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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on April 29, 2007, 01:39:51 PM
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Iran ban on 'Western' hairstyles
By Frances Harrison
BBC News, Tehran
Iranian police have warned barbers not to give men western hair styles or use make up on them.
The move is part of an unusually fierce crackdown on what is known locally as bad hijab, or un-Islamic clothing, that this year is also targeting men.
Hair stylists have been warned that they could lose their licenses if they do not comply.
However, police have denied a report that they have ordered barbers not to serve customers wearing ties.
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Police say that as well as avoiding western hairstyles and make up, barbers should not pluck customers' eyebrows.
Some young boys in Iran sport very wild hair styles , using gel to make their long hair stand on end in a fashion not seen in other countries.
Meanwhile newspapers in Iran have quoted the police as saying that 16,000 women and 500 men have been cautioned in the last week over their improper clothing.
It is not clear if these figures are nationwide or only apply to the capital, Tehran.
Iranian television has said the crackdown on un-Islamic clothing has entered its second phase now where mobile police units will patrol Tehran to look for those who are not observing Islamic dress properly.
According to the local media, Tehran's public prosecutor has suggested women who violate dress rules should be exiled from the capital to remote areas of the country.
A member of the parliament's legal committee has said there is no legal impediment to doing this.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/6605487.stm
Published: 2007/04/29 13:07:52 GMT
© BBC MMVII
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maybe this will bring peace to their shit hole waste land country
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A thread isn't a thread in the TOT until J Bananas puts in his 2 cents.
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who actually gives a fuck?
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who actually gives a fuck?
I'm aure if the Unites States banned certain styles of haircuts and clothes you would care.
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who actually gives a fuck?
I'm aure if the Unites States banned certain styles of haircuts and clothes you would care.
true,but i could care less what type of haircut an Iranian has..i just think its pointless to point out these things because obviously "us" bein westerners already think the middle-east is ass-backwards in thinking/living. let them do what they feel is right,we dont HAVE to approve.
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who actually gives a fuck?
I'm aure if the Unites States banned certain styles of haircuts and clothes you would care.
true,but i could care less what type of haircut an Iranian has..i just think its pointless to point out these things because obviously "us" bein westerners already think the middle-east is ass-backwards in thinking/living. let them do what they feel is right,we dont HAVE to approve.
It's not about improving. Obvously the Midde East is going to do whatever they want regardless of what Westerners think of it. But the point of TOT (which is rarely ever met these days) is to discuss various political, social, religous etc. issues. This banning definatly is showing some negative (and ignorant) attitudes towards Western countries.
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
Actually, Muslims have to be in a pure state before praying, which they do 5 times a day.... that means any time they take a piss or fart or anything they gotta wash themselves before praying... while it's normal in Europe to shower once a week.
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
Actually, Muslims have to be in a pure state before praying, which they do 5 times a day.... that means any time they take a piss or fart or anything they gotta wash themselves before praying... while it's normal in Europe to shower once a week.
Word I remember this German broad that was here as an exchange student when i was in high school. She stayed with one of my friend's family. She had hairy pits and never showered. She'd always try to come over to my house to swim and I told the homey he had to cut that short.
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i feel you Teddy. I just feel more attention should be paid to diplomatic resolutions than haircuts/headwear. My first post was not meant to be negative. Im all for discussion and you make a valid point.
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
Actually, Muslims have to be in a pure state before praying, which they do 5 times a day.... that means any time they take a piss or fart or anything they gotta wash themselves before praying... while it's normal in Europe to shower once a week.
normal in germany not the rest of europe
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i bet theyre still pissed about the whole sparta thing.
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Good for them, people who spike up their hair are cunts. :camp:
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
Actually, Muslims have to be in a pure state before praying, which they do 5 times a day.... that means any time they take a piss or fart or anything they gotta wash themselves before praying... while it's normal in Europe to shower once a week.
normal in germany not the rest of europe
Actually I've met people from France, Sweden, Denmark, and Holland who have all said pretty much the same thing...
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
Wanting to see who you're teaching? We're talking about a piece of cloth that covers a girl's hair, not her face.
Muslims caused a fuss over this because whether you want to admit it or not, the French law was targeting them.
The same rules? Oh you mean the non-Muslim girls are also not allowed to cover their heads... great logic. That's like me saying a Muslim country forcing every female to wear a headscarf is okay, and that non-Muslims causing a fuss would be just an over-reaction since the rule applies to everyone.
