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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on March 25, 2007, 10:07:56 PM
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There's no flow to this album, beats is blande. Artists don't fit the beats. It looks good on paper, one of the biggest producers out there, star-stuffed guestlist... But shit didn't mold into an album that I'll be listening to. It's trying to be too many genres at once, but the songs aren't good enough to pull it off.
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the album is cool but nothing special i expected way more out of Timbaland.
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the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
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the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
Word. I dont know how we would ever get out street cred back if we listened to this wack pop shit.
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Gotta commend Timbo for trying new and fresh ideas on this album, but it's nowhere near a classic and some of the beats are just fucking wierd.
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It sounds generic to me. If this is the future of music, I'd better throw away my radio right now.
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Ok, so back on topic. I think this cd aint for everybody, which is normal, since the sound is quite experimental. For me theres not one weak track, the sound is just so fresh, not that same old "rap albums these days" scheme.
Who knows, maybe Im just getting tired of rap.
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Ok, so back on topic. I think this cd aint for everybody, which is normal, since the sound is quite experimental. For me theres not one weak track, the sound is just so fresh, not that same old "rap albums these days" scheme.
Who knows, maybe Im just getting tired of rap.
I think the problem is...the majority of people listening will be listening on their PCs and headphones....this isnt that kind of album...i wasnt feeling it much yesterday but i've played it twice today...
Once in the car
Once in the house on my system
and the verdict is?!?!?
It is MILES better like this, its unique in that it seems to compliment moods and things your doing, i really dont think you can apprecaite the sonics and the ambience on many of the tracks on a PC or headphones or even iPod...
im not the biggest timbo fan, he's dropped some good stuff this year and some bad, much as he has throughout his career but in terms of listening to JUST this album alone its really quite good if you get to apprecaite it in the right way...
give it a try! :)
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^^ That might be a good idea, although I generally hate any album that I can't normally listen to, but it seems worth a try. And who cares if one CDR is wasted :D
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Yes it does, it sucks ass.
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the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
Word. I dont know how we would ever get out street cred back if we listened to this wack pop shit.
Somebody catching feelings.
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Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
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E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
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Timbo gave his best beats to JT and Nelly Furtado
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E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
LOL put him in high heels Rik.
I agree with The Leak. And I think Timbs beats been soundin like sum wierd Moby techno type shit its funny how all these dudes jumped on tims dick.
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There's about 6 songs im not feeling much, but theres about 6 that are super tight... Kill Yourself is my shit!! The track with Elton John is tight as hell.. That eletronic joint "Way I Are" is hot too.. not really feeling the rock joints, or the song with dre..
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Looks like almost noone is feeling that track with Dre. Am I the only one who think that song's dope as fuck?
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Timbo gave his best beats to Aaliyah and Ginuwine
fixed
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The Way I See It?
I Got Dogg Chit\Red Gone Wild\Buck The World
To Listen To Dont Need No Wack Ass Timbaland Album
That Shit With JT AND DRE Made Me Sick!!!!
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E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Yes it does. So let me guess. Youre one of those guys that hears a pop/rnb song in the club and starts mean muging and saying "fuck these pop clowns b, Tray D is a triple OG"
Explain to me how is this homosexual ? Because it has records that cater to women ? Yeah, thats gay as fuck.
If anything is homosexual is these rappers dissing other rappers by saying "suck my dick."
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E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Yes it does. So let me guess. Youre one of those guys that hears a pop/rnb song in the club and starts mean muging and saying "fuck these pop clowns b, Tray D is a triple OG"
Explain to me how is this homosexual ? Because it has records that cater to women ? Yeah, thats gay as fuck.
If anything is homosexual is these rappers dissing other rappers by saying "suck my dick."
Yeah, you described me perfectly in the first line. Homie you have no idea what I listen to. I like all kinds of music, but this is garbage. Pop sucks homie, it sucks.
So if this record caters to women and a man likes it, you don't think that's gay?
Just admit it, Timbo could have been talking about sticking is dick in some other dudes ass the whole album and you would have loved it.
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Pretty much yeah, because with an Timbaland album Im not looking for some deep lyrics, Im rating the beats and the way the album flows. This album is perfect for you stereo or the clubs.
I have nothing againts people not liking this album, its just that some people wont even give it a chance or are on that whole "fuck that pop shit." They made up their mind about this as soon as they saw the tracklisting.
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I don't think it's anything new. I've heard music like this coming out of Europe for years (my bro used to be into that kind of stuff). I think Timbaland is just bringing it to a new audience. He's throwing Pop, Hip Hop, R&B, and Rock old and new all in a pot and mixing it up. I think it came out cool. He was more successful at it than other producers. There's a lot of creativity and new sounds on this album, thats what makes me like it.
Just wait till Top 40 Radio gets a hold of "Apologize".
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I don't think it's anything new. I've heard music like this coming out of Europe for years (my bro used to be into that kind of stuff). I think Timbaland is just bringing it to a new audience. He's throwing Pop, Hip Hop, R&B, and Rock old and new all in a pot and mixing it up. I think it came out cool. He was more successful at it than other producers. There's a lot of creativity and new sounds on this album, thats what makes me like it.
