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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Lion King on April 18, 2007, 02:01:14 AM
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I thought this was really gonna blow up - I mean Snoop & Dre together again and Nate on the hook. But it is barely getting any airplay + I haven't seen the video once on TV!!!
Is this officialy a flop!?
It's a shame though cause the track is hot...
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if they released the AKON version as a single it would be a commercial successs. its because nate dogg is past his prime... and should retire.
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nate dogg hasn't past nothing and def. should NOT retire, it's cause nobody is interested in Snoop/Dre/Nate collabos no more these days. A few years ago, these names alone would have been enough for a hit, but nowadays u need TR808 claps or Akon on the hook, or 50/Dre collabos. Snoop/Dre doesn't work no more in commercial viewpoints. The track is certified fire, so is the video, but nobody will buy it. Look at "Cali Iz Active", it was an album that has many songs with commercial potential, features and production too, but people aren't interested it no more.
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it is a shame its getting no airtime. Why did akon not wanna be in the video
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that's that has many plays i thought boss life just need time
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People would be interested to see Dre and Snoop togheter.. imagine! I don't understand why nobody ever considered it a potenial single.
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Had completly forgotten this track after one listen...
True that imagine is way better
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that track is fire,we the REAL fans always like snoop/dre collabos fuck it if they dont show the video we still gonna blast that track! 8)
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I have never heard it on the radio at all. IMO the song is too slow for radio.
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I thought this was really gonna blow up - I mean Snoop & Dre together again and Nate on the hook. But it is barely getting any airplay + I haven't seen the video once on TV!!!
Is this officialy a flop!?
It's a shame though cause the track is hot...
Lol, Snoop is not what he used to be (at least for mainstream's definitions), nobody will cop his albums anymore and Nate, man nowadays people forget all about him. If SNoop left Akon on the hook it woulda blown up much bigger, like it or not.
Imo the lyrics on R&G: The Masterpiece really hurted Snoop's reputation. Like someone else said before me, half the people buying albums nowadays is girls and women, and that was the "group" who really was discriminated on Snoop's album (Can U Control Your Ho anyone ??? ) and yeah that was definately a big blow for Snoop's reputation. And next to that all his courtcases from the last year(s) arent helping him either.
Imo, only Akon could have made Boss' Life a succes, and im not gonna discuss wether he has skill or not, all i say is Akon, right now, is immense popular in the mainstream, and everything with his name will sell at least a bit.
Plus the fatc that the "mainstream" doesnt check for Dr. Dre, and seriously what reason could they possibly have?? Dre's last beats werent bad, but nothing groundbreaking or really special. The beats were all good (on Jay-Z's album, Snoop's album, the Stat Quo song on The Re-Up, Young Buck's album etc.) but come on, those were no Deep Cover's or Xxplosive's, and y'all know it.
You might think im a fan of mainstream rap by saying this. But i can be really clear about this. I like good music, and i dont care if it's underground or mainstream or whatever other words there are. All i say is that if you wanna get good album sales, you have to make a album which appeals to the wishes the mainstream has. And Snoop made a jewel with his last album, but nothing mainstream worthy.
And half the people in here are hipocrits cause i know they gonna reply with "fuck the mainstream" but yet the same people making such statements are obsessed with albumsales. It is what it is, i cant help it.
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I've only seen the video once over here in the UK
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What kills the song is the subject..its kind of boring...and the video (although the its high budget)...is nothing special when i think about it, looks like the video was made just to remind the listeners that the album is in stores
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What kills the song is the subject..its kind of boring...and the video (although the its high budget)...is nothing special when i think about it, looks like the video was made just to remind the listeners that the album is in stores
Young Joc doesnt really have any single with much subject either, yet he sold/sells, and Snoop not, lol.
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I thought this was really gonna blow up - I mean Snoop & Dre together again and Nate on the hook. But it is barely getting any airplay + I haven't seen the video once on TV!!!
Is this officialy a flop!?
It's a shame though cause the track is hot...
Lol, Snoop is not what he used to be (at least for mainstream's definitions), nobody will cop his albums anymore and Nate, man nowadays people forget all about him. If SNoop left Akon on the hook it woulda blown up much bigger, like it or not.
Imo the lyrics on R&G: The Masterpiece really hurted Snoop's reputation. Like someone else said before me, half the people buying albums nowadays is girls and women, and that was the "group" who really was discriminated on Snoop's album (Can U Control Your Ho anyone ??? ) and yeah that was definately a big blow for Snoop's reputation. And next to that all his courtcases from the last year(s) arent helping him either.
Imo, only Akon could have made Boss' Life a succes, and im not gonna discuss wether he has skill or not, all i say is Akon, right now, is immense popular in the mainstream, and everything with his name will sell at least a bit.
