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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on April 13, 2007, 07:16:12 AM
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no matter how strong the religious beliefs of christians they never call their children jesus, in stark contrast to this muslims name half their children muhammad, when i lived in bournemouth i knew about 5 different muhammads i've never really understood this because muhammad is supposed to be so sacred to muslims doesn't giving people that name devalue that sacredness and also lead to situations where you may curse their name when they do something wrong.
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I don't think you are even allowed to name your kid Jesus in a western country, and you really shouldn't be. I don't know how it was back in the day, but I guess even back in the day when the Koran was written people in that region were called like that frequently... but I've never heard of anyone anywhere at anytime being called Jesus, except Jesus.
As far as Im informed that nigga wasn't even divine, while Jesus was, according to their beliefs at least.
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It's the most common first name in the world
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Jesus isn't too uncommon in the hispanic catholic world is it? Pronounced Hay-Zoos; I hear it every so often.
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^ Exactly. Jesus is very common in Latin America.
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no matter how strong the religious beliefs of christians they never call their children jesus, in stark contrast to this muslims name half their children muhammad, when i lived in bournemouth i knew about 5 different muhammads i've never really understood this because muhammad is supposed to be so sacred to muslims doesn't giving people that name devalue that sacredness and also lead to situations where you may curse their name when they do something wrong.
Muhammad isn't sacred, he was just a man like you and I, who was inspired by Allah to reveal the Qu'ran.
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no matter how strong the religious beliefs of christians they never call their children jesus, in stark contrast to this muslims name half their children muhammad, when i lived in bournemouth i knew about 5 different muhammads i've never really understood this because muhammad is supposed to be so sacred to muslims doesn't giving people that name devalue that sacredness and also lead to situations where you may curse their name when they do something wrong.
Muhammad isn't sacred, he was just a man like you and I, who was inspired by Allah to reveal the Qu'ran.
Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
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Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
Because he was inspired by Allah with the Qu'ran, and he was chosen by Allah to be a Prophet. He established Islam firmly in this world, and so people got upset when he was defamed in those pictures as a joke.
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Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
Because he was inspired by Allah with the Qu'ran, and he was chosen by Allah to be a Prophet. He established Islam firmly in this world, and so people got upset when he was defamed in those pictures as a joke.
I already answered the question. It was rhetorical. He clearly is sacred to many muslims and certainly isn't seen as;
just a man like you and I
Because if you were made fun of in cartoons no one would riot.
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Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
Because he was inspired by Allah with the Qu'ran, and he was chosen by Allah to be a Prophet. He established Islam firmly in this world, and so people got upset when he was defamed in those pictures as a joke.
I already answered the question. It was rhetorical. He clearly is sacred to many muslims and certainly isn't seen as;
just a man like you and I
Because if you were made fun of in cartoons no one would riot.
He is definitely not sacred. The reason why he is not sacred is that only the Creator is sacred. And if you study the teachings of all the Prophets you will find that they worshipped their Creator. And anything created can not be put on par with the Creator. The Prophets are the same as us, in that they are created human beings subservient to a higher power.
However, the Prophets are very special people. Because, today, we vote for people to be our leaders, or it is handed down through generations (kingdoms). But the Prophets were special people because they were chosen by Allah to be leaders of the people. Allah has selected some 400,000 people throughout time, to be Prophets and carry out the message of worshipping One God without partner, and doing righteous good deeds. We make no distinction amongst the Prophets.
Then, Allah has selected an even smaller number of people to be the followers of the Prophets. Which means we worship our Creator just as they worshipped the same Creator (Allah). The special prize that Allah gives man on this Earth is not money or material wealth, but it is believe in a higher power (Allah). Because if you know the value of material things, but you don't know the value of your own soul, then what good is it?
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Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
Because he was inspired by Allah with the Qu'ran, and he was chosen by Allah to be a Prophet. He established Islam firmly in this world, and so people got upset when he was defamed in those pictures as a joke.