Just wait till Top 40 Radio gets a hold of "Apologize".
LOL haven't heard it yet, but the title just reminds me of the south park episode that just came out where stans dad had to ' 'Pologize' to jesse jackson
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the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
lol, true, but imma still gonna give it a try
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Just admit it, Timbo could have been talking about sticking is dick in some other dudes ass the whole album and you would have loved it.
Pretty much yeah
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Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
what? i listen to ALOT of music, probably more than you could comprehend kid thats why this weak ass attempt at being diverse makes me laugh. timbo should stick to making beats for rappers and r&b singers. smarten up
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I thought after a few listens it wasnt terrible but I was feeling some of the shit on it. I liked the first few tracks anf thought the beats were kinda dope and creative but it becomes a little to club sounding for my taste and gets worse as it goes along.
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Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
what? i listen to ALOT of music, probably more than you could comprehend kid thats why this weak ass attempt at being diverse makes me laugh. timbo should stick to making beats for rappers and r&b singers. smarten up
I'm not hating on TTK when i say this...but I do feel (i have not listened to the record yet, but just based on the artists i saw listed) that there were more artists of a higher caliber from other genres he could have worked with. elton john is good, i like him...but she wants revenge and the hives are flash in the pans, i'm familiar with both groups and something like the mars volta, Metric, or LCD soundsystem would have been way more cutting edge and diverse. problem is, timbo (same with dre to an extent) doesn't demand anything stylistically pre-requisite wise of anyone anymore. he just demands that you be a huge seller for him to consider fucking with you.which is really unfortunate. he's not trying to blow up new artists, he's tryna fuck with artists from all over the board that sell well.
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
-T
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
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Nah man. I was listening to Mobb Deep The Infamous the other week, and that was really enjoyable, but after a few tracks it got boring to me. I used to be a big fan of Onyx, but in other words:I loved GRODT when it came out gangstarap at first, but I became smarter :)
Fixed! ;)
On the real though, a couple years ago gangsta rap was really cool to me (cool being precisely the right word). I just grew out of it, because the content is meaningless to me. Metaphorical violence (Wu-Tang, Nas, etc) is an exception to this rule, but in general I'm peace-loving :)
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
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Nah man. I was listening to Mobb Deep The Infamous the other week, and that was really enjoyable, but after a few tracks it got boring to me. I used to be a big fan of Onyx, but in other words:I loved GRODT when it came out gangstarap at first, but I became smarter :)
Fixed! ;)
On the real though, a couple years ago gangsta rap was really cool to me (cool being precisely the right word). I just grew out of it, because the content is meaningless to me. Metaphorical violence (Wu-Tang, Nas, etc) is an exception to this rule, but in general I'm peace-loving :)
I'm peace loving too, which is why art to me, is a perfectly valid medium in which to express such violence you know? and honestly, gangsta rap is just s well produced in comparison to alot of other rap to me. alot of other rap is rap/hip hop. gangsta rap is more like an extension of funk, so it's like more musical to me, it has more in common with the rock i've listened to the for the last 5 years than the other rap i observe i guess. it's just so musical, i ignore the content and revel in how smoothly it's delivered. but i feel you
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I'm peace loving too, which is why art to me, is a perfectly valid medium in which to express such violence you know? and honestly, gangsta rap is just s well produced in comparison to alot of other rap to me. alot of other rap is rap/hip hop. gangsta rap is more like an extension of funk, so it's like more musical to me, it has more in common with the rock i've listened to the for the last 5 years than the other rap i observe i guess. it's just so musical, i ignore the content and revel in how smoothly it's delivered. but i feel you
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I see where you're coming from, but I'm a lyrics man! I'll listen to any kind of music if it's lyrically appealing to me. Gangsta tales just don't do it for me, while most generally acceptable genres (pop, jazz, folk, rnb, ...) do. Which explains why I have an old folk singer in my avatar... :D
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Elvez, pardon me but to me
the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
this is not dissagreing with me, its naming idiotic reasons to why the albums is bad. Now, the same poster, gave a more reasonable and detailed anwser as to why he thinks the album sucks. Before it looked like he was just plain hating, without even having heard the music. All Im looking for is a legitmate reason as to why you dont or dolike something
I am stereotyping ? Ive had my share of being stereotyped myself.
And about you not liking Shock Value, well thats no shocker. I could tell 6 months before release date that you wont like it, simply because Timbo blew into this mega popular sound and had all these famous artits on it. I bet if he had only Magoo, Sebastian and Missy on it, with same lyrics and beats, you'd like it. Because then there would be no 4 page threads about it and it would be "cool" to like it. Afterall you did say Magoo and Sebastian are better than Jay-z, Snoop Dogg and Lil Wayne, lol. Guess Im just stereotyping again.
But tell me this. Why dont you like the cd ? Beats ? Lyrics ?
