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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: MIAMI4LIFE on April 04, 2007, 02:58:45 PM
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http://hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news06598
April 4, 2007
Timbaland is ready to step out from his producer’s chair for a new solo album, which could just put him at #1 next week, according to reports from our crack-addled retail reporting network.
The much-in-demand hip-hop producer’s new Mosley Music Group/ Blackground / Interscope album, Timbaland Presents Shock Value, will challenge for the top spot on next week’s chart with a total approaching 140k, which should put it neck-and-cowboy hat with Tim McGraw for #1.
Three divas, one country, the others pop and R&B, could profit from strong Easter sales to challenge the two guys. SBMG Nashville chanteuse Martina McBride’s latest, Waking up Laughing, could have her doing just that next week, with a shot at 120k. Hollywood Records’ Hilary Duff is all grown up on Dignity, which is also heading towards 120k . Finally, Beyonce releases a deluxe version of her hit Music World/Columbia/CRG album, B’day, which should add 100-110k to her total, featuring the hot new duet with Shakira, “Beautiful Liar.”
Asylum rapper Paul Wall appears to be all up in your grill with an estimated first-week total of 80-90k for the Houston hip-hop star with the gold teeth’s aptly titled Get Money, Stay True album
Mercury Nashville’s Live at Texas Stadium, featuring country superstars Alan Jackson, George Strait and Jimmy Buffett, looks to be in the 50-55k range, the same total for bluegrass star Alison Krauss’ greatest hits album for Rounder, A Hundred Miles or More: A Collection
RCA’s southern rock critical darlings Kings of Leon return with the acclaimed Because of the Times, which seems headed for an impressive 40-45k in first-week sales.
Next Tuesday’s (4/10) releases include Cassadaga, the eagerly anticipated new album from Bright Eyes phenom Conor Oberst, on Omaha indie Saddle Creek.
The market was up almost 5% vs. last week, down over 15% vs. same week last year and now down between 16-17% year-to-date.
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Damn thats low. He has a cahnce of pulling an Akon though.
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damn. Shocked at these numbers ???
especially since this album probably required a shit load of cash to make, this is probably gonna hurt a bit :-\
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Not surprised. A crappy / cheesy / predictable ass album flopping again. BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE TABLE AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED.
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Not surprised. A crappy / cheesy / predictable ass album flopping again. BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE TABLE AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED.
I ain't big on the album, but come on dude.
no doubt you know your hip-hop, but how you gonna say this ain't bringing nothin new 2 the table ???
this is like a mix of every genre wrapped in 1, and that shit don't happen no more
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Not surprised. A crappy / cheesy / predictable ass album flopping again. BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE TABLE AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED.
I ain't big on the album, but come on dude.
no doubt you know your hip-hop, but how you gonna say this ain't bringing nothin new 2 the table ???
this is like a mix of every genre wrapped in 1, and that shit don't happen no more
No, its really not. Its a bunch of random big name features that are trying to get a fan or two from several different genres all backed by Timbaland beats. Justin Timberlake sucks, Nelly Furtado was better before she tried to be on some Fergie / Gwen Stefani type shit. Then you've got your token 50 cent feature. Ooh, then Elton John, how deep. A bunch of Tim beats featuring pretty much the biggest NAMES that are shoved down our throat by Interscope doesn't bring anything new to the table. One joint w/ Magoo and Sebastian doesn't matter amongst all the other names.
I love Tim, and the vast majority of his beats are dope. But I just hate the way this whole album is packaged and marketed. It's just boring and predictable to me. It seems way too slick and contrived.
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^ Couldn't agree more.
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I suppose it's not TOO surprising given that none of the singles have become big hits yet (though I think that would change if a video for "Way You Are" came out). But yeah, just goes to show you how far hip-hop sales have fallen (even if this album isn't 100% hip-hop). All the flops last week (Buck included), now this...well, from a commercial standpoint at least, hip-hop really IS dead I guess.
