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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The King Of L.A on April 07, 2007, 11:57:12 AM
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can some one break it down for me about why people call him a rat. I know some details but not the actual whole story.
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People are jealous of his street cred/money, so they will do anything to discredit him.
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People are jealous of his street cred/money
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a song called ghetto qu'ran part 1 from his unreleased album "power of the dollar" talks about how preme was a drug dealer
which apparently the police didnt know about(LOL?!!?)
then the police listened to his songs
and suddendly decided to start investigating a big time drug dealer from queens they never knew about before
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Dude, every rapper has done that, or something similar. 50's actions just get put into the limelight because of his massive fame ( again, the reason why people hate ). If he didn't talk about stuff like that, yall would complain that he doesn't keep it real.
And 50 DOES have major street cred, he did quite a bit of dirt b4 he got into the game, and that's a fact. I realize some people don't wanna believe it, but it's 100% true. The only difference now, is that 50 can hire people to do his dirt for him. And when your a boss, that's the way it should be.
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But the thing about it is, is that it's a big no-no to do that.
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Dude, every rapper has done that, or something similar. 50's actions just get put into the limelight because of his massive fame ( again, the reason why people hate ). If he didn't talk about stuff like that, yall would complain that he doesn't keep it real.
And 50 DOES have major street cred, he did quite a bit of dirt b4 he got into the game, and that's a fact. I realize some people don't wanna believe it, but it's 100% true. The only difference now, is that 50 can hire people to do his dirt for him. And when your a boss, that's the way it should be.
You better watch out, keep smoking that reefer and he'll put YOU in jail.
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
fuck drug-dealers.
fuck snitches.
in russian prisons drugdealers get fucked like bytches, because they are inhuman and are killing another man slowly, cowardly and get money over somebody addiction/illness/death.so are snitches, rapers, child-molesters.
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
youll say anything to defend 50 cent
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
youll say anything to defend 50 cent
Listen, I know you like quoting my posts, but can you please address what I said rather then some bias you have against 50 Cent fans.
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
but then where am I going to get my drugs?
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Snitching keeps the hood safe. I don't see whats the huge deal, some drug dealers are bad dudes.
youll say anything to defend 50 cent
Listen, I know you like quoting my posts, but can you please address what I said rather then some bias you have against 50 Cent fans.
i dont have a bias against 50 cent fans, because i am one myself. i comment because the things you post about him are insanely biased. but hey, if youre that big of a fan of him then all the more power to you i guess.
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can some one break it down for me about why people call him a rat. I know some details but not the actual whole story.
Doesn`t that go for Snoop aswell? Somebody know that story??
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
So what would you call what he spit on that track?
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so basicly...50 cent told the police about a drug dealer.....sounds like a bitch 2 me
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so basicly...50 cent told the police about a drug dealer.....sounds like a bitch 2 me
do u seriously think the police didnt already know about a drug dealer like keneth supreme?
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doesent matter if thay new or not, still blabin
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It was really less to do with what you mentioned regarding the drug dealer publicly at least and more to do with irv gotti and ja rule accusing 50 cent of being a snitch because there was altercation between themm or an alleged altercation between them. The altercation resulting in 50 cent getting stabbed this happened before he became famous but this then led to the cops getting involved. I think it's been mentioned that the person who stabbed him was not ja rule but black child, it's just ja rule was at the scene also.
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
So what would you call what he spit on that track?
He's rapping about his life. The police aren't listening to that song man, and like Jip said, it's not like they didn't know about Supreme. Supreme was most likley paying the cops off anyways, so I don't think he's worried about 50 saying some shit on a record.
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can some one break it down for me about why people call him a rat. I know some details but not the actual whole story.
Doesn`t that go for Snoop aswell? Somebody know that story??
With Snoop I know the interview where Suge says Snoop is a rat because that's the only way out from all of his arrests. Also in some document about Tupac there is "alleged conversation between Snoop and LA police officer" where Snoop would have said that Suge killed Tupac. You can probably find this "interview" in youtube. It hasn't have the original voices. Some guy just says the lines... If someone knows more, it would be nice to hear...
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
He's visible cuz of all the cops that are around him.
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YEAH HE SNITCH CUZZ HE A FAKEAZZ BLOOD
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It was really less to do with what you mentioned regarding the drug dealer publicly at least and more to do with irv gotti and ja rule accusing 50 cent of being a snitch because there was altercation between themm or an alleged altercation between them. The altercation resulting in 50 cent getting stabbed this happened before he became famous but this then led to the cops getting involved. I think it's been mentioned that the person who stabbed him was not ja rule but black child, it's just ja rule was at the scene also.
the police gave him a restraining order against some people, although he never asked for it or something after that incident
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
yep, true talk, youre a smart dude man, everytime i see your posts they got that truth in them. +1
people just hating cause 50 is one of the biggest rap stars ever, and jealousy is a bitch. everyone wants to pull anything they can find against him, from his beefs (strictly business, imo) to his "snitching" which was just in a song and fortunately someone said before me, snoop did too, yall on his nuts though, why hate 50?
almost every rapper talks about doing dirt and people who did dirt, so why is 50 a snitch when the other 100 rappers who do it are not? 50 haters are the biggest hipocrits on this planet imo.