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Elvez, pardon me but to me the tracks dont even look cool on paper they look like a homosexual picnic of weak pop artists
this is not dissagreing with me, its naming idiotic reasons to why the albums is bad. Now, the same poster, gave a more reasonable and detailed anwser as to why he thinks the album sucks. Before it looked like he was just plain hating, without even having heard the music. All Im looking for is a legitmate reason as to why you dont or dolike something
He never said he dislikes the album because it looks bad on paper...
And about you not liking Shock Value, well thats no shocker. I could tell 6 months before release date that you wont like it, simply because Timbo blew into this mega popular sound and had all these famous artits on it. I bet if he had only Magoo, Sebastian and Missy on it, with same lyrics and beats, you'd like it. Because then there would be no 4 page threads about it and it would be "cool" to like it. Afterall you did say Magoo and Sebastian are better than Jay-z, Snoop Dogg and Lil Wayne, lol.
LMAO. I can't believe you're putting me in that corner... Let me just find that quote back, because you're taking shit wayyyyy out of context. Me no like that.
Sebastian and Attitude do what they do. They're not great rappers, but they're perfectly suited for filling up those empty spots for 16's. Now if Timmy got Snoop, Wayne and Jay for his album, that would be suspicious. Like he can't rap well enough himself, so he had to get some all-star rappers to give his album some shine. Inviting these big names for your album is played out anyway.
And just personally, I'm more fiending for some new rhymes from Sebastian or Attitude, than hearing a new verse from Snoop.
That's right. The formula of Timbaland working with Sebastian, Attitude and Missy for his own albums worked well in the past. They're not great rappers, but they do perfectly fit Timbaland's (old?) style. They spit raps that don't take the focus away from the beats too much. After all, with Timbaland, it's always about the sound as a whole - never about lyricism on its own. And that's cool, but you don't need to put Jay-Z or Snoop on your payroll for that, when Sebastian and Attitude might do it just as nicely, or perhaps even better. Jay-Z and Snoop are way too charismatic and way too big to fulfill such a small role. It would be a waste of the money, and a pathetic attempt to attract a wider audience to the album.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ATTITUDE IS A BETTER RAPPER THAN SNOOP DOGG...
Jesus Christ, seriously Meho, how little do you know about me, when you're pulling these judgements out of your ass? How little do you know about my taste in music, and the decisions I make about what I like and what not? Now check this:
I listen to a great lot of jazz music. It's generally considered corny, but I love it. The 50's had a great bunch of excellent musicians. The new era of jazz is really enjoyable too. How cool is that for a 20 year old to listen to?
I listen to folk, big band, rock and roll, all of that. It's rather dusty, but I enjoy it. How cool is that?
My favorite artist is Boudewijn de Groot. He's a 66 year old Dutch folk singer. He used to sing about his rebellious communist beliefs, but nowadays he's more into the romantic views on life. How cool is that?
To top that all off, there's a few rappers that I frequently listen to. They're not exactly the coolest gangsters, but A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, The Roots, Common and Mos Def make good music. I bet just about anyone in here can second me on that.
You should really ask the Dutch posters on this forum this one thing. How cool do they think this pop/rock band Blof is? Yes indeed, it is extremely corny, but I enjoy most of their music.
Do I give a shit about the image of any fucking artist? Fuck no. If Timbaland can please me with a new album, that's great. I know I've enjoyed his albums in the past; at one point Under Construction II was my shit, because it put me in a certain mood. That's all I'm asking of Timbaland.
And you say Shock Value? After listening to it once, I'm not impressed at all. Mediocrity rules I guess, but it just ain't for me. The vibe isn't there - it's more of the same pop sound we've heard plenty of lately. I haven't nearly paid enough attention to it to be able to properly judge the lyrics, but the sound on a whole wasn't as much of a "classic experience" as it could have been.
Guess Im just stereotyping again.
Well, at least you got ONE thing right..!
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we should have organized debate, with me, elevz, jrome, and timbo. would be the shit.
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There's no flow to this album, beats is blande. Artists don't fit the beats. It looks good on paper, one of the biggest producers out there, star-stuffed guestlist... But shit didn't mold into an album that I'll be listening to. It's trying to be too many genres at once, but the songs aren't good enough to pull it off.
Saw that coming a mile away...
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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the album title says it all, Timbo tried to shock people with these weird beats and I guess he did
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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yeah man, why is your karma so low, u seem like a cool dude, u obviously know your music n whatever, people jus hatin?
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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yeah man, why is your karma so low, u seem like a cool dude, u obviously know your music n whatever, people jus hatin?
-i ask alot of questions
-not only do I avoid dissing people, I intervene when other people are dissing each other. i should stop that i suppose.
-I am into a gang of different shit, and don't believe that hip hop is the best/only real genre and that's the perspective I come from and people don't like that
-I'm a hippie and people watch too much south park
i think those are the main reasons additional to me constantly playing devils advocate
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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yeah man, why is your karma so low, u seem like a cool dude, u obviously know your music n whatever, people jus hatin?
+1
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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yeah man, why is your karma so low, u seem like a cool dude, u obviously know your music n whatever, people jus hatin?
