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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 13, 2007, 11:26:56 AM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d653d_4207
LOL...Reminds me of some people who post here as well.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d653d_4207
LOL...Reminds me of some people who post here as well.
WOW speechless
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disgusted? no...this is just another way of indoctrinating muslims from their youngest age on...but what do you expect?
the poorer a society in a country is, the more radical the people become, especially if there is a country which is oppressing and destroying them. this is absolutely obvious that people become radical and more irrational, cuz if there is a power attacking them from outside, they have the tendency to unite inside, and the attitude towards jews (in this case) is an important step to make the people inside "stronger" by showing them that there is an external enemy.
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^^ Decent sociological thinking, props.
And to be honest, I doubt the subtitles actually represent the words being spoken. It's just... Nah.
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disgusted? no...this is just another way of indoctrinating muslims from their youngest age on...but what do you expect?
the poorer a society in a country is, the more radical the people become, especially if there is a country which is oppressing and destroying them. this is absolutely obvious that people become radical and more irrational, cuz if there is a power attacking them from outside, they have the tendency to unite inside, and the attitude towards jews (in this case) is an important step to make the people inside "stronger" by showing them that there is an external enemy.
Stop trying to get all deep into it, just look at what you see, is it not disgusting? They're not talking about soldiers, they're talking about JEWS. This is why people run into Jewish Daycare Centers and blow themselves up...No justifications whatsoever.
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^^ Decent sociological thinking, props.
And to be honest, I doubt the subtitles actually represent the words being spoken. It's just... Nah.
LOL. You act like these are the only people alive who speak the language...Come on now.
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Man the Zionist Jews and Mossad are the biggest terrorists in the world and often imitate Muslim terror cells. They were caught doing it in Pakistan before.
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Man the Zionist Jews and Mossad are the biggest terrorists in the world and often imitate Muslim terror cells. They were caught doing it in Pakistan before.
Yea and Jews are evil souls out to destroy the world...
There's a reason for everything. You will never EVER catch a video like this with a grown Jew brainwashing a Jewish child...It's just not right. If you wanna create a thread about what Jews do that isn't right, go ahead, but this is not the topic for it...Post about what you see and quit tryna justify it, cuz it makes you just as sick as the people behind the video...
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im more disgusted by how your terrorist state was made
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^^ Decent sociological thinking, props.
And to be honest, I doubt the subtitles actually represent the words being spoken. It's just... Nah.
LOL. You act like these are the only people alive who speak the language...Come on now.
Well, what I'm really saying is, I don't think there's a lot of Saudi Arabians on YouTube looking for these videos. This has been posted there to spread anxiety among the western people. Not a lot of people will bump into this, looking to validate what's being said. At times, it seemed a bit off to me, that's all. It's easy to change the context of certain words during the translating...
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I'm not saying I support terrorism or Radical Islam..I can understand why the Muslim world is raising children this way because of Israel's agenda and it will never stop unless there is total destruction. As Bush stated "this is our childrens, childrens war"
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disgusted? no...this is just another way of indoctrinating muslims from their youngest age on...but what do you expect?
the poorer a society in a country is, the more radical the people become, especially if there is a country which is oppressing and destroying them. this is absolutely obvious that people become radical and more irrational, cuz if there is a power attacking them from outside, they have the tendency to unite inside, and the attitude towards jews (in this case) is an important step to make the people inside "stronger" by showing them that there is an external enemy.
Stop trying to get all deep into it, just look at what you see, is it not disgusting? They're not talking about soldiers, they're talking about JEWS. This is why people run into Jewish Daycare Centers and blow themselves up...No justifications whatsoever.
Who cares? You fucking kikes deserve whatever gets thrown at you. ESPECIALLY you.
Also, I've recently concluded Jews are the ugliest people in the world, especially after seeing that bitch Sarah Silverman's new show.
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disgusted? no...this is just another way of indoctrinating muslims from their youngest age on...but what do you expect?
the poorer a society in a country is, the more radical the people become, especially if there is a country which is oppressing and destroying them. this is absolutely obvious that people become radical and more irrational, cuz if there is a power attacking them from outside, they have the tendency to unite inside, and the attitude towards jews (in this case) is an important step to make the people inside "stronger" by showing them that there is an external enemy.
Stop trying to get all deep into it, just look at what you see, is it not disgusting? They're not talking about soldiers, they're talking about JEWS. This is why people run into Jewish Daycare Centers and blow themselves up...No justifications whatsoever.
Who cares? You fucking kikes deserve whatever gets thrown at you. ESPECIALLY you.
Also, I've recently concluded Jews are the ugliest people in the world, especially after seeing that bitch Sarah Silverman's new show.
are you kidding me? you think sarah silverman is ugly? she may be a dirty kike like nik but i'd say shes an atrractive woman
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anyone could've translated that so i'm a bit sceptical - however if it is true it is quite worrying. But you only have to look at places like palestine the conditions they live in are breading grounds for terrorists i'm suprised there aren't many many more that come out of there.
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LMAO@people tryna justify this. Almost as pathetic as nutriders on WCC.
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Is it sad that those people are resorting to this? Yes.
Justified? Don't know.
Do I understand why? Definitely.
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^So it's rational? You don't know if it's justified?...
...then these people wonder why we have to swat them off our nuts like flies.
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^So it's rational? You don't know if it's justified?...
...then these people wonder why we have to swat them off our nuts like flies.
You can't simplify everything down to 1 video on the internet. I said I don't know if it's justified because I'm not in their shoes... who am I to say what's right or not... I made it clear that I obviously don't agree with it, and that I think it's wrong/sad in the first line of my post... and then I made the point that I do however understand WHY they feel the way they do. I tried to make my post as simple as possible, and not get too into things.
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^^Yea, I also understand why they do that, because they're pieces of shit who want their kids to blindly hate Jews, instead of teaching them the real problems. This is why the world is so fucked up, because there are too many irrational people out there who not only fuck up their own lives, but lives of the people around them as well...Sucks.
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Let's ignore the creation of Israel to begin with, and its displacing of hundreds of thousands of people, without allowing those people to return to their homes when they still hold the keys to their houses. Let's ignore that for the sake of this argument. Let's just say that Israel taking the land and the Palestinian people being now confined to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is justified. (However, logical thinking will lead you to reach the conclusion that it's unjustifiable for a group of people to settle a land, push the native population off, create a state, and not allow those natives to return to their homes.) Now... my question is.... why aren't those Palestinians allowed to return to their homes in what is now Israel... yet Israelis are building ILLEGAL settlements in the Palestinian territories? And that's not even the tip of the iceberg. Israel decides to build a barrier, which it has the right to do on the fucking border... not cutting miles and miles into Palestinian territory, stealing more land, stealing more water sources (and if you check a map showing displaying the water aquifers in the West Bank, you'll see that the wall is "coincidentally" built just to wrap around those aquifers)... on top of that, there are a buncha checkpoints making it difficult for Palestinians to live their daily lives within their own land... you got the Israelis bulldozing people's homes, destroying resources like olive trees and other vegetation that most of these people depend on to survive and make a living... I haven't even gotten into the people being directly killed off by the Israeli government... but the statistics speak for themselves. For someone who can't make sense of all this, or who doesn't want to accept these harsh realities because of their own ideologies... maybe this will help:
How come we don't hear about these terrorists?
Israeli settlers planning to blow up bombs in front of a Palestinian girls' school
https://www.youtube.com/v/1xV8OFngutY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xV8OFngutY)
Why do settlers feel the need to harass Palestinian people and International PEACE activists (let's not forget, this is not even in Israel.. this is in the Palestinian territories in which these Israelis have established illegal settlements and are trying to drive out the Palestinian people, so they can steal the rest of the land.... well at least this answers the question I earlier posed). They don't want people taking pictures or recording their atrocities because they don't want the rest of the world to see the fucked up shit they're doing. Which is also why they decided to BULLDOZE A PEACE ACTIVIST lol... justify that.
https://www.youtube.com/v/P0ZVYO0R4p8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ZVYO0R4p8)
https://www.youtube.com/v/hINZ6lpQyd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hINZ6lpQyd0)
"Screw you and your Jesus... we killed Jesus and we're proud.. don't take pictures.. this is my land.. I'm gonna kill you and the Palestinians, God gave me this land, fuck you...etc"
https://www.youtube.com/v/OO28p-yaTVY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO28p-yaTVY)
Here's some Israeli children waiting for Palestinian kids on their route to school... they're waiting to harass them... the IDF soldiers just stand a buncha Nazis and watch on... Western peace actvists have to go to Palestine so they can escort children to school... because the Israelis are a little less hesitant to kill random Americans than they're about killing innocent Palestinians... however even that won't stop them at times as the bulldozing of European/American women has shown.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FqvLtoWBpTU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqvLtoWBpTU)
^ there you see peaceful Israeli children, as opposed to those savage Palestinian ones
Here's some more...
https://www.youtube.com/v/vK2xKURltqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK2xKURltqE)
https://www.youtube.com/v/qps-q0-R850 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qps-q0-R850)
https://www.youtube.com/v/0FvPnp0tVRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FvPnp0tVRE)
There's plenty of more... but you get the point... this is why I said I understand how those Palestinian kids feel... you'd feel the same way if you were stoned everyday when going to school... or if you see bombs dropping all over your neighborhood killing your family members... all because some people decided to settle here and drive you off the land..
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or if you see bombs dropping all over your neighborhood killing your family members...