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It was really less to do with what you mentioned regarding the drug dealer publicly at least and more to do with irv gotti and ja rule accusing 50 cent of being a snitch because there was altercation between themm or an alleged altercation between them. The altercation resulting in 50 cent getting stabbed this happened before he became famous but this then led to the cops getting involved. I think it's been mentioned that the person who stabbed him was not ja rule but black child, it's just ja rule was at the scene also.
the police gave him a restraining order against some people, although he never asked for it or something after that incident
yeah its on the beef dvd. When black child stabbed 50, ja and irv were there and because it was a violent incident the police utomatically issued a restraining order against them. Regardless of whether 50 wanted one or not, its common procedure.
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The problem was that he didn't only talk about Supreme his criminal actions, but also about other people too, I forgot the names but I saw it in a video about 50 Cent and he has snitched on a few criminals but only on tracks...
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^you mean Prince?
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It's not about money or fame.. It's not even about a song.
It's about the information that 50 has and the potential of giving that info to the police to use to prosecute Murder Inc and Supreme.
If you remember, there was a big ordeal about whether 50 was going to take the stand and testify against Supreme. IF you understand the legal system and the court room process, then you understand that 50 must have given some type of statement to the police but in order to make it 'legal' in the court he must testify under oath in front of the judge and jury. As a soon to be lawyer, i can tell ya'll that contrary to what you see on the soap operas, there is no such thing as a suprise witness, each side (prosecution and defense) knows each other's strengthes and weaknesses, including witnesses.
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bottom line,,,,
hes a bitch boy...
y would some 1 bump 50 snith, when thay could bump balance and options????
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because although i love quik, balance and options isnt as good as get rich or die tryin. hate it if you want, but its more innovative, creative and raw. :-X
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Section 8 can you please shut the fuck up with your nonsense, what in this world has Quik to do with 50 Cent being a snitch or not....you really have no brain.
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I think that the bias for 50 is too much. i can see why people don't like him, and that's ok. But most of you only know about the street shit through the music you hear. Not saying that I know more than anyone else, but if 50 really was a snitch, he wouldn't be as visible as he is, he wouldn't be able to do videos, and security wouldn't help either. People just throw that label on him because of jeaousy imo.
He's visible cuz of all the cops that are around him.
LOL typical. Again, 50 is a BOSS with a lot of money, and most of the "cops" you see are former cops ( re cops who got kicked off/fired ). If you had all that money, all that fame, all that noteriety, TRUST ME, you would have protection too.
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bottom line,,,,
hes a bitch boy...
y would some 1 bump 50 snith, when thay could bump balance and options????
Bottom line, your from Europe, don't talk about this street shit that you don't know about.
And if youre gonna call someone a snitch, learn how to spell it first.
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Bottom line, your from Europe, don't talk about this street shit that you don't know about.
rite...because in london and mancheester..we havent got gangs and people gettin killed every day from guns...thats only in the us i forgot, its the same here.....manchester in run by gangs, caught in the wrong place and ya gone...ask anyone else here who is from the uk..and trust me these peeps dont bump g unit
lol 50 aint street,,,thats what every one bumps here, girls like that shit here...
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Bottom line, your from Europe, don't talk about this street shit that you don't know about.
rite...because in london and mancheester..we havent got gangs and people gettin killed every day from guns...thats only in the us i forgot, its the same here.....manchester in run by gangs, caught in the wrong place and ya gone...ask anyone else here who is from the uk..and trust me these peeps dont bump g unit
lol 50 aint street,,,thats what every one bumps here, girls like that shit here...
you're a fucking tool, i really feel sorry for your mother that she has a son like you. Christ, I bet if she knew she would have a son like you she would of had your old man kick her in the stomach. You're a fake, anyone that comes on a message board and acts this hard is obviously trying to live a fantasy life they have never known nor will ever know. And for real son, I dont care if you have drive by arguments in whatever little villiage you live in, you are not streets you dont know the streets so dont speak on the streets when you have no clue whats going on in the streets. But just for the record, 50 didnt get popped b/c of the song ghetto quran as much as your white euro fags would wish deep down inside.
