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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jome on April 16, 2007, 09:39:32 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html :o :o :o
Chief: At least 20 dead in campus shootings
POSTED: 12:32 p.m. EDT, April 16, 2007
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• NEW: Police chief says at least 20 people are dead, some of them students
• University reporting that a suspected shooter is in custody, another sought
• AP: 1 dead, 1 wounded in first reported shooting on Virginia Tech campus
• Student describes situation as "mayhem"; says 2 students jumped from window
(CNN) -- The Virginia Tech Police Chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning.
"Some victims were shot in a classroom," Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.
President Charles Steger called the shootings "a tragedy of monumental proportions."
A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries. Sharon Honaker at the Carilion New River Valley Medical Center told CNN that four patients had been transported there, one in critical condition.
One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, an engineering building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene Video)
The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.
Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."
The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele.
Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.
"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.
Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.
"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.
Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs Video)
"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."
Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.
The university is updating its 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.
The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.
After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.
"A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows," read a warning from the university.
"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.
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Columbine pt. 2? :o
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I would never want to go to a suburban school.
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supposedly the killer was looking for his gf, and lined up a bunch of students and just started mowin them down. 22 dead, 21 wounded. the gunman is killed already.
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R.I.P.
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What a fucking dipshit. Not again...
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Unbelievable shit....I'm watching CNN, right now they're saying 29 dead.
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Well my prayers go to dem, can't even go to school to educate yourself no more.
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Surely after the previous school massacres, certain senior teachers should have been entrusted to keep a weapon on the premises in a secure box, so that they could have averted this massacre. This went on for over 4 hours from what I am hearing and yet no one actually did anything, SWAT never stormed in, I was just listening to a radio interview with a uni student at the campus and he said the cops were hiding behind trees and the SWAT were just in position waiting...waiting for what?. Instead though a great many americans will see this as a reason to ban guns ::)
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Unbelievable shit....I'm watching CNN, right now they're saying 29 dead.
32 dead is the newest number.
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^^^ The man being arrested is definitley the shooter?
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From what has been said the shooter killed himself, the man being arrested is probably apart of the normal protocol to arrest people coming out of the building.
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Wonder what type of gun was used?
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Damn. 30 dead is much more when Marilyn Manson and Doom(the pc game) killed students in 1999. I wonder who was trigger happy this time.
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From what has been said the shooter killed himself, the man being arrested is probably apart of the normal protocol to arrest people coming out of the building.
At least one article I've read indicates the shooter was an Asian male, so they probably went around handcuffing Asian dudes coming out of the building.
Weapons used were reportedly a 9-mm handgun and a Deuce-Deuce.
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@gimme yourshoes lol @ marilyn manson killing students
but this is some ill shit...32 dead!
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they had this girl being interviewed about it on the news and she had a big grin on her face I dunno if i'd be smiling if30 of my feloow students had just been shot
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Largest mass murder in US history >:( 2 hour time laspe between the 1st shooting, and school was not put on lock down after the 1st shooting.
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2 hour time laspe between the 1st shooting, and school was not put on lock down after the 1st shooting.
fuckin crazy ....
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Its 33 now
R.I.P
A girl in my 7th period got hit by a car on Thursday night in Ventura on a field trip and died on Friday, I talked to her that thursday too.
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From what has been said the shooter killed himself, the man being arrested is probably apart of the normal protocol to arrest people coming out of the building.
At least one article I've read indicates the shooter was an Asian male, so they probably went around handcuffing Asian dudes coming out of the building.
Weapons used were reportedly a 9-mm handgun and a Deuce-Deuce.
Aren't you glad he took those devils out?
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I live like 35-40 minutes from the VT campus, no idea why anyone would do shit like this.
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Aren't you glad he took those devils out?
Were they ALL white?
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Aren't you glad he took those devils out?
Were they ALL white?
Yes.
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Yes.
OK.
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
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By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
exactly wtf i was thinkin,your gonna die anyway....but i wasn't in the situation so who knows what you would do until your in a similar situation.
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shit is fucked up 2 the max
r.i.p. 2 all but the crazy fuck who did it
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It's nuts, people jumping out of windows and shit what a shame.
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once again, only in america. I heard dude is probably a marine or something, he was wearing marine's clothes
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once again, only in america. I heard dude is probably a marine or something, he was wearing marine's clothes
Where did they show the shooter? It's been confirmed that he's dead, and I haven't seen a picture released yet.
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
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once again, only in america. I heard dude is probably a marine or something, he was wearing marine's clothes
Where did they show the shooter? It's been confirmed that he's dead, and I haven't seen a picture released yet.
he had no i.d. on him and he left himself unidentifiable from shooting himself
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
gunz make u a bigger man
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Listen you simple minded twisted racist piece of shit who are you to denounce anyone! can you not put 2 and 2 together, which bit am I wrong on? are you saying it doesn't look even the slightest bit suspicious? are you saying that the anti gun congress crowd will not swarm all over this? are you going to add anything constructive to what you said probably not. ::) I think if most people read what you just replied so ridiculously to, they would come to the conclusion that what I said was not some out there conspiracy!
There were numerous bomb threats in the last week according to witness matt kazee a student at the campus
There was a recent shooting
There was a big time delay between the beginning of the murders to when the students in campus were alerted
The cops were on high alert anyway because of the previous incidents
The cops stood down...well geez yeah that is such a conspracy they didn't storm the building because presumably they were told not to you dumb fuck ffs
In the state of virginia you can obtain a concealed weapons licence and it had been called into questioning the legal grounds of the campus not adhering to state rights. As a result the people were left defenceless!
Taking away the gun rights of law abiding people leaves them at the mercy of these nuts, again this is just common sense
Regarding the comparison to prisons, the cameras in the bathroom is going in nationwide....the barbed around the school and biometric scanning to get in and out are you seriously suggesting that politicians will not push for that, are you seriously that stupid??
Shortly after Columbine new legislation was introduced and the anti gun crowd were empowered, watch in the next week or so as suddenly new legislation will be passed which was either in the pipeline anyway and was struggling to get passed or some new legislation.
i can not break it down for you any simpler than that, if your mind was not so full of some sick fantasy where you get to kill white people with impunity you would have grasped what i was saying by now.
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honestly... i cant say that im shocked... maybe usa should have strict rules against weapons instead of having weapon-stores behind each corner. how come this doesn't hapen in any other country in the world (except for germany off course)?
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
LOL
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
You REALLY need to get laid.
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If that response was directed towards me, then do you know how utterly stupid and dumb that comment is. The facts are still the facts seemingly of course you obviously don't give a shit about the facts, which is fine you obviously love your own ignorance, seemingly of course you laughed when you saw the military commissions bill also...oh that's right you probably havent even got a clue what that is either lol. By the way not that it's any of your damn business but my girlfriend is very ill right now, getting laid is the last thing on my mind.
V, that was directed at the confused racist kid, not you.
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Shit, sorry man :-[ ive removed my message, my own fault for being too hasty
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Shit, sorry man :-[ ive removed my message, my own fault for being too hasty
No worries man. 8)
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that was the dumbest article I've ever read.. it didn't even mention why all this was happening.. all this media attention and I still don't know... infact.. I still don't even know what the Timothy McViegh and Columbine thing was about
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that was the dumbest article I've ever read.. it didn't even mention why all this was happening.. all this media attention and I still don't know... infact.. I still don't even know what the Timothy McViegh and Columbine thing was about
Thing is nobody really knows what the reason was yet. A student said the shooter was looking 4 his girlfriend, but who knows. More stuff about this will probably come up in the next couple of days.
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Virtuoso - I agree that this is going to get some debates going on gun control / video survellience and things like that. Shit like this always does. When I was in high school and school shootings started happening, and there were many copycats (started in like 96-97). I know it resulted in some schools getting metal detectors, requiring clear backpacks, video cameras, and even police officers on campus during the day. I can imagine that if I went to a school where two fuckheads walked in and started blowing the heads off of my class mates I'd probably be pretty shook. Prolly shook enough to be ok with those new security standards.
We also had bomb threats, and kids that got notes confiscated that talked about walking in and shooting people. But neither ever happened at my school.
Do you believe that those shootings were orchestrated as well? Does anything ever just happen, or is everything in the world a carefully manipulated political move?