Trust me bro...You only look at one side...a good portion of my family doesn't even live in Israel due to fear of getting blown up. I've known my share of people who died in bus explosions...WERE SURROUNDED BY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, you've actually brainwashed yourself into believing that we don't suffer their bullshit as well? The difference is in the reasoning behind how we handle situations. They unreasonably try getting their kids to become Jew hating extremists without the kids even knowing SHIT! THE KIDS DONT SEE THE ISRAELIS AS HUMANS FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING, THEYRE MADE TO BELIEVE WERE MONSTERS WHO DESCEND FROM EVIL!! LITERALLY! It's insane and disgusting...And it's part of the reason that people blow themselves up only to see Israeli children burning...If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other... Not to say Israelis don't do their share of fucked up shit, but there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
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or if you see bombs dropping all over your neighborhood killing your family members...
Trust me bro...You only look at one side...a good portion of my family doesn't even live in Israel due to fear of getting blown up. I've known my share of people who died in bus explosions...WERE SURROUNDED BY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, you've actually brainwashed yourself into believing that we don't suffer their bullshit as well? The difference is in the reasoning behind how we handle situations. They unreasonably try getting their kids to become Jew hating extremists without the kids even knowing SHIT! THE KIDS DONT SEE THE ISRAELIS AS HUMANS FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING, THEYRE MADE TO BELIEVE WERE MONSTERS WHO DESCEND FROM EVIL!! LITERALLY! It's insane and disgusting...And it's part of the reason that people blow themselves up only to see Israeli children burning...If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other... Not to say Israelis don't do their share of fucked up shit, but there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
It's not surprising that you didn't/can't answer or refute any of the other points I made in my post, but that's beside the point.
1. I should trust YOU that I only look at one side? LOL I think I'd know better. Anyways, you made your point about how they're pieces of shit, so I just decided to show YOU the other side, which you seem to have overlooked. To have you know, so you don't need to resort to false assumptions, I do see both sides. I know all about the suicide bombings, but you need to realize that's a REACTION to the Israeli government's actions. Is bombing an entire village to the ground any better than a suicide bomber, just because it's carried out by a government, rather than civilians ("terrorists")?
2. Surrounded by Muslim countries... yes you are... what's your point? LOL that European Zionists should have stolen land elsewhere?
3. Yes, I saw your video, and was already aware of the things you mentioned. Did you care to look at the videos I posted to see the peaceful Israeli kids?
4. Since September 29, 2000:
Palestinians killed by Israelis: 4,070
Israelis killed by Palestinians: 1,021
Palestinian children killed by Israelis: 869
Israelis killed by Palestinians: 122
Palestinians injured: 31,296
Israelis injured: 7,633
# of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel: 9,599
# of Israeli prisoners held by Palestinians: ONE
# of Palestinian homes demolished by Israelis: 4,170
# of Israeli homes demolished by Palestinians: ZERO
Over 60 ILLEGAL Israeli settlements have been built on Palestinian land.
How many cases do you think there are of Palestinians stealing Israeli land and building settlements? You guessed it...ZERO
In case you care where the statistics come from...
The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories (RATIONAL PEOPLE)
http://www.btselem.org/index.asp (http://www.btselem.org/index.asp)
I guess you're right...
there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
And that would include you, right?
If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other
I mean, after all... you are rational, aren't you?
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In case you care where the statistics come from...
The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories (RATIONAL PEOPLE)
http://www.btselem.org/index.asp (http://www.btselem.org/index.asp)
Judging from the looks of their website, their intentions seem rational indeed. However, how rational are their sources? After all they're the Israeli Information Center for human rights in the occupied territories, not some independant non-biased source. It's impossible to tell where they got their information from.
LMAO@people tryna justify this. Almost as pathetic as nutriders on WCC.
Trying to justify this? I was only looking after the credibility of your source.
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both them bitches deserve to be shot for that shit
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It's kinda scary to see how closed minded the people from "the land of liberty" are. Yeah, your spirits are free. It shows. ::)
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I am quite outraged
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or if you see bombs dropping all over your neighborhood killing your family members...
Trust me bro...You only look at one side...a good portion of my family doesn't even live in Israel due to fear of getting blown up. I've known my share of people who died in bus explosions...WERE SURROUNDED BY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, you've actually brainwashed yourself into believing that we don't suffer their bullshit as well? The difference is in the reasoning behind how we handle situations. They unreasonably try getting their kids to become Jew hating extremists without the kids even knowing SHIT! THE KIDS DONT SEE THE ISRAELIS AS HUMANS FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING, THEYRE MADE TO BELIEVE WERE MONSTERS WHO DESCEND FROM EVIL!! LITERALLY! It's insane and disgusting...And it's part of the reason that people blow themselves up only to see Israeli children burning...If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other... Not to say Israelis don't do their share of fucked up shit, but there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
Its true the israelis have suffered, but have they suffered as much as the palestinians or lebonese? did they bring it all upon themselves? If you bomb a country almost daily for the last 60 years don't you expect people to be a little miffed, when you take away everything from them and force them to live in intollerable conditions you leave them with only one option and that is to fight. Israel could make peace if it wanted to, but the people of israel don't want peace that much is obvious.
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Of course that isn't the full story of how future suicide bombers r made. For people to resort to such overwhelming hatred, they need to be immersed in suffering. You impose sufficiently rigid conditions on people for a long enough time period, this is what you gonna get. But that isn't always necessary- sometimes it's enough to read real biased history books like this one (Battleground:Fact and Fantasy in the Holy Land, Samuel Katz):
"The Arabs did, however, play a significant and specific role in one aspect of Palestine's life: They contributed effectively to its devastation "
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/arabclaims.html
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or if you see bombs dropping all over your neighborhood killing your family members...
Trust me bro...You only look at one side...a good portion of my family doesn't even live in Israel due to fear of getting blown up. I've known my share of people who died in bus explosions...WERE SURROUNDED BY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, you've actually brainwashed yourself into believing that we don't suffer their bullshit as well? The difference is in the reasoning behind how we handle situations. They unreasonably try getting their kids to become Jew hating extremists without the kids even knowing SHIT! THE KIDS DONT SEE THE ISRAELIS AS HUMANS FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING, THEYRE MADE TO BELIEVE WERE MONSTERS WHO DESCEND FROM EVIL!! LITERALLY! It's insane and disgusting...And it's part of the reason that people blow themselves up only to see Israeli children burning...If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other... Not to say Israelis don't do their share of fucked up shit, but there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
It's not surprising that you didn't/can't answer or refute any of the other points I made in my post, but that's beside the point.
1. I should trust YOU that I only look at one side? LOL I think I'd know better. Anyways, you made your point about how they're pieces of shit, so I just decided to show YOU the other side, which you seem to have overlooked. To have you know, so you don't need to resort to false assumptions, I do see both sides. I know all about the suicide bombings, but you need to realize that's a REACTION to the Israeli government's actions. Is bombing an entire village to the ground any better than a suicide bomber, just because it's carried out by a government, rather than civilians ("terrorists")?
2. Surrounded by Muslim countries... yes you are... what's your point? LOL that European Zionists should have stolen land elsewhere?
3. Yes, I saw your video, and was already aware of the things you mentioned. Did you care to look at the videos I posted to see the peaceful Israeli kids?
4. Since September 29, 2000:
Palestinians killed by Israelis: 4,070
Israelis killed by Palestinians: 1,021
Palestinian children killed by Israelis: 869
Israelis killed by Palestinians: 122
Palestinians injured: 31,296
Israelis injured: 7,633
# of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel: 9,599
# of Israeli prisoners held by Palestinians: ONE
# of Palestinian homes demolished by Israelis: 4,170
# of Israeli homes demolished by Palestinians: ZERO
Over 60 ILLEGAL Israeli settlements have been built on Palestinian land.
How many cases do you think there are of Palestinians stealing Israeli land and building settlements? You guessed it...ZERO
In case you care where the statistics come from...
The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories (RATIONAL PEOPLE)
http://www.btselem.org/index.asp (http://www.btselem.org/index.asp)
I guess you're right...
there's a huge disparity man, anyone can see that...
And that would include you, right?
If humans in general were rational, none of this would be happening. But I can honestly say that I see less rationality coming from one side than the other
I mean, after all... you are rational, aren't you?
Dude, you're just bringing up a bunch of pointless shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand...That's why I'm only responding to what we're talking about, and that's the disgusting images we see in the video. I'm not about to get into political discussions, I stopped caring about that shit a long ass time ago when I realized how pointless it was...I know there is damage being caused by both sides, that's not the point. And obviously the damage will be stronger coming from Israel's side, considering they have much more power. Imagine if Arabs had the power Israelis had. Just imagine the world we'd be living in, especially considering the type of shit they tell their children. :-X
Stick to the topic, these are not civil people...I'm not talking about Palestinians or Israelis, I'm talking about the pieces of shit in the video...PeACe
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And yes, I'm extremely rational... 8)
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Dude, you're just bringing up a bunch of pointless shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand...That's why I'm only responding to what we're talking about, and that's the disgusting images we see in the video. I'm not about to get into political discussions, I stopped caring about that shit a long ass time ago when I realized how pointless it was...I know there is damage being caused by both sides, that's not the point. And obviously the damage will be stronger coming from Israel's side, considering they have much more power. Imagine if Arabs had the power Israelis had. Just imagine the world we'd be living in, especially considering the type of shit they tell their children. :-X
Stick to the topic, these are not civil people...I'm not talking about Palestinians or Israelis, I'm talking about the pieces of shit in the video...PeACe
dont you understand that you cant oversimplify that? what these people are talking about in the vid is the result of what is happening in the politics...OF COURSE what they say is terrible and really sad considering the fact this is only a little child and racism sucks dirrty balls as we all know (at least sum of us)... but this kind of indoctrination originates particularly in the situation and condition of the country they are living in. you cant simply disregard that.
well then imagine israel being as powerless as the arabs are, how do you think would some of them behave if they already do all kinds of mad shit now having the greater power! this is ridiculous...