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this album doesnt deserve high sales anyways.
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this album doesnt deserve high sales anyways.
And neither does anything Dipset puts out...oh, wait a minute, forgot, their sales aren't that high anyway.
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buying music is a thing of the past i guess... :-\
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Not surprised. A crappy / cheesy / predictable ass album flopping again. BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE TABLE AND MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED.
I ain't big on the album, but come on dude.
no doubt you know your hip-hop, but how you gonna say this ain't bringing nothin new 2 the table ???
1. The album sounds like it was forced to be creative. Uninspired and all.
2. In general the sound isn't that much refreshing, compared to the stuff Timbaland's done over the past few years.
3. The quality is mediocre overall.
Got what it deserved.
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Everyone acts like it's platinum or nothing these days. Gold records used to be the standard up until the late 80s. Now everyone thinks you ain't shit unless you sell a bazillion records the first week. ::)
I haven't even download Tim's new album, and from the looks of the tracklist, I don't really feel compelled to either. I get enough of that bullshit listening to the radio. I expected Tim to do something other than slap some big names on the album and call it a day.
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^Well if some underground cat from Yukon, Canada does 140k first week, nobody gon' call it a flop. However, the budget for Timbaland's album was definitely higher than what they will gain through those sales lol.
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^Well if some underground cat from Yukon, Canada does 140k first week, nobody gon' call it a flop. However, the budget for Timbaland's album was definitely higher than what they will gain through those sales lol.
That just means Tim needs to try harder to impress fans and not the record execs. It's not my fault because I don't buy the record, it's Tim's fault because he isn't making his album compelling enough for me to check.
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Well this is a pop-album. It's only associated with hip-hop because the face of the album is a black dude who used to produce rap records. The few rap tracks on it don't have usual rap beats, and are far from as good as Timbo's best rap beats imo. Lascivious pop-tracks is most of what this album is about.
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With most albums i hear these days the record dont match up with the hype. Its not what it couldve or shouldve been but its still entertaining so i bought it.
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Well this is a pop-album. It's only associated with hip-hop because the face of the album is a black dude who used to produce rap records. The few rap tracks on it don't have usual rap beats, and are far from as good as Timbo's best rap beats imo. Lascivious pop-tracks is most of what this album is about.
Exactly. He went too far out of his element. I expected to see a couple eyebrow raising features only because that's what I expect out of Tim, but the features aren't eyebrow raising, they are yawn inducing. All he did is go out a recruit artists who have moderate to great success amongst sales and radio plays only to try to produce a buzz for his own album.
But I don't want to be too critical about his album because Tim has been in the game a long time making music that is ahead of it's time. He has made enough good music in his day where he can make a shitty album and it doesn't matter too much to him. He's already makes more in a week than I do in a year, so I'm sure he isn't sweating it too much.
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
i certainly hope you´re not comparing the Dre/Snoop combo and Premo/Nas combo to the wickedy wack combos on Timbo´s album lol. Tim´s beats are always banging but he´s really a subpar producer(producer, not beatmaker)and this album shows it. a producer is supposed to get the best outta the artists and Timbo actually managed to get the worst possible shit outta a bunch of wack artists.
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
I'm bring up a plausible reason why Timbo isn't selling and why I don't go out and buy the album, and all you are pretty much telling me is that I should just deal with the album being subpar. THAT is exactly the reason why record sales are down. There are no strategic features on the album AT ALL! They are just there to be big name features. If I want to buy a fuckin pop album, I'll go out get get a Danity Kane CD. Tim is not a pop artist and he shouldn't act like it. If you like the album that much, go out a buy 20 copies, cause I sure ain't buying it. This is my opinion. You can take it or leave it for all I care. I have every right to be critical about any album if I so choose.
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
Dude, we cant help the fact you're hyped that fast. Soon as a beat is catchy you label it a classic.. It's good for you you're that easy satisfied, but some people demand a little more quality.