I already answered the question. It was rhetorical. He clearly is sacred to many muslims and certainly isn't seen as;
just a man like you and I
Because if you were made fun of in cartoons no one would riot.
He is not sacred, he is a man. However, Allah selects a certain number of men to be Prophets. This is the highest level of achievement for a human. You can't go to the polls and vote for a Prophet. Nobody campaigned or went and voted for Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc. to be Prophets. It was Allah who chose them. Likewise, Allah only chooses a certain number of people to be the followers of Prophets and worship God alone without partners, and do righteous good deeds.
I'm not telling you what the religion says he is. I'm telling you that to many muslims he is seen as scared. According to Islam Jesus is a chosen prohet too. He is on the same level of achievement as Muhammad, yet you don't see muslims rioting or protesting when Jesus gets goofed on in imagery on TV every few days or so. Jesus is not seen as sacred by the same muslims that see Muhammad as sacred. I'm not telling you I know the reason for this. I'm just telling you it exists.
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Then why do people riot in the streets when someone draws a picture of him? He's clearly scared to a lot of muslims.
Because he was inspired by Allah with the Qu'ran, and he was chosen by Allah to be a Prophet. He established Islam firmly in this world, and so people got upset when he was defamed in those pictures as a joke.
I already answered the question. It was rhetorical. He clearly is sacred to many muslims and certainly isn't seen as;
just a man like you and I
Because if you were made fun of in cartoons no one would riot.
He is not sacred, he is a man. However, Allah selects a certain number of men to be Prophets. This is the highest level of achievement for a human. You can't go to the polls and vote for a Prophet. Nobody campaigned or went and voted for Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc. to be Prophets. It was Allah who chose them. Likewise, Allah only chooses a certain number of people to be the followers of Prophets and worship God alone without partners, and do righteous good deeds.
I'm not telling you what the religion says he is. I'm telling you that to many muslims he is seen as scared. According to Islam Jesus is a chosen prohet too. He is on the same level of achievement as Muhammad, yet you don't see muslims rioting or protesting when Jesus gets goofed on in imagery on TV every few days or so. Jesus is not seen as sacred by the same muslims that see Muhammad as sacred. I'm not telling you I know the reason for this. I'm just telling you it exists.
I just finished modifying my post above
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its just a name dawg, why can't a muslim or a non muslim cat call his son muhammad? i mean i really do not know the reason for this thread, don rizzle is a intelligent cat and he knows i got luv for cat(nuttin "homo", y'all know what i mean) but is this a thread just made to diss someones religion or ability in naming there son? i know you better than this rizzle my nizzle, lol
i know nuff cats whoz name is jesus....great name
pz
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My take on all those protests is that before the cartoon being published, Muslims fellt like they were/are purposely being targeted around the world by the media and the military, like 'bombing our bretheren overseas and arranging them in naked shit stained human pyramids, now they got the nerve to kick us while we are down and claim artistic liberty?' The cartoon understandably just pushed some people to the edge.
Muhammad was a man, so you can give a man that name.
So that we remember he was just a man, we should not characterise him.
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My take on all those protests is that before the cartoon being published, Muslims fellt like they were/are purposely being targeted around the world by the media and the military, like 'bombing our bretheren overseas and arranging them in naked shit stained human pyramids, now they got the nerve to kick us while we are down and claim artistic liberty?' The cartoon understandably just pushed some people to the edge.
Muhammad was a man, so you can give a man that name.
So that we remember he was just a man, we should not characterise him.
Yes but, if the muslims that rioted did not think he was sacred then they wouldn't have rioted, or they would have rioted any time any muslim is portrayed like an evil being or any prophet is represented in picture. I'm not saying that Islam teaches that Muhammad is scared or should be treated as such, but anyone that denies the absolute fact that backwoods muslims believe him to be sacred (just like backwoods American nuts believe the flag and to an extent the president is sacred) is simply not being honest with themselves or not thinking it through, like the arab muslim world is immune to the mass stupidity that plagues the rest of the world. This doesn't mean all or most think he's scared, just like not all or most Americans think the flag is sacred, but a lot of, a lot of muslims think he's sacred.
