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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on March 13, 2007, 11:12:42 PM
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This shit is so crazy. 40 years ago, 1967, MLK spoke these words.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xw0bvmx3ST4
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Just, why did they have to put Hail Mary over it... It's kinda logic from MLK's idealogical point of view, that he said these things. No surprise here; just praise. I never believed his ways would work, but there's some truth in his words.
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dammmn
true shit
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Just, why did they have to put Hail Mary over it... It's kinda logic from MLK's idealogical point of view, that he said these things. No surprise here; just praise. I never believed his ways would work, but there's some truth in his words.
why would it not work??
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Well, to me Martin Luther King was the ultimate front man of a movement that considers all people are equal, and all people are the same.
But isn't that honestly some bullshit utopian thinking, to assume people can perfectly live together that easily? It takes some serious control over the environment to make integration work. To think it's something that just 'happens inside of the minds of the people', would be seriously short-sighted.
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Well, to me Martin Luther King was the ultimate front man of a movement that considers all people are equal, and all people are the same.
But isn't that honestly some bullshit utopian thinking, to assume people can perfectly live together that easily? It takes some serious control over the environment to make integration work. To think it's something that just 'happens inside of the minds of the people', would be seriously short-sighted.
What Dr. King was speaking was revolutionary. This man was looking beyond what we can imagion, but wish for. Why wish for it, why dream about it, why can't we do something about it. It's like the vision died with the man.
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Well, to me Martin Luther King was the ultimate front man of a movement that considers all people are equal, and all people are the same.
But isn't that honestly some bullshit utopian thinking, to assume people can perfectly live together that easily? It takes some serious control over the environment to make integration work. To think it's something that just 'happens inside of the minds of the people', would be seriously short-sighted.
What Dr. King was speaking was revolutionary. This man was looking beyond what we can imagion, but wish for. Why wish for it, why dream about it, why can't we do something about it. It's like the vision died with the man.
I know, we need people like that, especially now. That's just to keep the masses in track, but that won't actually make the big difference that's needed. Surely, the people gotta change, but they can't change themselves; they must be changed along with their environment. Such is the behavior of groups. It's kinda irrealistic to assume you can change culture through some speeches by spreading an ideology. The means aren't large enough to realistically accomplish all that.
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Well, to me Martin Luther King was the ultimate front man of a movement that considers all people are equal, and all people are the same.
But isn't that honestly some bullshit utopian thinking, to assume people can perfectly live together that easily? It takes some serious control over the environment to make integration work. To think it's something that just 'happens inside of the minds of the people', would be seriously short-sighted.
What Dr. King was speaking was revolutionary. This man was looking beyond what we can imagion, but wish for. Why wish for it, why dream about it, why can't we do something about it. It's like the vision died with the man.
I know, we need people like that, especially now. That's just to keep the masses in track, but that won't actually make the big difference that's needed. Surely, the people gotta change, but they can't change themselves; they must be changed along with their environment. Such is the behavior of groups. It's kinda irrealistic to assume you can change culture through some speeches by spreading an ideology. The means aren't large enough to realistically accomplish all that.
I kind of agree, because if you look in the black community, since Dr. King's death, it has been worst in terms of black on black violence, and black people just being lost. You can argue the introduction of crack into the urban communities as a huge part of the problem, but in the end, the morals of the black community died with the man. But at the same time, as he lived, people became angry at the situtation, and they did something about it. Dr. King forced people to see the reality, and do something about it. This is what is needed. Even if the goal is never reached, there needs to be improvements.
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Damn. You hear his voice and it's like confronting shit. The security in this man's every breath is crazy, I swear man.
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Damn. You hear his voice and it's like confronting shit. The security in this man's every breath is crazy, I swear man.
that Hail Mary beat was crazy too. I doubt he would like it, but for today's generation, I think it adds to the fact that it sounds like his talking for the grave. I can get the whole speech that he said all this, but it's 22 minutes, and who would honestly listen to it. Also, no hip-hop beat... lol. But, it is an amazing speech, the sad shit is that you can substitute Vietnam for Iraq, and it's almost the same thing.
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Just a thought, the penny is being redisigned in 2010, and in 2009 they will not produce pennies. The plan is to stick with Lincoln, but their is a small movement to have Martin Luther King replace Lincoln on the penny, since Lincoln is on the $5 bill. What do people think?