Plus the fatc that the "mainstream" doesnt check for Dr. Dre, and seriously what reason could they possibly have?? Dre's last beats werent bad, but nothing groundbreaking or really special. The beats were all good (on Jay-Z's album, Snoop's album, the Stat Quo song on The Re-Up, Young Buck's album etc.) but come on, those were no Deep Cover's or Xxplosive's, and y'all know it.
You might think im a fan of mainstream rap by saying this. But i can be really clear about this. I like good music, and i dont care if it's underground or mainstream or whatever other words there are. All i say is that if you wanna get good album sales, you have to make a album which appeals to the wishes the mainstream has. And Snoop made a jewel with his last album, but nothing mainstream worthy.
And half the people in here are hipocrits cause i know they gonna reply with "fuck the mainstream" but yet the same people making such statements are obsessed with albumsales. It is what it is, i cant help it.
Snoop has been degrading hoes since Doggystyle so that did not start with R&G. I think Snoop selection of singles at times is not good. Not to say Boss' Life is a bad choice, but like you said, Akon is the man right now. He HAS to be on that single for it to blow up. It's a no brainer. Nothing against Nate, but Akon is all over the place. I just think with BCT it tried to cater to too many people. For the most part the tone is gangsta for the 1st half and all over the place after Like This. Don't be surprised if you see a R&G pt 2 for his next album though.
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This is Snoop's 4th single you all should realize by now that if a rapper is lucky enough to get a 3rd or 4th single, they won't play it. Look at Jay'Z's "Minority Report", The Game's "Wouldnt Get Far". People's attention spans are short, and the stations don't wanna give too much to an artist. It's all about the 1st and 2nd single nowadays.
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This is Snoop's 4th single you all should realize by now that if a rapper is lucky enough to get a 3rd or 4th single, they won't play it. Look at Jay'Z's "Minority Report", The Game's "Wouldnt Get Far". People's attention spans are short, and the stations don't wanna give too much to an artist. It's all about the 1st and 2nd single nowadays.
That is true also. And not alot of artists are even getting 2 singles. I would like to see them maybe drop one more single, Imagine or Get A Light and see if that can push him over the top.
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imo tha akon version is better. i think it sounder than nate's version. i had tha song as my main ringtone untill i traded in my phone i like tha song and thought it would be a stronger single. maybe tha label anin't puting tha money behind it
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flopped hard nate dogg's career is OVER nobody is checking for dude anymore except west coast hip hop fans
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great song,...video sucked BIG TIME!!!
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nate comes and goes, he's been hot, been not, got hot again, is not again, may get hot again with the right single
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-90% of people don't know what a producer is, let alone KNOW that Dr.Dre produced this.
-Would have blown up if Dre was in the video. This is Dre's fault.
-People want to see snoop/dre rap together. it's a media frenzy, and even people who don't know shit about shit remember G thang.
Xander, LMAO at you thinking anybody but us is evaluating dre's production as he releases shit. they don't even know that dre produces(women that buy music)
Noone, including radio stations, knows that Dre is involved with the track. People have short attention spans, burn the albums so they don't have the credits to read and guess what...even the people that did buy the record, don't read the credits.
toss a dre verse on there and dre in the video and MTV would have been ON it
dre is sucha popular figure, he doesn't even like to rap but he does because people demand it so much
he was probably mixing 50's two completed albums so was too busy to be in the video.
bottomline, 50's fault.
-T
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specialy snoop. How long can snoop pretind that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
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Snoopp is old now. This nigga needs to stop it with the tuff shit.
I wana hear more of him growing up. He is an o.g now he should spread knowledge instead of acting like he is still banging.
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specialy snoop. How long can snoop pretind that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
Game-kind of a weak voice, no natural talent but definitely puts effort forth to make bangin records
bishop-if hittman looked like him, would not be signed to the math
Omar-nice flow and lyrics, can't stand his voice
jay roc-same thing as Omar, with an even clumsier flow
techniec-sick as shit, but ain't this dude been around since the mid 90s?
glasses-nice lyrics and flow, whack voice...what's with all these raspy motherfuckers?
ya boy-tired ass topics, cookie cutter ass verse strucute but a decent voice flow and lyrics, all his songs sound like singles but that makes for a weaker album imo
snoop-regardless of what he is talking about, his voice is a musical instrument. a weapon of funk destruction. smooth man, his flow is unmatchable.