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well the 1st video isn't palestinian ,the girl ,the women and the tv channel is egyptian. and the translation is about 90 % acurrate. well the site that is broadcasting all these videos are owned by a former mossad guy. and it doesn't take brains to find out its agenda mermi tv check it out from google.
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Dude, you're just bringing up a bunch of pointless shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand...That's why I'm only responding to what we're talking about, and that's the disgusting images we see in the video. I'm not about to get into political discussions, I stopped caring about that shit a long ass time ago when I realized how pointless it was...I know there is damage being caused by both sides, that's not the point. And obviously the damage will be stronger coming from Israel's side, considering they have much more power. Imagine if Arabs had the power Israelis had. Just imagine the world we'd be living in, especially considering the type of shit they tell their children. :-X
Stick to the topic, these are not civil people...I'm not talking about Palestinians or Israelis, I'm talking about the pieces of shit in the video...PeACe
dont you understand that you cant oversimplify that? what these people are talking about in the vid is the result of what is happening in the politics...OF COURSE what they say is terrible and really sad considering the fact this is only a little child and racism sucks dirrty balls as we all know... but this kind of indoctrination originates particularly in the situation and condition of the country they are living in. you cant simply disregard that.
well then imagine israel being as powerless as the arabs are, how do you think would some of them behave if they already do all kinds of mad shit now, when they have the greater power! this is ridiculous...
Israel would have probably given in a long time ago had they been powerless, especially if we didn't really urgently need a homeland, such as the Muslims. I highly doubt we'd be out there teaching our kids how to suicide bomb, I believe Israelis are a little more civil than that. No matter what you say, all you're really doing is trying to justify what's going on in the video, and I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what...You're tryna explain to me why it's happening, as if I don't know...IT DOESNT CHANGE HOW SICK IT IS. Instead of educating their kids the real way so they can make a difference in the world, this is what they do...If you wanna open a thread about fucked up shit Israelis do, go ahead, but that wasn't the point of this topic...LOL.
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@ kassem: are the most important points translated correctly, or are there some heavy mistakes in these 10% that are inaccurately translated???
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I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what...
Please, kill yourself, for the sake of humanity.
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Another video for you guys to justify...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Em-MnAYiEWk
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I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what...
Please, kill yourself, for the sake of humanity.
Elevs, it's okay to tell 3 year old children that the Koran says Jews are apes and pigs? LOL@anyone saying I'M not rational. Fuckin moron.
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Another video for you guys to justify...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Em-MnAYiEWk
Seriously, you tell me what's wrong with that. Such is religion, for your information. I personally don't like religions, but what's wrong about this specific video? You tell me.
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What's wrong with that? THEYRE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES FOR ALLAH! LMFAO!!!!
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Israel would have probably given in a long time ago had they been powerless, especially if we didn't really urgently need a homeland, such as the Muslims. I highly doubt we'd be out there teaching our kids how to suicide bomb, I believe Israelis are a little more civil than that.
THIS is some nationalist crap! how can you claim that "israelis" in general are actually more civil than "that" (whatever it means) do you know every single israeli to claim that? how can you generalize in such a way? and how can ou predict how israelis would behave in such a situation?
No matter what you say, all you're really doing is trying to justify what's going on in the video, and I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what...
You're tryna explain to me why it's happening, as if I don't know...IT DOESNT CHANGE HOW SICK IT IS.
i am not justifying anything. i was trying to make you see that i understand why it is that way!!! i didnt say i suppoert it, cuz this would be plainly insane! but as much as i dont support racism against jews, i dont support racism against arabs or any other ethnical group.
Instead of educating their kids the real way so they can make a difference in the world, this is what they do...If you wanna open a thread about fucked up shit Israelis do, go ahead, but that wasn't the point of this topic...LOL.
nope i dont really feel the urge to open a thread about all the shit some israelis did, cuz there are more than enough threads which discuss such events.
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Nik you really are a joke no one can take you seriously because you display no rationality. You have this fixed world view which includes these "evil arabs" however all you want to focus on is the effect, you are simply not interested in the underlying causes. You belong in the same category as the type of screwed up people I have encountered on other forums, who decry the killing of innocent jews and yet do not want to acknowledge the fact that the Israeli authorities do not want peace. If they wanted peace they would not randomnly bulldoze homes, they would not carry out collective punishments, they would not target basic amenities and they would not be operating what is an effectively a mass concentration camp. I don't even blame you or hold it against you, for so many years I viewed the Irisih as the problem, they were the terrorists, they were the ones targeting innocent civilians and soldiers just because they wanted a war, pure mindless hatred etc. However in retrospect I was not seeing the reality of the situation and neither are you now.
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What's wrong with that? THEYRE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES FOR ALLAH! LMFAO!!!!
Oh, I'm sorry. Please inform me, because I seem to be misinformed. I thought these kids were talking about a prayer they call the Shahadah, and talking about paradise after they die one day. Catholics basically do the same.
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Israel would have probably given in a long time ago had they been powerless, especially if we didn't really urgently need a homeland, such as the Muslims. I highly doubt we'd be out there teaching our kids how to suicide bomb, I believe Israelis are a little more civil than that.
THIS is some nationalist crap! how can you claim that "israelis" in general are actually more civil than "that" (whatever it means) do you know every single israeli to claim that? how can you generalize in such a way? and how can ou predict how israelis would behave in such a situation?
I'm giving my opinion. Isn't that what this board's about? Being Israeli, and living amongst Israelis my whole life, I think it's safe to say I have a pretty credible opinion on their beliefs and ethics. I'm pretty damn sure that we would NOT resort to suicide bombings had we been placed in those conditions, and it DEFINITELY wouldn't be encouraged amongst the majority of our people. I don't really think you have enough experience with the two groups of people (Arabs and Jews) to comment on this...
No matter what you say, all you're really doing is trying to justify what's going on in the video, and I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what...
You're tryna explain to me why it's happening, as if I don't know...IT DOESNT CHANGE HOW SICK IT IS.
i am not justifying anything. i was trying to make you see that i understand why it is that way!!! i didnt say i suppoert it, cuz this would be plainly insane! but as much as i dont support racism against jews, i dont support racism against arabs or any other ethical group.
You understand why it is that way? Does that mean you're accpeting of it? I really don't get what you're tryna say...On one hand you say the video is racist and insane, and on the other hand you're saying it's understandable. Resorting to this gets them nowhere, they're really just digging their hole even deeper! Nothing is understandable about that...And if you're actually tryna teach me something, just stop there.
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What's wrong with that? THEYRE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES FOR ALLAH! LMFAO!!!!
Oh, I'm sorry. Please inform me, because I seem to be misinformed. I thought these kids were talking about a prayer they call the Shahadah, and talking about paradise after they die one day. Catholics basically do the same.
Nope...Click the link and read the description.
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Israel would have probably given in a long time ago had they been powerless, especially if we didn't really urgently need a homeland, such as the Muslims. I highly doubt we'd be out there teaching our kids how to suicide bomb, I believe Israelis are a little more civil than that.
THIS is some nationalist crap! how can you claim that "israelis" in general are actually more civil than "that" (whatever it means) do you know every single israeli to claim that? how can you generalize in such a way? and how can ou predict how israelis would behave in such a situation?
I'm giving my opinion. Isn't that what this board's about? Being Israeli, and living amongst Israelis my whole life, I think it's safe to say I have a pretty credible opinion on their beliefs and ethics. I'm pretty damn sure that we would NOT resort to suicide bombings had we been placed in those conditions, and it DEFINITELY wouldn't be encouraged amongst the majority of our people. I don't really think you have enough experience with the two groups of people (Arabs and Jews) to comment on this...
of course, if you have lived among israelis all your life long you must have more objectivity than i do, pardon me!
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Nik you really are a joke no one can take you seriously because you display no rationality. You have this fixed world view which includes these "evil arabs" however all you want to focus on is the effect, you are simply not interested in the underlying causes. You belong in the same category as the type of screwed up people I have encountered on other forums, who decry the killing of innocent jews and yet do not want to acknowledge the fact that the Israeli authorities do not want peace. If they wanted peace they would not randomnly bulldoze homes, they would not carry out collective punishments, they would not target basic amenities and they would not be operating what is an effectively a mass concentration camp. I don't even blame you or hold it against you, for so many years I viewed the Irisih as the problem, they were the terrorists, they were the ones targeting innocent civilians and soldiers just because they wanted a war, pure mindless hatred etc. However in retrospect I was not seeing the reality of the situation and neither are you now.
You are the blind one...At least I admit that there is hatred and damage coming from both sides. Your dumb ass wants to actually believe that the Jews dont want peace and are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it. Just because I don't read into politics as much as you doesn't mean I'm not 100X smarter and more rational than you...And based on your post, that seems to be the case. You can try to educate yourself all you want, but common sense prevails.