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Damn. You hear his voice and it's like confronting shit. The security in this man's every breath is crazy, I swear man.
that Hail Mary beat was crazy too. I doubt he would like it, but for today's generation, I think it adds to the fact that it sounds like his talking for the grave. I can get the whole speech that he said all this, but it's 22 minutes, and who would honestly listen to it. Also, no hip-hop beat... lol. But, it is an amazing speech, the sad shit is that you can substitute Vietnam for Iraq, and it's almost the same thing.
Hook me up! Those long speeches always get me hyped. As for the pennies... Yeah, give MLK his penny!
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Just a thought, the penny is being redisigned in 2010, and in 2009 they will not produce pennies. The plan is to stick with Lincoln, but their is a small movement to have Martin Luther King replace Lincoln on the penny, since Lincoln is on the $5 bill. What do people think?
That's awesome.
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nice!
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The penny thing was a small movement. I've heard journalist say give King the $20, because Andrew Jackson was a Native killer and slave owner, and what better way to replace him than to put King on there. The penny movement came because in 2010, they are redisigning the penny, and some felt that King should be put on there. Congress stuck with Lincoln. Congress did however vote to put Ronald Reagan on the dime, but Nancy Reagan didn't want to see FDR leave the currency system, so that was squashed.
http://www.youtube.com/v/b80Bsw0UG-U
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What speech was this?
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
Is that all you have to say. This is why I put up that video. Even though if I had made that video, I would have not put a beat on it at all, if I did, maybe a Marvin Gaye song... MAYBE. But the words are important, and I know that people like Trauma would not listen to the whole speech I posted, since it's 22 minutes. So you go straight to the point, and put up the 2 minutes that go straight to the heart. Sadly, I can only find it with the 2Pac beat, but I digress. Trauma of course would never speak against King, just ignore it.
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The man was a prophet in so many ways. Damn, we Lost One and so much more...
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doodes gona be on money now
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I respect MLK, but he didn't promote the killing of crackers, which is not good. Real GODs are out for revenge and the slaughter of the devil, which is what Allah wanted. No peace, we gotta thrash these demons until their pale skin is dripping with red blood. Cock the chopper and kill you some crackers, boy...
Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
Fuck whitey...buck the devil in 2K7.
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What speech was this?
sorry I didn't catch your question. The speech is called Beyond Vietnam.
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What speech was this?
sorry I didn't catch your question. The speech is called Beyond Vietnam.
Propz, appreciate that homie.
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
I respected Pac more than King actually... It was white people who put King on the pedestal like that, blacks loved him, but I think we get more riled up by people such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. King didn't have a plan, he just wanted equality with white people and take it from there, but there will never be full equality so revolutionary warfare and a shift of power is the only solution.
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
I respected Pac more than King actually... It was white people who put King on the pedestal like that, blacks loved him, but I think we get more riled up by people such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. King didn't have a plan, he just wanted equality with white people and take it from there, but there will never be full equality so revolutionary warfare and a shift of power is the only solution.
I think that's the argument that most people who wanted more use. But on the real, you can't do that as a minority. Blacks are still only 15% of the country, it will be impossible to ask for what Malcolm and 'Pac represented. MLK is the best you can hope for in that his asking.
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
I respected Pac more than King actually... It was white people who put King on the pedestal like that, blacks loved him, but I think we get more riled up by people such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. King didn't have a plan, he just wanted equality with white people and take it from there, but there will never be full equality so revolutionary warfare and a shift of power is the only solution.
I think that's the argument that most people who wanted more use. But on the real, you can't do that as a minority. Blacks are still only 15% of the country, it will be impossible to ask for what Malcolm and 'Pac represented. MLK is the best you can hope for in that his asking.
Why is that? After all, what Malcolm represented isn't to the interest of blacks only. It's not like the blacks alone have to change. And besides that, a huge part of what Malcolm propagated actually is about making a change from within the lives of the blacks. Remember his view on enterpreneurship and community support?
And to put 2Pac next to Malcolm X is rediculous if you ask me. I can't think of a single thing Pac really propagated, except for violence and the patheticness of some of the black society. Pac seriously contradicted Malcolm in a bad way.
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What 'Pac was is a reflection of reality. He was a product more that he was anything else, and he was well aware of it. He would have been very dangerous had me matured. Remember, at 25, when 'Pac died, MALCOLM WAS A PIMP. He was a criminal, and 'Pac was headed down the same path.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Bu_NcDsHh_I
http://www.youtube.com/v/LQ4FvfM9Ftk
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here goes some Boondox mix with Mumia Abdul Jamal all about Martin Luther King. Was MLK the most dangerous black leader in history to the American way?
http://www.youtube.com/v/5G_mmloT5_c
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here goes some Boondox mix with Mumia Abdul Jamal all about Martin Luther King. Was MLK the most dangerous black leader in history to the American way?
http://www.youtube.com/v/5G_mmloT5_c
props man 1+ that was nice. FREE MUMIA!!!!!