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its just a name dawg, why can't a muslim or a non muslim cat call his son muhammad? i mean i really do not know the reason for this thread, don rizzle is a intelligent cat and he knows i got luv for cat(nuttin "homo", y'all know what i mean) but is this a thread just made to diss someones religion or ability in naming there son? i know you better than this rizzle my nizzle, lol
i know nuff cats whoz name is jesus....great name
pz
it was a genuine question and not intended to cause offense to anyone, i have never met a man called jesus but i've met a ton of muhammads' and it just got me wondering. I don't see anything wrong with bringing up this topic, there are a number of muslims on this board who I hoped could answer this for me.
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^^^i feel you dawg
i do think though if a muslim cat is gon name there son muhammad after their prophet....messenger?.....u know, like jesus is to christians.....and not just as a name you like, i'm sure you gon make sure you bring that kid up right or try cuz dang, thats a burden on your son in terms of a name to live up to!
i know a few muhammad to now that i think of it still....like 3....they just normal good cats....i got love for everyone, haha
pz!
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My take on all those protests is that before the cartoon being published, Muslims fellt like they were/are purposely being targeted around the world by the media and the military, like 'bombing our bretheren overseas and arranging them in naked shit stained human pyramids, now they got the nerve to kick us while we are down and claim artistic liberty?' The cartoon understandably just pushed some people to the edge.
Muhammad was a man, so you can give a man that name.
So that we remember he was just a man, we should not characterise him.
I'm not saying that Islam teaches that Muhammad is scared or should be treated as such, but anyone that denies the absolute fact that backwoods muslims believe him to be sacred (just like backwoods American nuts believe the flag and to an extent the president is sacred) is simply not being honest with themselves or not thinking it through, like the arab muslim world is immune to the mass stupidity that plagues the rest of the world.
Sure, some Muslims do treat the Prophet as sacred and inadvertably worship him and such ignorance can be seen across the social spectrum.
I think we can all agree that everybody is stupid in various ways.
In Australia inciting a group to violence is a crime of sedition. I still think the cartoon boardered on inciting violence considering the timing of its publishing and its context within current world events, for instance somebody burning the US flag at the site of ground zero would be stomped to death and a judge would probably consider that the burner was purposely inciting hatred.
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My take on all those protests is that before the cartoon being published, Muslims fellt like they were/are purposely being targeted around the world by the media and the military, like 'bombing our bretheren overseas and arranging them in naked shit stained human pyramids, now they got the nerve to kick us while we are down and claim artistic liberty?' The cartoon understandably just pushed some people to the edge.
Muhammad was a man, so you can give a man that name.
So that we remember he was just a man, we should not characterise him.
I'm not saying that Islam teaches that Muhammad is scared or should be treated as such, but anyone that denies the absolute fact that backwoods muslims believe him to be sacred (just like backwoods American nuts believe the flag and to an extent the president is sacred) is simply not being honest with themselves or not thinking it through, like the arab muslim world is immune to the mass stupidity that plagues the rest of the world.
Sure, some Muslims do treat the Prophet as sacred and inadvertably worship him and such ignorance can be seen across the social spectrum.
I think we can all agree that everybody is stupid in various ways.
In Australia inciting a group to violence is a crime of sedition. I still think the cartoon boardered on inciting violence considering the timing of its publishing and its context within current world events, for instance somebody burning the US flag at the site of ground zero would be stomped to death and a judge would probably consider that the burner was purposely inciting hatred.
That's exactly what I said. I never said this type of stupidity was unique to the arab world.