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Virtuoso - I agree that this is going to get some debates going on gun control / video survellience and things like that. Shit like this always does. When I was in high school and school shootings started happening, and there were many copycats (started in like 96-97). I know it resulted in some schools getting metal detectors, requiring clear backpacks, video cameras, and even police officers on campus during the day. I can imagine that if I went to a school where two fuckheads walked in and started blowing the heads off of my class mates I'd probably be pretty shook. Prolly shook enough to be ok with those new security standards.
We also had bomb threats, and kids that got notes confiscated that talked about walking in and shooting people. But neither ever happened at my school.
Do you believe that those shootings were orchestrated as well? Does anything ever just happen, or is everything in the world a carefully manipulated political move?
I think the first shooting in the dorm was planned out, after that he may have just gone nuts.
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honestly... i cant say that im shocked... maybe usa should have strict rules against weapons instead of having weapon-stores behind each corner. how come this doesn't hapen in any other country in the world (except for germany off course)?
Because that country was founded with that mentality, it's in the constitution. You can't change the mentality of powerful countrys like usa unless something terrible that touch every citizens happen. If every american father had lost a kid in a shoot out, guns would probably be illegal, but it's a minority who get that. It's just like that, i even suspect the average american to take pleasure in these situation. In their narrow mind those act will justify something wicked. But reality is, it's money over life, every where on earth, on different levels. Just wait until C walker (real american) post in this thread, i can predict he's gonna say it's the fault of liberals, or blacks, or muslims, or asians, or something else, not the fault of the great american way of life which is perfect.
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Jrome I know there are many question marks about columbine namely They had over a 100 bombs, beyond the question of how they acquired them, some of these bombs weighed more than 6 stones (100lbs) how did they get these into the school unnoticed
over 100 of the eyewitnesses reported 3 assailants and yet this seems to have been ignored.
With regards to this incident it could be some nut but the fact that no one was alerted for such a lengthy time is very suspicious, why the SWAT were not told to storm the building is at the very least bizarre.
Beyond that though, let's say that the police action was incompetent it resonates a very telling and underlying message the police can not protect the people, also the campus had a gun ban so the students and teachers are left defenceless while this nut head runs around murdering people
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Virtuoso - I agree that this is going to get some debates going on gun control / video survellience and things like that. Shit like this always does. When I was in high school and school shootings started happening, and there were many copycats (started in like 96-97). I know it resulted in some schools getting metal detectors, requiring clear backpacks, video cameras, and even police officers on campus during the day. I can imagine that if I went to a school where two fuckheads walked in and started blowing the heads off of my class mates I'd probably be pretty shook. Prolly shook enough to be ok with those new security standards.
We also had bomb threats, and kids that got notes confiscated that talked about walking in and shooting people. But neither ever happened at my school.
Do you believe that those shootings were orchestrated as well? Does anything ever just happen, or is everything in the world a carefully manipulated political move?
I think the first shooting in the dorm was planned out, after that he may have just gone nuts.
I meant masterminded by the government, which is what Virtuoso was eluding to.
Jrome I know there are many question marks about columbine namely They had over a 100 bombs, beyond the question of how they acquired them, some of these bombs weighed more than 6 stones (100lbs) how did they get these into the school unnoticed
over 100 of the eyewitnesses reported 3 assailants and yet this seems to have been ignored.
1) 100lbs isn't that much weight. I can bench press over twice that amount. It could have been carried, wheeled, or even assembled then and there. As long as shit is covered up it's nothin.
2) So are you saying that all 100 eyewitnesses have been silenced? But I honestly don't remember hearing anything about that, can you direct me to somewhere that discusses that?
With regards to this incident it could be some nut but the fact that no one was alerted for such a lengthy time is very suspicious, why the SWAT were not told to storm the building is at the very least bizarre.
Beyond that though, let's say that the police action was incompetent it resonates a very telling and underlying message the police can not protect the people, also the campus had a gun ban so the students and teachers are left defenceless while this nut head runs around murdering people
I'll need to hear all the facts regarding how the police action went down. I seriously doubt they were standing around kickin it while people were getting killed. There's a fine line between gathering sufficient information, being properly prepared, and acting appropriately and accordingly. Any glich in any of those and the situation could escalate to an even bigger tragedy. It's very high pressure situation that you or I will likely never understand.
Incompetence is likely to some extent. But in a situation like this, even if only one person dies, there is gonna be scrutiny on those involved. In regards to your mentioning the underlying message that the police can't protect the people I think is somewhat contradictory. On one hand, you'll complain that America is a surveillance state, but then you'll chastise police for not reacting quick enough. You can't have it both ways.
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a .22 and .9 ?? wow, this muthafuca was clowning! killing over 30 people with lil toys and shit... I know at least a dozen people that have gotten shot with a duece duece once or twice in their life, those bullets rarely cause a fatal damage unless they really hit the right spot.. he must've been gettin alot of head shots in.. this is unbelievable. There's gotta be more to this shit.. how did they let a shooter run up in a school blastin with lil guns 2 hours after the initial shooting? this is some shit.
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/columbineeight.php that has the comments from the eyewitnesses, I never said they had been silenced I said it seems like a 100 eye witnesses have been ignored or their views discounted. I wasn't calling into question someones ability to lift 100lbs, but it's still a lot of weight and a lot of bombs to be hauling around. I wasn't suggesting that the police couldn't care less I am saying what the eyewitnesses were saying, the police were on the scene for hours and yet did not storm the building. It would be be different in a hostage situation but we are talking about a campus which had recived at least 4 bombs threats in the last 7 days, had already been victim to a previous shooting and of course and the eye witnesses have confirmed that this murdering had been going on for hours. You mention any glitch in the planning but this is a person who is running riot with a gun, the order is simple it should have been to take down this threat. There is nothing contradictary about the last pont I conveyed, the police state violates peoples civil rights but by doing so it's meant to protect the people or that is what the advocates of a police state will tell you and yet this is the perfect example of how firstly the people are left completely defenceless and then the cops did nothing anyway.
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
You REALLY need to get laid.
I do? I'm not the one who devotes my life to conspiracy theories. And I just KNOW that neither you nor your British crackhead friend have gotten laid, either, ya faggot fuck, so stop lying.
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Jibes coming from someone who has perverted fantasies about getting to kill as many white people as he wants and has to continue repeating these same desire over and over again presumbaly because you get some sexual kick out of it, Yet you also seem to be greatly confused seeing as though you live in england where gun ownership is basically illegal so your fantasies are just that that....fantasies!!! nothing that a good psychotherapist could not sort out though I bet. You are are already utterly stupid and clueless therefore don't worry about the effects that psychotrophic drugs will have on yourself because you wouldn't consciously notice the difference anyway.
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Jibes coming from someone who has perverted fantasies about getting to kill as many white people as he wants and has to continue repeating these same desire over and over again presumbaly because you get some sexual kick out of it, Yet you also seem to be greatly confused seeing as though you live in england where gun ownership is basically illegal so your fantasies are just that that....fantasies!!! nothing that a good psychotherapist could not sort out though I bet. You are are already utterly stupid and clueless therefore don't worry about the effects that psychotrophic drugs will have on yourself because you wouldn't consciously notice the difference anyway.
I don't live in England permanently, I was just here to train a certain well-known group of athletes and also to supply arms to the CIRA and RIRA. Also, I don't give a shit about gun laws...I can get weapons any time I want. Remember, I am GOD.
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Damn. I heard it here first. Poor kids, so terrible. Again.
Why dosnt US govt bring in some tighter control? Regulations? Something! (but not a total ban, incase of the Anti-Christ poppin off)
After the Martin Bryant massacre (over 30 dead too, mostly tourists) here, we got rid of automatics, but you can still own hand guns.
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the strange part is how he managed to line up a bunch of guys and shoot them one by one... like somebody already said... if i knew i was about to die, i wouldnt just stand there and wait for the bullet.
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horrific.
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Damn. I heard it here first. Poor kids, so terrible. Again.
Why dosnt US govt bring in some tighter control? Regulations? Something! (but not a total ban, incase of the Anti-Christ poppin off)
After the Martin Bryant massacre (over 30 dead too, mostly tourists) here, we got rid of automatics, but you can still own hand guns.
Gun control won't stop crazy fucks like this Korean kid. The US could ban all fire arms completely and all that will come of it is an even stronger black market. The kid would still get a gun illegally and still go crazy. When a crazy person gets the idea to go killing you can't precent it with any laws. You just have to shoot him before he shoots anyone else.