+1
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thanks, +1 for u too
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
-T
Nah man. I was listening to Mobb Deep The Infamous the other week, and that was really enjoyable, but after a few tracks it got boring to me. I used to be a big fan of Onyx, but in other words:I loved GRODT when it came out gangstarap at first, but I became smarter :)
Fixed! ;)
On the real though, a couple years ago gangsta rap was really cool to me (cool being precisely the right word). I just grew out of it, because the content is meaningless to me. Metaphorical violence (Wu-Tang, Nas, etc) is an exception to this rule, but in general I'm peace-loving :)
lol metaphorical violence. no wu tang really did bang on people in their projects and just about everywhere
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
-T
Nah man. I was listening to Mobb Deep The Infamous the other week, and that was really enjoyable, but after a few tracks it got boring to me. I used to be a big fan of Onyx, but in other words:I loved GRODT when it came out gangstarap at first, but I became smarter :)
Fixed! ;)
On the real though, a couple years ago gangsta rap was really cool to me (cool being precisely the right word). I just grew out of it, because the content is meaningless to me. Metaphorical violence (Wu-Tang, Nas, etc) is an exception to this rule, but in general I'm peace-loving :)
lol metaphorical violence. no wu tang really did bang on people in their projects and just about everywhere
he just means the lyrics. however much they banged, they probably weren't quite swinging wu tang shaolin swords through navels. unless you wanna take that as a metaphor for a shank
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Now, TTK, you're a cool dude and all, but there's one thing that needs to stop. The way you use stereotypes on people is ridiculous...
Catching feelings ? More like laughing at thugged out people on the internet, who only listen to gangsta rap and think any other genre is "homo". I have no problem with someone saying its wack but to say that because it has "homosexual pop shit", well now thats e-banging at its finest.
E-banging? How you figure? So now saying that a gay ass cd is gay makes you an internet thug. I'd like for you yo explain to me how you came to that conclusion. Face it, the cd is some homosexual pop shit.
Now. Let me tell you this: You're posting in the OUTBOUND SECTIONS. Just about no one here comes to discuss gangsta rap only (as opposed to some people on the westcoast board), and that should tell you something. And it shows from the discussions people have here; plenty of people openly display a variety in tastes. So when they disagree with you, why do you necessarily feel like they never even gave the album a fair shot? Can't someone legitimately disagree with you?
I enjoy Timbaland's older albums, I listen to a variety of other musical genres and in fact I don't listen to any gangsta rap at all. But guess what? To me, Shock Value wasn't good.
No gangsta rap? Aw man. ;)
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Nah man. I was listening to Mobb Deep The Infamous the other week, and that was really enjoyable, but after a few tracks it got boring to me. I used to be a big fan of Onyx, but in other words:I loved GRODT when it came out gangstarap at first, but I became smarter :)
Fixed! ;)
On the real though, a couple years ago gangsta rap was really cool to me (cool being precisely the right word). I just grew out of it, because the content is meaningless to me. Metaphorical violence (Wu-Tang, Nas, etc) is an exception to this rule, but in general I'm peace-loving :)
I don't really consider Mobb Deep as gangster rap. More like hardcore rap.
Do you like Redman or Erick Sermon? Isn't as hardcore as the Mobb but hella dope none the less.
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Just my two cents. The album is a good album musically. For a hip-hop album, it is very dissapointing. This should be classified as a pop album. I didn't really feel the album at all just becaus it just isn't my style. I guess for me the expectations were set too high for the album.
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i thought the album was going to be good, but damn, its just to much "radio"-vibe over it..i think i like the just timerlake album more :P
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to me:
Put you on the game was fiyaaaa
Nelly album was veery good (bangin single)
JT album was ok... (good singles)
I was bangin Give it to me waitin 4 Shock Value
then i heard track with Hives i thinks its leftover but its one of few good tracks of the album ( Way i Are, Give it to me, Release)
and its a shame....
I got love for Timbo for Bubba 2 albums , and Poeple Lika Myself track from Timbo and Magoo old album
but....
Its sad to say but Shock Value is Wack As Fuck :(
and i want old timbo back :)
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Elvez, you can flip it however you want to but you basically said that you'd rather hear Magoo and Sebastian over these beats than Snoop and Jay. Now lets say that doesnt automatically mean that M,S>> S,Jay but still you reasoning as to why you would rather hear that is just plain silly. Because wheter its 5 bars or 30 the odds are very, very high that Snoop and Jay would rip it better than fucking Magoo and Sebastian.
Now, you say you dont like this sounds, its too "pop". Well, Timbaland never had street music or some gangsta shit, its just happened that his sounds is "in" right now. But to me its not even a question that Timbaland has completley stepped his game up. He even said it himself that when he started working with Danja, he took it to another level.
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True, Timbo's stepped his game up massively. This is still an album more for the masses, and if this doesn't go plat nothing will.
However, the real test of how good it is will come if and when other producers start to emulate his new sound.
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Elvez, you can flip it however you want to but you basically said that you'd rather hear Magoo and Sebastian over these beats than Snoop and Jay.