As for the context of the cartoon. There was a greater evil at work that most people either ignore or cannot see. The muslim leaders that insinuated the reaction are agents of Satan. The knew the exact reaction they'd get and they chose to follow through with it anyway. Many of them were educated men, imams, community leaders. They chose to bring to light a cartoon that would incite riots, months afer it was actually published. They waited for the right time to unleash it. When a Christian reverend of pastor does something like that I call him a faithless heathen and an enemy of Christ because he preys on the weak hearts and minds of the masses to fulfill his agenda. How any Christian or Muslim can support men like that with in their own faith whn it is a disservice to the faith they are trying to protect is beyond me.
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The muslim leaders that insinuated the reaction are agents of Satan. The knew the exact reaction they'd get and they chose to follow through with it anyway. Many of them were educated men, imams, community leaders. [/quote]
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well the dutch fuck who actually created the cartoon is a fuckwit too, journalists usually got a political science degree, I wouldn't just blame the angry muzzo leaders.
We all got a little anti-christ in urz.
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The muslim leaders that insinuated the reaction are agents of Satan. The knew the exact reaction they'd get and they chose to follow through with it anyway. Many of them were educated men, imams, community leaders.
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well the dutch fuck who actually created the cartoon is a fuckwit too, journalists usually got a political science degree, I wouldn't just blame the angry muzzo leaders.
We all got a little anti-christ in urz.
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There'sa difference. Cartoonists like that aren't righteous men, or suppsed to righteous men. When a man of faith, Christian or Muslim incites chaos it's worse. The cartoonists job is to create contraversey. An Imam or Pastor's job is preach and protect what is good. And starting riots is not good. Clearly we should expect more from the supposed good than we should from the supposed tricksters. For people that have seen the light and chosen to walk in the darkness is much worse than people that have never seen the light, and don't claimto see it.
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Good point. You'd expect to expect more, from the supposed good, but those expectations of goodness can be dangerous and decieving to yourself anyway, I place no expectations on anybody, everybody is a potential scumbag or angel ninja in my eyes. Jesus thought everybody capable of salvation, regardless of profession, from the High Priests collecting money at the temple door right to the dirty dirty dirty dirty whores working the streets.
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Good point. You'd expect to expect more, from the supposed good, but those expectations of goodness can be dangerous and decieving to yourself anyway, I place no expectations on anybody, everybody is a potential scumbag or angel ninja in my eyes. Jesus thought everybody capable of salvation, regardless of profession, from the High Priests collecting money at the temple door right to the dirty dirty dirty dirty whores working the streets.
Of course, I mean I don't look to pastors or imams for what is good. That can only come from God. I guess what I was trying to say is that people in general garner certain levels of respect or lack of respect based on the titles they place on themselves or choose to adopt. A school guidance counselor attempting to molest a young student is worse than a homeless crackhead doing the same. People put trust into people in certain positions and when they take advantage of that trust it can be devastating. If an 8 year old girl is raped by her principal everyone thinks "I can't believe that man was allowed to be in a school", if the same eight year old girl is raped in the middle of the night by an ex-con rapist in the bad part of town most people would wonder what kind of parents would let their daughter out to be exposed to that. It's like I don't care when Khalid Mohammed or Farakhan spew their hatred, because they have built their rep on that stuff. If Barack Obama said the same things they said it wouldn't fly with me, as in I wouldn't suggest anyone should vote for him, but I have no problem watching and admiring the charisma ad communication skills of Khalid, I just know he is possesed by demons and doing the devil's work.
The cartoonist and people like him are the ex-con, while imams and pastors are trusted members of the community. No one puts any trust in smut peddlers and thus they should be ignored, instead those imams that spread it months after it was published used it as a tool to convince the most trusting and naive that it was a government and public sponsored attack on Islam and their prohet. They abused that trust. Much like Al Aharpton and Jesse Jackson do here. Or those lunatic reverends in the white south did to help the Klan spread. It's disgusting and it goes against basic morality.
If the every day people banded together and banned these viruses from their community it would greatly change society.