Most gun murders are committed by people that obtained a gun illegally anyway. The anti-gun law nuts like Rosie O'Donnell just aren't being realistic. Banning guns will work about as well as banning drugs like coke and heroin did. I'd love to see a world with out guns and destructive weapons but I know that banning them now won't change anything. It'll just create an illegal industry.
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This is tragic news!!!
RIP!
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Jibes coming from someone who has perverted fantasies about getting to kill as many white people as he wants and has to continue repeating these same desire over and over again presumbaly because you get some sexual kick out of it, Yet you also seem to be greatly confused seeing as though you live in england where gun ownership is basically illegal so your fantasies are just that that....fantasies!!! nothing that a good psychotherapist could not sort out though I bet. You are are already utterly stupid and clueless therefore don't worry about the effects that psychotrophic drugs will have on yourself because you wouldn't consciously notice the difference anyway.
I don't live in England permanently, I was just here to train a certain well-known group of athletes and also to supply arms to the CIRA and RIRA. Also, I don't give a shit about gun laws...I can get weapons any time I want. Remember, I am GOD.
Your comedic value is not lost on us, white boy. ;D
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Damn. I heard it here first. Poor kids, so terrible. Again.
Why dosnt US govt bring in some tighter control? Regulations? Something! (but not a total ban, incase of the Anti-Christ poppin off)
After the Martin Bryant massacre (over 30 dead too, mostly tourists) here, we got rid of automatics, but you can still own hand guns.
Gun control won't stop crazy fucks like this Korean kid. The US could ban all fire arms completely and all that will come of it is an even stronger black market. The kid would still get a gun illegally and still go crazy. When a crazy person gets the idea to go killing you can't precent it with any laws. You just have to shoot him before he shoots anyone else.
Most gun murders are committed by people that obtained a gun illegally anyway. The anti-gun law nuts like Rosie O'Donnell just aren't being realistic. Banning guns will work about as well as banning drugs like coke and heroin did. I'd love to see a world with out guns and destructive weapons but I know that banning them now won't change anything. It'll just create an illegal industry.
Obtaining a gun illegally isn't the same thing as illegal origin. All guns used in shootings start out legal and purchased legally by someone else, before being resold illegally.
We know for sure that the Glock pistol used by this kid was purchased legally.
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This story is going to get sensationalized and blown out of proportion to make our society an even more paranoid and suspicious one. It's just one incident. If you look at it from a world and historical perspective, it is not as big of a deal. Because of this, Colleges will be turned into prison's with camera's, medal detectors, searches, and all people will be put under suspicion.
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^ America ain't the rest of the world though, this is a big deal. America is supposed to be organized and civilized. The pigs should've stopped this guy in the 2 hours they had to lock the school down. This is the biggest school shooting ever, it is no joke. The school shooting thing is just getting worse and worse. And it was in a respected college at that, one of the most famous and brightest schools in the country for higher education. 30 of the smartest people in this nation got smoked just for the fuck of it. This isn't supposed to happen in the so-called leader of the world, feel me? And if you know anything about guns, you'd know this story is unbelievable. Taking out 33 people and shooting another 30 with a .22 and .9 is outta this world. The columbine kids had techs and some real shit they was shooting with. Homicide rates in the murder capitals of the nation like Oakland in 1 year is around 100. This cat just took out 1/3 of that in 1 day, in fuckin virginia out of all places. To the world it ain't a big deal, but for America's standards, it's huge.
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the strange part is how he managed to line up a bunch of guys and shoot them one by one... like somebody already said... if i knew i was about to die, i wouldnt just stand there and wait for the bullet.
For real. I don't know, how could you stand there knowing you about to get shot?
Hard situation.
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It's crazy how he could reload all those times and carry around all those bullets and shit. Beyond me.
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damn, R.I.P.
i dont understand how this can happen in college, highschool maybe....some people get bullied and feel like they have no other way out.....but college? its so anonymous, you can hang out with whoever you want and noone gives a fuck, you cant be popular because theres litterally thousands of people at the school who have no idea who you are.
those people are fucked up, if you decide you need to kill your girlfriend....at least have a plan for it, try to poison her or somethin, dont go on a random rampage and kill 30+ innocent people, no wonder she dumped your ass
anyone from that area? call in a bomb threat at his funeral
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America is supposed to be organized and civilized.
George Bernard Shaw said that America is the first society to go from barbarism to decadence without going through civilization first.
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DAT NIGGA SHOULDA JOINED DA RED DEVILZ INSTEAD OF JUST BLASTIN A BUNCKH OF WHITEYS HOLLA
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Tha Shooter
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23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui of Centreville, Virginia
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And if you know anything about guns, you'd know this story is unbelievable. Taking out 33 people and shooting another 30 with a .22 and .9 is outta this world. The columbine kids had techs and some real shit they was shooting with.
The main gun he used was a Glock-19, which holds 15 rounds in the clip (17 if he had Glock-17 mags in it, which it is capable of taking). With everyone in one place, barred from escape, I don't think it's all that hard for him to have killed all those people. My guess is that he used the .22 as backup while he was reloading to prevent anyone from trying to overpower him.
As far as the Columbine kids, TEC-9s are junk, they jam almost every other shot. The security cameras actually show that the TEC they used jammed repeatedly and that the kid using it eventually just stopped using it because of this. They used shotguns to do most of the killing, as well as the semi-automatic rifle one of them was carrying.
It's not so unbelievable. Although the politically correct media won't tell you about this, I shot 35 Dipset crackers once. The weapon I used was a .45-caliber H&K USP fitted with 12-round clips. I was able to kill them all rather easily with just that one weapon, even though I had to reload. Of course, I prefer to use Kalashnikovs and AR-15s, but I made good with what I had. Why? Because I am Blackman, I am GOD.
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So for over 2 hours, they did not warn all the students on campus, the place was swarming with cops anyway courtesy of a previous shooting and the numerous bomb threats that week and yet the cops are told to stand down. This is looking incredibly suspicious right now and what's the betting new gun legislation follows very shortly? Strip the students or anyone on campus of their rights to have carry a concealed gun or at least have a gun in a safe place on storage, order the average cop to just wait around instead of shooting that crazy fuck, allow the carnage to go on for 4 hours and then bring forth the solution that guns are evil and so we must take them from the lawful peaceful people. Whicj has the effect of further empowering crazy nuts like this case has shown. I am sure this will be used as the pretext for campuses to resemble prisons now also, right across the board....cameras in bathrooms, barbed wire everywhere around the campus, biometic scans to get in and out of the building it's just unbelievable. By the way there was reports that he literally lined people up against the wall and took them out one after another, I am not incredibly brave but why the hell didn't the people in the room rush him? If you know that by doing nothing you will be executed surely it's better to die fighting?
Shut the fuck up with the conspiracy bullshit before I use my 2nd Amendment rights to put a .50 caliber round in your dome from a mile away with my Barret Light Fifty, ya British faggot.
You REALLY need to get laid.
I do? I'm not the one who devotes my life to conspiracy theories. And I just KNOW that neither you nor your British crackhead friend have gotten laid, either, ya faggot fuck, so stop lying.
So you admit to not getting laid?
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Damn. I heard it here first. Poor kids, so terrible. Again.
Why dosnt US govt bring in some tighter control? Regulations? Something! (but not a total ban, incase of the Anti-Christ poppin off)
After the Martin Bryant massacre (over 30 dead too, mostly tourists) here, we got rid of automatics, but you can still own hand guns.
Gun control won't stop crazy fucks like this Korean kid. The US could ban all fire arms completely and all that will come of it is an even stronger black market. The kid would still get a gun illegally and still go crazy. When a crazy person gets the idea to go killing you can't precent it with any laws. You just have to shoot him before he shoots anyone else.
Most gun murders are committed by people that obtained a gun illegally anyway. The anti-gun law nuts like Rosie O'Donnell just aren't being realistic. Banning guns will work about as well as banning drugs like coke and heroin did. I'd love to see a world with out guns and destructive weapons but I know that banning them now won't change anything. It'll just create an illegal industry.
Obtaining a gun illegally isn't the same thing as illegal origin. All guns used in shootings start out legal and purchased legally by someone else, before being resold illegally.
We know for sure that the Glock pistol used by this kid was purchased legally.
Yeah because they are legal now. If they were to become illegal then it would become completely black market. People would import them and sell them or they will be bought on the internet. It couldn't be stopped in the end. Crazy people like Cho will obtain them and use them. It's only a matter of how easy it will be to get them.