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
I respected Pac more than King actually... It was white people who put King on the pedestal like that, blacks loved him, but I think we get more riled up by people such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. King didn't have a plan, he just wanted equality with white people and take it from there, but there will never be full equality so revolutionary warfare and a shift of power is the only solution.
Blacks are still only 15% of the country
That's all it takes compadre, study history..
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Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
I respected Pac more than King actually... It was white people who put King on the pedestal like that, blacks loved him, but I think we get more riled up by people such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. King didn't have a plan, he just wanted equality with white people and take it from there, but there will never be full equality so revolutionary warfare and a shift of power is the only solution.
Blacks are still only 15% of the country
That's all it takes compadre, study history..
thats all it takes to what? Revolutions are carried out by the majority. Seperatist may be a minority, but the black community is too seperated in their own rights to have a movement like that. Even in the 60's when they had great leaders, no one could decide who to follow, Malcolm in the north, or MLK in the south. MLK had the Southern Baptist, Malcolm was converting people into Muslim, that right there seperated the masses of black people. A movement like that could not work in a country as large as the US.
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What 'Pac was is a reflection of reality. He was a product more that he was anything else, and he was well aware of it. He would have been very dangerous had me matured. Remember, at 25, when 'Pac died, MALCOLM WAS A PIMP. He was a criminal, and 'Pac was headed down the same path.
Even though that's a could be/would be story, you've got a good point there. I was really surprised watching that first video you posted; it really did change some of my view on 2pac. Strange thing is, this side of Pac was never really given proper attention. Either he didn't look for that himself, or it just wasn't given to him.
Problem is, Tupac could in no way contradict himself more. The difference between Malcolm as a youngster and Tupac as a younger, is that Malcolm wasn't publicly preaching violence. Tupac is one of the most (in)famous gangsta rappers, talking to the world about killing niggers. So how can he do that, and at the same time preach for black unity?
At least Malcolm had a change of heart - that's where his story began: in prison, when he converted to Islam and started educating himself. Malcolm changed over time. But Tupac chose for people to idolize him for whole different reasons... Reasons that actually oppose his own words here. Wouldn't that make it impossible for him to be the next coming of Malcolm, because of the hypocritical and contradictory way Tupac exposed himself to the masses?
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I respect MLK, but he didn't promote the killing of crackers, which is not good. Real GODs are out for revenge and the slaughter of the devil, which is what Allah wanted. No peace, we gotta thrash these demons until their pale skin is dripping with red blood. Cock the chopper and kill you some crackers, boy...
Only thing I've got to say is that whoever put Tupac's beat on there is a fucking idiot. You've got an idealistic reverend who preached nothing but peace and love his entire life juxtaposed over the music of a faker who one moment would talk about rising above poverty and the next minute would do anything from rape somebody to shoot at someone to sell drugs or talk about murdering his best friend. To even insinuate that Tupac and Dr. King had anything other than their race in common is laughable.
Fuck whitey...buck the devil in 2K7.
You aint no GODBODY talkin like that, if you stepped to any REAL CIPHER talkin that BS you would get bombed! Plus ALLAH NEVER taught revenge! If you some type of fanatical Muslim: GOD IS NOT A MUSLIM!
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What 'Pac was is a reflection of reality. He was a product more that he was anything else, and he was well aware of it. He would have been very dangerous had me matured. Remember, at 25, when 'Pac died, MALCOLM WAS A PIMP. He was a criminal, and 'Pac was headed down the same path.
Even though that's a could be/would be story, you've got a good point there. I was really surprised watching that first video you posted; it really did change some of my view on 2pac. Strange thing is, this side of Pac was never really given proper attention. Either he didn't look for that himself, or it just wasn't given to him.
Problem is, Tupac could in no way contradict himself more. The difference between Malcolm as a youngster and Tupac as a younger, is that Malcolm wasn't publicly preaching violence. Tupac is one of the most (in)famous gangsta rappers, talking to the world about killing niggers. So how can he do that, and at the same time preach for black unity?