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Israel would have probably given in a long time ago had they been powerless, especially if we didn't really urgently need a homeland, such as the Muslims. I highly doubt we'd be out there teaching our kids how to suicide bomb, I believe Israelis are a little more civil than that.
THIS is some nationalist crap! how can you claim that "israelis" in general are actually more civil than "that" (whatever it means) do you know every single israeli to claim that? how can you generalize in such a way? and how can ou predict how israelis would behave in such a situation?
I'm giving my opinion. Isn't that what this board's about? Being Israeli, and living amongst Israelis my whole life, I think it's safe to say I have a pretty credible opinion on their beliefs and ethics. I'm pretty damn sure that we would NOT resort to suicide bombings had we been placed in those conditions, and it DEFINITELY wouldn't be encouraged amongst the majority of our people. I don't really think you have enough experience with the two groups of people (Arabs and Jews) to comment on this...
of course, if you have lived among israelis all your life long you must have more objectivity than i do, pardon me!
I got to observe these people growing up, and from an unbiased perspective, I can honestly say that I can never even begin to imagine them blowing up for 72 virgins...
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That is indicative of your lack of understanding of the situation. The israelis authorities do not want peace, if they wanted peace they would not have funded Hamas to act as a rival political party against the PLO. They would not continue to build yet more settlements on the occupied territories which only further diminishes the chance of a 2 state solution. As for the bulldozing of homes, it is what is known as collective punishment, homes are bulldozed to send out a message, likewise electricity and water supplies are attacked to punish the palestinian people.
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Israel has enough military power to afford not making people sacrifice their lives for 72 virgins. This being said, it requires that it's IDF servicemen "fight and conduct themselves with courage in the face of all dangers and obstacles; They will persevere in their missions resolutely and thoughtfully even to the point of endangering their lives."
Tenacity of Purpose in Performing Missions and Drive to Victory,The IDF Spirit (Ethics Doctrine):
http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=32
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Lets see what Palestinian kids get to watch on TV...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ad8ETI9B8rw
Thank God I have a brain of my own...If I didn't know better, I really would think Israelis are evil people out for blood.
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Israel has enough military power to afford not making people sacrifice their lives for 72 virgins. This being said, it requires that it's IDF servicemen "fight and conduct themselves with courage in the face of all dangers and obstacles; They will persevere in their missions resolutely and thoughtfully even to the point of endangering their lives."
Tenacity of Purpose in Performing Missions and Drive to Victory,The IDF Spirit (Ethics Doctrine):
http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=32
So why did you serve them?...
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Sure you can blame some crazy muslims and of course there muslims with genuine unadulterated hate for jews but you should also be aware of the on ongoing effect that the israeli powers stance on the situation. Here is another example of collective punishment, whenever the british army were attacked they would identify who the suspects might be and identify the area in which those people came from. However when they entered the village they would not simply detain the suspects they would round up everyone in the village at gunpoint roughly, rabndomnly beating people up and generally ptting the fear of god into people. The justification for the actions being taken was that you have to rule people with an iron fist, however when the military have occupied an area with this type of mindset, it has only furthered the retaliatory actions. Exactly the same tactics are being undertaken in Gaza, in the west bank.
The notion that this is not collective punishment is smashed to pieces by the damning words of the prime minister of Israeli Olmert who declared that "we will bomb Gaza back to the stone age". This is an open declaration that Gaza was to indiscriminately destroyed and turned to rubble. How you can compartmentalise this and then offer the dismissive line of, this has nothing to with the ongoing killing of jews, is really beyond me. You view what you want to view, it's cognitive dissonance through many years of ignorance and indoctrination, perhaps it's both I really don't know.
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By the way I don't hold a hatred for those serving in the IDF, they are no better or worse than than the Brits, the American soldiers etc who have been issued with an order, their role is not to question that order, only to see that order through. Plus the IDF are mostly made of conscripts anyway, so in a sense I have more sympathy for the conscripts than I do for most regular serving armies.
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So why did you serve them?...
2 reasons:
1.Family being forced to immigrate to Israel (instead of to the U.S) in the late 80's because of deals the Jewish Agency made on behalf of the "Jewish Demographic Interest in Israel".
2.Israeli Law.
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1. Just because you can’t refute my arguments, doesn’t mean it’s a bunch of pointless shit. I brought the things up because you oversimplify the whole thing, and are basically saying “Look at this video! This video explains it all. We don’t need to look at the underlying root causes of the problem”. That’s dumb.
2. You can’t justify displacing a population, killing them, taking their land, illegally occupying the land they have left to keep, building barriers to steal more land and resources, etc… just because Jews needed a homeland. There’s no way to justify Israel’s atrocities based on that argument. There’s also no way to justify them displacing the population and creating their own “Jewish state” to begin with.
3. “I believe Israelis are a bit more civil than that” So Israelis are civilized, and Palestinians aren’t. That's good to know man. You're so rational, you might as well be speaking in one of those videos yourself.
4. “I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what”. You’re irrational.
5. “Your dumb ass wants to actually believe that the Jews dont want peace and are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.” They don’t want peace… they want peace on their conditions. And yes, they are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.
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The notion that this is not collective punishment is smashed to pieces by the damning words of the prime minister of Israeli Olmert who declared that "we will bomb Gaza back to the stone age".
When a Jewish leader makes a comment like that, it's an outrage. It's never forgotten. It's replayed over and over...When an Arab says the same type of shit, it's taken with a grain of salt, because it is so typical and predictable...I can tell you've been reading a lot of anti-Israeli propaganda...I'm not into all that bullshit. It really goes both ways. I'm not about to go back and forth. At least I realize that the problem does not stem from one side only though. You, my friend, are just brainwashed...PeACe
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1. Just because you can’t refute my arguments, doesn’t mean it’s a bunch of pointless shit. I brought the things up because you oversimplify the whole thing, and are basically saying “Look at this video! This video explains it all. We don’t need to look at the underlying root causes of the problem”. That’s dumb.
Where did I say this video explains it all? LOL. Now you're just making shit up...
2. You can’t justify displacing a population, killing them, taking their land, illegally occupying the land they have left to keep, building barriers to steal more land and resources, etc… just because Jews needed a homeland. There’s no way to justify Israel’s atrocities based on that argument. There’s also no way to justify them displacing the population and creating their own “Jewish state” to begin with.
There's no justifications for many things happening, that's from BOTH sides, but can we stick to the topic? We're not talking about what's justifiable and what's not, we're talking about a sick video. Like I said, if you want to start talking about fucked up shit Israelis do, open your own thread for it.
3. “I believe Israelis are a bit more civil than that” So Israelis are civilized, and Palestinians aren’t. That's good to know man. You're so rational, you might as well be speaking in one of those videos yourself.
LOL. So you don't think Israelis are more civil than Palestinians? Come on, now. Even you can't deny that.
“I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what”. You’re irrational.
So it's rational to tell a kid that the Koran says Jews are pigs and apes? LOL!
And yes, they are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.
^^^ You’re irrational.
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By the way, you keep bringing up Muslim/Jew. If you really think this is about religion, you're sadly mistaken and uninformed. Just as Jews have a problem with extremists, and not Muslims in general... Palestinians/Muslims have a problem with the Israeli government, not Jews. You also forget that there are thousands of Palestinian Christians also suffering the same fate under the illegal Israeli occupation.
People - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - were living very peacefully amongst eachother prior to the the 20th century. Even the first waves of European Jews migrated to Palestine, the people cooperated and helped eachother. Jews set up plantations, and the Palestinian Arabs worked for them. And remember, that people from all over have been moving to Palestine to set up communities there, and you didn't see a problem. The only difference is the Zionists had a political agenda/goal... to displace the Palestinians, and create a country where they'd be the majority on that land. If you were rational, you'd immediately recognize that's the start of the conflict, and would realize it's not justified at all. If you want to say that Jews needed a homeland because of persecution... fine, I'm not one to say they didn't... but what wrong did the Palestinians commit? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Oh yeah, as the videos I posted show... "God gave you this land"... and that justifies all the atrocities.
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Of course it works both ways, when did I ever deny that? the point is though Israeli is the force with the big army, the arsenal of weapons and has all the power. The quote simply exposes the fact that the israeli authorities do not want real peace, this is not an attack on all jews, or israelis for that matter, I am just saying when you look at the underlying causes for these suicide attacks, it becomes apparent that the israeli powers have contributed massively to this situation.
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By the way, you keep bringing up Muslim/Jew. If you really think this is about religion, you're sadly mistaken and uninformed. Just as Jews have a problem with extremists, and not Muslims in general... Palestinians/Muslims have a problem with the Israeli government, not Jews. You also forget that there are thousands of Palestinian Christians also suffering the same fate under the illegal Israeli occupation.
People - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - were living very peacefully amongst eachother prior to the the 20th century. Even the first waves of European Jews migrated to Palestine, the people cooperated and helped eachother. Jews set up plantations, and the Palestinian Arabs worked for them. And remember, that people from all over have been moving to Palestine to set up communities there, and you didn't see a problem. The only difference is the Zionists had a political agenda/goal... to displace the Palestinians, and create a country where they'd be the majority on that land. If you were rational, you'd immediately recognize that's the start of the conflict, and would realize it's not justified at all. If you want to say that Jews needed a homeland because of persecution... fine, I'm not one to say they didn't... but what wrong did the Palestinians commit? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Oh yeah, as the videos I posted show... "God gave you this land"... and that justifies all the atrocities.