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shit is sad! r.i.p to the student
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This story is going to get sensationalized and blown out of proportion to make our society an even more paranoid and suspicious one. It's just one incident. If you look at it from a world and historical perspective, it is not as big of a deal. Because of this, Colleges will be turned into prison's with camera's, medal detectors, searches, and all people will be put under suspicion.
Congrats your officially a bitch...of course the media is going to do what they do best,sensationalize. However you to basically ignore the situation and downplay it as an ordinary everyday occurrence is bitch-made. If Colleges will be turned into 'prison's with camera's, metal detectors, searches' its because of psychopaths like this waste of skin.
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Yeah because they are legal now. If they were to become illegal then it would become completely black market. People would import them and sell them or they will be bought on the internet. It couldn't be stopped in the end. Crazy people like Cho will obtain them and use them. It's only a matter of how easy it will be to get them.
Word. But look at other countries that got strict gun laws, they manage it why can't the US?
Personnally, if I lived in the US I would have a gun. I can't imagine the US not having guns, it seems apart of it's character/money money get tha bigger crew, etc
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So you admit to not getting laid?
No, I did not say that. Virtuoso implied it, however, if you read his post.
Yeah because they are legal now. If they were to become illegal then it would become completely black market. People would import them and sell them or they will be bought on the internet. It couldn't be stopped in the end. Crazy people like Cho will obtain them and use them. It's only a matter of how easy it will be to get them.
Except that doesn't seem to be happening in European countries where guns are much harder to get, does it? I'm one of the only arms smugglers operating in England right now, and even I can't sell to everyone, plus my weapons are so expensive that only well-funded terrorist organizations (such as the CIRA and RIRA, whom I've done much business with) can afford them.
Cho was some fuckin Asian nerd, not a mafioso. I highly doubt he'd have black market connections or anything of the sort. And besides, black markets are fed by legal markets. Every gun starts out legal from some place, usually a gun store in the case of the U.S. If legal sources are less accessible for criminals and psychos, then it'll be much, much harder, to the point of being almost impossible, for them to obtain weapons.
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I am on Blackman's side on this one, Shallow. In most "civilized" countries it is just weird as fuck to own a gun. I have never even seen a gun in my entire life, except for in the holster of a peaceful police officer. If any decent person around here carries around a gun, it's just odd. It's just not what people do. That being said, the cultural acceptance plays a great role, it's not just about easier destribution. For me a gun is just something I know from movies, computer games and shit. It's not a part or an issue of my everyday life whatsoever. I don't even think of guns on an average day. But in a country in which it is perfectly normal to have serveral guns as a decent person, people rather pull a gun - and not just because it is easier to obtain one.
Also, destribution is an issue too, to me it would just be too much of a hassle to get one illegally (obviously, getting one illegally in Europe is much much harder than getting one illegally in the US) and to learn how to use it, learn how to shoot. I couldn't just go out with it and shoot at some cans or whatever in the forest because that would just be weird lol. I wouldn't know who to ask about it. It's just not what people do. It would be hella suspicious, too, unlike in the US, a "civilized" and economically advanced country that is all over guns, for reasons I hope I will never fully understand.
Furthermore, there is no room to argue, certain types of guns are just flat out designed to kill people. They are *not* designed for artful aim-shooting, or to hunt or to go to war. They are designed to kill people in an everyday environment. That's just crazy. I don't understand why decent people have those types of things.
I am absolutely sure that it is better for a society to not have guns around everywhere. The problem with the US is, that people are just way too used to it, and they would feel as if something lacks as soon as guns would be "prohibited"... that and the fact that the pro-guns-for-retards lobbies like the NRA are way too powerful.
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^^^^ Actually, 7even, what you don't understand is that I support gun control because I want everyone to be disarmed. Even though most people (or criminals) can't get guns when they're illegal, I can. If all the white people are disarmed, it will make it so much easier for me to carry out my revolution on Judgment Day.
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I'm with you on gun control, your depicted deeper motives are of course totally fucked but that is not my concern.
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It's too late for gun control in the USA - 200million firearms floating around just ain't gonna disappear.
Oh, BTW, have they started blaming video games/rap/heavy metal for the killings yet?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/VwcFrNlda64
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It's too late for gun control in the USA - 200million firearms floating around just ain't gonna disappear.
it's pretty fucked huh
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It's too late for gun control in the USA - 200million firearms floating around just ain't gonna disappear.
Actually, that is a good point. Having registration or licensing laws or banning guns outright probably would NOT have a significant effect in the U.S. for precisely that reason.
That being said, the fact that guns have been so easy to get for so many years is the reason this problem exists in the first place.
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Surely the point is guns were banned from the campus in the first place, meaning that if some nut or for that matter criminal. decides he or she is going to kill a bunch of people, then the law abiding people are left totally at the mercy of the gun barrel. If the campus had followed the same laws as the state of virginia in allowing a gun concealment licence, or for that matter if senior teachers had been entrusted with a gun to keep in storage, then this massive death toll would have been averted. The reaction of the police says it all to, they were of no protection to the people, they were just standing there unsure of what to do, so much for protect and serve. I can understand british police standing there perhaps, because of the fact they aren't armed but for these cops to have not done anything is just bewildering. The message in america that this should resonate and particularly as shallow has pointed out with such massive gun circulation anyway, is protect yourself with a gun.
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Surely the point is guns were banned from the campus in the first place, meaning that if some nut or for that matter criminal. decides he or she is going to kill a bunch of people, then the law abiding people are left totally at the mercy of the gun barrel. If the campus had followed the same laws as the state of virginia in allowing a gun concealment licence, or for that matter if senior teachers had been entrusted with a gun to keep in storage, then this massive death toll would have been averted. The reaction of the police says it all to, they were of no protection to the people, they were just standing there unsure of what to do, so much for protect and serve. I can understand british police standing there perhaps, because of the fact they aren't armed but for these cops to have not done anything is just bewildering. The message in america that this should resonate and particularly as shallow has pointed out with such massive gun circulation anyway, is protect yourself with a gun.
first time i can totally agree with you,Co-Sign +1
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That is what debate is about man, disagreeing is bound to be a part of it, scepticism and disagreement is a healthy thing. So on that note, here is a question for you, do you think americans at least the majority will think along similar lines, or will have been sucked in by the horrors and thus more willing to give up their guns?
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thanks to the media it will be an all out war against guns...you will have several "celebrity's" (who for some reason are worshiped like gods) "taking a stand" and the American public will eat it up.
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(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070418/070418_vatech_shooterSTILL.hmedium.jpg)
Looks like he wants to be Chow Yun-Fat in "The Killer". Crazy-ass chink...
Surely the point is guns were banned from the campus in the first place, meaning that if some nut or for that matter criminal. decides he or she is going to kill a bunch of people, then the law abiding people are left totally at the mercy of the gun barrel.
Yeah, they wouldn't BE at the mercy of a gun barrel in the first place if guns weren't so easy to get. How difficult is this to understand? Have you ever considered that maybe some people would rather not have to live in a country where they need a gun to protect themselves? I'm certainly not opposed to gun ownership myself (obviously, I need guns to kill all the crackers like Real American and Trauma and yourself), but I respect the right of people to want to live in a world where they don't have to stay strapped just to get through the day.
Seriously, what kinda fucked-up world would that be? Sadly, thanks to the efforts of people like you, that's precisely how America is today, so good job.
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With over 200 million guns in circulation though it is pointless debating the question should they be have been so easy to obtain in the first place. The fact is they are and leaving people defenceless only leads to these types of masscacres.
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With over 200 million guns in circulation though it is pointless debating the question should they be have been so easy to obtain in the first place. The fact is they are and leaving people defenceless only leads to these types of masscacres.
Yeah, but at the very least, the important thing is to cut down on the number of guns in circulation, and the best way to do that is with registration and licensing so that guns can't be resold so easily in "straw purchases" or other illegal transactions. Notice that this also doesn't mean law-abiding people won't be able to buy guns...it'll just be a somewhat lengthier process. The moment a national gun registry is established in the U.S. and if 90% of the population followed it (which they probably would), there would be very few new guns entering black market channels. Coupled with the fact that police confiscate and destroy hundreds of thousands of firearms every year, the supply of guns on the black market would decrease tremendously in just a few years, while prices would gradually increase until fewer and fewer criminals could afford them.
So obviously, there would be any IMMEDIATE effect, but it would be part of a long-term strategy that would eventually reduce gun crime by a significant amount.