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he might.. but see it more likely doin 120-30k
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I wasnt talking about this cd.
Im talking about every rap cd released from 2002 with the exception of lets say 5 albums. All the rest got shitted on.
Folks still want the music from the 90s. Guess what, thats NEVER GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN. I dont even know what some dudes are even doing on this music forums. They dont like anything that drops. Why waste time ?
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If you look at Timbo's other first week sales I think this is comparable, I think his albums with Magoo went plat at the most so the first week sales are not that far off
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the beats are bangin, but lyrics, vocals n concepts of the songs are just blaaaah!
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
Oh, I'm sorry. I was listening to this album with my lady, and she thought three songs were alright, the rest bored her to death. I wouldn't dare calling her a critic, and she loves some of the stuff Timbaland did in the recent past. Face it, this album is NOT GOOD. Not enjoyable at all - you don't have to be critical to realise that.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I'll complain at anything if I feel the need. If Nas and Premo aren't living up to their expectations, damn right they should get hated on. Same thing with Snoop and Dre. Nas' latest album was praised a lot on here - I don't see why you're bringing that one up. It was seriously lacking to me personally, although Nas showed he could still spit. I thought it was one of the better albums of 2006, regardless of how flawed it was. Should I not speak my mind?
Apparently, some people have higher standards than others. I'm not the one to judge that.
I wasnt talking about this cd.
Im talking about every rap cd released from 2002 with the exception of lets say 5 albums. All the rest got shitted on.
Every single album has it's share of positive and negative criticism. You can't name me one album that hasn't been negatively criticised. To say everything gets shitted on, that's to put it in black and white. I have no doubt every member of this board will be able to mention a fair share of decent or enjoyable albums from the past 5 years. There might not be a general consensus on what's good and what's not, but you're putting things in black and white where they shouldn't be.
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nas album was nice, but it was not amazing....nas still killing it on the mic, but i don't his progressed as a mc since gods son....but then i am not saying he fell off because nas been on top for a long ass time...i just do not think his come new recently....its difficult to explain.......no complaints about nas's album however....but what does nas have left to prove? nothing, its a weird situation to be in as a rapper...
about timbalands album, i think there are about 5-6 heated joints...with some more for production than a joint as a whole....i think he did well to be honest...i never felt timbaland would be able to release a complete album and he has not...but i think he had a good effort at showing he kinda ahead right now of alot of producers production wise....
about the 140k....not suprised....even if sales were good....timbaland never been one to push units....bitches don't buy shit from fat niggaz
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Elvez, it has nothing to do with this Timbaland album.
Looks like its just me whos seeing all the bitching on these boards. I just wish people wouldnt only pick the negative stuff and use it in every thread.
Who cares really, fuck it.
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Looks like its just me whos seeing all the bitching on these boards. I just wish people wouldnt only pick the negative stuff and use it in every thread.
It's a message board - what did you expect? People here don't just listen to the music the radio presents them; they carefully decide what they like and what not. These people have formed opinions, they don't just swallow whatever they're fed. We choke on it.
Please remember, DubCC isn't a perfect thinslicing of the market. People here are way too distinct for that. It's only natural for an artist to be more criticised on a message board than in the streets. I don't consider it hating, and I don't consider it unfair. The fact is, my lady disliked most of Timbaland's album, and she's no critic, nor a hater. That's something to be taken seriously, and it's reflected in his album sales.
You see a lot of negativity, I see a lot of people with distinct opinions. That's quite a difference, but it's all good.
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yeah, the point of the board is to discuss the music.
Look I'll admit it, I'm a Puffy fan, and Puff gets shitted on all the time... That doesn't mean I have to defend him everywhere I go.
I understand that he doens't make bangers all the time, and if people want to say how much Puffs fallen off, more power to them. That doesn't mean I can't still enjoy Puff. It's really not that serious.