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im not tryin 2 act hard, i feel sorry for peeps who cum on message bords and get all emotional.........whats a "tool" man...aint that like skatebording slang lol
i dident read the rest....
also homie i dont live no fantasies on message boards....jesus..but hay whatever right
peace
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im not tryin 2 act hard, i feel sorry for peeps who cum on message bords and get all emotional.........whats a "tool" man...aint that like skatebording slang lol
i dident read the rest....
also homie i dont live no fantasies on message boards....jesus..but hay whatever right
peace
i aint gettin emotional, im just speaking the truth. Now go make some tea and crumpets.
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tea and crumpets??
is that like a uk diss thing
next youl be sayin i like the queen....
grow ya emotional ass up
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tea and crumpets??
is that like a uk diss thing
next youl be sayin i like the queen....
grow ya emotional ass up
im not the one gettin emotional you phony lol, im just saying not only are you a embarrassment to your race but all of mankind. Im done with you now.
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tea and crumpets??
is that like a uk diss thing
next youl be sayin i like the queen....
grow ya emotional ass up
im not the one gettin emotional you phony lol, im just saying not only are you a embarrassment to your race but all of mankind. Im done with you now.
fold. now jump back in your time warp and bump your SCC & MC Eiht lol.
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People are jealous of his street cred/money, so they will do anything to discredit him.
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tea and crumpets??
is that like a uk diss thing
next youl be sayin i like the queen....
grow ya emotional ass up
im not the one gettin emotional you phony lol, im just saying not only are you a embarrassment to your race but all of mankind. Im done with you now.
fold. now jump back in your time warp and bump your SCC & MC Eiht lol.
Yeah real talk, and dont go whining on msn to me fool.
Im European, im white, but you know, i dont pretend to be a gangsta, im not, lol. You get respect by being yourself, not posing as some fake crip with a blue rag tied before your mouth, living in the UK and talking tough on an internetforum, haha.
You pathetic homie, dont be acting hard, nobody on this forum is, if you was a real gangsta you wouldnt be here, but on the "streets" throwing your gangsigns up, matter of fact, next time youre in Cali throw that Crip sign up, maybe that will help us get rid of you :)
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tea and crumpets??
is that like a uk diss thing
next youl be sayin i like the queen....
grow ya emotional ass up
im not the one gettin emotional you phony lol, im just saying not only are you a embarrassment to your race but all of mankind. Im done with you now.
fold. now jump back in your time warp and bump your SCC & MC Eiht lol.
Yeah real talk, and dont go whining on msn to me fool.
Im European, im white, but you know, i dont pretend to be a gangsta, im not, lol. You get respect by being yourself, not posing as some fake crip with a blue rag tied before your mouth, living in the UK and talking tough on an internetforum, haha.
You pathetic homie, dont be acting hard, nobody on this forum is, if you was a real gangsta you wouldnt be here, but on the "streets" throwing your gangsigns up, matter of fact, next time youre in Cali throw that Crip sign up, maybe that will help us get rid of you :)
LOL + 1 IMO there's nothing wrong with listening to MC Eiht, gangsta rap, etc. no matter where you are from, but getting an Eiht Hype tatto and wearing blue rags when your not even from Compton is not cool dude.
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the Eiht hype tattoo has personal meaning to him, that I understand
and while I don't agree with the manner in which he presented the thought, i agree that well done west coast g-funk is doper than 50's POTD and GRODT though those are well done records. and he's probably right that european cats that are somewhat street (and every big city/cultural center has some rough areas) would be more likely to be bumpin' SCC or DPG than 50 or gunit.
but he didn't need to be bringin' up quik and eiht and them in here, was kind of uncalled for/irrelevant to the topic
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The verse in ghetto qu'ran.
Yo, when you hear talk of the southside, you hear talk of the team
See niggas feared Prince and respected Preme
For all you slow muthafuckas I'm a break it down iller
See Preme was a business man and Prince was the killer
Remember, he used to push the bulletproof BM, uh huh
This here get ya seasick, I sat back and peeped shit
The roll with Easy Rider and they ain't get blunted
Had the whole projects workin for fifty on five-hundred
As a youth, all I ever did was sell crack
I used to idolize cat
Heart me in my heart to hear that nigga snitched on Pat, how he go out like
that?
Rumors in the hood was Jes was snitchin
I ain't believe that, pa, he helped me cop my first GSX-R
Had the four-runner, the Z, the 5 and the 3
Used to drive his truck through the hood draggin jet skis
From General Wallace to Baby Wise, don't be suprised
Of how freely I thought of names of guys who dealt with pies
Like L-A-N-Y's, L got shot in the neck, then told us connect
Them niggas who shot 'em got 'em for ten bricks
Fuckin Dominicans, turned around and gave 'em more bricks
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Are we seriously to believe that some cops are gonna deduce "Kenneth McGriff" from 'preme' in a song 2 or 3 times? I don't think he was snitching, but it was unwise of him to mention a term by which McGriff was referred to as.
tommy, why did 50 get popped?