No matter what you say, it still is a law that's taking away their basic freedom. I know America's foreign policy is shit, but I can't deny the fact that unlike much of the rest of the world (some Middle Eastern countries and certain European ones), you can practice your religion freely here... the idea of not allowing someone to wear something like a headscarf at school would be considered absurd and ridiculous here.
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Do they get in trouble if they shower too much as well?
Actually, Muslims have to be in a pure state before praying, which they do 5 times a day.... that means any time they take a piss or fart or anything they gotta wash themselves before praying... while it's normal in Europe to shower once a week.
normal in germany not the rest of europe
Actually I've met people from France, Sweden, Denmark, and Holland who have all said pretty much the same thing...
Thats bs. People in Holland shower at least once a day. Most people even twice a day. I dont know what kind of people youve been talking to...
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
Wanting to see who you're teaching? We're talking about a piece of cloth that covers a girl's hair, not her face.
Muslims caused a fuss over this because whether you want to admit it or not, the French law was targeting them.
The same rules? Oh you mean the non-Muslim girls are also not allowed to cover their heads... great logic. That's like me saying a Muslim country forcing every female to wear a headscarf is okay, and that non-Muslims causing a fuss would be just an over-reaction since the rule applies to everyone.
No matter what you say, it still is a law that's taking away their basic freedom. I know America's foreign policy is shit, but I can't deny the fact that unlike much of the rest of the world (some Middle Eastern countries and certain European ones), you can practice your religion freely here... the idea of not allowing someone to wear something like a headscarf at school would be considered absurd and ridiculous here.
It's apples and oranges homey. I couldn't wear a hat in school either. There's no law that forbids them from covering their head out in public, or restaurants or whatever. There's no special forces unit assigned to patrol the streets looking for women in head scarves.
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
Wanting to see who you're teaching? We're talking about a piece of cloth that covers a girl's hair, not her face.
Muslims caused a fuss over this because whether you want to admit it or not, the French law was targeting them.
The same rules? Oh you mean the non-Muslim girls are also not allowed to cover their heads... great logic. That's like me saying a Muslim country forcing every female to wear a headscarf is okay, and that non-Muslims causing a fuss would be just an over-reaction since the rule applies to everyone.
No matter what you say, it still is a law that's taking away their basic freedom. I know America's foreign policy is shit, but I can't deny the fact that unlike much of the rest of the world (some Middle Eastern countries and certain European ones), you can practice your religion freely here... the idea of not allowing someone to wear something like a headscarf at school would be considered absurd and ridiculous here.
It's apples and oranges homey. I couldn't wear a hat in school either. There's no law that forbids them from covering their head out in public, or restaurants or whatever. There's no special forces unit assigned to patrol the streets looking for women in head scarves.
It's not apples and oranges... because we're talking about religion here. You aren't allowed to wear hats in most American high schools, but they make EXCEPTIONS for people who need to wear anything on their heads for religious reasons. Also, you have to remember that countries like France didn't ban the headscarf in schools for the same reasons that people aren't allowed to wear hats to school here in America.... they're doing it because of the religious symbolism attached. That's a breach of religious freedom.
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
Wanting to see who you're teaching? We're talking about a piece of cloth that covers a girl's hair, not her face.
Muslims caused a fuss over this because whether you want to admit it or not, the French law was targeting them.
The same rules? Oh you mean the non-Muslim girls are also not allowed to cover their heads... great logic. That's like me saying a Muslim country forcing every female to wear a headscarf is okay, and that non-Muslims causing a fuss would be just an over-reaction since the rule applies to everyone.
No matter what you say, it still is a law that's taking away their basic freedom. I know America's foreign policy is shit, but I can't deny the fact that unlike much of the rest of the world (some Middle Eastern countries and certain European ones), you can practice your religion freely here... the idea of not allowing someone to wear something like a headscarf at school would be considered absurd and ridiculous here.
It's apples and oranges homey. I couldn't wear a hat in school either. There's no law that forbids them from covering their head out in public, or restaurants or whatever. There's no special forces unit assigned to patrol the streets looking for women in head scarves.
It's not apples and oranges... because we're talking about religion here. You aren't allowed to wear hats in most American high schools, but they make EXCEPTIONS for people who need to wear anything on their heads for religious reasons. Also, you have to remember that countries like France didn't ban the headscarf in schools for the same reasons that people aren't allowed to wear hats to school here in America.... they're doing it because of the religious symbolism attached. That's a breach of religious freedom.
how come a muslim country like turkey banned the head scalf in schools
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People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
morrocco, eqypt, turkey all muslim countries which have banned the headscalf in 1 way or another
whats wrong with wanting to see who you are teaching etc. muslims always cause fuss over shit like this while everyone else just gets along with it and follows the SAME rules
Wanting to see who you're teaching? We're talking about a piece of cloth that covers a girl's hair, not her face.