If I recall no one on here just said "Timbo's new album is garbage." Most people were on the tip of "I was expecting more" or "It just seemed a little too slick for me" - and btw those are valid thoughts. You may even say Timbo is a victim of his own success, a lot of people expect heat from him.
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I didn't know Puffy has fans! Just out of curiousity, what's so good about Puffy?
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Who cares really, fuck it.
Obviously you do.
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I didn't know Puffy has fans! Just out of curiousity, what's so good about Puffy?
For me it's more centimental, than musically...
back in 1994 - 1999 I worked with my uncle at a Mercedes dealership (RIP Uncle Andrew) on Florence And Normandie (for yall in the know, it used to be called AC Auto, naem changed after he died)
Well form 94 - 99 I was just into Bad Boy, and so was uncle... he loved BIG.
Whenever I listen to Ready to Die, or even Puffs No Way Out, I can't help but think of my deceased uncle...When I listen to anything out of the BadBoy camp in the 90's I think of my uncle andrew.
Didn't wanna get that deep in it, but now you know...
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Elvez, it has nothing to do with this Timbaland album.
Looks like its just me whos seeing all the bitching on these boards. I just wish people wouldnt only pick the negative stuff and use it in every thread.
Who cares really, fuck it.
i haven't came across a forum that didn't bitch about the music.. so you should get used to it.
Also, i've seen you bitch and complain aka state your opinion on why you don't like a certain artist/album..
Why is it that you get to 'state your opinion' on certain artists/albums you don't like but everyone else 'bitches and complains like women' when they talk about an album/artist they dont like that obvious you do?
I mean, if we were stoning the game and his DA album, you'd be the first person to throw the stone...
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Funny how we are discussing a pop album on a rap album forum. Timbaland made a great upbeat pop album, just like he did this year with Furtado and Timberlake. This album has 4 or 5 rap songs, but overall, Timbaland is trying new things with new artists.
This album was a refreshing change. Don't you get tired of the same old G-Shit? Everytime I hear a Kurupt or Daz song, its the same kind of beat, over the same lyrics. These kind of artists have been making the EXACT same music for 15 years. Artists like Timbaland should be rewarded for trying something new.
Gangsta rap music is dieing, simply for the fact the people making it aren't gangstas. I can listen to a Cube album, or a Dre album, and enjoy it, because they started the stuff, and their sound has changed over the years. But all these new people shouldn't make that kind of music. 50 Cent does it for the entertainment, Game does it because he thinks hes a thug, the south does it to make money. Artists like Sly Boogy and Crooked I give their own unique style to the genre. While others like Game, Slim Thug, Young Jeezy, just copy artists before them. Too much repetition in music.
When you hear an artists song, and your like "I know, that has to be ______." Lil Jon does it, Timbaland does it, Dre does it. Their production styles are unique, which many people copy. They set the way of music, and should be rewarded for it.
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Funny how we are discussing a pop album on a rap album forum. Timbaland made a great upbeat pop album, just like he did this year with Furtado and Timberlake. This album has 4 or 5 rap songs, but overall, Timbaland is trying new things with new artists.
This album was a refreshing change. Don't you get tired of the same old G-Shit? Everytime I hear a Kurupt or Daz song, its the same kind of beat, over the same lyrics. These kind of artists have been making the EXACT same music for 15 years. Artists like Timbaland should be rewarded for trying something new.
Gangsta rap music is dieing, simply for the fact the people making it aren't gangstas. I can listen to a Cube album, or a Dre album, and enjoy it, because they started the stuff, and their sound has changed over the years. But all these new people shouldn't make that kind of music. 50 Cent does it for the entertainment, Game does it because he thinks hes a thug, the south does it to make money. Artists like Sly Boogy and Crooked I give their own unique style to the genre. While others like Game, Slim Thug, Young Jeezy, just copy artists before them. Too much repetition in music.
