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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on February 05, 2007, 12:11:03 PM
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My two worlds just collided. Anyone who knows me knows that I have two loves in this life. Islam and hip-hop. They have gotten me through anything I've encountered in this life. I've even been writing a book for a long time about the two things and how they are connected to eachother. My two worlds just collided.
I don't want to go into detail about my personal life. So this isn't exactly what happened, but to avoid going into too much detail about my personal life; let's just say I had some Muslim kid go through all of my hip-hop stuff, tell everyone I was a fake because I listened music, that I wasn't a real Muslim; and this same stupid kid ended up stealing all of my stuff for himself, and he's fucking vanished.
Then I go to everyone to get my stuff, and nobody gives a shit, because they all think that the music shit is bullshit, and that it's good for me that I got all my stuff taken.
This is collectible shit. Ya'll know that hip-hop is part of what influenced me towards Islam in the first place. Now al those cd's that influenced me are gone. Not to mention, all my data cd's and tracks I was archiving for my book I'm writing, everything is gone. That book wasn't just a book to write, that book was my life, my memories, those cd's are my memories. And nobody gives a fuck.
My identity is wrapped up in my history, that's who I am, and who I was, and who I aspire to be. All my stuff, more than just cd's was in these boxes; everything has been straight up ran through and taken, misplaced, destroyed, wrecked, and nobody gives a fuck.
My two worlds just collided.
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That's fucked up. Someone deserves a major ass kickin'.
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Maybe he and them other muslims are right; that you tried to merge what couldn't be merged. If you're not supposed to listen to music and glorify your personal belongings, perhaps that's one thing you should have known. But to take it all away, make it vanish... Maybe that's a part of the whole thought process as well, but I can't imagine how bad it must feel to have your personal writings gone too. I just wonder, did the kid steal it so he could sell it, or has he just taken it away to protect you from yourself?
Perhaps they think you must come to terms with yourself again. Think about the important things in life. Is that really your cd collection, or is it Allah? Would it be your personal writings, or is it Allah? And is there a way to combine those things?
I don't know, because honestly, I don't know much about Muslims. I'm just curious about these values...
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I'm gonna take a break from being a black nationalist for one post here and say that I'm sorry, in spite of how much I roll my eyes at you...I know this is a bit of a sobering situation for you right now. Whenever I've had shit stolen, it makes me wanna fuck up whoever did it to me even though I wanna think dude had some issues.
But at the same time, I want you to admit something to me - did I not tell you that many Orthodox Muslims consider music to be har'aam? Did I not ask you if, hypothetically, you were rolling down the streets of some ME country bumping 2Pac or Nas, this might happen?
What you don't seem to understand is that I learned the same thing 15 years ago when I thought about becoming a Muslim. And I've had reminders of it every time I've visited Islamic message boards and seen Muslims on those forums campaigning to have the music discussion sections removed. All these years, the one thing that bothered me most about many of these people was how intent they seemed on regulating other people's lives, and how persistant they were. They're as bad as the fundamentalist Christians, as far as I'm concerned, and that's why I will never convert to ANY religion in my lifetime. Spirituality, I can be cool with. This, I can't be.
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1. Watch Fight Club.
2. If you still feel like it, punch that Muslim kid in the face, as hard as you can.
This is not a cynical advice.
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^lol
what country did this go down in? If your still in the same city as him you need to track his ass down and at least get back your data cd's.
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Just grass on him to the police, if you know who did it, it shouldn't be a probem.
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is this part of allahs plan for you?
if not, what is this?
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They're as bad as the fundamentalist Christians, as far as I'm concerned,
Fundamentalist Christians are nowhere near as oppressive as Muslims.
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Just grass on him to the police, if you know who did it, it shouldn't be a probem.
I know who did it, but this person is connected to me through other people, so it's not a situation where I can call the police; and I can't get ahold of this kid, and also he probably sold it already for a few dollars.... everyone thinks it's nothing, because nobody understands all the sentimental value.
This kid (I say kid, but he is almost as old as me) who stole is from outside of America and listens to music, but thinks that he's a bad Muslim. So when he saw that I had music, he doesn't understand real hip-hop, or conscious hip-hop, or my past or anything like that, and just thought from his own perspective that I must be a bad Muslim or a hypocrite, or a fake, he's been telling everybody this about me; because I had all this stuff.
The difference is, I was raised in this culture, and I don't consider music to be forbidden in Islam; actually, it's the opposite for me, hip-hop exposed me to Islam, and I for the last six years I've been working on a book that explains in depth the connection between the two of them.
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I'm gonna take a break from being a black nationalist for one post here and say that I'm sorry, in spite of how much I roll my eyes at you...I know this is a bit of a sobering situation for you right now. Whenever I've had shit stolen, it makes me wanna fuck up whoever did it to me even though I wanna think dude had some issues.