Sorry bro, land gets taken all the time, it never drags out like this though...The land we're living on right now was taken. It's just how the world came to be. Israelis were living in Israel way before it was official land...The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens. And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way... :-\
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Of course it works both ways, when did I ever deny that? the point is though Israeli is the force with the big army, the arsenal of weapons and has all the power. The quote simply exposes the fact that the israeli authorities do not want real peace, this is not an attack on all jews, or israelis for that matter, I am just saying when you look at the underlying causes for these suicide attacks, it becomes apparent that the israeli powers have contributed massively to this situation.
Peace would have come a long time ago if the Palestians weren't as aggressive as they are...They are way too hard-headed for people with not much backing. Then again, I would be aggressive too if I was made to believe 72 virgins are waiting for me when I die.
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1. Just because you can’t refute my arguments, doesn’t mean it’s a bunch of pointless shit. I brought the things up because you oversimplify the whole thing, and are basically saying “Look at this video! This video explains it all. We don’t need to look at the underlying root causes of the problem”. That’s dumb.
Where did I say this video explains it all? LOL. Now you're just making shit up...
I said "you're basically saying"... as in those weren't your direct words, but that's what you're implying by saying that discussing the underlying root causes is pointless... you don't wan't to talk about history or facts, but in your irrational manner say "Let's just discuss the video". A rational person doesn't just oversimplify shit like this, especially when the conflict at hand is such a complex one.
2. You can’t justify displacing a population, killing them, taking their land, illegally occupying the land they have left to keep, building barriers to steal more land and resources, etc… just because Jews needed a homeland. There’s no way to justify Israel’s atrocities based on that argument. There’s also no way to justify them displacing the population and creating their own “Jewish state” to begin with.
There's no justifications for many things happening, that's from BOTH sides, but can we stick to the topic? We're not talking about what's justifiable and what's not, we're talking about a sick video. Like I said, if you want to start talking about fucked up shit Israelis do, open your own thread for it.
Refer to #1.
3. “I believe Israelis are a bit more civil than that” So Israelis are civilized, and Palestinians aren’t. That's good to know man. You're so rational, you might as well be speaking in one of those videos yourself.
LOL. So you don't think Israelis are more civil than Palestinians? Come on, now. Even you can't deny that.
You have to be really dumb to really believe that people are more civil simply because they live on another side of a border. That's the dumbest shit ever. So just because Israel has planes they can use to drop bombs on an entire village, makes Israelis more civil than a suicide bomber? It's ironic how you're so sickened by these videos, yet come in here with your Nazi mentality that your people are superior to another.
“I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what”. You’re irrational.
So it's rational to tell a kid that the Koran says Jews are pigs and apes? LOL!
No, but it's even more irrational to make the comment you did above, which only shows to what extremes you're willing to ignore any kind of causes/reasons for anything.
And yes, they are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.
^^^ You’re irrational.
They bulldoze homes to make room for a wall being built on PALESTINIAN LAND, NOT THE BORDER.
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By the way, you keep bringing up Muslim/Jew. If you really think this is about religion, you're sadly mistaken and uninformed. Just as Jews have a problem with extremists, and not Muslims in general... Palestinians/Muslims have a problem with the Israeli government, not Jews. You also forget that there are thousands of Palestinian Christians also suffering the same fate under the illegal Israeli occupation.
People - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - were living very peacefully amongst eachother prior to the the 20th century. Even the first waves of European Jews migrated to Palestine, the people cooperated and helped eachother. Jews set up plantations, and the Palestinian Arabs worked for them. And remember, that people from all over have been moving to Palestine to set up communities there, and you didn't see a problem. The only difference is the Zionists had a political agenda/goal... to displace the Palestinians, and create a country where they'd be the majority on that land. If you were rational, you'd immediately recognize that's the start of the conflict, and would realize it's not justified at all. If you want to say that Jews needed a homeland because of persecution... fine, I'm not one to say they didn't... but what wrong did the Palestinians commit? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Oh yeah, as the videos I posted show... "God gave you this land"... and that justifies all the atrocities.
Sorry bro, land gets taken all the time, it never drags out like this though...The land we're living on right now was taken. It's just how the world came to be. Israelis were living in Israel way before it was official land...The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens. And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way... :-\
1. "This land we're living on right now was taken".
If that is justified, then so is Palestinian reaction, which shouldn't be a surprise to you.
2. "ISRAELIS were living in Israel way before it was official land."
LMFAO... I hope this comment was a joke... there was never such thing as an Israeli prior to 1948. You obviously don't know anything about the history of the conflict, or history in general for that matter.
3. "The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens"
LMFAO... I thought you admitted that the land was TAKEN... so now you claim it was GIVEN TO YOU?
4. "And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way"
As you can see in the videos I posted, the Jews are too. Just because you have groups of people falling victim to the use of the tool of religion by leaders, doesn't make it the underlying root cause of the conflict.
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1. Just because you can’t refute my arguments, doesn’t mean it’s a bunch of pointless shit. I brought the things up because you oversimplify the whole thing, and are basically saying “Look at this video! This video explains it all. We don’t need to look at the underlying root causes of the problem”. That’s dumb.
Where did I say this video explains it all? LOL. Now you're just making shit up...
I said "you're basically saying"... as in those weren't your direct words, but that's what you're implying by saying that discussing the underlying root causes is pointless... you don't wan't to talk about history or facts, but in your irrational manner say "Let's just discuss the video". A rational person doesn't just oversimplify shit like this, especially when the conflict at hand is such a complex one.
2. You can’t justify displacing a population, killing them, taking their land, illegally occupying the land they have left to keep, building barriers to steal more land and resources, etc… just because Jews needed a homeland. There’s no way to justify Israel’s atrocities based on that argument. There’s also no way to justify them displacing the population and creating their own “Jewish state” to begin with.
There's no justifications for many things happening, that's from BOTH sides, but can we stick to the topic? We're not talking about what's justifiable and what's not, we're talking about a sick video. Like I said, if you want to start talking about fucked up shit Israelis do, open your own thread for it.
Refer to #1.
3. “I believe Israelis are a bit more civil than that” So Israelis are civilized, and Palestinians aren’t. That's good to know man. You're so rational, you might as well be speaking in one of those videos yourself.
LOL. So you don't think Israelis are more civil than Palestinians? Come on, now. Even you can't deny that.
You have to be really dumb to really believe that people are more civil simply because they live on another side of a border. That's the dumbest shit ever. So just because Israel has planes they can use to drop bombs on an entire village, makes Israelis more civil than a suicide bomber? It's ironic how you're so sickened by these videos, yet come in here with your Nazi mentality that your people are superior to another.
“I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what”. You’re irrational.
So it's rational to tell a kid that the Koran says Jews are pigs and apes? LOL!
No, but it's even more irrational to make the comment you did above, which only shows to what extremes you're willing to ignore any kind of causes/reasons for anything.
And yes, they are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.
^^^ You’re irrational.
They bulldoze homes to make room for a wall being built on PALESTINIAN LAND, NOT THE BORDER.
^^WTF? So Israelis don't grow up in more civil environments with much less aggression and hatred? IF YOU DENY THIS YOURE STRAIGHT UP LYING. Israelis are more civil, bro. I'm sorry, but it's just my honest opinion...Nobody is superior as humans (though we're undeniably superior in the way we grew up). I'm not saying ALL Palestinians in general are like this. Shit, I had a good friend who was Palestinian and he was way more civil than any Jew I ever knew, but that's not the point! You get what I'm saying and if you think that Israeli's being more civil is a Nazi mindset, then I feel bad for you...I'm not tryna simplify anything, I'm simply not tryna get into a Palestine vs. Israeli debate. I posted up the video to show how little children are made to think, and those weren't even Palestinians to begin with!
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^^WTF? So Israelis don't grow up in more civil environments with much less aggression and hatred? IF YOU DENY THIS YOURE STRAIGHT UP LYING. Israelis are more civil, bro. I'm sorry, but it's just my honest opinion...Nobody is superior as humans (though we're undeniably superior in the way we grew up). I'm not saying ALL Palestinians in general are like this. Shit, I had a good friend who was Palestinian and he was way more civil than any Jew I ever knew, but that's not the point! You get what I'm saying and if you think that Israeli's being more civil is a Nazi mindset, then I feel bad for you...I'm not tryna simplify anything, I'm simply not tryna get into a Palestine vs. Israeli debate. I posted up the video to show how little children are made to think, and those weren't even Palestinians to begin with!
1. To make the claim that one group is more "civil" (whatever the fuck that means to you) than the other, is retarded. But you're entitled to your opinion.
2. "I'm not tryna simplify anything, I'm simply not tryna get into a Palestine vs. Israeli debate"
Yes, all you've been doing is oversimplifying everything. And I can see why you wouldn't want to get into a debate of that sort. You pick and choose which points you want to address... and still fail miserably.
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By the way, you keep bringing up Muslim/Jew. If you really think this is about religion, you're sadly mistaken and uninformed. Just as Jews have a problem with extremists, and not Muslims in general... Palestinians/Muslims have a problem with the Israeli government, not Jews. You also forget that there are thousands of Palestinian Christians also suffering the same fate under the illegal Israeli occupation.
People - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - were living very peacefully amongst eachother prior to the the 20th century. Even the first waves of European Jews migrated to Palestine, the people cooperated and helped eachother. Jews set up plantations, and the Palestinian Arabs worked for them. And remember, that people from all over have been moving to Palestine to set up communities there, and you didn't see a problem. The only difference is the Zionists had a political agenda/goal... to displace the Palestinians, and create a country where they'd be the majority on that land. If you were rational, you'd immediately recognize that's the start of the conflict, and would realize it's not justified at all. If you want to say that Jews needed a homeland because of persecution... fine, I'm not one to say they didn't... but what wrong did the Palestinians commit? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Oh yeah, as the videos I posted show... "God gave you this land"... and that justifies all the atrocities.
Sorry bro, land gets taken all the time, it never drags out like this though...The land we're living on right now was taken. It's just how the world came to be. Israelis were living in Israel way before it was official land...The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens. And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way... :-\
1. "This land we're living on right now was taken".
If that is justified, then so is Palestinian reaction, which shouldn't be a surprise to you.
Government issues doesn't justify telling kids that your holy scriptures say Jews (A WHOLE RELIGION) are pigs and apes.
2. "ISRAELIS were living in Israel way before it was official land."
LMFAO... I hope this comment was a joke... there was never such thing as an Israeli prior to 1948. You obviously don't know anything about the history of the conflict, or history in general for that matter.
No kidding, muthafucka...Of course there was no Israel before 1948. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm saying? I know you're smart, I don't wanna feel like I'm talking to a dumbass now.
3. "The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens"
LMFAO... I thought you admitted that the land was TAKEN... so now you claim it was GIVEN TO YOU?
This one stood out to me...You've GOTTA be jokin man, right? People TAKE what's GIVEN to them. LOL!!!!!
4. "And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way"
As you can see in the videos I posted, the Jews are too. Just because you have groups of people falling victim to the use of the tool of religion by leaders, doesn't make it the underlying root cause of the conflict.
I've never witnessed Jews telling thier children that Muslims are bad people, let alone pigs and apes...can you show me this?
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1. To make the claim that one group is more "civil" (whatever the fuck that means to you) than the other, is retarded.
This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGFk5jVxeWo
^^Rabbi Meir Kahane
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGFk5jVxeWo
^^Rabbi Meir Kahane
My sound's not working, can you tell me what that says?
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1. To make the claim that one group is more "civil" (whatever the fuck that means to you) than the other, is retarded.
This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say...
What makes you think Israelis are more CIVIL than Palestinians? Because you're richer? Because you can bomb their villages and they have to resort to suicide bombing? What is it? Because you have a supposed democracy.... even though Israel is violating international law and illegally occupying Palestinian land, and then imposing a different set of law for Jews and Palestinians there... and I know you don't know what that constitutes due to your lack of knowledge.
If you consider that retarded, it pales in comparison to the dumb, unfounded shit you've spewed all over this thread... which I all addressed and responded to... but you had no reply... and all we get outta you is "I ONLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE VIDEO! PLEASE NO DEBATE! STICK TO THE VIDEO!"
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A bunch of extremist right wing crap, inciting hate and so on.
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1. To make the claim that one group is more "civil" (whatever the fuck that means to you) than the other, is retarded.
This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say...
What makes you think Israelis are more CIVIL than Palestinians? Because you're richer? Because you can bomb their villages and they have to resort to suicide bombing? What is it? Because you have a supposed democracy.... even though Israel is violating international law and illegally occupying Palestinian land, and then imposing a different set of law for Jews and Palestinians there... and I know you don't know what that constitutes due to your lack of knowledge.
If you consider that retarded, it pales in comparison to the dumb, unfounded shit you've spewed all over this thread... which I all addressed and responded to... but you had no reply... and all we get outta you is "I ONLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE VIDEO! PLEASE NO DEBATE! STICK TO THE VIDEO!"
It comes down to two words...Living conditions. The conditions Palestinians live in UNQUESTIONABLY causes them to be more aggressive, instills more hate, LESS CIVILITY. I dunno why anyone would want to deny that...Your involvment in political matters doesn't change what I know and my understanding of these issues. I've read my share of Israeli AND Palestinian propaganda as well, but I choose to ignore that and only go based on what I SEE...That's what we should do as humans. It would really maxamize our potential...Thats why I say, talk about what you see. If I'm oversimplifying things, are you not overcomplexifying them? Point blank, there's nothing understandable about the video...PeACe
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By the way, you keep bringing up Muslim/Jew. If you really think this is about religion, you're sadly mistaken and uninformed. Just as Jews have a problem with extremists, and not Muslims in general... Palestinians/Muslims have a problem with the Israeli government, not Jews. You also forget that there are thousands of Palestinian Christians also suffering the same fate under the illegal Israeli occupation.
People - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - were living very peacefully amongst eachother prior to the the 20th century. Even the first waves of European Jews migrated to Palestine, the people cooperated and helped eachother. Jews set up plantations, and the Palestinian Arabs worked for them. And remember, that people from all over have been moving to Palestine to set up communities there, and you didn't see a problem. The only difference is the Zionists had a political agenda/goal... to displace the Palestinians, and create a country where they'd be the majority on that land. If you were rational, you'd immediately recognize that's the start of the conflict, and would realize it's not justified at all. If you want to say that Jews needed a homeland because of persecution... fine, I'm not one to say they didn't... but what wrong did the Palestinians commit? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Oh yeah, as the videos I posted show... "God gave you this land"... and that justifies all the atrocities.
Sorry bro, land gets taken all the time, it never drags out like this though...The land we're living on right now was taken. It's just how the world came to be. Israelis were living in Israel way before it was official land...The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens. And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way... :-\
1. "This land we're living on right now was taken".
If that is justified, then so is Palestinian reaction, which shouldn't be a surprise to you.
Government issues doesn't justify telling kids that your holy scriptures say Jews (A WHOLE RELIGION) are pigs and apes.
You're right, it doesn't. And we all know how much worse it is to call someone a pig or ape than it is to steal their land, bulldoze their homes, kill their families, etc... and I forgot, you don't want to talk about facts or history.. we have to talk about the video only... you don't want to hear anything about the underlying root causes... you only want to hear that it's sickening. You're so rational.
2. "ISRAELIS were living in Israel way before it was official land."
LMFAO... I hope this comment was a joke... there was never such thing as an Israeli prior to 1948. You obviously don't know anything about the history of the conflict, or history in general for that matter.
No kidding, muthafucka...Of course there was no Israel before 1948. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm saying? I know you're smart, I don't wanna feel like I'm talking to a dumbass now.
LMFAO @ you getting mad at me for your lack of knowledge.
3. "The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens"
LMFAO... I thought you admitted that the land was TAKEN... so now you claim it was GIVEN TO YOU?
This one stood out to me...You've GOTTA be jokin man, right? People TAKE what's GIVEN to them. LOL!!!!!
Are you really that fucking dumb? Fighting a war to take the land = the land being given to you? Wow. LMAO. No wonder you try to argue.. you don't know shit.
4. "And you're right, it's not a Jewish-Muslim conflict, but as you can see in the video, the Arabs are obviously making it that way"
As you can see in the videos I posted, the Jews are too. Just because you have groups of people falling victim to the use of the tool of religion by leaders, doesn't make it the underlying root cause of the conflict.
I've never witnessed Jews telling thier children that Muslims are bad people, let alone pigs and apes...can you show me this?
Did I say that? I said that Jews, too, are turning this into a Jewish-Muslim conflict. Check the videos for yourself. Or maybe you have... and have no response.
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If I'm oversimplifying things, are you not overcomplexifying them? Point blank, there's nothing understandable about the video...PeACe
LMFAO. You lost man. I'm sorry. Please stop for what's left of your dignity.
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If I'm oversimplifying things, are you not overcomplexifying them? Point blank, there's nothing understandable about the video...PeACe
LMFAO. You lost man. I'm sorry. Please stop for what's left of your dignity.
Yea, I lost!..Keep thinking you're above people. You're talking about Palestinian conflicts when I post an Egyptian video of a lady telling a 3 year old the Koran says Jews are evil pigs and apes. Explain how you're not overcomplexifying shit? Get that head out that ass and realize there is no winner...I know you see this as a game, but it's just a discussion.
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(http://www.humorgazette.com/images/terror-kid.jpg)
(http://www.embassyofisrael.org/images/Martyr-kid-with-mother.jpg)
We must look at the underlying cause though!
It's sick people who think like you that fuck up this world...Based on your logic, if something bad happens, it's understandable to make it worse. :puke:
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^ more pictures from NIK... yeah... let's learn about a complex situation in the Middle East through pictures of kids... forget facts and history... all we need is google images and youtube. Give it up.
If I'm oversimplifying things, are you not overcomplexifying them? Point blank, there's nothing understandable about the video...PeACe
LMFAO. You lost man. I'm sorry. Please stop for what's left of your dignity.
Yea, I lost!..Keep thinking you're above people. You're talking about Palestinian conflicts when I post an Egyptian video of a lady telling a 3 year old the Koran says Jews are evil pigs and apes. Explain how you're not overcomplexifying shit? Get that head out that ass and realize there is no winner...I know you see this as a game, but it's just a discussion.
