 2nd page already.
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
Lame!
:tosser:
That was actually pretty funny :D
for a 16 yr old
No, for a normal person who watches these idiots blow themselves up on CNN everyday.
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Hell yea, I knew he was a brotha
dont get all jumpy u fuckin terriorist, hes not one of those guys to blow himself up
:banana_trippin:
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LOL @ Obama attending a madrassa, that shit is classic 8)
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u dumb fucks madrassa is the world for school ,it ain't just religious ones . my school was called al madrassa al amerikiya al alamiya translation American international school.it was secular with lil attention give to religion class.before secondry school i used to go to a catholic school it was called a madrassa too
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this aint news its old news to me at least..
Vote John Mccain
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im voting for Obama just because he looks like Reggie Miller with hair.
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and Keith Ellison will become Speaker of the House, Edwards is killed and replaced with Louis Farrakhan as VP and Muhammad Ali becomes securtary of state. And just for the hell of it, Chuck D rewrites national anthem.
LOL.. +1.. Dope... then I'd take the place of CWalker and start waving the American flag! "Fight the Power" would become the new national anthem!
...interesting article though, his comments were very respectful of Islam.
I would think that his name, close connections and family ties to Islam would immediately put an end to his presidential ambitions. I'm suprised he is garnering so much support. It's great though, because he would be the best president America ever had if elected, and certainly all Muslims would celebrate (including myself).
Really, this guy could be a Muslim at heart, but in public presenting himself as a Christian to further his political carear.
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^what makes you think he'd be the best American president ever? him being non-white with ties to islam? LOL. you're not better than those neo-cons, seemingly the opposite and still the same.
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Really, this guy could be a Muslim at heart, but in public presenting himself as a Christian to further his political carear.
As a Muslim, how can't you take great offense to this?
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u dumb fucks madrassa is the world for school ,it ain't just religious ones . my school was called al madrassa al amerikiya al alamiya translation American international school.it was secular with lil attention give to religion class.before secondry school i used to go to a catholic school it was called a madrassa too
i was talkin about a pakistani madrassa, which is where terrorists train, not the school Obama attended, and to call it a madrassa, instead of a public school is hilarious.
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Really, this guy could be a Muslim at heart, but in public presenting himself as a Christian to further his political carear.
As a Muslim, how can't you take great offense to this?
There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
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There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
Did you ever think that maybe he just preferred Christianity over Islam? Tens of thousands of Muslims in the Middle East would probably convert to Christianity if they weren't persecuted and thrown in jail for doing so.
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There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
Did you ever think that maybe he just preferred Christianity over Islam? Tens of thousands of Muslims in the Middle East would probably convert to Christianity if they weren't persecuted and thrown in jail for doing so.
stop smoking crack and meth cwalker
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stop smoking crack and meth cwalker
Why do you think Muslims are so intolerant to other religions?
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stop smoking crack and meth cwalker
Why do you think Muslims are so intolerant to other religions?
Because our religion teaches us to hate.
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Really, this guy could be a Muslim at heart, but in public presenting himself as a Christian to further his political carear.
As a Muslim, how can't you take great offense to this?
There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
Well as a Muslim shouldn't you embrace and pronounce your faith to God? By pretending he's not Muslim he's being decitful and even ashamed. And were is ANY proof that he's Muslim in the first place? Let's talk about that before discussing wethere what he is doing is right or wrong.
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There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
Correct, he is using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. What are those goals, you ask? Well, since Obama works for me, he will become President and then use his power over the immense resources of this corrupt devilish nation to further my ultimate goal...the creation of the 25-state (province) sovereign all-black socialist republic of New Africa, complete with a well-supplied military. This armed wing, the Soldiers of Armaggedon, will then carry out the final will of Allah on Judgment Day - the re-conquest of the Earth (starting with neighboring AmeriKKKa) for the Original Man. No devils will be spared, including yourself...in fact, your comments on David Duke have marked you for an especially heinous death at my own hands. Hope you're ready.
So, yes, he's doing it for the sake of Allah, and Allah will reward him, as he plans to reward me and all of us who fight actively against the Yakub Crew. And you being a Muslim ain't gonna change a damned thang...you die, cracker.
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There's two ways of looking at it, you could say he's a fake and a hypocrite, or you could say he is very clever and using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. If he's doing it all out of selfishness to further his own personal carear, then ofcourse that's not accepted by Allah. But if he's doing it for the sake of Allah, to bring a greater good and benefit to all mankind, then Allah will reward him accordingly.
Correct, he is using great wisdom to achieve lofty goals. What are those goals, you ask? Well, since Obama works for me, he will become President and then use his power over the immense resources of this corrupt devilish nation to further my ultimate goal...the creation of the 25-state (province) sovereign all-black socialist republic of New Africa, complete with a well-supplied military. This armed wing, the Soldiers of Armaggedon, will then carry out the final will of Allah on Judgment Day - the re-conquest of the Earth (starting with neighboring AmeriKKKa) for the Original Man. No devils will be spared, including yourself...in fact, your comments on David Duke have marked you for an especially heinous death at my own hands. Hope you're ready.
So, yes, he's doing it for the sake of Allah, and Allah will reward him, as he plans to reward me and all of us who fight actively against the Yakub Crew. And you being a Muslim ain't gonna change a damned thang...you die, cracker.
Give it up.
We all know you're the second guy from the back.
(http://www.yale.edu/rowing/media/irnyaleltwt00ira.jpg)
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We all know you're the second guy from the back.
(http://www.yale.edu/rowing/media/irnyaleltwt00ira.jpg)
I rarely row sweep-oar these days. I do LW single sculling competitively, double sculls for practice sometimes. Sweep-oar is what my students start with (and what most colleges do).
But when I was rowing sweep-oar in an eight like that one, I was (1.) rowing port (the 2nd to last guy is on starboard), and (2.) rowing stern four (usually 6 seat, sometimes stroke).
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face it, muslims are taking over. submit to llah muhfuckas.
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face it, muslims are taking over. submit to llah muhfuckas.
I submit.
Speak Ellison, I voted for you btw. Hope you do well. I can't wait to hear that new Chuck D national anthem. PARDON TO MUMIA ABDUL JAMAL!!! Don't kill Obama or Louis Farrakhan will be president. It's Allahs will muthaphukkaz!
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face it, muslims are taking over. submit to llah muhfuckas.
I submit.
Speak Ellison, I voted for you btw. Hope you do well. I can't wait to hear that new Chuck D national anthem. PARDON TO MUMIA ABDUL JAMAL!!! Don't kill Obama or Louis Farrakhan will be president. It's Allahs will muthaphukkaz!
HOLY SHIT YOU MIGHT BE COOL WITH A BLACK DUDE NOW!!! :o
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face it, muslims are taking over. submit to llah muhfuckas.
I submit.
Speak Ellison, I voted for you btw. Hope you do well. I can't wait to hear that new Chuck D national anthem. PARDON TO MUMIA ABDUL JAMAL!!! Don't kill Obama or Louis Farrakhan will be president. It's Allahs will muthaphukkaz!
are Somalis black?
HOLY SHIT YOU MIGHT BE COOL WITH A BLACK DUDE NOW!!! :o
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Yay! A black Muslim for president, I hope he's associated with the NOI so he can begin the process of reversing Yacub's experiment.