But at the same time, I want you to admit something to me - did I not tell you that many Orthodox Muslims consider music to be har'aam? Did I not ask you if, hypothetically, you were rolling down the streets of some ME country bumping 2Pac or Nas, this might happen?
What you don't seem to understand is that I learned the same thing 15 years ago when I thought about becoming a Muslim. And I've had reminders of it every time I've visited Islamic message boards and seen Muslims on those forums campaigning to have the music discussion sections removed. All these years, the one thing that bothered me most about many of these people was how intent they seemed on regulating other people's lives, and how persistant they were. They're as bad as the fundamentalist Christians, as far as I'm concerned, and that's why I will never convert to ANY religion in my lifetime. Spirituality, I can be cool with. This, I can't be.
I appreciate your sincerity in this post; I'll respond more about this later. Peace.
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Fundamentalist Christians are nowhere near as oppressive as Muslims.
You must not know any.
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Regulating other people's lives is a regular occurance in Islam, more than other religions in my experience. Personally, I'd smash on this kid just to do it. You're a grown ass man, stop letting others direct you mentally. If I know anything about you bro, you tried hard to escape and become your own person as a youngsta just to dive into a bigger melting pot with a bigger brother to control life for you.
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It is all in Allah's plan. Do not question it.
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Damn. You got punked by a little ass kid.
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I'm sorry to hear that not only your music being stolen, but that the person who stole it from you wanted to tarnish your name and make people have a negative outlook on you. It's probably just jealousy. Like you said, this guy isn't living the model life that you are probably leading and has been plotting to get at you for a while now.
Good luck on possibly finding your stuff, whether it's returned to you or you have to find it all again over time.
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maktub bry guy, maktub
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Fundamentalist Christians are nowhere near as oppressive as Muslims.
You must not know any.
In fact he is one.
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Your two worlds haven't collided. That is unless you view your faith as a strictly social thing. Faith is personal and shouldn't be viewed in terms of social environment (As in "the people you are around"). If your conception of Islam is of social nature, namely you converted to serve social needs, you might wanna reconsider naming your two worlds "Islam" and "Hiphop" and maybe you should compromise for calling them "the people I hang with" and "hiphop".
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this sounds really terrible, but maybe it was supposed to be this way.
maybe it meant to teach you sth-
what about your claim that muslims are much "better" than any other groups of people?
maybe this should have taught you that muslims arent fllawless as you claimed b4,that they are humanbeings too.
im sure you like this religion a lot,but it doesnt mean you have to admire it blindly following every rule it sets.
open your eyes and see that there is more to this world than just good and bad, you can find good and bad people in every part of the world, in any national group, in any religious group.
this kid has destroyed your past in one moment, though he was a muslim. there were people in your country who were extremely nice to you, i assume, tho they had a different religious view. (and vise versa)
just keep cool, and i hope that you are going to get your stuff back, cuz what this boy did is evil
peace
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infinite, you should fuck this kid up, show him what else hip hop has taught you
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infinite, you should fuck this kid up, show him what else hip hop has taught you
thats what i'm talking about, Islam has taught us to never fight with our Muslim brothers and sisters, but Islam has also taught us not to steal, in Saudi, that kid would get his hand chopped off, so do him a favor, and just crack him in the face 10-15 times, or until your satisfied. Sorry about your cd's and writings, hopefully the kid gives them back, but i doubt it.
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Ever thought about that MAYBE, he just wanted your stuff, then made up some Muslim-story knowing that your ass would fall for that?
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infinite, you should fuck this kid up, show him what else hip hop has taught you
lol
this sounds really terrible, but maybe it was supposed to be this way.
maybe it meant to teach you sth-
what about your claim that muslims are much "better" than any other groups of people?
maybe this should have taught you that muslims arent fllawless as you claimed b4,that they are humanbeings too.
im sure you like this religion a lot,but it doesnt mean you have to admire it blindly following every rule it sets.
open your eyes and see that there is more to this world than just good and bad, you can find good and bad people in every part of the world, in any national group, in any religious group.
this kid has destroyed your past in one moment, though he was a muslim. there were people in your country who were extremely nice to you, i assume, tho they had a different religious view. (and vise versa)
just keep cool, and i hope that you are going to get your stuff back, cuz what this boy did is evil
peace
don't waste your time sweetcheeks.