Last i heard, snoop went up to sacramento to protest tookie's death. last i heard Snoop lives in so cal with a medical marijuana prescription and there's a canna club owned by the crips in LBC...since snoop doesn't live in san fran, my guess is his source is LA area medical marijuana clubs. last i heard snoop puts on former gangsters all the time in his record and his businessses.....he may not be slangin rocks and bussn caps but dude is a crip.
no one has listened to west coast rap for content since cube last record before war disc. west coast rap at its best: funky music, east coast rap: poetry. no one is listening to snoop for poetic insight, his shit sounds good. that's why we like it.
though i agree with bishop, snoop should put out some of his more deep songs that he's made that he hasn't released
-T
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specially snoop. How long can snoop pretend that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
Game-kind of a weak voice, no natural talent but definitely puts effort forth to make bangin records
bishop-if hittman looked like him, would not be signed to the math
Omar-nice flow and lyrics, can't stand his voice
jay roc-same thing as Omar, with an even clumsier flow
techniec-sick as shit, but ain't this dude been around since the mid 90s?
glasses-nice lyrics and flow, whack voice...what's with all these raspy motherfuckers?
ya boy-tired ass topics, cookie cutter ass verse strucute but a decent voice flow and lyrics, all his songs sound like singles but that makes for a weaker album imo
snoop-regardless of what he is talking about, his voice is a musical instrument. a weapon of funk destruction. smooth man, his flow is unmatchable.
Last i heard, snoop went up to sacramento to protest tookie's death. last i heard Snoop lives in so cal with a medical marijuana prescription and there's a canna club owned by the crips in LBC...since snoop doesn't live in san fran, my guess is his source is LA area medical marijuana clubs. last i heard snoop puts on former gangsters all the time in his record and his businessses.....he may not be slangin rocks and bussn caps but dude is a crip.
no one has listened to west coast rap for content since cube last record before war disc. west coast rap at its best: funky music, east coast rap: poetry. no one is listening to snoop for poetic insight, his shit sounds good. that's why we like it.
though i agree with bishop, snoop should put out some of his more deep songs that he's made that he hasn't released
-T
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i don't know dude, but T, your post always seem to have sum deep analysis in them..Much props for that!!
--Keep 'em coming!!
Blu!
--On A Side Note..Am Sure Boss Life will blow for Snoop..am thinking it will later rather than sooner!!
whether it blows or not, am still gon bump it..but I'd like it to see it sell alot more than it is currently, cuz of the work, Snoop, Akon/Nate & Dre put in it, after all they gotta get the due for working on the track-You don't make a track for it not to sell...
Blu!
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yeah, tracks blow up in the summer sometimes.
-T
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i am pretty sure it will not blow up, i am fucking like the snoop Nate dogg song and like the video. but then again its not that special, we have seen Snoop like that a million times... IF he should have any hope making a hit song it should be the jamie foxx and Snoop dogg song.. Thats realy what the pop people like sad but true >:(
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there is tons of single quality shit on the record. i think he should make good on round here like he said, and have dre in the video. shit will blow.
-T
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there is tons of single quality shit on the record. i think he should make good on round here like he said, and have dre in the video. shit will blow.
-T
Yeah having Dre in the video would be big. But then Snoop would have to explain that whole "why does round here sound like Stan and that Dido song?" thing that he got all bent out of shape about in the interview with Nima. LOL!
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there is tons of single quality shit on the record. i think he should make good on round here like he said, and have dre in the video. shit will blow.
-T
Yeah having Dre in the video would be big. But then Snoop would have to explain that whole "why does round here sound like Stan and that Dido song?" thing that he got all bent out of shape about in the interview with Nima. LOL!
it probably would come up again. that video would be coooold though.
-T
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specialy snoop. How long can snoop pretind that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
Agree. That's why I'm only waiting on Detox. Dre's the only one who can come with something original and innovative. That new Dogg Pound album sounds like it was made in 97' or something. Come with sum new shit.
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there is tons of single quality shit on the record. i think he should make good on round here like he said, and have dre in the video. shit will blow.
-T
Yeah having Dre in the video would be big. But then Snoop would have to explain that whole "why does round here sound like Stan and that Dido song?" thing that he got all bent out of shape about in the interview with Nima. LOL!
it probably would come up again. that video would be coooold though.
-T
Oh, it's going to come up if he picks it as a single. It is kind of pointless to pick Boss' Life and not have Akon in the video. You completely are not capitalizing off the crazy buzz Akon has right now. Clearance issues? What would be the problem in having him in the video?
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People would be interested to see Dre and Snoop togheter.. imagine! I don't understand why nobody ever considered it a potenial single.
yea if the lil kids now n dayz even kno who dre is let a lone snoop
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People would be interested to see Dre and Snoop togheter.. imagine! I don't understand why nobody ever considered it a potenial single.
yea if the lil kids now n dayz even kno who dre is let a lone snoop
everyone knows who snoop is, still
the industry/companies/radio stations would make a big deal out of a dre/snoop song with both of them rapping (single) if they like it or not
-T
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nate comes and goes, he's been hot, been not, got hot again, is not again, may get hot again with the right single
Exactly. nothing "trendy" dies out, but comes back in moderate, phase-like rotation. Hiphop in general is proof of this.