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If criminals want to get hold of guns though, they will, using europe to illustrate the point is pointless purely and simply, because there has never really been mass gun ownership. Therefore controlling guns has never been that much of a problem, the big big problem in gun registration, is stopping someone from having a gun because they have a criminal record. Just on a practical common sense basis, millions of those with a criminal record will have gained it through petty crimes. The problem with such centralisation, is the government has proved over and over again they can not be trusted and give away that much power and it will be abused. What I mean is, as soon as a major precedent is set, moves come into place to incrementally expand this law and in the long term most people can longer own a gun. However there will still be millions of guns available on the black market...the peaceful people will be even more at risk.
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Looks like L.A. gooks are a lil' nervous
Los Angeles-Kyeyoung Park grew worried as she listened to news reports referring to the Virginia Tech shooter as "Asian-looking."
On Tuesday, she learned that the perpetrator of the worst shooting in U.S. history was not only Asian, but Korean - and it seemed like reporters couldn't stop repeating it.
"This is something that white Americans never have to be concerned about," said Park, an associate professor of anthropology at UCLA. "If one white American commits a crime, nobody will apply it to all white Americans. But for minorities, you are always seen as a group."
The identification of Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior, as the triggerman who left 32 dead before taking his own life Monday sent a shudder through Los Angeles' Korean-American community, the largest outside Korea.
Fifteen years ago this month, Korean-American shopowners in South Los Angeles suffered the brunt of the L.A. riots when the predominantly African-American surrounding community identified them as an outlet for their frustration.
On Tuesday, Korean-Americans were fearing the worst.
"Many Americans can't differentiate between North Korea and South Korea, and then to get this massacre - if there is stereotyping, it will be really bad," said the Rev. Young K. Yoo, pastor of Korean Church of North L.A. in North Hills.
Korean-American organizations attempted to head off any problems by issuing press releases expressing condolences and hosting candlelight vigils.
"Our hearts go out to the victims, their family members and friends. This unspeakable tragedy hurts all of us," the L.A.-based National Korean American Service & Education Consortium said in a statement.
"As a community, Korean-Americans will come together to provide the support and resources needed for the students, their families, the faculty and the staff at Virginia Tech to overcome the grief and pain that overwhelms them all at this moment."
Outside the Greenland Market in Van Nuys, news racks for four Korean newspapers, including two sports papers, each displayed front-page photos of the shootings.
"All Koreans feel very sorry. That strange guy is not all Koreans," said Kim Tong, 55, who runs a small newsstand nearby. "All Koreans work very hard and are diligent and gentle-minded.
"He is crazy. He's very different."
Cho was described as a loner and an outcast with a dark mind. The Smoking Gun Web site reported that he was referred to counseling last year "after professors became concerned about the violent nature of his writings," including a short story about a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of pedophilia and of murdering his father.
Like others, Tong, who emigrated 10 years ago, emphasized that Cho grew up with American values.
"He is almost American, not Korean," Tong said.
An English major at Virginia Tech, Cho's family immigrated to the United States in 1992 when he was 8. And yet journalists kept referring to Cho as a Korean immigrant.
"I was disturbed that media kept calling him a South Korean immigrant, as if he arrived yesterday," Park said. "He didn't. He grew up here, in the 'burbs, in Virginia."
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If criminals want to get hold of guns though, they will, using europe to illustrate the point is pointless purely and simply, because there has never really been mass gun ownership. Therefore controlling guns has never been that much of a problem, the big big problem in gun registration, is stopping someone from having a gun because they have a criminal record. Just on a practical common sense basis, millions of those with a criminal record will have gained it through petty crimes. The problem with such centralisation, is the government has proved over and over again they can not be trusted and give away that much power and it will be abused. What I mean is, as soon as a major precedent is set, moves come into place to incrementally expand this law and in the long term most people can longer own a gun. However there will still be millions of guns available on the black market...the peaceful people will be even more at risk.
Using Europe as a point proves that if criminals want guns, they WON'T be able to get ahold of them nearly as easily. Since I came to London, I've heard of some shootings (a few months ago, some dude up near Clapham North got clapped up by gangbangers, and one of the weapons used was a MAC-10 sub-machine gun), but they're so rare that when they do happen, they make front-page news all across the country. How often does that happen in the U.S.? Except for some gang members and of course the Irish terrorist groups (both Republican and Loyalist), almost nobody in the U.K. is armed. Shit, even the police here don't usually carry guns (except SO-19). They don't need to.
If somebody has a criminal record, it's probably a safe bet they might be involved in more serious offenses but haven't been caught. I don't believe a dude who stole Skittles from a 7-11 when he was 15 shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, but anyone who's been arrested multiple times for assault & battery, burglary, or anything else, shouldn't.
Cut it out with the government conspiracy bullshit. Lest you forget, Switzerland is a country that is heavily armed, yet it also has a very centralized system of gun control. Besides, you've said it yourself...so many people own guns in America that any politician that wanted to ban them ALL would face their wrath come elections. If the Democrats did decide to pass a complete gun ban tomorrow, that would be 80 million people who would be pissed off as fuck. A lot of Democrats believe that Clinton's support of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 cost the Democrats in Congress, so you can only imagine what a ban on ALL guns would do. Trying to ban all guns in America would be political suicide. The best route to take, and the one that should make all parties involved happy, is to find a middle road, and that's what licensing more-or-less achieves. I don't expect it would satisfy all the hard-line right-wingers and right-Libertarians that consider ANY infringement upon 2nd Amendment rights to be bad, but for the vast majority of gun owners (the rural hunters and the homeowners who buy guns casually for practical purposes), it would probably be OK.
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Oh, yeah, and I don't see why so many South Koreans are rushing to apologize for this. Are they worried that all South Korean kids are going to be stereotyped as potential school shooters? I don't think this shooting is going to change the stereotype of school shooters as crazy white boys wearing goth clothes who listen to Marilyn Manson or Nirvana and play too much "Counter-Strike".
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Conspiracy theory bullshit? I said if the government are given power they will abuse it, the american government and the president in particular can be impeached on so many grounds, so once again what conspiracy theory bullshit? You have done absolutely nothing to dispell what I just said approximately there are 7.5 million people in switzerland and about 15% of households have a gun, so you are talking about just over a million people who posess a gun. Therefore if you take the statistics from 1992 as a guide, there were 97 handgun murders in switzerland, multiply that number by 200 and you get a figure which would be somewhere near the handgun murder rate of the U.S. Also of course what this data fails to address is that switzerland is very affluent and america by contrast has massive inequality and this is no doubt a reason for so much gun crime. Clearly you chose to misinterpret what I said, I don't recall mentioning a total ban I said it would pave the way for more and more people to be prevented from owning a gun in fact I was at great pains to point out that changes would arrise incrementally and only in the long term would people truly appreciate the impact of the changes, by then it's too late. It's like air slowly escaping from a football, you continue playing on with it and sure it still works to an extent but it becomes much harder to kick the ball but still you carry on until the ball is flat as a pancake and by then you can do nothing about it.
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How do you get that Switzerland has a handgun murder rate equal to the U.S.? Last I checked, there are something like ten THOUSAND handgun murders in the U.S. Do the math...that puts the handgun murder rate at less than one-fifth that of the U.S. Furthermore, you're failing to account for TOTAL murder rates. On the other hand, I have heard that Switzerland does have the second-highest handgun murder rate in the world, but it's still a very distant second to the U.S. Still, maybe that proves even stricter gun regulations are necesary...I've heard at least part of the reason for the Swiss gun crime is the fact that ammunition controls aren't well-enforced.
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If you go on the basis of 100 million owning weapons, admittedly the figures vary but some of the figures have been ascertained from interviews and of course some people are bound to lie under such circrumstances, therefore I have taken something of an approximation on that one, 97 people were killed in switzerland in 1992 when approximately a million people owned a gun. (going on todays population figure) Multiply this figure by 100 million and you get a figure of 9700 murders . I don't know how many handgun murders there are in america but it's higher than ten thousand and plus as I mentioned before it does not take into account the massive inequality which exists in america and this is underlined by the majority of the crime being concentrated around the poor black neighbourhoods.
As I asked before, where have i mentioned anything which can be considered conspiracy rubbish?
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^^^^^^^^^^ Here:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm
Confirms nearly everything I have said...Switzerland's handgun murder rate is 1.42 per 100,000 compared to 5.28 for the U.S. The same site also indicates that Switzerland had 97 handgun murders in 1992 (as you've said) while the U.S. had 13,429. Keep in mind that that number has most likely decreased since the Brady Bill was passed in 1994, and I imagine Swiss gun laws have also become stricter as well.