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Damn homie, that really sucks. I lost most of my CD collection almost 2 years ago in Israel...I know how bad it feels, man, but don't trip too hard. At least you got plenty out of the music while it lasted. A lot of knowledge, pleasure, entertainment, ideas, etc... now you can always go back and buy the CDs again or download them if you don't have the cheese. Remember, it's only materialistic shit, despite the fact that I HATE losing shit with sentimental value, you always gotta remember the positives. Remember what you got out of it and how it can be replaced, not like people...I still don't see how it collided with Islam though. Fuck this faggot ass kid... definitely smash his head in if you have the chance... does it really matter what religion he is or what he thinks? He's clearly a piece of shit. Don't even trip about what he's telling people. What matters more to you, what THEY think or what YOU think? If they're fucked up enough to judge you off of what someone else says about you in the first place, then fuck it, how are they even worth stressing over? You know what I always say? Fuck them muthafuckaz!...PeACe
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Maybe Allah is tryin to tell u something
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Prolly too late but you might want to make a list of these CDs, make copies of that lists with your contact info on it, and drop them off to second hand CD stores. If it's not too late you might be able to get them back if he shows up. In the Bay it's the law for the record store to return the items to its original owner at no cost. Hurry!
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Prolly too late but you might want to make a list of these CDs, make copies of that lists with your contact info on it, and drop them off to second hand CD stores. If it's not too late you might be able to get them back if he shows up. In the Bay it's the law for the record store to return the items to its original owner at no cost. Hurry!
lol i think this fool is in a 3rd world country
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^ LMFAO
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Sorry about that Infinite. That shit is not cool. I had a kid in college, his ass was like my little brother, he was a street kid stuck in this white college, trying to make sense of it all, and had the same struggles I had as a freshman. But in the end, his ass stole my whole Nas collection, 2Pac CDs, and then he asked me about 2Pac sights for his unrelease stuff. On top of that, he stratched up my shit too. So I understand, sort of. No one though would tarnish my name for liking Hip-Hop, but I wear Hip-Hop on my sleeve. Man, that's messed up.
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i dont know if i mentioned this earlier or not, but friendliness amongst strangers doesn't exist. the world is a cruel place, and thats what i was saying about those egyptian arabs, they're good at being friendly and hospitable, but given the chance they'll fuck you over.
fake ass bitches.
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what you also got to know, is poorer countries hold completely different mentalities than places such as the U.K, U.S.A and australia. people that hustle on the daily will eat you up alive if you dont see the shit coming, they can smell out a rich boy from a mile away. even though you may not be rich, i'm sure that's the judgement they place on you, and even if you're a middle class american, middle class americans are far better off than alot of rich people in poorer countries...
keep that in mind, jelousy and envy make people do crazy shit.
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^And so the beefing within the muslim religion starts :-X
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Damn homie, that really sucks. I lost most of my CD collection almost 2 years ago in Israel...I know how bad it feels, man, but don't trip too hard. At least you got plenty out of the music while it lasted. A lot of knowledge, pleasure, entertainment, ideas, etc... now you can always go back and buy the CDs again or download them if you don't have the cheese. Remember, it's only materialistic shit, despite the fact that I HATE losing shit with sentimental value, you always gotta remember the positives. Remember what you got out of it and how it can be replaced, not like people...I still don't see how it collided with Islam though. Fuck this faggot ass kid... definitely smash his head in if you have the chance... does it really matter what religion he is or what he thinks? He's clearly a piece of shit. Don't even trip about what he's telling people. What matters more to you, what THEY think or what YOU think? If they're fucked up enough to judge you off of what someone else says about you in the first place, then fuck it, how are they even worth stressing over? You know what I always say? Fuck them muthafuckaz!...PeACe
amen
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^And so the beefing within the muslim religion starts :-X
no... not quite... let's say hypothetically I was mad at Muslims because they wouldn't let me listen to music or other issues, so I wanted to seperate from them. The next question would be... where would I go? There's still nobody I've found is better company than the Muslims.
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Fuck that shit, you deleted your post above mine, now my post makes me look like a weirdo.. next time I'll quote your sneaky ass...
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My two worlds just collided. Anyone who knows me knows that I have two loves in this life. Islam and hip-hop. They have gotten me through anything I've encountered in this life. I've even been writing a book for a long time about the two things and how they are connected to eachother. My two worlds just collided.
I don't want to go into detail about my personal life. So this isn't exactly what happened, but to avoid going into too much detail about my personal life; let's just say I had some Muslim kid go through all of my hip-hop stuff, tell everyone I was a fake because I listened music, that I wasn't a real Muslim; and this same stupid kid ended up stealing all of my stuff for himself, and he's fucking vanished.
Then I go to everyone to get my stuff, and nobody gives a shit, because they all think that the music shit is bullshit, and that it's good for me that I got all my stuff taken.
This is collectible shit. Ya'll know that hip-hop is part of what influenced me towards Islam in the first place. Now al those cd's that influenced me are gone. Not to mention, all my data cd's and tracks I was archiving for my book I'm writing, everything is gone. That book wasn't just a book to write, that book was my life, my memories, those cd's are my memories. And nobody gives a fuck.