Correctemundo.
Now lets say that doesnt automatically mean that M,S>> S,Jay but still you reasoning as to why you would rather hear that is just plain silly. Because wheter its 5 bars or 30 the odds are very, very high that Snoop and Jay would rip it better than fucking Magoo and Sebastian.
Read again:The formula of Timbaland working with Sebastian, Attitude and Missy for his own albums worked well in the past. They're not great rappers, but they do perfectly fit Timbaland's (old?) style. They spit raps that don't take the focus away from the beats too much. After all, with Timbaland, it's always about the sound as a whole - never about lyricism on its own. And that's cool, but you don't need to put Jay-Z or Snoop on your payroll for that, when Sebastian and Attitude might do it just as nicely, or perhaps even better. Jay-Z and Snoop are way too charismatic and way too big to fulfill such a small role. It would be a waste of the money, and a pathetic attempt to attract a wider audience to the album.
I don't want anyone ripping any verse on Timbaland's albums. Things just gotta sound good, that's all.
Now, you say you dont like this sounds, its too "pop".
You couldn't be more wrong. You're giving me the impression you never even read my posts before you replied... If you can quote me on calling Tmmy's new style "too pop", go ahead. But really, you're talking out of your ass again.
Well, Timbaland never had street music or some gangsta shit, its just happened that his sounds is "in" right now. But to me its not even a question that Timbaland has completley stepped his game up. He even said it himself that when he started working with Danja, he took it to another level.
Once again, back to my post:
How little do you know about my taste in music, and the decisions I make about what I like and what not? Now check this:
I listen to a great lot of jazz music. It's generally considered corny, but I love it. The 50's had a great bunch of excellent musicians. The new era of jazz is really enjoyable too. How cool is that for a 20 year old to listen to?
I listen to folk, big band, rock and roll, all of that. It's rather dusty, but I enjoy it. How cool is that?
My favorite artist is Boudewijn de Groot. He's a 66 year old Dutch folk singer. He used to sing about his rebellious communist beliefs, but nowadays he's more into the romantic views on life. How cool is that?
To top that all off, there's a few rappers that I frequently listen to. They're not exactly the coolest gangsters, but A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, The Roots, Common and Mos Def make good music. I bet just about anyone in here can second me on that.
You should really ask the Dutch posters on this forum this one thing. How cool do they think this pop/rock band Blof is? Yes indeed, it is extremely corny, but I enjoy most of their music.
Do I give a shit about the image of any fucking artist? Fuck no. If Timbaland can please me with a new album, that's great. I know I've enjoyed his albums in the past; at one point Under Construction II was my shit, because it put me in a certain mood. That's all I'm asking of Timbaland.
Read that over a couple times, maybe you'll finally get it. I couldn't care less how popular his sound might be. I liked that Nelly Furtado joint he did, "All Good Things Come To An End". That was good, and it couldn't be more pop, but it was good to me. Now remember, I never said Shock Value was all bad, but it does little to move me.
Let me ask you this. Why are so you concerned with the popularity and image of an artist anyway? Can't you just be you, and like whatever you like, without having to worry about all of that? Is the image others have of you and the music you listen to really that important to you? Can't you maintain an identity without having to resort to your music to define you?
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Let it grow on them bro..
IMO, Hip-Hop has been shit latley.
I came across this album & had the Opp to sample it
& I pesonaly liked it alot. & true shit spoken "This album has to be played @ High Volume"
it's not iPod'ish, IMO It's Club Shit, Car Shit.
I wanna hear this in the club, when I'm Drunk/High as Fuck hand in hand with a chick
heading somewhere to do something.
Not a fan of all the track's, but liked enough of them to write something...lol
I'll cop it tho, just for these.
"Release" head Nodder for sure, It grow's on you.
"The way I are" it's like some Star War's Shit, It's What "Han Solo" bump's in the Millennium Falcon
"Bounce" Come on, We all expected some blow my ear drum's type of shit when we saw Timbo/Dre collab on paper.
We need to get out of that mode, we expect way to much when we see Dre's name attatched to something.
personaly I like the Track, Missy tear's it up. Any fan of Egyption Lover will like this song.
"Come & get Me" Was the hit repeat track for me...
Bumped it 3 times in a row back to back during my first listen. It is what it is. I like the 50/Timbo collab.
"Oh Timbaland" I looked like a Chicken bro, trying to keep up with the tempo with head nodd's..."Yeah"
"Give it to me" This one is growing on me as of yesterday, danm! Imagine If my homies find out :-\
Sofar, those are the join't on the album, IMO.
Maybe it's just me, But as an older Since the start of this Hip-Hop shit listener..
I have grown tired of all that gansta shit (Been there done That), I still like it. But I can't eat Mc Donald's everyday.
The album is what it is..
"Fuck it" bump it in secret so you still retain your "[/Quote]STREET CRED[/Quote]"
I won't tell anyone, I promise.
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The vibe isn't there - it's more of the same pop sound we've heard plenty of lately
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I don't want anyone ripping any verse on Timbaland's albums. Things just gotta sound good, that's all.