At least Malcolm had a change of heart - that's where his story began: in prison, when he converted to Islam and started educating himself. Malcolm changed over time. But Tupac chose for people to idolize him for whole different reasons... Reasons that actually oppose his own words here. Wouldn't that make it impossible for him to be the next coming of Malcolm, because of the hypocritical and contradictory way Tupac exposed himself to the masses?
I agree, once 'Pac joined Tha Row, I was a hardcore 2Pac fan, and I found myself greatly dissappointed that 'Pac left his core message for that of Gangsta Rap. His interviews at the time was still positive, talking about youth softball and basketball leagues, starting a new Black political party, and unity between black and brown, but his CDs went from community uplifting, women praising and revolution, including violence against cops and President Bush 41, to violence against his enemies, who were Black, and calling women hoes and bitches, and revenge. Though is was only the last 9 months of his life. His first 5 years of his career, he was the positive 'Pac who was the most dangerous rapper since Ice Cube went solo, even more dangerous than Ice Cube in that he truly had Black America in the palms of his hands. 'Pac destroyed himself in the end, and in that, he was the ultimate reflection of young Black America in the early 90's. The older generation that marched in the 60's was too old to raise his generation, and the generation that shortly followed was too cracked out from the CIA selling crack to the innercities that 'Pac's generation was left to raise themselves. 'Pac, like most artist, was not the cause of the problem, they were the reflection of the problem. A crackhead mom, mixed with a Black Panther upbringing, being spoiled well attending one of the best preforming arts schools in the nation, to being homeless at 17 because he had to leave his home situation, to being afraid of calling women names and being frustrated because he couldn't get a date because he was too nice, to being falsely convicted of rape. 'Pac was a living contradiction, and in that, he reflected young Black America in every which way, and now we are only left to ask, what if?
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What 'Pac was is a reflection of reality. He was a product more that he was anything else, and he was well aware of it. He would have been very dangerous had me matured. Remember, at 25, when 'Pac died, MALCOLM WAS A PIMP. He was a criminal, and 'Pac was headed down the same path.
Even though that's a could be/would be story, you've got a good point there. I was really surprised watching that first video you posted; it really did change some of my view on 2pac. Strange thing is, this side of Pac was never really given proper attention. Either he didn't look for that himself, or it just wasn't given to him.
Problem is, Tupac could in no way contradict himself more. The difference between Malcolm as a youngster and Tupac as a younger, is that Malcolm wasn't publicly preaching violence. Tupac is one of the most (in)famous gangsta rappers, talking to the world about killing niggers. So how can he do that, and at the same time preach for black unity?
At least Malcolm had a change of heart - that's where his story began: in prison, when he converted to Islam and started educating himself. Malcolm changed over time. But Tupac chose for people to idolize him for whole different reasons... Reasons that actually oppose his own words here. Wouldn't that make it impossible for him to be the next coming of Malcolm, because of the hypocritical and contradictory way Tupac exposed himself to the masses?
I agree, once 'Pac joined Tha Row, I was a hardcore 2Pac fan, and I found myself greatly dissappointed that 'Pac left his core message for that of Gangsta Rap. His interviews at the time was still positive, talking about youth softball and basketball leagues, starting a new Black political party, and unity between black and brown, but his CDs went from community uplifting, women praising and revolution, including violence against cops and President Bush 41, to violence against his enemies, who were Black, and calling women hoes and bitches, and revenge. Though is was only the last 9 months of his life. His first 5 years of his career, he was the positive 'Pac who was the most dangerous rapper since Ice Cube went solo, even more dangerous than Ice Cube in that he truly had Black America in the palms of his hands. 'Pac destroyed himself in the end, and in that, he was the ultimate reflection of young Black America in the early 90's. The older generation that marched in the 60's was too old to raise his generation, and the generation that shortly followed was too cracked out from the CIA selling crack to the innercities that 'Pac's generation was left to raise themselves. 'Pac, like most artist, was not the cause of the problem, they were the reflection of the problem. A crackhead mom, mixed with a Black Panther upbringing, being spoiled well attending one of the best preforming arts schools in the nation, to being homeless at 17 because he had to leave his home situation, to being afraid of calling women names and being frustrated because he couldn't get a date because he was too nice, to being falsely convicted of rape. 'Pac was a living contradiction, and in that, he reflected young Black America in every which way, and now we are only left to ask, what if?
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Damn, You Summed It Up Nicely, Mayne!!!
propss!
+1
Blu!
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It's just a fuckin' beat. It's not like 2Pac was rapping in the background.