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LOL @ section 8 getting owned....you guys keep talkin to him like this and dudes gonna delete his account again or get banned or whatever the fuck happened to him before.
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yeah but the funny part is, nobody done shit, he is makin a fool of himself lol. just look at his myspace pics, that dude is g(ay) as fuck man, wearing all blue rags and blue caps and all, hes the definition of a real g, for real man 8) 8)
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whats the colour got to do, so if i wear my athletics shit, what does that mean
eastern europen techno listnin prick,
netherlands,,jeesuz....most borin fuckin place on the planet..
so what ya sayin is u wear a dodgers cap u tryin to crip
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LOL@people acting as if the US was the hardest turf on planet earth and all of Europe was on some wizard of oz shit.
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FUCC AMERICCA CRIPANIA IZ WHERE ITZ AT CUZZ
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Ey man fifty sniched about me to tha beats, they come and took my green man shit. 50 is such a fas battybwoy. man i was smooking wit my dwatas and tha beasts come and took my shit aways man :( 8)
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LOL@people acting as if the US was the hardest turf on planet earth and all of Europe was on some wizard of oz shit.
and lol @ people thinking UK is better then any european country :D
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wha? No need to call people gay and stuff man. Like I said, i agree that his statements were uncalled for and irrelevant but he didn't hate on anyone here until they hated on him. he just hated on 50 and in turn was dissed by members of the forum, which i think is stupid. We should be more respectful to each other than these rappers that make their living off ass that would never even talk to us, let alone ride for us, you know?
furthermore, I'll dress crip-ular at times because it's a nice color scheme. Blue grey and khaki is sick shit. It's eye-pleasing, why the fuck not? I'm not trying to be gangster, I just like the outfits/colors.
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LOL@people acting as if the US was the hardest turf on planet earth and all of Europe was on some wizard of oz shit.
Nobody said the US was the hardest, but the street politics of Europe are vastly different than America. And, I would say that US is harder than Euro for the most part.
Tanj, props to for trying to be a peace maker, but even if it means something too you, and Eiht Hype tattoo on your fore arm is NOT cool, especially when youre a white kid who's never been in the streets, at least Compton. People in Eiht's crew got Eiht Hype tatted on them because that's crew, not because of music.
As far as being a Euro and wearing blue rags, there's nothing wrong with that. Section 8 wears them to try to act like a Crip FACT. He listens to Eiht & SCC, gets souped up and throws in his blue flags, acting like a crip. A fake gangster is always gonna get clowned on a site like this.
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I'm just saying the following:
1.I'd rather hate be thrown towards an artist (who might as well be a fictional character until they pull a Meech/Damizza and join our community) then a contributing member of the community.
2.I think it's whack to diss anyone that didn't diss you. This dude dissed 50 cent, and people dissed him. That's dumb to me.That's riding for someone who would not ride for you. Fuck riding for a millionaire.
Now once he dissed back it was on, I'm just saying don't diss someone for an artist who would just as soon tell you "get off my dick and tell your bitch to come here." rap stars/rock stars are assholes, fans are cool. fuck riding for assholes. fans should mingle and share thoughts.
props though reefer, those are just my thoughts
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I'm just saying the following:
1.I'd rather hate be thrown towards an artist (who might as well be a fictional character until they pull a Meech/Damizza and join our community) then a contributing member of the community.
2.I think it's whack to diss anyone that didn't diss you. This dude dissed 50 cent, and people dissed him. That's dumb to me.That's riding for someone who would not ride for you. Fuck riding for a millionaire.
Now once he dissed back it was on, I'm just saying don't diss someone for an artist who would just as soon tell you "get off my dick and tell your bitch to come here." rap stars/rock stars are assholes, fans are cool. fuck riding for assholes. fans should mingle and share thoughts.
props though reefer, those are just my thoughts
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No doubt Tanj, just had to let u know where I'm coming from. I don't have interaction with any artists, so I don't feel the need to hate on someone I've never conversated with or hung around. If he was talking to me the way he typed, I'd come at him too, it's just a converstaion.
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I'm just saying the following:
1.I'd rather hate be thrown towards an artist (who might as well be a fictional character until they pull a Meech/Damizza and join our community) then a contributing member of the community.
2.I think it's whack to diss anyone that didn't diss you. This dude dissed 50 cent, and people dissed him. That's dumb to me.That's riding for someone who would not ride for you. Fuck riding for a millionaire.