^ Who said anything about me being above people? LOL you're the one claiming Israelis > Palestinians. You posted a video, and said how sick it is... I said yeah, it's sad to see people resort to shit like that, and that I, however, understand WHY... and then I explained why. You either did not understand, or were unwilling to understand. After all, you don't want to (can't) debate, when the need to resort to historic facts is necessary. You just want to hear "Palestinians are uncivilized. This video is sickening". That's oversimplifying. Me responding with the underlying root causes is not "overcomplexifying" lol... I'm sorry if I actually try to look at both sides of an issue, and I'm sorry for resorting to history and facts, and I'm sorry for being too rational. No, it isn't a discussion because you refuse (can't) have one. You pick and choose, and once you're made to look like an idiot, you go back to "let's just talk about the video" LOL.
Anyways man... I got classes and finals to study for... but this thread speaks for itself... you said yourself you don't want to debate the history/facts... and it's obvious why... you don't know your shit... you say you just want to hear about the sick video... but then you still decide to pick and choose what you want to respond to in my posts... and then you get ethered on those points... and then you feel like resorting to dumb, irrational, unfounded comments as a last resort. It's coo though.. I don't blame you.. you need to educate yourself on this shit to gain a basic understanding... you should ask I Geezy to teach you a few things... I may not have agreed with him in the past, and we had our differences on the way we viewed what happened... but at least he knew what happened. Anyways, I wish you luck... hopefully you can dig yourself out of this ignorance... maybe this will help to serve as an analogy you might understand: Kobe = Palestine, Rest of the league + Refs = Israel. Peace.
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Theres always a reason why people do things. People dont do these things just out hate, the hate comes from somewhere. Come on you should now these things.
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Theres always a reason why people do things. People dont do these things just out hate, the hate comes from somewhere. Come on you should now these things.
Stop... he'll tell you that you're too rational and "overcomplexifying" things. We should only look at the video, say how sick it is, and that's it. Don't talk about anything else.
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LOL. You just dont get it...What the fuck do you think you know that I don't? It's not rocket-science, son. I show you something, and you make 100 other points tryna explain things I already know to justify it. That's how things get off-topic. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU SAID THE VIDEO WAS UNDERSTANDABLE, WHICH AUTOMATICALLY SHOWS ME HOW YOU THINK...Everything else really doesn't mean much, because it's just you explaining why it's understandable (by telling me things I know), which is WRONG to begin with...See, when your brain overcomplexifies shit, that's when you start feeling too smart for your own good, smarter than you really are...Shit is much simpler than you make it out to be, from the conflicts to what's being said in the video. No need to make stuff seem harder than it really is...BASICALLY, YOU HAVENT TAUGHT ME SHIT. I know you tried, but the main thing I learned today was that you believe the video is understandable (based on shit I already knew)... :-X
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^^ You would make a terrible philosopher, simply because you fail to recognise the difference between understanding somebody's logic and actually agreeing with them, or validating the actions. And I'm afraid, that's what makes you such a hopeless case when it comes to debating. There's just no point.
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^^ You would make a terrible philosopher, simply because you fail to recognise the difference between understanding somebody's logic and actually agreeing with them, or validating the actions. And I'm afraid, that's what makes you such a hopeless case when it comes to debating. There's just no point.
I completely understand his logic, I just don't feel how someone can see the video as "understandable"...The video is too fucking mentally offending and sick for that. I actually think you're the one with the comprehension issues...
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You know something bad originates in something much worst.
If you're intent to point out evils- Namely, to raise moral questions-why not point out the greater evil among the evils you mention? Why should we mention one evil and disregard the greater ones.
Morals don't bear selectivity.
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LOL. You just dont get it...What the fuck do you think you know that I don't? It's not rocket-science, son. I show you something, and you make 100 other points tryna explain things I already know to justify it. That's how things get off-topic. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU SAID THE VIDEO WAS UNDERSTANDABLE, WHICH AUTOMATICALLY SHOWS ME HOW YOU THINK...Everything else really doesn't mean much, because it's just you explaining why it's understandable (by telling me things I know), which is WRONG to begin with...See, when your brain overcomplexifies shit, that's when you start feeling too smart for your own good, smarter than you really are...Shit is much simpler than you make it out to be, from the conflicts to what's being said in the video. No need to make stuff seem harder than it really is...BASICALLY, YOU HAVENT TAUGHT ME SHIT. I know you tried, but the main thing I learned today was that you believe the video is understandable (based on shit I already knew)... :-X
LMAO... I feel sorry for you man.
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..See, when your brain overcomplexifies shit, that's when you start feeling too smart for your own good, smarter than you really are...
LOL so youre tryin basically to think less in order to prevent the feeling of being too smart! No wonder youre so brainwashed, dont understand shit,are incapable of discussing anything and arent able to defer to the things we are talking about.
btw, im gonna quote ben gurion just so you see how pure the creation and the following actions of israel are:
"why should the arabs want to have peace with us? if i was an arab leader, i would never sign such an agreement with israel. this is completely obvious: we have taken their land. of course, god promised we can live here, but why should the arabs be interessted in that? Our god is not their god!(...) why should they accept that? maybe they are going to forget about it in a few generations, but at this very moment they are not wiling to disregard that fact. so we can do only one thing, which is to stay strong and to build a powerful army. this is what our politics are about. otherwise the arabs are going to destroy us" ( translated from german, source: "the jewish paradox" by nahum goldmann (1978, p.137))
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All Jews think like NIK. I say, that's a perfectly good reason to gas those big-nosed muthafuckas, every last one of them.
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^^ you probably havent noticed but i to da geezy is also jewish and does not agree with nik by any chance...so shut the fuck up and go hang yourself or do something else that is as much useful
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You shouldve asked your question in another way. You shouldve asked, are you disgusted by the fact that they teach a 3 year old kid this things. Yes, cuz a three you old kid doesnt need to know these things. But are you disgusted by the way on how these people think who teached this kid these things, no. Cuz there is a reason why these people think the way they do.
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Ya'll are funny...I post a video about something happening that is unacceptable, yet fairly common. People come in here trying to explain to me why they do this, as if I don't know. I say I don't want this thread turning into an Israeli-Palestinian conflict thread (especially considering the people in the video aren't even Palestinian), yet it still does. I really got ethered there, huh Jamal! You take yourself way too seriously on here, homie...
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I really got ethered there, huh Jamal!
You said it, not me. I didn't even make it about that... I didn't think it was necessary to mention the obvious, but since you brought it up, I would like to admit that I don't deserve full credit... half of the time you were busting a tubgirl and just shitting on yourself.
You take yourself way too seriously on here, homie...
LOL. I'm not even gonna say anything.
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and then you get ethered on those points...
If you can't even remember what you said youself, how do you expect to be taken seriously? Please explain to me what I got "ethered" about, Jamal? I'd really like to hear it. See, you type in a very condescending way, as if this little thread explains our life and intelligence level or something. "I feel sorry for you man!" "you made yourself look like an idiot!" How?...That's why I say you take yourself too seriously on here...You think it's like a game where people win or lose. I'm not even arguing anything with you. You just love turning everything into a debate, even when no one is really debating anything with you...I know it's only on WCC, but seriously, you didn't "ether" anyone this time....I'm sure you can handle it.
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1. I said I didn't make it about that.... as in I was posting in order to have a discussion... it wasn't about ethering or anything like that, until you tried to argue and type in a "condescending way", which you now accuse me of... and here are some examples of that:
Here is your response to Virtuoso:
Your dumb ass wants to actually believe that the Jews dont want peace and are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it. Just because I don't read into politics as much as you doesn't mean I'm not 100X smarter and more rational than you...And based on your post, that seems to be the case. You can try to educate yourself all you want, but common sense prevails.
Didn't you just get done telling me "as if this little thread explains our life and intelligence level or something", yet that's exactly what you're making it about. I said you lack knowledge about the situation, which you obviously do... you decide to claim you're 100x smarter than other people, and are proving the exact opposite with your posts.
Here are some more examples of you doing what you accuse me of:
2. "ISRAELIS were living in Israel way before it was official land."
LMFAO... I hope this comment was a joke... there was never such thing as an Israeli prior to 1948. You obviously don't know anything about the history of the conflict, or history in general for that matter.
No kidding, muthafucka...Of course there was no Israel before 1948. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm saying? I know you're smart, I don't wanna feel like I'm talking to a dumbass now.
3. "The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens"
LMFAO... I thought you admitted that the land was TAKEN... so now you claim it was GIVEN TO YOU?
This one stood out to me...You've GOTTA be jokin man, right? People TAKE what's GIVEN to them. LOL!!!!!
^ you getting butthurt and mad at me because you shitted on yourself... like that's my fault.
This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say...
2. You say you're not arguing with me, yet that's exactly what you've been doing for the last 4 pages... and not just with me. You argue, but ignore most of the points, and just pick and choose the ones you think you may have a response to, and as soon as you see yourself in a hole with those... you go back to "can we just talk about the video I posted"
If you want to know why I made the comment about you being shitted on (and you doing some shitting on yourself), all you have to do is read the posts in this thread.
- You clearly do try to argue, but you ignore most of my points.
- You use "I don't want to argue, let's just stick to the video" as your excuse.
- If you didn't want to argue, why did you pick and choose your points?
- Even the points you decided to give a shot, you shitted on yourself... read the thread for yourself, and see the responses from me and others. If you're unable to even see that for yourself, let me know and I'll give you a hand.
3. All I did is come in here and try to have a discussion/debate. You can't hang. But you are the last person to be telling anyone on WCC that they're taking things to seriously.