When you hear an artists song, and your like "I know, that has to be ______." Lil Jon does it, Timbaland does it, Dre does it. Their production styles are unique, which many people copy. They set the way of music, and should be rewarded for it.
i think it's because timbaland is seen more as an hip hop/r&b producer from this forum.. But i respect your opinion.
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Elvez, it has nothing to do with this Timbaland album.
Looks like its just me whos seeing all the bitching on these boards. I just wish people wouldnt only pick the negative stuff and use it in every thread.
Who cares really, fuck it.
i haven't came across a forum that didn't bitch about the music.. so you should get used to it.
Also, i've seen you bitch and complain aka state your opinion on why you don't like a certain artist/album..
Why is it that you get to 'state your opinion' on certain artists/albums you don't like but everyone else 'bitches and complains like women' when they talk about an album/artist they dont like that obvious you do?
I mean, if we were stoning the game and his DA album, you'd be the first person to throw the stone...
Dont know if you noticed but I completley stopped posting in Game threads, simply because I realized that I was an idiot for paying that much attention to an artists (that I dont think is the best out here, is overrated on this forum) and study his every move, analyze it...
I was an idiot for that, its not hard for me to admit that.
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Elvez, it has nothing to do with this Timbaland album.
Looks like its just me whos seeing all the bitching on these boards. I just wish people wouldnt only pick the negative stuff and use it in every thread.
Who cares really, fuck it.
i haven't came across a forum that didn't bitch about the music.. so you should get used to it.
Also, i've seen you bitch and complain aka state your opinion on why you don't like a certain artist/album..
Why is it that you get to 'state your opinion' on certain artists/albums you don't like but everyone else 'bitches and complains like women' when they talk about an album/artist they dont like that obvious you do?
I mean, if we were stoning the game and his DA album, you'd be the first person to throw the stone...
Dont know if you noticed but I completley stopped posting in Game threads, simply because I realized that I was an idiot for paying that much attention to an artists (that I dont think is the best out here, is overrated on this forum) and study his every move, analyze it...
I was an idiot for that, its not hard for me to admit that.
Why do you think this message board was created? We are all here to discuss music. It might not be the type of discussion you want to hear, but that is what we are doing. People have been taking side is rap as long as it has existed. You have your opinion and I have mine. Just because you think "we are being too critical" doesn't mean we are wrong for it.
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
The funny thing is, you see it as complaining, rather than criticism. Now who's acting like a woman?? You're like some of the bitches I work with that cry when they are told they are doing shit wrong. It's actually quite bizarre that you take offense everytime someone doesn't praise an Interscope related album...Are you part of their e-team or some shit? There's really no other plausible explanation how much you trumpet everything they drop as great and get e-motional when nobody else agrees.
And LMFAO at you coming to the realization that people would criticize a Nas / Primo or Snoop / Dre album! Do you think that those people are beyond critique? Are they untouchable? Is it wrong to question anything? I mean I guess it's a lot easier to just happily accept everything that people give you in life, but sorry, some people actually elect to use the conscious part of their brain (you know, the part that seperates humans from almost every other creature in existance).
Give some boxed wine to a wine conisseur and tell them they should be happy that it was served to them. Shit I could give you 1000 examples but it's useless because in your feeble mind you just think everybody is mean and is stuck in the 90's. You're just ignorant and/or naive.
And I've told you this before, and so have others, but you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want opposing viewpoints on music. What the fuck are you here for? And FYI, there have been dope albums released in the last 5 years, hell in the last 5 weeks they are just WAY fewer and further between - ESPECIALLY in the mainstream.
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yo whats FYI mean?.....for your information?....or u hollering at a dubcc cat?
speaking of quality albums and shit, i do not even think some of these cats have ever heard an album outside of the shady/aftermath/gunit and affliates group.....seriously i heard someone say that recent shady records compilation cd (re-up) is a near classic....i meean seriously.....near classic....damn the 8mile ost was much better than that cd but this shit is near classic?....this 50 joint a super hit? i heard someone say the new dre beats is on some goosebump shit?!?1 shiiiiiiiiiiiiit yo, imma need to start poppin off soon at some niggaz in here,haha.....
oh the real though....while unlike you i think there is some great stuff mixed in with weak stuff on timbalands cd...there is so much shit out right now outside the interscope brand that is droppin nice shit...nicer beats...its crazy cats ignore that shit....