Now once he dissed back it was on, I'm just saying don't diss someone for an artist who would just as soon tell you "get off my dick and tell your bitch to come here." rap stars/rock stars are assholes, fans are cool. fuck riding for assholes. fans should mingle and share thoughts.
props though reefer, those are just my thoughts
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No doubt Tanj, just had to let u know where I'm coming from. I don't have interaction with any artists, so I don't feel the need to hate on someone I've never conversated with or hung around. If he was talking to me the way he typed, I'd come at him too, it's just a converstaion.
that's a good point, but the shit people hate on 50 for certainly is tangible:
I hate on 50 cause he distracrs my favorite producer from working with artists I like and he encourages one of my favorite MCs (eminem) to water his shit down. I hate on Jay Z cause he makes and encourages the production of watered down shit, doesn't use his talent and has an annoying non musical voice...so when threads come up in which opinions/judgments/ratings are discussed i'm gonna speak with that shit in mind..cause an artists' art is out there to be judged, so I don't feel bad about dissing them. Plus rock stars/rap stars are asshole millionaires, they don't need my kindness. If they did, i'd be kind, but in the meantime I'm gonna be kind to those I'm discussing shit with, cause I am actually dealing with them and there's no reason to not be at least cordial to anyone you deal with, it just makes things move smoother to me i guess.
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I'm just saying the following:
1.I'd rather hate be thrown towards an artist (who might as well be a fictional character until they pull a Meech/Damizza and join our community) then a contributing member of the community.
2.I think it's whack to diss anyone that didn't diss you. This dude dissed 50 cent, and people dissed him. That's dumb to me.That's riding for someone who would not ride for you. Fuck riding for a millionaire.
Now once he dissed back it was on, I'm just saying don't diss someone for an artist who would just as soon tell you "get off my dick and tell your bitch to come here." rap stars/rock stars are assholes, fans are cool. fuck riding for assholes. fans should mingle and share thoughts.
props though reefer, those are just my thoughts
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No doubt Tanj, just had to let u know where I'm coming from. I don't have interaction with any artists, so I don't feel the need to hate on someone I've never conversated with or hung around. If he was talking to me the way he typed, I'd come at him too, it's just a converstaion.
that's a good point, but the shit people hate on 50 for certainly is tangible:
I hate on 50 cause he distracrs my favorite producer from working with artists I like and he encourages one of my favorite MCs (eminem) to water his shit down. I hate on Jay Z cause he makes and encourages the production of watered down shit, doesn't use his talent and has an annoying non musical voice...so when threads come up in which opinions/judgments/ratings are discussed i'm gonna speak with that shit in mind..cause an artists' art is out there to be judged, so I don't feel bad about dissing them. Plus rock stars/rap stars are asshole millionaires, they don't need my kindness. If they did, i'd be kind, but in the meantime I'm gonna be kind to those I'm discussing shit with, cause I am actually dealing with them and there's no reason to not be at least cordial to anyone you deal with, it just makes things move smoother to me i guess.
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That's ur vibe homey, nobody said u were wrong. On the side note, I love beefing with people sometimes, although I do what I can to keep it off Dubcc. Bottom line is, if I see someone as a fake, I gotta son them for it.
And the 50 Cent, that's your opinion, and I respect that, but youre blaming him for Dre & Em's problems. Em & Dre are both there own men, they were doing it before 50, and they will do it after. He doesn't hold Dre back unless Dre wants to be held back, same with Em. They know 50 is smart, that's why they deal with him. Both Dre & Em were/still are more powerful than 50 in the game, if they felt he was fucking them up, he'd would be dropped trust me on that pimp.
And like I said, 50 can be an asshole, but people calling him a snitch and whatnot is first off all NOT PROVEN, and stupid at that. 50 gets hate from people for no reason ( Game & Dipset stans are the most guilty ), and he's from my coast, we are PROUD of 50, and the money he's made, same with Jigga. If someone is discrediting him, I'm gonna tell you why I think it's wrong.
The same shit would happen to me if I said these things about Daz, or Mack 10, etc. EVERY other rapper that has ever amounted to anything is guilty of watering down there tracks at some point in there career. 50 & Jay get more hate than anyone, and the sad thing is, it's because they are ON TOP. People hate what they envy, and I'm not talking about you, Tanjibility, I'm speaking in general. When POD came out, muthafuckas was on 50's nuts hard. Same thing with GRODT. He got immensly popular, dissed some people's favorite rappers because hell, he can.
I wasn't feeling when he started putting out "Candy Shop" "Just A Lil Bit", etc. but like I said, every rapper does tracks like that, 50's just happen to become very popular.
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word, i see what you're saying
but here's some more thoughts of mine...