Now thats just wrong.
Let me ask you this. Why are so you concerned with the popularity and image of an artist anyway? Can't you just be you, and like whatever you like, without having to worry about all of that? Is the image others have of you and the music you listen to really that important to you? Can't you maintain an identity without having to resort to your music to define you?
Where the hell did you get that idea? Im the last person on this planet that cares about what other people think.
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The vibe isn't there - it's more of the same pop sound we've heard plenty of lately
How refreshing is the sound of this album, compared to the other stuff Timbaland did over the past two years? It's the very same pop sound we've heard over and over again. Now show me, where did I condemn pop sounds in general? Because that's what you're accusing me of, and it's something I never said. That's you talking out of your ass (again).
I don't want anyone ripping any verse on Timbaland's albums. Things just gotta sound good, that's all.
Now thats just wrong.
Thanks for calling my opinion wrong. I appreciate that. ::)
Since you're having such a hard time reading the explanation I gave before, let me break it down for you once more.
Timbaland's beats (generally) speak for themselves.
Timbaland's music is (generally) for those easy listening moments, when you just want to hear some music and enjoy it, regardless of what standards any critic might put up. It's cool music made to enjoy, not to criticize or overrationalize.
So?
So Timbaland doesn't need a critically acclaimed lyricist, or a big star to back him up. Timbaland's music (generally) speaks for itself.
So?
So Timbaland doesn't need Jay-Z and Snoop Dogg to overcharge the music with their charisma and wordplay. What Timbaland (generally) needs is some laid back rappers who actually support the music, instead of having the music to support them. You see the difference?
So?
So considering this purpose, on his own albums Timbaland would be generally better off with Attitude and Magoo, instead of Snoop Dogg and Jay-Z.
Let me ask you this. Why are so you concerned with the popularity and image of an artist anyway? Can't you just be you, and like whatever you like, without having to worry about all of that? Is the image others have of you and the music you listen to really that important to you? Can't you maintain an identity without having to resort to your music to define you?
Where the hell did you get that idea? Im the last person on this planet that cares about what other people think.
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but you seem to be catching feelings about the thoughts of others. You're so sensitive when it comes to other people's opinions, you discredit their thoughts based on irrational assumptions. Anyone who disagrees with you is either a hater, or an ignorant backpacker, or perhaps a combination of the two. You tell others why they dislike certain artists: like everyone cares how popular a certain artist is, or how cool the underground is. You say people are biased because of all these conceptions, and that it highly influences their actual behavior (in this case, their taste in music). That's you, talking to other people. Accusing them.
If you really didn't care what other people think of you, why do you keep making such a fuss out of your thoughts on others?
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Again, you can flip and sugar code as much as you want but to say you'd rather hear "good enough" rhymes instead of better lyrics is just wrong.
Lol, I am calling people haters ? Please, you have absoulutley no idea what youre talking about. If anything Ive been called a groupie or hater here numerous times.
I am making a fuss out of it ? Lol, now youre talking out of your ass. Whos writing esseys to my 3 sentence replys ? Get the fuck out of here. Your better than that.
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Let it grow on them bro..
IMO, Hip-Hop has been shit latley.
I came across this album & had the Opp to sample it
& I pesonaly liked it alot. & true shit spoken "This album has to be played @ High Volume"
it's not iPod'ish, IMO It's Club Shit, Car Shit.
I wanna hear this in the club, when I'm Drunk/High as Fuck hand in hand with a chick
heading somewhere to do something.
Not a fan of all the track's, but liked enough of them to write something...lol
I'll cop it tho, just for these.
"Release" head Nodder for sure, It grow's on you.
"The way I are" it's like some Star War's Shit, It's What "Han Solo" bump's in the Millennium Falcon
"Bounce" Come on, We all expected some blow my ear drum's type of shit when we saw Timbo/Dre collab on paper.
We need to get out of that mode, we expect way to much when we see Dre's name attatched to something.
personaly I like the Track, Missy tear's it up. Any fan of Egyption Lover will like this song.
"Come & get Me" Was the hit repeat track for me...
Bumped it 3 times in a row back to back during my first listen. It is what it is. I like the 50/Timbo collab.
"Oh Timbaland" I looked like a Chicken bro, trying to keep up with the tempo with head nodd's..."Yeah"
"Give it to me" This one is growing on me as of yesterday, danm! Imagine If my homies find out :-\
Sofar, those are the join't on the album, IMO.
Maybe it's just me, But as an older Since the start of this Hip-Hop shit listener..
I have grown tired of all that gansta shit (Been there done That), I still like it. But I can't eat Mc Donald's everyday.
The album is what it is..
"Fuck it" bump it in secret so you still retain your "
STREET CRED[/Quote]"
I won't tell anyone, I promise.