But ofcourse hype wise other labels will never reach the hype 50's album will reach....and i do not know about you, but i am actually looking forward to checking it to see how 50 comes after all the talking for the 2 years or more...
pz.....
anyways this was wayy off topic....back on topic....why people suprised about his low sales....i doubt timbaland has ever sold big numbers....im pretty sure he has not
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this album will go platnum... as soon as girls start listening to way u are and other tracks on the cd.. they will go out and buy like akon.. trust me this album will do big numbers in the long run
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
The funny thing is, you see it as complaining, rather than criticism. Now who's acting like a woman?? You're like some of the bitches I work with that cry when they are told they are doing shit wrong. It's actually quite bizarre that you take offense everytime someone doesn't praise an Interscope related album...Are you part of their e-team or some shit? There's really no other plausible explanation how much you trumpet everything they drop as great and get e-motional when nobody else agrees.
And LMFAO at you coming to the realization that people would criticize a Nas / Primo or Snoop / Dre album! Do you think that those people are beyond critique? Are they untouchable? Is it wrong to question anything? I mean I guess it's a lot easier to just happily accept everything that people give you in life, but sorry, some people actually elect to use the conscious part of their brain (you know, the part that seperates humans from almost every other creature in existance).
Give some boxed wine to a wine conisseur and tell them they should be happy that it was served to them. Shit I could give you 1000 examples but it's useless because in your feeble mind you just think everybody is mean and is stuck in the 90's. You're just ignorant and/or naive.
And I've told you this before, and so have others, but you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want opposing viewpoints on music. What the fuck are you here for? And FYI, there have been dope albums released in the last 5 years, hell in the last 5 weeks they are just WAY fewer and further between - ESPECIALLY in the mainstream.
Once again how am i getting emotional ? Am I writing 4 paragraphs for each thing that I think its wrong ? Hell no. Where did you get the Interscope theory is beyond me.
Im gonna end this debat, by saying that people are setting their standards way too high and get dissapointed with each release. I realized 2,3 years ago rap music aint never gonna be what it used to be and I lowered my standards, to actually have a chance of enjoying a cd or 2. Nowadays before the album drops people expect a 5/5 LP, that of course never happens and they start trashing it all over the place.
It has nothing to do with me and opposing viewpoints. I always check threads I dont even post in, cds Im not intersted in and please believe that 90% of posters will trash the music "its nothing like I expected it to be." Now somebody is gonna say "but its right for us to be a critic and to except the best out of an artists." Well amen to that but guess what, you aint gonna get what youre expecting. Not in these days.
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Once again how am i getting emotional ? Am I writing 4 paragraphs for each thing that I think its wrong ? Hell no.
What a fallacy, and you know it. When they're being misunderstood, some people do mind explaining themselves thoroughly. That's people like Jrome and me. What's wrong about us explaining something you're questioning?
Im gonna end this debat, by saying that people are setting their standards way too high and get dissapointed with each release. I realized 2,3 years ago rap music aint never gonna be what it used to be and I lowered my standards, to actually have a chance of enjoying a cd or 2.
Goddamn, that day must've been sad. You do realise there's plenty of great music outside of hip-hop, right?
It has nothing to do with me and opposing viewpoints. I always check threads I dont even post in, cds Im not intersted in and please believe that 90% of posters will trash the music "its nothing like I expected it to be." Now somebody is gonna say "but its right for us to be a critic and to except the best out of an artists." Well amen to that but guess what, you aint gonna get what youre expecting. Not in these days.