-90% of people don't know what a producer is, let alone KNOW that Dr.Dre produced this.
Yes. 90% of people outside the west nowadays DONT KNOW Dre was in NWA, or even give a fuck.
-Would have blown up if Dre was in the video. This is Dre's fault.
What has a stronger chance of blowing up in 2007 as of right now? Dre on a single or Akon? If Dre alone would have blown it up, im sure the label would have promoted "Imagine" instead. Nate just happened to be a last minute rendition, that is why "Crazy" (an original song with NATE on the album) isnt/wasnt considered and the one featuring 'you know who' is/was.
-People want to see snoop/dre rap together. it's a media frenzy, and even people who don't know shit about shit remember G thang.
People on the west sure. Also all the more reason to release Imagine (which I wanted to see a video for)
Xander, LMAO at you thinking anybody but us is evaluating dre's production as he releases shit. they don't even know that dre produces(women that buy music)
yes.
he was probably mixing 50's two completed albums so was too busy to be in the video.
..maybe, but you are reaching.
bottomline, 50's fault.
possibly, but again you are reaching off the last statement haha.
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i desperately want to be wrong man, but 50 keeps dropping dre produced shit and noone else is since last year. Kam, yeah, but that shit was made last year.
-T
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specialy snoop. How long can snoop pretind that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
that's the truth but you know you're going to get eaten alive by all the snoop dogg stans on this forum right? 8)
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i'm open to new cats being dope, but none of these cats (cept techniec, who to my knowledge has nothing i can buy) have impressed me like snoop has. how am I stan for being a tough critic?
-T
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which could be some old vault stuff for 50 as well. the assumptions and conclusions we could draw are endless so whats the point in picking one that is vague enough to apply to our statement/case? i just dont think its right to blame 50 when we dont even know 1/3 of the full story of dre or 50. im not a 50 fan in any aspect but im calling you on that one. maybe saying dre's fault, but whose to say 50 especially/exacty if im missing something, for all we know its stat quo, holding it up. thats like blaming everything new in hiphop as sucky just because the south is out lol when every region now has some suck ass shit coming out;
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i think you're missing that my statement about 50 is more like an ironic assessment of a larger pattern rather than being a direct accusation of 50 being at fault for boss life not blowing up
-T
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probably, because it doesnt seem like you'd just make a statement like what i was accusing you over, but stay up. i was most likely just angry this d/l of hiphop weekly isnt finishing fast enough.
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aight bet
who's your dad?
-T
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producer for dallas' "Nemesis" group, (funk group capitalizing off the westcoast g-funk sound), lived in California for about two weeks or so. This group went on tour with Quik, or almost did something for that. he produced their first album "Munchies 4 Your Bass". I have it on casette and it kills systems dunno about PC computer speakers though, i'll get samples later.
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shouldn't of released this track as a single. the timbo track woulda been a good choice at the mo. still, round here and imagine are easily the best tracks on the album, round here is dope but prolly not suitable for a single either.
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I still think the song Boss Life is too slow and not, how should I put it, danceable for radio. It probably would have been better for Snoop to do a full remix to Boss Life with a new beat and lyrics.
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The song bangs, I think its similar to "Lay Low" as far as Snoop's other singles go, and I remember that was a big hit, it had that mellow, classy type of vibe on it. I think the vidoe is pretty fuckin weird and required some thinking to appreciate, so I really doubt 13 year old girls who watch MTV and now even BET are gonna watch it. BET has turned into a teeny bopper network too, who the hell wants to watch Rap City any more? I watched the one with UGK just to see them, and it was almost disgusting. The ones with Big Tigger were good back in the day, but now any real hip hop fans aren't gonna watch that shit. And that's the most serious rap show they have on the network. 106th and Park is dominated by teenage girls, that's why Bow Wow or Pretty Ricky are always holding down the number 1 spot. BET is not as good of an outlet for rap as it used to be, that's for sure.
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dont yall get it ?
rappers get boooooooooooooooooring, specialy snoop. How long can snoop pretind that he is still a crip ?
how long is going to be smacking hoes ?
when is he going to grow up ?
rappers get boring so thats why i stopped buying snoop,any dpg shit, xzibit......etc...
they might only be good for collabs but nit albums. Take it groupies i dont give a fuck.
i put the old west behind me now i only look forward
the game
yaboy
bushop
omar
conejo
jay roc
technique
and all the new west coast cats.
Game-kind of a weak voice, no natural talent but definitely puts effort forth to make bangin records
bishop-if hittman looked like him, would not be signed to the math
Omar-nice flow and lyrics, can't stand his voice
jay roc-same thing as Omar, with an even clumsier flow
techniec-sick as shit, but ain't this dude been around since the mid 90s?
glasses-nice lyrics and flow, whack voice...what's with all these raspy motherfuckers?
ya boy-tired ass topics, cookie cutter ass verse strucute but a decent voice flow and lyrics, all his songs sound like singles but that makes for a weaker album imo
snoop-regardless of what he is talking about, his voice is a musical instrument. a weapon of funk destruction. smooth man, his flow is unmatchable.