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truth homie
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by the way this album is hella inconsistant, but the heaters are REALLY heated imo...i cannot hate on timbaland for doing this, his more relevant that just hiphop for more than a minute so this album is pretty universal with its sound...i like it, not fully, but i think the first joint and the last joint are amazing for example....even that the way i are joint has grown on me
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Uh, I just so happen to have won the debating championship at the university just last week. I'm in an indestructable mood, so come and try me ;)
Wouldn't that be kinda unfair though, to have three people getting at poor TTK? ;)
nah, it wouldn't be all of us against one person. there'd be different debates. we'd pair up. i agree with timbo on some stuff, just like I disagree with him on some stuff. but you know as well as the next man that you gotta be able to play devil's advocate. that's actually what I do for the most part here, hence my karma
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yeah man, why is your karma so low, u seem like a cool dude, u obviously know your music n whatever, people jus hatin?
-i ask alot of questions
-not only do I avoid dissing people, I intervene when other people are dissing each other. i should stop that i suppose.
-I am into a gang of different shit, and don't believe that hip hop is the best/only real genre and that's the perspective I come from and people don't like that
-I'm a hippie and people watch too much south park
i think those are the main reasons additional to me constantly playing devils advocate
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hahaha, thats some funny shit....could be true you never know, but it would be funny if someone kept dissin you simply because you had alot of question!
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Oh, I'm sorry for explaining myself to you. In the future, I might as well let you go ahead and spread false assumptions around. Just remember, I'm not the first one on my hind legs, trying to defend Timbaland from people who don't automatically like everything he puts out, trying to discredit the 'haters'. That's you.
All that I'm doing here, is trying to talk some sense in you. Yrying to show you I just want to have my opinion respected, instead of being labelled as "ignorant backpacker bullshit - doesn't know what he's talking about - dismissed".
Get your facts straight, maybe then we'll jump into another fair discussion, but this shit you're pulling now is a no-no.
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Oh, I'm sorry for explaining myself to you. In the future, I might as well let you go ahead and spread false assumptions around. Just remember, I'm not the first one on my hind legs, trying to defend Timbaland from people who don't automatically like everything he puts out, trying to discredit the 'haters'. That's you.
All that I'm doing here, is trying to talk some sense in you. Yrying to show you I just want to have my opinion respected, instead of being labelled as "ignorant backpacker bullshit - doesn't know what he's talking about - dismissed".
Get your facts straight, maybe then we'll jump into another fair discussion, but this shit you're pulling now is a no-no.
Hold on now, your eating your own words. It was you that attacked me for making a fuss about this, I simply pointed out that your writting an "essay" on this topic.
Yrying to show you I just want to have my opinion respected,
Cmon man, we've known each other for a while now throught this internet thing and you should know by now that I do respect your opionion, taste in music... and I hope its vice versa.
instead of being labelled as "ignorant backpacker bullshit - doesn't know what he's talking about - dismissed".
You said that, I have never.
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ttk, I don't think elevz is saying he prefers mediocre rhymes. he means though jay z or snoop may be doper than magoo, magoo suits timbo's music more.
anyway, lyrical g, i think it's funny too but I see dudes flip out and get pissed about it all the time.
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ttk, I don't think elevz is saying he prefers mediocre rhymes. he means though jay z or snoop may be doper than magoo, magoo suits timbo's music more.
Why do I need a fucking essay to say something you manage to put in five words? ...lol props :)
Same to TTK: there's just no point, so props: we're cool!
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nas>lyricist than snoop.....but give me a snoop/dre album anyday over a nas/dre album....i see where elevz is coming from, but timbo makes some points too.......everyone be droppin some hella heated in depth debates on this forum recently!
haha
props muthafuckaz
SeeEEEEEEEn tWeEEEeEN nIgGGaZ
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nas>lyricist than snoop.....but give me a snoop/dre album anyday over a nas/dre album....i see where elevz is coming from, but timbo makes some points too.......everyone be droppin some hella heated in depth debates on this forum recently!
haha
props muthafuckaz
SeeEEEEEEEn tWeEEEeEN nIgGGaZ
hm, dre/nas record would be as dope as a snoop/dre record but for completely different reasons imo. but i definitely see what you're saying.
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people subconsciously associated the detox hype with the timbo album...maybe because Timbo's been killin it lately, a producers album with many features, or people got tired of waiting on critiquing Detox... so they just used those expectations of Detox to measure Timbos album by, imo.
just an idea for concern. ;)
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people subconsciously associated the detox hype with the timbo album...maybe because Timbo's been killin it lately, a producers album with many features, or people got tired of waiting on critiquing Detox... so they just used those expectations of Detox to measure Timbos album by, imo.
just an idea for concern. ;)
Uh, I see where you're coming from but nah, I listened to 3/4 of this timbo album last night and every song I heard is more than listenable but that's it. on a musical level nothing grabs or engages, or even addicts. just playable, danceable, listenable-not exceptional.
the first song is really dope though. will add more to my opinion when I've heard whole thing. i have a feeling elton john will be dope
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Oh, I'm sorry for explaining myself to you. In the future, I might as well let you go ahead and spread false assumptions around. Just remember, I'm not the first one on my hind legs, trying to defend Timbaland from people who don't automatically like everything he puts out, trying to discredit the 'haters'. That's you.