I think your problem is that you used two unrelated sets of data...you confuse handgun ownership with TOTAL gun ownership. 100 million people in America don't own handguns...something like 80 million own guns and of those, I think about 25 million own handguns. The rest are hunters and farmers who own shotguns and rifles, plus a very tiny proportion that own assault rifles. Likewise, do a million people own a GUN generic term (remember, a lot of those Swiss people own government-issued assault rifles) or a HANDGUN?
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I think that when the CIA details handguns they are reporting on it because that is the problem. Hunters and farmers are not the ones responsible for gun crime except for pockets of incidents..Like you said assault rifle ownership is a very small minority of people. The figure you just mentioned of 80 million is indeed a reported figure but then you will also see figures in excess of 80 million. Like I said, these figures are largely based on interviews, it's reasonable to assume that some people would get nervous and respond that they do not own a gun when they do.
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^^^^^^ Either way, Switzerland's rate of gun crime is not as high as America's.
Of course farmers and hunters aren't responsible for gun crime, and in general, it's rare that rifles or shotguns are used either. I think I remember hearing something like 85% of gun murders in the U.S. are committed with handguns, and I imagine the rate for total gun crime (non-lethal incidents) is probably about the same. Obviously, long guns aren't useful because of their length, the only exceptions begin sawed-off shotguns or assault rifles with short barrels and folding stocks.
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Yes I know, my initial post was a bit rash but you would still be dealing with a great deal number of people dead if there was the same amount of gun ownership as in america. If Switzerland had the same level of inequality also, then you might see an even greater similarity in terms of the ratio of owners to deaths.
Although nothing can be as ridiculous as making carrying a knife such a "horrible offence" over here, that is the craziest example of victim disarmament. I remember reading in the london telegraph about how the cops trick young women into admitting they carry a knife and then off to jail they go, meanwhile the criminals will carry knives regardless. At the end of the day any way you cut it if even some of the people were allowed to have a weapon on the campus then this crazy fuck would have been taken down. I can't believe the media is going to spin this to demonise guns, it's unbelievable.
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Yes I know, my initial post was a bit rash but you would still be dealing with a great deal number of people dead if there was the same amount of gun ownership as in america. If Switzerland had the same level of inequality also, then you might see an even greater similarity in terms of the ratio of owners to deaths.
Although nothing can be as ridiculous as making carrying a knife such a "horrible offence" over here, that is the craziest example of victim disarmament. I remember reading in the london telegraph about how the cops trick young women into admitting they carry a knife and then off to jail they go, meanwhile the criminals will carry knives regardless. At the end of the day any way you cut it if even some of the people were allowed to have a weapon on the campus then this crazy fuck would have been taken down. I can't believe the media is going to spin this to demonise guns, it's unbelievable.
So I don't understand...if you're admitting that Switzerland would have more gun deaths if it had the same rate of gun ownership, then aren't you conceding I'm right? The main thing I'm arguing here, and which many pro-gun nuts in America deny, is that more guns = more crime, more violence, etc.
As far as demonizing guns, could this Cho dude have killed nearly as many people with a knife as a gun? When was the last time you heard of someone lining up 30 people in a room and then knifing them all to death? Granted, it's pretty rare to hear of someone killing 30 people using a 9-mm handgun with a 15-round magazine (when I heard the number of people killed, I was expecting it to be an assault rifle with a 100-round drum magazine), but it's still far more achievable. The point is, guns facilitate murder for anyone and everyone, and that is why a society in which they are readily available is such a bad thing.
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The point I was trying to make is that if you determined what the gun crime might be using those crude methods, then it calls into your question your view about gun control having such a massive effect. The fact is the right to bear arms is an inalieable part of the U.S constitution and with so many guns in circulation, there will always be millions in circulation available to criminals. The reason why forefathers made the right to bear arms a fundamental part of the constitution was to ensure that with an armed populace tyranny could be staved off.
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The point I was trying to make is that if you determined what the gun crime might be using those crude methods, then it calls into your question your view about gun control having such a massive effect. The fact is the right to bear arms is an inalieable part of the U.S constitution and with so many guns in circulation, there will always be millions in circulation available to criminals. The reason why forefathers made the right to bear arms a fundamental part of the constitution was to ensure that with an armed populace tyranny could be staved off.
I hear the argument about the Constitution all the time. Aside from the fact that I think the 2nd Amendment should probably be repealed (but I know it won't happen) and that the constitutionality of gun control is not as questionable as the NRA makes it sound, I don't buy the tyranny argument. We're living in an era where it's much, MUCh harder for an armed civilian militia to challenge a modern army with sophisticated technology and intelligence. And before you point out to me recent guerilla conflicts such as the Vietnam War or the Soviets' defeat in Afghanistan, please keep in mind that in those cases the guerilla force wasn't just a bunch of civilians who owned guns. The Viet Cong were well-organized and well-supplied by governments hostile to the United States (namely, the Soviets and Chinese) via the Ho Chi Minh Trail, plus they were well-trained. A bunch of drunk rednecks with shotguns or homeowners with .38s are not adequate enough to serve as a guerilla force. Even if almost all American gun owners had assault rifles (and as we agree, that's not the case), I still can't see it working. Guerilla armies still require a level of organization and supply lines that I don't foresee any American militia attaining.
As I have said, I do not expect that, should the gun laws I have suggested be implemented, the U.S. will immediately cease to have such a high rate of gun violence, but it would set the stage for a gradual reduction of gun violence over the next few decades. It would be an important first step.
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80 million (officially) is a massive militia to have, a lot of whom are well schooled in shooting would deliver a bloody nose to any army, why do you not agree with the idea of a few teachers being entrusted with weapons to keep in a secure box? better that, than to turn these campuses into prisons and please do not tell me that is a bs conspiracy, jrome acknowledged this is what they will push for.
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I am on Blackman's side on this one, Shallow. In most "civilized" countries it is just weird as fuck to own a gun. I have never even seen a gun in my entire life, except for in the holster of a peaceful police officer. If any decent person around here carries around a gun, it's just odd. It's just not what people do. That being said, the cultural acceptance plays a great role, it's not just about easier destribution. For me a gun is just something I know from movies, computer games and shit. It's not a part or an issue of my everyday life whatsoever. I don't even think of guns on an average day. But in a country in which it is perfectly normal to have serveral guns as a decent person, people rather pull a gun - and not just because it is easier to obtain one.
Also, destribution is an issue too, to me it would just be too much of a hassle to get one illegally (obviously, getting one illegally in Europe is much much harder than getting one illegally in the US) and to learn how to use it, learn how to shoot. I couldn't just go out with it and shoot at some cans or whatever in the forest because that would just be weird lol. I wouldn't know who to ask about it. It's just not what people do. It would be hella suspicious, too, unlike in the US, a "civilized" and economically advanced country that is all over guns, for reasons I hope I will never fully understand.
Furthermore, there is no room to argue, certain types of guns are just flat out designed to kill people. They are *not* designed for artful aim-shooting, or to hunt or to go to war. They are designed to kill people in an everyday environment. That's just crazy. I don't understand why decent people have those types of things.
I am absolutely sure that it is better for a society to not have guns around everywhere. The problem with the US is, that people are just way too used to it, and they would feel as if something lacks as soon as guns would be "prohibited"... that and the fact that the pro-guns-for-retards lobbies like the NRA are way too powerful.
I think cracking down on guns is great, but I don't see it having an effect on cases like this. This guy wasa nut who wanted to make statement and be remembered for it. If no gun was available to buy legally, he'd buy it illegally. If he couldn't find one he'd find some other way to make an impact; suicide bomb, create a large explosion or fly a plain into one of the school buildings. I don't think gun control would have saved any lives in thios casee, and the lack of gun control could have saved lives if he indeed did try another method like the ones mentioned. He was a lunatic with the intent to kill and die. The best you can do is look for warning signs and keep an eye on him but that is far from a certain method of safety. There's just something about America that breeds these nuts more so than any other first world nation, but in the end these events are few and far between.
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wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
we had a massacre here in 1996, 35 dead, the guy had a 98% hit accuracy on head shots. we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
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wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
lmao me and my boy were joking that they might come up with that crap
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wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
we had a massacre here in 1996, 35 dead, the guy had a 98% hit accuracy on head shots. we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
word.