Last i heard, snoop went up to sacramento to protest tookie's death. last i heard Snoop lives in so cal with a medical marijuana prescription and there's a canna club owned by the crips in LBC...since snoop doesn't live in san fran, my guess is his source is LA area medical marijuana clubs. last i heard snoop puts on former gangsters all the time in his record and his businessses.....he may not be slangin rocks and bussn caps but dude is a crip.
no one has listened to west coast rap for content since cube last record before war disc. west coast rap at its best: funky music, east coast rap: poetry. no one is listening to snoop for poetic insight, his shit sounds good. that's why we like it.
though i agree with bishop, snoop should put out some of his more deep songs that he's made that he hasn't released
-T
word.
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I thought this was really gonna blow up - I mean Snoop & Dre together again and Nate on the hook. But it is barely getting any airplay + I haven't seen the video once on TV!!!
Is this officialy a flop!?
It's a shame though cause the track is hot...
Lol, Snoop is not what he used to be (at least for mainstream's definitions), nobody will cop his albums anymore and Nate, man nowadays people forget all about him. If SNoop left Akon on the hook it woulda blown up much bigger, like it or not.
Imo the lyrics on R&G: The Masterpiece really hurted Snoop's reputation. Like someone else said before me, half the people buying albums nowadays is girls and women, and that was the "group" who really was discriminated on Snoop's album (Can U Control Your Ho anyone ??? ) and yeah that was definately a big blow for Snoop's reputation. And next to that all his courtcases from the last year(s) arent helping him either.
Imo, only Akon could have made Boss' Life a succes, and im not gonna discuss wether he has skill or not, all i say is Akon, right now, is immense popular in the mainstream, and everything with his name will sell at least a bit.
Plus the fatc that the "mainstream" doesnt check for Dr. Dre, and seriously what reason could they possibly have?? Dre's last beats werent bad, but nothing groundbreaking or really special. The beats were all good (on Jay-Z's album, Snoop's album, the Stat Quo song on The Re-Up, Young Buck's album etc.) but come on, those were no Deep Cover's or Xxplosive's, and y'all know it.
You might think im a fan of mainstream rap by saying this. But i can be really clear about this. I like good music, and i dont care if it's underground or mainstream or whatever other words there are. All i say is that if you wanna get good album sales, you have to make a album which appeals to the wishes the mainstream has. And Snoop made a jewel with his last album, but nothing mainstream worthy.
And half the people in here are hipocrits cause i know they gonna reply with "fuck the mainstream" but yet the same people making such statements are obsessed with albumsales. It is what it is, i cant help it.
Good post. I agree with most of what you wrote, maybe not all, but at least you took the time to think out a reasonable argument and tried to be objective instead of just getting emotional like 99% of all hip hop fans. I'm gonna check for your posts in the future now. 8)
Oh, and same for Tanj's posts iin this thread, too.
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i reckon imagine would've been a better single to release, would've been good for promoting Dres record as well
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nate comes and goes, he's been hot, been not, got hot again, is not again, may get hot again with the right single
ANYWAY
-90% of people don't know what a producer is, let alone KNOW that Dr.Dre produced this.
-Would have blown up if Dre was in the video. This is Dre's fault.
-People want to see snoop/dre rap together. it's a media frenzy, and even people who don't know shit about shit remember G thang.
Xander, LMAO at you thinking anybody but us is evaluating dre's production as he releases shit. they don't even know that dre produces(women that buy music)
Noone, including radio stations, knows that Dre is involved with the track. People have short attention spans, burn the albums so they don't have the credits to read and guess what...even the people that did buy the record, don't read the credits.
toss a dre verse on there and dre in the video and MTV would have been ON it
dre is sucha popular figure, he doesn't even like to rap but he does because people demand it so much
he was probably mixing 50's two completed albums so was too busy to be in the video.
bottomline, 50's fault.
-T
1. How can you blame 50 for Dre not appearing in videos. Dre is old enough to make his own choices. If he wanna be in Snoop's video then he will be in it, trust me. And besides that, it's not like he's working 24/7 on 50's record, cause i doubt 50 will get more then 5 or 6 Dre beats. I think the main reason for Dre not being in Snoop's video is Detox.
2. Dre is popular, lol. We live in 2007 not in '92 or '99. Dre right now, is not really that popular. Akon is popular. Timbaland is popular. 50 Cent is popular. Dre is NOT popular, at least not to such a degree that he can match with other "popular" cats. I agree he's still a big name, but i dont see the whole mainstream checking for Snoop's record just cause they see Dre in that video...