Dre and Em do not have a choice. due to their obligations to iovine, they have to milk the 50 cent franchise for all they can while they can. their shit is on hold, period until 50's done what he's gonna do on interscope/is off AM/Shady.
people don't hate on Kast for being on top, because they stay real on an artistic level...I don't think 50's a snitch, if you read my post where i posted the ghetto qu'ran verse I defended him...I just don't like what he's done/caused artistically post GRODT and to me that's a legitimate thing.
same with Jay in a sense, he's just done so much artistically weak stuff (not that he doesn't have his classics) that his status in the game is appaling to me. he is the ultimate symbol that the game is about money and sales/image more than it is art/music/talent than ever before and you can see it from his careers progression/topic matter alone.
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word, i see what you're saying
but here's some more thoughts of mine...
Dre and Em do not have a choice. due to their obligations to iovine, they have to milk the 50 cent franchise for all they can while they can. their shit is on hold, period until 50's done what he's gonna do on interscope/is off AM/Shady.
people don't hate on Kast for being on top, because they stay real on an artistic level...I don't think 50's a snitch, if you read my post where i posted the ghetto qu'ran verse I defended him...I just don't like what he's done/caused artistically post GRODT and to me that's a legitimate thing.
same with Jay in a sense, he's just done so much artistically weak stuff (not that he doesn't have his classics) that his status in the game is appaling to me. he is the ultimate symbol that the game is about money and sales/image more than it is art/music/talent than ever before and you can see it from his careers progression/topic matter alone.
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+ 1 Tanj, you always keep it real.
When u say that Jay's status is appaling, I could understand based on his body of work in the last 4-5 years or so. But he does have those classics, and he is one of the few lyrical g-o-d-s left, no matter how montone his voice is. My respect for Jay, and I think most people's is that he took his money and noteriety and MADE his own status in the game. He's a boss, even more so than 50, and Jigga has more control over the rap game than alot of people think.
I also don't think Dre & Em are backed into a corner, I truly think they know fucking with 50 is a smart move, and enjoy working with him. Shit, like it or not, 50 changed the game.
I also think Dre & Em have enough money, and are established enough at this point that they could go against Jimmy if they wanted too. Jimmy does have power, but NOT as much as the artists do imo. I could be wrong about that, but I think Em & Dre are big boys, and can make there own decisions.
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word, now we're getting into aspects that I, at least, don't know enough about to be speak on but yeah certainly jay is respectable for his hustle but so is Dick Cheney you know?
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word, now we're getting into aspects that I, at least, don't know enough about to be speak on but yeah certainly jay is respectable for his hustle but so is Dick Cheney you know?
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See but Jay made it to where he was at based on talent, only then started lying to us. Cheney is just lies imo.
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word, now we're getting into aspects that I, at least, don't know enough about to be speak on but yeah certainly jay is respectable for his hustle but so is Dick Cheney you know?
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See but Jay made it to where he was at based on talent, only then started lying to us. Cheney is just lies imo.
LMAO, we've been at this an hour. +1
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WATUP MUHFUCKA
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WATUP MUHFUCKA
Wat's poppin 5?
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5?
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WATS POPPIN HOLLA
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props
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5?
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5=Blood
6=crip
550=nuetral
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word, now we're getting into aspects that I, at least, don't know enough about to be speak on but yeah certainly jay is respectable for his hustle but so is Dick Cheney you know?
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See but Jay made it to where he was at based on talent, only then started lying to us. Cheney is just lies imo.
LMAO, we've been at this an hour. +1
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Shit what else do you expect. This helps the time at my job fly by, I'm not selling shit today.
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word, now we're getting into aspects that I, at least, don't know enough about to be speak on but yeah certainly jay is respectable for his hustle but so is Dick Cheney you know?
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See but Jay made it to where he was at based on talent, only then started lying to us. Cheney is just lies imo.
LMAO, we've been at this an hour. +1
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Shit what else do you expect. This helps the time at my job fly by, I'm not selling shit today.
hah, i'm at work too
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whats the colour got to do, so if i wear my athletics shit, what does that mean
eastern europen techno listnin prick,
netherlands,,jeesuz....most borin fuckin place on the planet..
so what ya sayin is u wear a dodgers cap u tryin to crip
youre making yourself sound worse with each post. just lettin ya know.
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To say that Eminem watered his shit down because of 50 is just crazy. Em been ropping his wierd flow before 50 Cnt came into the picture, even so, songs he does with 50 are usually where he spits fire: Love Me, Patiently Waiting, Dont Push Me, The Re-Up, You Dont Know, Never Enough....
And about 50 distracting Dre, check this out. Dre worked in 06 from Nas, to Jay, to Snoop and they all picked some weak, garbage beats. At least with 50 you now youre getting Dres best, till this day he hasnt picked a wack Dre beat yet. You need to have an ear for beats too. And what other artitsts do you want over this beats ? Dont tell me Kurupt because he can rap for shit anymore.