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I didn't argue anything, everyone tried turning this into an Israeli-Palestinian conflict thread and I simply said that I wasn't tryna debate that! No need to keep tryna complexify what happened. The only thing I debated was the dumb claims, such as Israelis bulldozing homes for fun and people not being able to take what they're given (<still LOL@that) ..And why should I be the last person to talk about how serious people take this board? Because I have the most posts? Come on, I obviously take this board much lighter than you do, especially considering your whole existance on here is pretty much you tryna top people in this section...
You even said it yourself, you came in here to have a debate and that's not what this thread was about...Your intentions when steppin up in this thread, now THAT'S where it went wrong.
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I didn't argue anything, everyone tried turning this into an Israeli-Palestinian conflict thread and I simply said that I wasn't tryna debate that! No need to keep tryna complexify what happened. The only thing I debated was the dumb claims, such as Israelis bulldozing homes for fun and people not being able to take what they're given (<still LOL@that) ..And why should I be the last person to talk about how serious people take this board? Because I have the most posts? Come on, I obviously take this board much lighter than you do, especially considering your whole existance on here is pretty much you tryna top people in this section...
You even said it yourself, you came in here to have a debate and that's not what this thread was about...Your intentions when steppin up in this thread, now THAT'S where it went wrong.
1. Like I said, you only decided to debate what you thought you had a chance... but still shitted on yourself.
2. “Your dumb ass wants to actually believe that the Jews dont want peace and are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.”
To inform you, and help you get of that ignorance, the Israeli government bulldozes homes in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories to make room for a wall that’s not even built on the border, but rather on Palestinian land.
3. The only thing you have to LOL @ is your own posts. For example:
Israelis were living in Israel way before it was official land...The land was officially given to us, it's just how shit happens.
Dumbest shit ever.
4. You take this board much lighter than me? LOL. Ignoring post count, I don't bitch and whine about how others view me or treat me on a board.
5. You said yourself it's a discussion, not a game. But you couldn't even have that. You bitch out everytime you get shitted on, or shit on yourself.
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^^You still can't explain what I've shitted on myself about? You just keep saying it over and over, as if it's gunna make it true..I didn't claim to know ALL the details on the conflict, that's why I didn't wanna debate it to begin with. But does that mean I can't post the video? That's like me saying you can't post a video about Kobe in the sports section without wanting to debate his history! And then I'll keep telling you that you shitted on yourself when you refuse to do so...And you act like you don't know what the fuck I'm saying, let me rephrase it for you since you had trouble understanding it...
Israelis Jews lived in the land that is now known as Israel. Better? Also, I never bitched and whined about how people viewed me. Did I think it was pathetic that 80 people were riding my nuts at once? Yes. Did I bitch and whine about it?...Not really. Is your main goal on WCC to "ether" people in this section? Yes...Hmmm, I wonder which board has more serious discussions, Train of Thought or Sports section? Come on now...
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I didn't claim to know ALL the details on the conflict, that's why I didn't wanna debate it to begin with. But does that mean I can't post the video? That's like me saying you can't post a video about Kobe in the sports section without wanting to debate his history!
You posted a video, and made comments about their views... then I, among others, told you that you're oversimplifying it because you seemed to have forgotten that there are deep-rooted historic causes for all the bullshit. You said yourself "this is a discussion", which is what it was, so what's your complaint? You tried to argue some points, and ignored some, and now say you didn't want to debate. But anyways, that's done.
Nobody said you can't post the video. You can do what you want. Don't get upset over the fact that people were trying to discuss something which you had no background knowledge about. You could've done what you just did a long time ago, and just said "I don't know".
As for your analogy... LOL@ comparing the complexity of Kobe's biography to that of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Peace.
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I still know the basic elements of the conflict, I just didn't want this thread to turn into the typical, played out Palestinian vs. Israeli discussion...I don't think anything can justify the reaction from some Arabs. The brainwashing tactics are inexcusable in my opinion. That's what this thread is about. It's about WHAT'S going on in this video, not what you believe LED to it. Don't you believe humans should be held accountable for their own actions anyways? I don't think it's fair to plant hatred in the mind of a 3 year old. Hatred for a whole race/religion of people...If you can understand that, fine, that's you, but I just have a different view...
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If you can understand that, fine, that's you, but I just have a different view...
So you don't understand? Ok cool.
Peace.
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I believe there is no reason to do that to a 3 year old, so I can't understand why someone would...
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I don't think anything can justify the reaction from some Arabs. The brainwashing tactics are inexcusable in my opinion.
Before we end, I'm glad you pointed out the fact that it's a REACTION from Arabs, admitting what I was basically saying from the start.. that these are reactions to Israeli atrocities.
The brainwashing tactics are inexusable, but UNDERSTANDABLE, which is what I said in my first post. And might I remind you, brainwashing/propaganda is used on both sides, just like it is in the rest of the world. The people who fall victim are those that believe the lies... on the side being targetted with the lies as well as those being opposed.
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I don't think anything can justify the reaction from some Arabs. The brainwashing tactics are inexcusable in my opinion.
Before we end, I'm glad you pointed out the fact that it's a REACTION from Arabs, admitting what I was basically saying from the start.. that these are reactions to Israeli atrocities.
The brainwashing tactics are inexusable, but UNDERSTANDABLE, which is what I said in my first post. And might I remind you, brainwashing/propaganda is used on both sides, just like it is in the rest of the world. The people who fall victim are those that believe the lies... on the side being targetted with the lies as well as those being opposed.
^^But it's all a cycle...You think some of what the Israelis do is not a reaction from something the Palestinians have done as well? It's all a never-ending cycle man...
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I believe there is no reason to do that to a 3 year old, so I can't understand why someone would...
Since you care so much about Arab children, the actions of Israelis in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories should sicken you, and then help you understand why the Arab kids have the hatred instilled in them. Check the videos.
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I don't think anything can justify the reaction from some Arabs. The brainwashing tactics are inexcusable in my opinion.
Before we end, I'm glad you pointed out the fact that it's a REACTION from Arabs, admitting what I was basically saying from the start.. that these are reactions to Israeli atrocities.
The brainwashing tactics are inexusable, but UNDERSTANDABLE, which is what I said in my first post. And might I remind you, brainwashing/propaganda is used on both sides, just like it is in the rest of the world. The people who fall victim are those that believe the lies... on the side being targetted with the lies as well as those being opposed.
^^But it's all a cycle...You think some of what the Israelis do is not a reaction from something the Palestinians have done as well? It's all a never-ending cycle man...
What Israelis are doing in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories is not part of any sort of cycle. Please try to do some research on the history and what's going on right now.
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Alright, I'll do more research. I still know the gist of it though, and I still think the content in the video is inexcusable. Nothing will change my opinion on that.
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Inciting hatred against people is inexcusable, it's a basic truism. Murder is even more inexcusable, also a basic truism. In your opinion, does brainwashing Palestinian kids to hate Jews justify Israeli actions against the Palestinian population (Namely, murder and expropriation)?-If so what kind of Palestinian actions do you think can be justified in response to murder and expropriation? ....Notice, that there is no disagreement between us on whether inciting hatred is good because we all know it's bad. We also know, however, that there is something worst going on that produces this incitement (It doesn't appear in a historical vacuum). Moreoever, if you REALLY want to see it stop, YOU should be the one lookin for the underlying causes (A Fortiori in a case when, as u mentioned, "It's all a cycle"). Otherwise you're just preserving the status quo, the current order of things.
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In your opinion, does brainwashing Palestinian kids to hate Jews justify Israeli actions against the Palestinian population (Namely, murder and expropriation)
Of course not...Is that what people got from me? That I think this video justifies the death of innocent civilians? If so, then you completely got me twisted homie...
I got a question for you though...Do you support the existance of Israel and how it came to be, or not? Do you wish Israel wouldn't be the Jewish homeland?
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Of course not...
Good that we've established it. If it doesn't justify Israeli actions against the Palestinian population why should we act as if it does (by disregarding the Israeli actions that entailed it)?
I don't SUPPORT the existance of any states (States are morally illegitimate structures, there is ample evidence to that effect). There shouldn't be a Jewish state more than there should be a Protestant, or a caucasian, state for that matter. Meaning that there shouldn't be discrimination of people on grounds of religion and/or race. Ironically, the Israeli declaration of independence states exactly this alongside defining Israel as a Jewish State (Thus basically contradicting itself). In Israel as you know Arabs do not get equal rights and therefore are discriminated against. In addition, you can not run for parliament in Israel unless you acquiesce to the terms of this discrimination. Such things as well as other things that were done prior to the creation of Israel, as well as throughout its existence, I do not support. Just like I'm sure you do not support the genocide of the indian population on which your country was established or the mass murder of the Iraqi population.
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^^ And I thought anarchists are a rare breed these days... Props :D
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I understand the notion of anarchism but if you think police states don't love anarchy then you are sorely mistaken. In fact, anarachy works for a police state on 2 levels because it creates the excuse to clamp down on people further and also paints the anarachist (if we are talking about violence) as a mindless thug.
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Erm... As far as I'm concerned, anarchism actually combats anarchy? With anarchism being a peaceful state of mankind beyond equilibrium, without oppression, leadership or rulership... And anarchy simply being a state of total chaos? Anarchy surely helps police states, that's for sure, but anarchism is a whole different subject if you ask me.
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Sorry man I misread what you said :-[