3. So when people don't know the single is Dre produced it has no spins, maybe that's true, but it is exactly showing us hte state of the game. You have to have big names on your albums and songs in order to make it big, that is really awful you know. Imo, nobody checks for talented rappers/producers or original concepts anymore, its just the same old thing with the same old "hot" producers etc.
4. So you laugh at me, but you know, you contradict yourself with
Xander, LMAO at you thinking anybody but us is evaluating dre's production as he releases shit. they don't even know that dre produces(women that buy music)
Women that buy music (a big group which has a (big) influence on determining what's "popular" in/for the mainstream) dont know that Dre produces you say, how can you say right after that they should have made it clear Dre produced that song and even have him rapping. If a big part of the mainstream doesnt even know Dre (as a producer) then why should he be in it, and why could he have made this single a succes in the first place?
5. I say it again, if Akon replaced Nate the song would have been muuuuuuuch bigger. Akon is popular. He would have helped pushing the album. By the way why does Snoop put Nate on that song when people that gotta buy his album dont get Nate on that song, but Akon. Imo, that was a bad move. I like Nate's vocals but there was no reason Snoop should have put Nate on that song other then legal purposes (when Akon might not be able to appear in the video due to label policies or w/e) and therefore i really think Snoop made a bad move.
6. And last of all. Those videoclips are played out. Man just look at it, it is NOTHING special, nothing i tell you. It is just another one of those halfnaked girls/look-at-how-gangsta-i-am videos. People have seen that already, they wont check for it if it's not at least a tiny bit original. Fuck Snoop for making such a gay ass video and not putting actually some time in a more original product.
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Good post. I agree with most of what you wrote, maybe not all, but at least you took the time to think out a reasonable argument and tried to be objective instead of just getting emotional like 99% of all hip hop fans. I'm gonna check for your posts in the future now. 8)
Oh, and same for Tanj's posts iin this thread, too.
Props my man, im just trying to bring some higher level in discussions as "fuck Akon blablabla".
+1 for appreciating my posts as well as Tanji's.
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i wasn't laughing at you my dogg, it was the idea. you cool.
anyway, i wasn't saying make it clear dre produced it, I'm saying put him in the video. it'll get more spins from the powers that be. the powers that be (companies involved) will give it more love because it's dre/snoop and the bitches/masses will feed on what's fed to them.
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+1 to xander and blue ragg
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i wasn't laughing at you my dogg, it was the idea. you cool.
anyway, i wasn't saying make it clear dre produced it, I'm saying put him in the video. it'll get more spins from the powers that be. the powers that be (companies involved) will give it more love because it's dre/snoop and the bitches/masses will feed on what's fed to them.
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Yeah maybe youre right, if the stations and channels would show this video more and spin it more on the radio, cause they will recognize Dre & Snoop together, and then the masses will hear it more. Maybe, its just a matter of how you view it.
I think you also have to think from the point of the masses, they will like whats popular, so if you wanna sell you have to adjust your "product" to their wishes. But you can also force the people who bring your "product" to the masses (like the radiostations or tv channels in this case) to have your "product" in rotation, so the masses will get to know it as well.
I can see your point now, even though i think the single with Akon on it would do far more damage then Boss' Life with Dre and Nate on it...
Props for the great arguments. :)
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i think the reason for akon not being giving clearance for the video is that the label dont want to over expose him, radio will only play so much akon, people will get tired of him
hes got his own album, single with gwen stefani, bone thugs....etc
kinda like lil wayne appearing on every record during the last 3-4 months....kinda got played out...
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look mang, snoop and nas are my favourite rappers living....dre working with snoop is the best news for me within hiphop....this shit however aint shit, along with the rest of the dre snoop collabos on BCT....Imagine is a nice concept but its a sleep deep joint and the summer is about to pop off, aint nobody want to hear that, round here is a second rate attempt at a dre /50 joint....snoop and dre on a joint is amazing, aint nobody do it better than snoop and dre so when these niggaz make music and singles we expect big thangs, lay low shit....not boss life, this aint shit....
Infact let me say that snoops album is garbage too....and snoop didnt direct diss eminem....he said he dont listen his records..........white kids startin taking it over the top....
About snoop and RnG and not making hits no mo....thats bullshit....Drop it likes its hot was the biggest snoop joint since....a long as time....and it was desreved, that shit hit hard in the card, hood, club, it dont matter where you play that shit,its banging....dayum, try using that shit for your ringtone.....sounds banging.....snoop lost nuttin from making RnG.....what he should have did this time around was what he has done his whole career, the shit that made him the legend he is today, kept him relavant as a young hungry rapper to an OG ....kept reinventing himself......how he do that? he didnot listen to us...he did what he wants to do....he needs to get back to that i dont give a fuck what people think vibe and make some hits....thats the best snoop....