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whats the colour got to do, so if i wear my athletics shit, what does that mean
eastern europen techno listnin prick,
netherlands,,jeesuz....most borin fuckin place on the planet..
so what ya sayin is u wear a dodgers cap u tryin to crip
youre making yourself sound worse with each post. just lettin ya know.
real talk :D
*C-Walkin' Cha Cha Cha*
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To say that Eminem watered his shit down because of 50 is just crazy. Em been ropping his wierd flow before 50 Cnt came into the picture, even so, songs he does with 50 are usually where he spits fire: Love Me, Patiently Waiting, Dont Push Me, The Re-Up, You Dont Know, Never Enough....
And about 50 distracting Dre, check this out. Dre worked in 06 from Nas, to Jay, to Snoop and they all picked some weak, garbage beats. At least with 50 you now youre getting Dres best, till this day he hasnt picked a wack Dre beat yet. You need to have an ear for beats too. And what other artitsts do you want over this beats ? Dont tell me Kurupt because he can rap for shit anymore.
good sounding west coast legends that Dre never fully gave what they deserve from him
E 40
WC
TLO Rage
and I would still like to hear Kurupt over a Dre beat rather 50, because I like Kurupt's style voice and flow more. Plus he's more relatable to me, i can't relate to 50's music at all nor do I want to. 50 picks bangers true, but how often have the above cats even had a chance to pick? I'd like to ehar dre working with Em, Snoop. I'd like to hear Dre working with Raekwon, Bishop. Hittman, Slim the mobster, Knocturnal.
Fuckin' Daz. I'd like to hear Dre work with everyone else on his label. Rakim.
I'm not saying these are likely hopes, but with 50 in the picture they're impossible ones.
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All those you named are working with Dre or did, some are has beens, you know Dre aint fucking with wahsed up rappers. Still dont get how its 50s fault they aint getting beats, its all up to Dre.
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All those you named are working with Dre or did, some are has beens, you know Dre aint fucking with wahsed up rappers. Still dont get how its 50s fault they aint getting beats, its all up to Dre.
all that is with money in mind, not art. and that's the difference between a pre-50 dre and a post 50-dre. before 50, dre would strive for a strong balance of artistic quality and financial success. now it's 100% the latter
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Just coz' his music suks to the death and he earn lot of money with it..that's all..
When some better rapper are behind him and don't have the prestige that they should got..
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All those you named are working with Dre or did, some are has beens, you know Dre aint fucking with wahsed up rappers. Still dont get how its 50s fault they aint getting beats, its all up to Dre.
all that is with money in mind, not art. and that's the difference between a pre-50 dre and a post 50-dre. before 50, dre would strive for a strong balance of artistic quality and financial success. now it's 100% the latter
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How do you know that ? Are you saying 50 has no talent ? Because thats not ture. Dre himself stated in several interview when 50 Cent first came into the picture, that hes is one of the best songwriters he worked with in his whole career.
Now youre saying post Dre is all about the money ? Just check the recent signings. If that was the case he wouldnt have singed "has beens" Busta Rhymes and Raekwo, who are both expected not to sell large amounts of cds.
Where do you come from when you said that ? I need some examples where "post 50 Dre" was all about the money.
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alot of the stuff on encore is a great example
check it out timbo:
I will never say 50 doesn't have talent and good music(because he does) but to say that he is not bad for music over-all is ignoring everything he's done since GRODT...not so much for the quality of his music, but the influence he's had on the rest of the industry and the way he's handled things.
HHID would not be what it is without 50 cent's influence on the game.
furthermore
All those you named are working with Dre or did, some are has beens, you know Dre aint fucking with wahsed up rappers. Still dont get how its 50s fault they aint getting beats, its all up to Dre.
You should be the first cat to say that Dre signing someone and working with them are two very different things.
Where are the Dre produced Raekwon songs? Bishop songs? Slim the mobster? etc?
They will not happen until 50 is out of the picture, and I would love to be proven wrong and I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong when any of those albums come out with more than 4 dre produced tracks while 50 is where he's at.
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But look at it like this. 50 is a workaholic. He'll get those Dre beats in no time. Hes the only Afterath artists thats releasing albums every 2 years. It looks to me that he calls Dre, hangs in the studio with him and its done in a month. If anyone took a lot of Dres time is Busta or Game. 50 aint loosing no time. Remember how he was mad at Dre for only getting 2 beats on Massacre and waiting so long to get in the studio. He aint letting time fly by.
50 gets things done fast. See what Im saying ?
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But look at it like this. 50 is a workaholic. He'll get those Dre beats in no time. Hes the only Afterath artists thats releasing albums every 2 years. It looks to me that he calls Dre, hangs in the studio with him and its done in a month. If anyone took a lot of Dres time is Busta or Game. 50 aint loosing no time. Remember how he was mad at Dre for only getting 2 beats on Massacre and waiting so long to get in the studio. He aint letting time fly by.