All that I'm doing here, is trying to talk some sense in you. Yrying to show you I just want to have my opinion respected, instead of being labelled as "ignorant backpacker bullshit - doesn't know what he's talking about - dismissed".
Get your facts straight, maybe then we'll jump into another fair discussion, but this shit you're pulling now is a no-no.
no offense and all, but i was reading your post..
why do you care if jay-z or snoop charge higher than magoo and sebastian? Timbo has the bank account. He gets a half mil per track.
And I honestly think you're wrong when it comes to their egos.. Snoop and Jay-Z both participated in the last Dr Dre album which is similar to Timbaland's album.. So they both have the ability to play small roles to a 'producer' album.
And just like Timbaland says in that song "I'm a producer.. youre just a piano man".. what Timbo is saying that he does more than just make beats and melodies.. He has an ear for the sound which includes the beats, melodies, the lyrics and the hooks. I think you have this idea that Timbaland just creates beats and then calls Jay-Z and says "hey, come rip this beat for me... Magoo can't flow like you".. Truth of the matter he has decides what lyrics and flows are to be on the album.. So if he wants a Snoop verse to outshine the beat, then that is 100% Timbaland's doing and creation. Which is the reason he said he was disappointed with the Jay-Z track not being ready for the album. It's not like he didnt have a jay-z verse, the verse wasn't done in the manner that Timbo wanted it to be to be finalized for the album.
On another note, i don't know how well Producer albums do without a constant circle of artists working with them. Dre had Eminem, Xzibit, Mel Man, Hittman in the studio with him for almost every track on Dre 2001. He had Snoop, Kurupt, Daz, J-Flexx, DOC etc in the studio with him every track for The Chronic.. Timbo has Danja but it would of been nice if he had some inhouse rappers and musicians to imulate the sound for the 'big names'.. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. None of us were in the studio.
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no offense and all
That's +1 already :D
why do you care if jay-z or snoop charge higher than magoo and sebastian? Timbo has the bank account. He gets a half mil per track.
It's not so much the money that I care about. If Timbaland could make a track better by putting a verse from an 'expensive rapper' on there, that's excellent. Bless him if he pulls out his wallet and goes to get that rapper for a hot 16!
And I honestly think you're wrong when it comes to their egos.. Snoop and Jay-Z both participated in the last Dr Dre album which is similar to Timbaland's album.. So they both have the ability to play small roles to a 'producer' album.
Also, it's not so much their ego's that's a possible problem to me. As long as they get paid, and as long as they're involved in huge projects, Snoop and jay will be good. I'm talking about a distinct difference in sound though...
Timmy's whole style used to be about making laid back, cool music. Nothing too hype - just really cool music. Back then, Dre's banger-style music was perfectly made for Snoop and Jay's work, but I don't think any Snoop verse around that time (1999) would have sounded as good on a Timbaland album as it did on 2001. That's not even necessarily because Dre was so far ahead of Timbaland, but the music was just different. Its not even about how big a rapper is - it's just the way these styles merge.
2007 is a different story though, because Timbaland seems to have lost that ambience he once had in his music. Him and Dre now both have evolved to a more universal sound, and the two are more comparable now. But we also remember the way Jay and Snoop sounded over Dre's latest beats, which by general consensus wasn't as impressive as it once would have been. On the other hand, Magoo, Attitude and Sebastian have never sounded bad on a Timbaland beat. Not until now. Have Dr. Dre and Timbaland outgrown their rappers? That's far from impossible. The rap in (popular?) hip-hop seems to be gone.
And just like Timbaland says in that song "I'm a producer.. youre just a piano man".. what Timbo is saying that he does more than just make beats and melodies.. He has an ear for the sound which includes the beats, melodies, the lyrics and the hooks. I think you have this idea that Timbaland just creates beats and then calls Jay-Z and says "hey, come rip this beat for me... Magoo can't flow like you".. Truth of the matter he has decides what lyrics and flows are to be on the album.. So if he wants a Snoop verse to outshine the beat, then that is 100% Timbaland's doing and creation. Which is the reason he said he was disappointed with the Jay-Z track not being ready for the album. It's not like he didnt have a jay-z verse, the verse wasn't done in the manner that Timbo wanted it to be to be finalized for the album.
That's very likely indeed, and that most likely is the reason why in the end Timbaland did put his own people on the album. He knew they would sound good, and possibly even better than Jay-Z, without being better rappers than Jay-Z.
On another note, i don't know how well Producer albums do without a constant circle of artists working with them. Dre had Eminem, Xzibit, Mel Man, Hittman in the studio with him for almost every track on Dre 2001. He had Snoop, Kurupt, Daz, J-Flexx, DOC etc in the studio with him every track for The Chronic.. Timbo has Danja but it would of been nice if he had some inhouse rappers and musicians to imulate the sound for the 'big names'.. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. None of us were in the studio.
True, but we know he's worked with Magoo and them often before! They may have stayed around while Timbaland was crafting up his Shock Value. Indeed, we don't know.