TBC had snoop ripping some verses but as a whole there was fillers and some of the beats were wack...
boss life flop? hell yeah nigga........snoop needs to work with neptunes no matter what some pussies on the internet say....snoop always come correct on a neptune beat....but they need to make some bangin shit again
snoop also needs to get back in the studio with dr dre....and get some inspired shit down.....snoop will always sell records........i just want to see him spit on detox next....and if after detox he will drop his last album....then i hope dre produces the whole thing....
im out
pz
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i like all of the snoop collabos on TBCT better than lay low and drop it like its hot. master p and goldie loc whackify the song, and drop it like it's hot is cool but it ain't dre level at all to me. it sounds sillily synthy but whatever.
i love round here, i tell you man those vocal melodies give it that extra oomph.
also, what do you mean white kids start taking it over the top? i really despise the fact that racism against blacks makes someone an automatic assholes but diss any other race here and it's ok. it's a dumb double standard imo.
you're gonna tell me that eminem imitation wasn't dissing?
"I'm a gangsta, i don't listen to eminem" records is an insult to Dre imo. but whatever.
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Dubcnn: You got me wrong, I wasn’t criticizing the song homie…
Snoop: No I’m just giving you, so you’ll know, so the viewers can know! A producer has a sound that’s identified with him. So that’s an identification that’s saying that Dr. Dre really put his hands on that track! I didn’t hear “Stan” on that song when I first heard it. That song didn’t remind of “Stan”, it made me wanna start talk shit about round here! It ain’t safe to leave the house, don’t fuck around round here! Niggas will put you in the ground, don’t fuck around round here! That’s what I was on! I wasn’t on no “Stan, write me a letter, I wanna come see you! You’re my favorite fan!” I wasn’t on that bullshit! I’m on gangsta shit homie!
1) Dr. Dre did not even produce Stan
2) I wasn't on that bullshit- diss. It's obvious by his tone changing in his voice he don't like the song, but the beat is cool.
3) I'm black and thought he was at the least clowning Eminem.
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Dubcnn: You got me wrong, I wasn’t criticizing the song homie…
Snoop: No I’m just giving you, so you’ll know, so the viewers can know! A producer has a sound that’s identified with him. So that’s an identification that’s saying that Dr. Dre really put his hands on that track! I didn’t hear “Stan” on that song when I first heard it. That song didn’t remind of “Stan”, it made me wanna start talk shit about round here! It ain’t safe to leave the house, don’t fuck around round here! Niggas will put you in the ground, don’t fuck around round here! That’s what I was on! I wasn’t on no “Stan, write me a letter, I wanna come see you! You’re my favorite fan!” I wasn’t on that bullshit! I’m on gangsta shit homie!
1) Dr. Dre did not even produce Stan
2) I wasn't on that bullshit- diss. It's obvious by his tone changing in his voice he don't like the song, but the beat is cool.
3) I'm black and thought he was at the least clowning Eminem.
+1
WATCH how fast Bitch Please III gets made when Eminem is hot again. THIS/Crooked I is the reason I have not bought TBCT.
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i like all of the snoop collabos on TBCT better than lay low and drop it like its hot. master p and goldie loc whackify the song, and drop it like it's hot is cool but it ain't dre level at all to me. it sounds sillily synthy but whatever.
i love round here, i tell you man those vocal melodies give it that extra oomph.
also, what do you mean white kids start taking it over the top? i really despise the fact that racism against blacks makes someone an automatic assholes but diss any other race here and it's ok. it's a dumb double standard imo.
you're gonna tell me that eminem imitation wasn't dissing?
"I'm a gangsta, i don't listen to eminem" records is an insult to Dre imo. but whatever.
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when did i diss whites?? i just said that it was white people mostly who got offended by that shit....eminem groupies....eminems fans are mostly white....but still....if i offended any white person out there....i apologize!!...lol
now about the double standards, thats bullshit....people see what they want to see......when white people get insulted personally, its racism...same with blacks...nuff said....
next....about the line....he said...i dont listen eminem...im a gangsta.....what he meant to say he listens to his shit even if he does not?......i can understand people saying its a diss to eminem, but its a slight diss at best...nuttin big, nuttin to be gettin your skirt pulled over for....eminem just dropped one of the worst mainstream albums in a long ass time for a hiphop superstar with encore...im glad snoop said that shit, maybe it'll make him step his game up
next....dre and snoop......i know you dig anything dre does, thats kool, dre is my favourite producer too...but i can still appreciate things outside the dre snoop shit that has been done which is amazing....neptunes drop it likes its hot....shits on anything dre and snoop have done on TBC in terms of originality, dopeness, funk, damn even popularity wise and hit wise it was bigger than the shit dre and snoop have done, and thats gotta be given its props for that shit....the joint s amazing just for the beat and the way snoop just westcoasts on it.......lay low, hennessey n buddah and the rest of the dre dnoop shit on last meal=fire.....dre/snoop on BCT=boooooring....dre dropped snoop shit which had zero funk, no musical shit goin for snoop...nuttin to get some energy out of him and it was shown in the end product....hopefully they both step it up on detox....