My identity is wrapped up in my history, that's who I am, and who I was, and who I aspire to be. All my stuff, more than just cd's was in these boxes; everything has been straight up ran through and taken, misplaced, destroyed, wrecked, and nobody gives a fuck.
My two worlds just collided.
I think you just been showed what muslims do...fuck that shit and get back to reality and quit with the nonsense, it is not too late with wasting your life and get it back 8)
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I think you just been showed what muslims do...fuck that shit and get back to reality and quit with the nonsense, it is not too late with wasting your life and get it back Cool
Once you passed the point you can never go home
you gotta face the possibility of dying alone
Universal truth is not measured in mass-appeal
this is the last time that I kneel and pray to the sky
cause almost everything that I was ever told was a LIE
This is point from which I can never return
and if I back down now then forever I burn
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^And so the beefing within the muslim religion starts :-X
no... not quite... let's say hypothetically I was mad at Muslims because they wouldn't let me listen to music or other issues, so I wanted to seperate from them. The next question would be... where would I go? There's still nobody I've found is better company than the Muslims.
muslim's aren't any better than anyone else. you put too much faith into them. they're a different culture, but they aint no worse or better than anyone else.
the main thing that pisses me off about muslims, is their inability to adjust to host countries, they voice too many opinions on issues they cant change. they cant understand our culture, just like i dont understand theirs. that doesnt mean i will go to their country and strait disrespect, tell their women to losen up, slang rocks and run a muck drunk as fuck.
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Fuck that shit, you deleted your post above mine, now my post makes me look like a weirdo.. next time I'll quote your sneaky ass...
why u think i always quote the bitch.. once u keep quoting him though.. the ho acts like you don't exist..
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that doesnt mean i will go to their country and strait disrespect, tell their women to losen up, slang rocks and run a muck drunk as fuck.
Hop on a plane Chief, we could make that a movie and be millionaires
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^And so the beefing within the muslim religion starts :-X
no... not quite... let's say hypothetically I was mad at Muslims because they wouldn't let me listen to music or other issues, so I wanted to seperate from them. The next question would be... where would I go? There's still nobody I've found is better company than the Muslims.
why do you need something or somebody...
i'm a decent dude, i'm not a druggie or theief.. but i'm not religious.. i surround myself with people into the shit i like.. and people i don't like.. i cut em loose...
you control your own destiny.. now if you want to follow the bible, koran or whatever else.. take them a spiritual guide.. but not as a manual for mirco managing every aspect of your life
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Fuck that shit, you deleted your post above mine, now my post makes me look like a weirdo.. next time I'll quote your sneaky ass...
You misunderstand my motives. There was no intention to be sneaky as you say.
Haven't you ever been in a conversation and said words you wished you could have taken back? The beauty of the written word is that often you can edit what you say so that it doesn't cause a rift amongst people you love.
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infinite, you should fuck this kid up, show him what else hip hop has taught you
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So, as an intercultural project for college I went to a mosque the other day. And really, Brian inspired me to ask some questions about the intentions of the Islam. And guess what? These people even stimulate listening to music and dancing and such.
You'll find rotten apples in 'the Muslim society', just like anywhere else. But actually, this does mean that your worlds haven't collided - it's just that somebody did some fucked up shit to you. It could have been anybody, but it just so happened to be a Muslim. That does tell you it's not realistic to believe in every Muslim's good intentions. Hopefully it's a lesson well learned...
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LOL @ everyone attempting to use logic and rationale when talking with bryan. He's not even worth attempting a real conversation with. He's on NIK status.
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LOL @ everyone attempting to use logic and rationale when talking with bryan. He's not even worth attempting a real conversation with. He's on NIK status.
LOL @ you ridin my nuts in threads that don't even involve me. Jrome status must be MUCH better. ::)
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LOL @ everyone attempting to use logic and rationale when talking with bryan. He's not even worth attempting a real conversation with. He's on NIK status.
LOL @ you ridin my nuts in threads that don't even involve me. Jrome status must be MUCH better. ::)
LOL. Get off my nuts bitch.
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LOL @ everyone attempting to use logic and rationale when talking with bryan. He's not even worth attempting a real conversation with. He's on NIK status.
LOL @ you ridin my nuts in threads that don't even involve me. Jrome status must be MUCH better. ::)
LOL. Get off my nuts bitch.
Haven't you ever wondered what it would feel like to act your age?
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yes he would act like you, and it still would be kindergarten, so shut the fuck up both
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yes he would act like you, and it still would be kindergarten
What the hell were you just trying to say? Please make sense next time.
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this post has been ruined.
locked.