50 gets things done fast. See what Im saying ?
Yeah, that's why Massacre is so eeeh... great ;D
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But look at it like this. 50 is a workaholic. He'll get those Dre beats in no time. Hes the only Afterath artists thats releasing albums every 2 years. It looks to me that he calls Dre, hangs in the studio with him and its done in a month. If anyone took a lot of Dres time is Busta or Game. 50 aint loosing no time. Remember how he was mad at Dre for only getting 2 beats on Massacre and waiting so long to get in the studio. He aint letting time fly by.
50 gets things done fast. See what Im saying ?
Yeah, no one is questioning that.....but also 50 has more of a pull on Dre than anyone. GAGE didn't have that option. Dre's secretary would have laughed into the phone piece if he would have called talking about "I need to record with Dre this month."
Noone says Republicans aren't good at winning, smart, hard workers, good at what they do etc. doesn't mean they are not a negative thing.
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Lol, Dre and 50 is like Justin and Britney, they gonna break up soon enough, and when that happens Dre get to produce for other artists, and 50 get to do his own thing without dre's help, let's see if they both can carry those torches nowadays.
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I have no doubt that Dre will make sick shit at that point, how old was quincy jones when he stopped producing you know?
also, to me, dre never fell off....to ME, his whackest shit is his early 80s shit and pretty much everything since with a few exceptions is fire to me
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LOL@people acting as if the US was the hardest turf on planet earth and all of Europe was on some wizard of oz shit.
who is that chick on your sig???
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I have no doubt that Dre will make sick shit at that point, how old was quincy jones when he stopped producing you know?
also, to me, dre never fell off....to ME, his whackest shit is his early 80s shit and pretty much everything since with a few exceptions is fire to me
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yeah thats true for the most part, but imo his shit in the 80's for N.W.A., The D.O.C. and Eazy is pretty sick, i listened to Straight Outta Compton just yesterday (the album) and it made me realize how dope he already was back then
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I have no doubt that Dre will make sick shit at that point, how old was quincy jones when he stopped producing you know?
also, to me, dre never fell off....to ME, his whackest shit is his early 80s shit and pretty much everything since with a few exceptions is fire to me
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yeah thats true for the most part, but imo his shit in the 80's for N.W.A., The D.O.C. and Eazy is pretty sick, i listened to Straight Outta Compton just yesterday (the album) and it made me realize how dope he already was back then
that's late 80s, i think that shit is hard as fuck too. anything N.W.A and after is sick. even in 86 his rodium mixtapes are :o. proof to me that even if he died in 87, he'd be a legend in LA as a DJ.
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i never have heard early 80's dre material, im not from that area so i doubt it would be easy to have access to these projects, if you got any songs or w/e can you hook me up with 1?
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i never have heard early 80's dre material, im not from that area so i doubt it would be easy to have access to these projects, if you got any songs or w/e can you hook me up with 1?
there's a grip of 'em in the ultimate dre archive
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aight props ima check it out then. 8) 8)
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LOL@people acting as if the US was the hardest turf on planet earth and all of Europe was on some wizard of oz shit.
who is that chick on your sig???
Autumn Reeser, formerly known as Taylor Townsend from the OC.
@topic: as far as Im informed 50 has a 4-solo-album deal with Aftermath/Shady. GRODT, Massacre, now the new one. So another album is bound to happen, which means another 2-3 years on the Math. Unless, of course, this is going to be a certified double-cd.
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^^ Its this album June 19th, Before I Self Destruct (already completed) February 4th and then a greatest hits cd.
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lol 50 making a GH off of 3 albums? hilarious if people buy [into] that
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Well its 4 albums and dont forget that 50 has a lot of shit on his other artists - Banks, Buck, Game, Yayo, Mobb Deep + GUnit group album and GRODT Ost (and another GUnit group album in the future)
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4 albums? are you trying to get smart with me? is there a rational possibility that he's going to put something from POTD on this? does he even own those tracks?
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GRODT
Massacre
Curts S.S.K.
Before I Self Destruct (drops Feb 4th 2008)
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wtf, I thought Before I Self Destruct was his next album, and he renamed it into Curtis S.S.K to show that Cam'ron hasn't hurt his feelings. So what is it about that?
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Thats 50. When they asked him if he did it because of Cam, he said "thats how my mom calls me."
But nah, he said he changed the concept for this album and decided that the concept for BISD is better suited for his 4th (final?) album.
BTW after that, Cam aslo changed the title for his new LP to Courtesy Curtis :D
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wow, i hope he doesn't do courtesy curtis for real, that's too much.
50 is good at coming smooth in his interviews, what can you really say to 'that's how my momma calls me'? you know?
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yeah a funny dude for sure haha