Australia rules. Plus you can still have handguns if you want, just get it registered and you have to have it locked in a safe in your car and when at your house. And if someone steals your safe key, steals your glock from the safe and shoots up the local deli, you can be charged with manslaughter.
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The point is absolutely true, guns are legal to carry in the state of virginia anyway and so therefore if guns were allowed on campus in Virginia Tech, like they are in Florida campuses also, then this person would have been killed. If someone is that intent on killing, then turning campuses into a prison like environment will not prevent another massacre all it achieve is to normalise people being treated as prisoners/suspects.
Has there been any explantion yet as to why the speakers which were installed after the first shooting, did not warn people for over 2 hours after the first shooting?
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we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
That's the same logic that republicans use for terrorist attacks; "well we got hit on 9/11 then Bush implemented the patriot act and we invaded Iraq because they sponsored the attacks and we haven't had an attack since". Remember the Simpsons episode where a bear gets loos in town and the town responds with raising taxes to start up a bear patrol police unit. That's what things like this are; Bear Patrol. They take things that are rare occassions but devastating and they fool the people in their time of grief, then they strip them of rights and money and they laugh all the way to the bank praising the idea that it never happened again.
Of course in your case you may be a liar. I take it you are talking about Martin John Bryant who killed so many in 96. Well 5 years before that Wade Frankum did something of the sort at the Strathfield Plaza. 4 or 5 years before that in 87 Frank Vitkovic did something of the sort on Queen Street. That same year was the Hoddle Street massacre. But before '87 there was nothing of the sort in Australia. Every other massacre had to with a war of some kid, whether it be a land war or a gang war. So instead of looking to see how it was handled after '96 with Bryant why don't people focus on what happened before '87 and why so many years went by with out incident. I mean over 100 years of nothing like this when guns were readily aquired and used in the old days compared to 11 years? Does that make sense?
By the way, how is it that you failed to mention the Monash University incident that happened about 4 or 5 years after Bryant? Huan Yun Xiang had 5 hand guns at his disposal and walked into a classroom. 2 were killed and 5 were wounded. Why weren't more killed? Because when he stopped to reload after the first set of shots a lecturer who had been shot grabbed his hand while a king fu trained student tackled him. If not for these brave men who acted when the opportunity came then a lot more would have died. So much for you amnesty theory since the two gun incidents surrounding Bryant came about 5 or 6 years before and 5 or 6 years after Bryant. If something like this happens again this year or in '08 then I suggest you go to your government and demand a revision of the bear patrol act.
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Exactly the fear factor is hyped up to manipulate the populous into clamouring for some kind of protection. When the government grants this protect it only gives the illusion of protection which is reinforced by self congratulatory reminders that since this legislation has come in there have been no more cases so look once again we have kept you safe. This then acts as a spur for people to be even more accepting to sacrifice yet more of their rights all in the name of protection. It is a conspiracy theory to suggest that surrendering your rights keep you safe and yet unfortunately people will accept this notion whole heartedly and yet will attack anything other than this as a conspiracy theorist. I am sure there are those who genuinely believe they are doing the right thing and are just misguided (anti gun lobbying groups) parents etc but as far as the fear rampers are concerned, they know exactly what they are doing.
The australian is the most ridiculous example of them all I agree and Dunblane for that matter
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This campus shooting events are getting lot more ridiculus than before. It's like they do it every 3 to 5 years. Is it me or is it that people don't know how to fuckin' deal with their sorry ass problems. I pretty much had it with these dumb ass kids doing dumb shit for the the wrong reasons.
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Actually, I don't agree with the idea that all guns should be banned because of a spree killing like this. Obviously, spree killings are bad, but the problem is that (1.) They are generally not very common and account for a nearly invisible fraction of homicides, and (2.) I think spree killers are more likely to pursue other methods of killing lots of people if guns aren't available. Pipe bombs and other improvised explosive devices have been used in a large number of mass killings, so I don't think it's unlikely somebody who has a personal vendetta against the world would use those if they had to. It's a knee-jerk reaction to ban ALL guns because of one isolated incident, and the British situation is a good example of this. Thomas Hamilton, the guy responsible for Dunblane, killed 16 kids with a pair of (I think) Browning 9-mm pistols. What if he'd instead loaded his car with gasoline and drove it into a school bus, which would cause the bus to blow up and probably kill all the dozens of kids on board? You wouldn't ban cars and gasoline in that case, would you? Furthermore, some of Hamilton's neighbors had warned the police he was mentally unstable (he was apparently a paedophile) and should have his firearms license revoked, but those claims were dismissed.
The problem I have with the United States is the fact that the availability of guns is having a significant effect on total violent crime and facilitating the deaths of 30,000 people a year. If the 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. were reduced to European levels and incidents like the Virginia Tech massacre were the rare exceptions, I would oppose somebody wanting to ban guns because of incidents like that. But in 2 years in the U.S., the same number of Americans die as died during the entire Vietnam War, and that's not acceptable. Most types of criminals would not be able to carry out their usual crimes without guns. A mugger with a knife isn't going to be as effective as one with a pistol, for example. The number of people who die in America because of guns can and SHOULD be reduced simply because it doesn't make sense to allow such easy access to weapons.
If no gun was available to buy legally, he'd buy it illegally.
But that is not true. You have yet to tell me...where would the illegal gun come from? I suppose there's black market arms dealers who import stolen Soviet-era Kalashnikov rifles and RPGs into the United States the way they do in Africa and South America and the Middle East? I sure haven't heard of that. This dude was some fucking nerd with a small dick, not a terrorist or a mafioso. When guns are very hard to get legally, the only criminals that can get them are the ones who are extremely well connected. I say this after months running guns for the Real IRA in Belfast.
Also, I'm sure you've heard of the National Firearms Act, the one which places very severe restrictions on machine gun ownership in the United States. In order to buy a machine gun (or any other "Class III" weapon) in the United States, you have to be investigated throughly by the ATF. It takes months to do the background checks and have the gun sent to the buyer, plus it's registered with the ATF and owners are required to notify them if the weapon gets lost or stolen. And guess what? Since 1934 (when the NFA was first enacted), not a single legally-owned machine gun has been used to commit a crime in the U.S., and (despite what you see in movies) even the illegal use of machine guns by gangstas here is extremely rare. Doesn't that prove that gun control DOES work? If ALL firearms (or at least, handguns and the semi-automatic assault rifles) in the U.S. were subject to something like the NFA, isn't it a safe bet that the same thing would happen?
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wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
we had a massacre here in 1996, 35 dead, the guy had a 98% hit accuracy on head shots. we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
haha
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Actually, I don't agree with the idea that all guns should be banned because of a spree killing like this. Obviously, spree killings are bad, but the problem is that (1.) They are generally not very common and account for a nearly invisible fraction of homicides, and (2.) I think spree killers are more likely to pursue other methods of killing lots of people if guns aren't available. Pipe bombs and other improvised explosive devices have been used in a large number of mass killings, so I don't think it's unlikely somebody who has a personal vendetta against the world would use those if they had to. It's a knee-jerk reaction to ban ALL guns because of one isolated incident, and the British situation is a good example of this. Thomas Hamilton, the guy responsible for Dunblane, killed 16 kids with a pair of (I think) Browning 9-mm pistols. What if he'd instead loaded his car with gasoline and drove it into a school bus, which would cause the bus to blow up and probably kill all the dozens of kids on board? You wouldn't ban cars and gasoline in that case, would you? Furthermore, some of Hamilton's neighbors had warned the police he was mentally unstable (he was apparently a paedophile) and should have his firearms license revoked, but those claims were dismissed.
The problem I have with the United States is the fact that the availability of guns is having a significant effect on total violent crime and facilitating the deaths of 30,000 people a year. If the 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. were reduced to European levels and incidents like the Virginia Tech massacre were the rare exceptions, I would oppose somebody wanting to ban guns because of incidents like that. But in 2 years in the U.S., the same number of Americans die as died during the entire Vietnam War, and that's not acceptable. Most types of criminals would not be able to carry out their usual crimes without guns. A mugger with a knife isn't going to be as effective as one with a pistol, for example. The number of people who die in America because of guns can and SHOULD be reduced simply because it doesn't make sense to allow such easy access to weapons.
If no gun was available to buy legally, he'd buy it illegally.
But that is not true. You have yet to tell me...where would the illegal gun come from? I suppose there's black market arms dealers who import stolen Soviet-era Kalashnikov rifles and RPGs into the United States the way they do in Africa and South America and the Middle East? I sure haven't heard of that. This dude was some fucking nerd with a small dick, not a terrorist or a mafioso. When guns are very hard to get legally, the only criminals that can get them are the ones who are extremely well connected. I say this after months running guns for the Real IRA in Belfast.