That has been said already in fact. And perhaps these high standards aren't even what we're expecting, but we see the potential. Shouldn't artists live up to their potential at all? Are you really implying art on a whole is that dead in your view? I'd say get out there, try yourself some more distinct music. Kick back and relax.
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I didn't know Puffy has fans! Just out of curiousity, what's so good about Puffy?
For me it's more centimental, than musically...
back in 1994 - 1999 I worked with my uncle at a Mercedes dealership (RIP Uncle Andrew) on Florence And Normandie (for yall in the know, it used to be called AC Auto, naem changed after he died)
Well form 94 - 99 I was just into Bad Boy, and so was uncle... he loved BIG.
Whenever I listen to Ready to Die, or even Puffs No Way Out, I can't help but think of my deceased uncle...When I listen to anything out of the BadBoy camp in the 90's I think of my uncle andrew.
Didn't wanna get that deep in it, but now you know...
Wow, that's to be respected crazily - props. I guess you shouldn't call yourself a fan of Puffy though - it's that you have important memories attached to his music, which makes you cherish the music. Nothing much about Puffy's greatness in that, or am I mistaken?
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
The funny thing is, you see it as complaining, rather than criticism. Now who's acting like a woman?? You're like some of the bitches I work with that cry when they are told they are doing shit wrong. It's actually quite bizarre that you take offense everytime someone doesn't praise an Interscope related album...Are you part of their e-team or some shit? There's really no other plausible explanation how much you trumpet everything they drop as great and get e-motional when nobody else agrees.
And LMFAO at you coming to the realization that people would criticize a Nas / Primo or Snoop / Dre album! Do you think that those people are beyond critique? Are they untouchable? Is it wrong to question anything? I mean I guess it's a lot easier to just happily accept everything that people give you in life, but sorry, some people actually elect to use the conscious part of their brain (you know, the part that seperates humans from almost every other creature in existance).
Give some boxed wine to a wine conisseur and tell them they should be happy that it was served to them. Shit I could give you 1000 examples but it's useless because in your feeble mind you just think everybody is mean and is stuck in the 90's. You're just ignorant and/or naive.
And I've told you this before, and so have others, but you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want opposing viewpoints on music. What the fuck are you here for? And FYI, there have been dope albums released in the last 5 years, hell in the last 5 weeks they are just WAY fewer and further between - ESPECIALLY in the mainstream.
Once again how am i getting emotional ? Am I writing 4 paragraphs for each thing that I think its wrong ? Hell no. Where did you get the Interscope theory is beyond me.
Im gonna end this debat, by saying that people are setting their standards way too high and get dissapointed with each release. I realized 2,3 years ago rap music aint never gonna be what it used to be and I lowered my standards, to actually have a chance of enjoying a cd or 2. Nowadays before the album drops people expect a 5/5 LP, that of course never happens and they start trashing it all over the place.
It has nothing to do with me and opposing viewpoints. I always check threads I dont even post in, cds Im not intersted in and please believe that 90% of posters will trash the music "its nothing like I expected it to be." Now somebody is gonna say "but its right for us to be a critic and to except the best out of an artists." Well amen to that but guess what, you aint gonna get what youre expecting. Not in these days.
emotional.. in rap forums are when people go off topic and make a post saying "i hate when people hate on the rappers i like.. etc" Not writing 4 paragraphs..
Another thing friend, you have to understand the nature of rap music. Alot of rappers boast about who they are. They try to convince people they are God.. They smoke the best weed, fuck the best girls, drive the best cars, write the best lyrics and make the most money.. So when you having a bragging rapper talking all day, your expectations get raised of what he going to come out with..
For example, Chamillionaire's single "not a criminal", he's bragging all over the song.. So when people get it, they want to hear why this guy is trying to put himself up there with Jay and Puff's money.. And so when his album falls short of acheiving success, then people are going to hate on it..