im sure snoop and eminem will collabo again....like i said, its a minor at best....nuttin to cry over
pz
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Dubcnn: You got me wrong, I wasn’t criticizing the song homie…
Snoop: No I’m just giving you, so you’ll know, so the viewers can know! A producer has a sound that’s identified with him. So that’s an identification that’s saying that Dr. Dre really put his hands on that track! I didn’t hear “Stan” on that song when I first heard it. That song didn’t remind of “Stan”, it made me wanna start talk shit about round here! It ain’t safe to leave the house, don’t fuck around round here! Niggas will put you in the ground, don’t fuck around round here! That’s what I was on! I wasn’t on no “Stan, write me a letter, I wanna come see you! You’re my favorite fan!” I wasn’t on that bullshit! I’m on gangsta shit homie!
1) Dr. Dre did not even produce Stan
2) I wasn't on that bullshit- diss. It's obvious by his tone changing in his voice he don't like the song, but the beat is cool.
3) I'm black and thought he was at the least clowning Eminem.
+1
WATCH how fast Bitch Please III gets made when Eminem is hot again. THIS/Crooked I is the reason I have not bought TBCT.
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haha you did not buy a record because of this statement?....
+1 for making me laugh
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i don't support what i don't support you know? furthermore there was always other stuff to buy from people i'd like to support. now let's say there was nothing else to buy, i woulda caved and got TBCT by now but there's tons of shit to buy.
anyway, I really liked TBCTs dre work. i'm not saying I can't appreciate non-dre producers, just saying i liked dre's tbct work better than drop it and lay low(a dre track). actually, i like 10 lil crips (neptunes) as much as I like "round here" (which is alot). i think 10 lil crips actually, is the best song on TBCT.
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i don't support what i don't support you know? furthermore there was always other stuff to buy from people i'd like to support. now let's say there was nothing else to buy, i woulda caved and got TBCT by now but there's tons of shit to buy.
anyway, I really liked TBCTs dre work. i'm not saying I can't appreciate non-dre producers, just saying i liked dre's tbct work better than drop it and lay low(a dre track). actually, i like 10 lil crips (neptunes) as much as I like "round here" (which is alot). i think 10 lil crips actually, is the best song on TBCT.
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thats kool....i see what you saying...you sure 10 lil crips was neptunes? i didnt know, i thought it was someone else....aight its kool....i would give you another props but some 60 minutes bullshit won't let me...lol
pz
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Yeah Dre's Last Meal beats are better than BCT's Dre beats. I just found the Eminem comment to be a diss. He also said he thought him and DOC were the only people that could wirte songs for Dre after 2001 came out. Anyway, I just notice when Eminem comes up in convo, it is a sore subject for Snoop and I felt he knew what that sample was. It was 2 huge hits for Dido and Em. But hey that is on them.
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^^you know when i was checkin round here at first, i didnt even recognize the sample,lol....but i see what your saying....snoop feels like eminem probably does take some of the shit he probably feels should be his....or eminem is fuckin with dre too much....like keeping dre from fuckin mo with the west...cuz i think when snoop gets down with dre, other west niggaz get the chance through snoop 2.....they should all make a move together again just for the fun....that time period when everything was poppin was fire
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^^you know when i was checkin round here at first, i didnt even recognize the sample,lol....but i see what your saying....snoop feels like eminem probably does take some of the shit he probably feels should be his....or eminem is fuckin with dre too much....like keeping dre from fuckin mo with the west...cuz i think when snoop gets down with dre, other west niggaz get the chance through snoop 2.....they should all make a move together again just for the fun....that time period when everything was poppin was fire
In a way if I was Snoop I would be pissed. I mean Dre left at the height of his career, started a new label, then said I don't wanna fuck with gangsta rap anymore. Only to come back, make 2001 and knowing gangsta rap is what he does best, calls Snoop and DPGC along with his new artists to create a gangsta rap album. He still collabs with Dre, but for me since Tha Last Meal it just not the same. It sounds like Dre just submits a beat an Snoop raps over it. I think Dre wanted nothing to do with the gangsta lifestyle after his experience at DR and that meant alienating Snoop for a while. I hate to use a R&B analogy but it's like when Puffy was working with Mary J and started up Bad Boy and then started working with Faith. Mary, like Snoop was lost a little bit musically but later on like Snoop showed she could still make hits without Puff. But I think the only way Dre and Snoop could rekindle that chemistry is to really sit and create songs together again. Just those 2 and maybe DOC.
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^^truth homie