Also, I'm sure you've heard of the National Firearms Act, the one which places very severe restrictions on machine gun ownership in the United States. In order to buy a machine gun (or any other "Class III" weapon) in the United States, you have to be investigated throughly by the ATF. It takes months to do the background checks and have the gun sent to the buyer, plus it's registered with the ATF and owners are required to notify them if the weapon gets lost or stolen. And guess what? Since 1934 (when the NFA was first enacted), not a single legally-owned machine gun has been used to commit a crime in the U.S., and (despite what you see in movies) even the illegal use of machine guns by gangstas here is extremely rare. Doesn't that prove that gun control DOES work? If ALL firearms (or at least, handguns and the semi-automatic assault rifles) in the U.S. were subject to something like the NFA, isn't it a safe bet that the same thing would happen?
Your first half of this post pretty much said exactly what I said about people like this guy finding other, potentially more dangerous methods to hurt people, so we don't really disagree on all that much. But as for your machine gun comparison, here is what I think is the difference; Americans has such a tradition when it comes to guns, whether it be collecting, hunting, or home safety. The market is just too strong and too willing to pay for organized crime smugglers to ignore. It's fine now because most of it is legal. Machine guns aren't used for anything historically but combat. They were never part of the culture, so the market isn't there for them. How many people ever really kept machine guns around the house? Too Americans would go crazy if you just took away all the guns.
The same people that bring in the cocaine and heroin would bring in guns and the same people that sell the coke and heroin would sell the guns, so if this kid Cho could find a coke dealer he'd be able to find a gun link.
All that being said, whether you are right or I am right. We both agree that it would not have prevented a mass murder at Virginia.
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wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
haha
yeah man, the whole gun mentality i'll never understand.. it's FUCKING CRAZY.
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we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
That's the same logic that republicans use for terrorist attacks; "well we got hit on 9/11 then Bush implemented the patriot act and we invaded Iraq because they sponsored the attacks and we haven't had an attack since". Remember the Simpsons episode where a bear gets loos in town and the town responds with raising taxes to start up a bear patrol police unit. That's what things like this are; Bear Patrol. They take things that are rare occassions but devastating and they fool the people in their time of grief, then they strip them of rights and money and they laugh all the way to the bank praising the idea that it never happened again.
Of course in your case you may be a liar. I take it you are talking about Martin John Bryant who killed so many in 96. Well 5 years before that Wade Frankum did something of the sort at the Strathfield Plaza. 4 or 5 years before that in 87 Frank Vitkovic did something of the sort on Queen Street. That same year was the Hoddle Street massacre. But before '87 there was nothing of the sort in Australia. Every other massacre had to with a war of some kid, whether it be a land war or a gang war. So instead of looking to see how it was handled after '96 with Bryant why don't people focus on what happened before '87 and why so many years went by with out incident. I mean over 100 years of nothing like this when guns were readily aquired and used in the old days compared to 11 years? Does that make sense?
By the way, how is it that you failed to mention the Monash University incident that happened about 4 or 5 years after Bryant? Huan Yun Xiang had 5 hand guns at his disposal and walked into a classroom. 2 were killed and 5 were wounded. Why weren't more killed? Because when he stopped to reload after the first set of shots a lecturer who had been shot grabbed his hand while a king fu trained student tackled him. If not for these brave men who acted when the opportunity came then a lot more would have died. So much for you amnesty theory since the two gun incidents surrounding Bryant came about 5 or 6 years before and 5 or 6 years after Bryant. If something like this happens again this year or in '08 then I suggest you go to your government and demand a revision of the bear patrol act.
I think every Australian will agree, we are safer from gun violence because we have strict gun laws. there may still be killings, but less then what would be if guns were readily available, It really isn't that hard to understand. Same thing with weed, although I love weed and smoke it heavily (decriminalised) I would not vote to legalise it, if it was legal it would be an even bigger problem.
But word. I get what you're saying:
The market is just too strong and too willing to pay for organized crime smugglers to ignore. It's fine now because most of it is legal. Machine guns aren't used for anything historically but combat. They were never part of the culture, so the market isn't there for them. How many people ever really kept machine guns around the house? Too Americans would go crazy if you just took away all the guns.
The same people that bring in the cocaine and heroin would bring in guns and the same people that sell the coke and heroin would sell the guns, so if this kid Cho could find a coke dealer he'd be able to find a gun link.
All that being said, whether you are right or I am right. We both agree that it would not have prevented a mass murder at Virginia.
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i dont know wtf to think anymore on the real..some kid just got busted on right across the street today..i was just chillin and heard "pop,pop,pop"..i turned the t.v. off heard someone say somethin and it was quiet like a muh fucker. So i wasnt trippin cuz i hear gunshots all the damn time...then what seemed like forever(almost forgot about the shots) i heard the cops actin like they give a shit mashin down the street..me and my girl bail outside and some teenage dude is layin down in a driveway across the street...crazy ass shit. Of course nobody seen shit but there was a gang of fools outside. Crazy shit,i dont know what the solution is but the people that got elected to handle this shit damn sure dont know either....
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The wild wild amerikkka at its best!
I like amerikka, black on black crime,guns all over the place,crooked cops, c.i.a providin cocaine to ghetto youths and so on
beautiful country for sho
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The wild wild amerikkka at its best!
I like amerikka, black on black crime,guns all over the place,crooked cops, c.i.a providin cocaine to ghetto youths and so on
beautiful country for sho
and you live in a perfect world?
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yeah rest in peace to the people that lost there lives in virginia an that you know, r.i.p to all the students an teachers, theirs a lot of talk right about now about how music promotes negativity an that, an all that type of shit right about now, but people need to look at the crazy gun laws more, over your side of the pond you know, social ecomonics, decades of instutional racism an that you know, true stories, if guns were banned in the States, that fruitcake probably would not have been able to merk all those innocent people with futures ahead of them you know, it would have been like over here, that type of yute would have just slit his wrist or hanged himself you know, true stories, its nuthin long, only the streets have guns over here you know, which ain't good either, but fuck the system, you know how it goes already you know, the words, 'bitch', 'nigga', 'ho', ain't the reason why theirs problems in the hood, worldwide, its social ecomonics, decades of instutional racism, you see what I'm saying fam, the word 'nigga' is a term of endearment now, its gone from negative to positive, we took it from them when it meant negative, an made it positive, its means like brare, or dude, or that person now you know, but even still, know white person is using that word in front of me you know, thats true stories, its for people of colour from the streets to use, its sounds corny an that but its true stories, an you know, bitches an hoes is just a hood expression for certain type of females, it ain't that deep, you've got ladies an queens an you've got hoes an bitches too you know, true stories, it ain't that deep, its just lyrics, all females ain't bitches an hoes, that goes without saying, I see were Al Sharpton is coming from an that, he did his thing back in the day, even though he obsviously don't like hip hop an that, he did his thing for us even still, big him up for that, he still represents, I hope this is just a blip on the radar you know, you see what I'm saying cuz, he need to be goin at the system for all there stupid gun laws, the gentrification thats going on in the hoods all over america, affecting black an latino brothers an sisters you know, true stories ma nigga, fight against the fucked an schools in the hood you know, ma brother, hip hop isn't the cause of the problems in the hood, its a way out for certain brothers an sisters to make money in a positive way, you see what I'm saying dawg, I'd rather brother an sisters to be spitting about it, than doing it you know, true stories, he going after the wrong cause you know, true talk, but even still, rest in peace to all the people that lost there lives at that virgina college you know, true stories, lets go, an fuck don imus, he's got previous form of making racist statements, he's got history, its documented, fuck that nigga you know, true stories, lets go
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lol do you have to say you know that many times
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RIP 2 all
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i say all the countries get together and bomb america and kill every single american off. Once they're all dead the rest of the world can live in peace.
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From what has been said the shooter killed himself, the man being arrested is probably apart of the normal protocol to arrest people coming out of the building.
At least one article I've read indicates the shooter was an Asian male, so they probably went around handcuffing Asian dudes coming out of the building.
Weapons used were reportedly a 9-mm handgun and a Deuce-Deuce.
Aren't you glad he took those devils out?
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Yes.
:) :D :D :D ;D
OK.
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^^^^ See? You are retarded. Only retarded people bring up dead topics to contribute nothing worthwhile.