So yeah, Timbaland talks about making half a mill a track, and has the nerve to allow Timberlake to a diss Prince (a legend) on his new single.. People's expectations were raised, and this album doesn't exceed it.
Similarily to The Game's album.. He explained he was going to sell 5 million again, and his the single had every rapper on the remix.. But it wasn't perfect, it wasn't better than dre and 50's assisted 1st album, so people like you, hated on it.
All in all, these albums are good and quality.. but people will hate because they didn't beat their God-like expectations.
I know what i'm saying is common sense, but once you understand it then you'll understand the 'negativity' of the forum.
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man.....it's gettin crazy...
a few things:
what did the album actually do number wise first week, now that it's out?
and TTK's point about the Nas/Primo, Dre/snoop records was that they are records we are clamoring for..and we would diss them. i see his point ther you know? alot of us often want such records and ask and ask for them, and when they happen we still bitch. that's all he's sayin, he ain't saying they are beyond critique.
-T
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Im getting so sick of everyone acting like women, complaining about everything. Some people arent satisfied with anything. Music is suppose to bring fun to your life, not make you some whining and despresed bitch.
If Nas dropped that whole Primo produced album, people would complain. If Snoop dropped the whole Dre produced album, people would complain. Nas dropped one of the best album in last 5 years with HHID, yet people still complained.
I mean, stop bitching about every little detail, stop making up this theories of conspiracy. Get a life.
The funny thing is, you see it as complaining, rather than criticism. Now who's acting like a woman?? You're like some of the bitches I work with that cry when they are told they are doing shit wrong. It's actually quite bizarre that you take offense everytime someone doesn't praise an Interscope related album...Are you part of their e-team or some shit? There's really no other plausible explanation how much you trumpet everything they drop as great and get e-motional when nobody else agrees.
And LMFAO at you coming to the realization that people would criticize a Nas / Primo or Snoop / Dre album! Do you think that those people are beyond critique? Are they untouchable? Is it wrong to question anything? I mean I guess it's a lot easier to just happily accept everything that people give you in life, but sorry, some people actually elect to use the conscious part of their brain (you know, the part that seperates humans from almost every other creature in existance).
Give some boxed wine to a wine conisseur and tell them they should be happy that it was served to them. Shit I could give you 1000 examples but it's useless because in your feeble mind you just think everybody is mean and is stuck in the 90's. You're just ignorant and/or naive.
And I've told you this before, and so have others, but you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want opposing viewpoints on music. What the fuck are you here for? And FYI, there have been dope albums released in the last 5 years, hell in the last 5 weeks they are just WAY fewer and further between - ESPECIALLY in the mainstream.
Once again how am i getting emotional ? Am I writing 4 paragraphs for each thing that I think its wrong ? Hell no. Where did you get the Interscope theory is beyond me.
Im gonna end this debat, by saying that people are setting their standards way too high and get dissapointed with each release. I realized 2,3 years ago rap music aint never gonna be what it used to be and I lowered my standards, to actually have a chance of enjoying a cd or 2. Nowadays before the album drops people expect a 5/5 LP, that of course never happens and they start trashing it all over the place.
It has nothing to do with me and opposing viewpoints. I always check threads I dont even post in, cds Im not intersted in and please believe that 90% of posters will trash the music "its nothing like I expected it to be." Now somebody is gonna say "but its right for us to be a critic and to except the best out of an artists." Well amen to that but guess what, you aint gonna get what youre expecting. Not in these days.
haha, yeah kid lower your standards. Interscope loves you for that - now maybe if they could convince the rest of the world to do that maybe their sales wouldn't suck such a fat dick. And there's many albums that still come out that meet or exceed my expectations. Devin, Scarface, AZ, Nas, Gnarls Barkley, Kanye and that's just off top. And actually, Tim's album is exactly what I thought it would be. No disappointment here.
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what numbers did he actually do?
-T
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seems like u gotta be in love with timbaland to like this album ;) and u people can guess who it is