Muslims caused a fuss over this because whether you want to admit it or not, the French law was targeting them.
The same rules? Oh you mean the non-Muslim girls are also not allowed to cover their heads... great logic. That's like me saying a Muslim country forcing every female to wear a headscarf is okay, and that non-Muslims causing a fuss would be just an over-reaction since the rule applies to everyone.
No matter what you say, it still is a law that's taking away their basic freedom. I know America's foreign policy is shit, but I can't deny the fact that unlike much of the rest of the world (some Middle Eastern countries and certain European ones), you can practice your religion freely here... the idea of not allowing someone to wear something like a headscarf at school would be considered absurd and ridiculous here.
It's apples and oranges homey. I couldn't wear a hat in school either. There's no law that forbids them from covering their head out in public, or restaurants or whatever. There's no special forces unit assigned to patrol the streets looking for women in head scarves.
It's not apples and oranges... because we're talking about religion here. You aren't allowed to wear hats in most American high schools, but they make EXCEPTIONS for people who need to wear anything on their heads for religious reasons. Also, you have to remember that countries like France didn't ban the headscarf in schools for the same reasons that people aren't allowed to wear hats to school here in America.... they're doing it because of the religious symbolism attached. That's a breach of religious freedom.
I was responding to this :
People in the West seem to forget about their own bullshit... i.e. not allowing Muslim females to wear headscarves in school.
So let me reiterate:
It's apples and oranges homey. I couldn't wear a hat in school either. There's no law that forbids them from covering their head out in public, or restaurants or whatever. There's no special forces unit assigned to patrol the streets looking for women in head scarves.
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I know what you were responding to, and that's exactly what my reply was to.
It's a breach of religious freedom.
Not allowing you to wear a hat is different from not allowing you to wear something on your head for religious reasons...
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how come a muslim country like turkey banned the head scalf in schools
You have to make the distinction between a Muslim country (where the government is run by people who impose laws based on Islam), and a country where the majority of people are Muslim (and as in the case of Turkey, most are secular... as you're probably aware, just this week there were hundreds of thousands of secular Turkish citizens protesting against what they see as a rise in the Islamic faction within the government). My point is that Turkey is pretty much a secular nation... there is no official religion, nor is there any state sponsored religion. Muslims can't even open up faith-based schools there. If you're asking why they did... I think the points brought up should explain why, and the explicit reason used to justify is the same as with the other nations... they don't want any clothing with religious symbolism in schools or government buildings.
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I know what you were responding to, and that's exactly what my reply was to.
It's a breach of religious freedom.
Not allowing you to wear a hat is different from not allowing you to wear something on your head for religious reasons...
It's not illegal to wear a head dress in the US. Some schools don't allow anything on people's heads indoors, some do. No one in the States will be arrested for wearing a burka, kufi, yamaka, whatever.
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I know what you were responding to, and that's exactly what my reply was to.
It's a breach of religious freedom.
Not allowing you to wear a hat is different from not allowing you to wear something on your head for religious reasons...
It's not illegal to wear a head dress in the US. Some schools don't allow anything on people's heads indoors, some do. No one in the States will be arrested for wearing a burka, kufi, yamaka, whatever.
I know that. I think you misunderstood my post.... I was explaining how in the U.S. you are allowed to wear a headscarf to school (even though you can't wear hats) because they make such exceptions for people wearing things on their heads for religious reaons... in France they didn't ban headgear... they banned the wearing of any item of clothing in school that would have any sort of religious symbolism... no headscarves, no large crosses, etc.
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I know what you were responding to, and that's exactly what my reply was to.
It's a breach of religious freedom.
Not allowing you to wear a hat is different from not allowing you to wear something on your head for religious reasons...
It's not illegal to wear a head dress in the US. Some schools don't allow anything on people's heads indoors, some do. No one in the States will be arrested for wearing a burka, kufi, yamaka, whatever.
I know that. I think you misunderstood my post.... I was explaining how in the U.S. you are allowed to wear a headscarf to school (even though you can't wear hats) because they make such exceptions for people wearing things on their heads for religious reaons... in France they didn't ban headgear... they banned the wearing of any item of clothing in school that would have any sort of religious symbolism... no headscarves, no large crosses, etc.
I see. I guess I was thinking when you said "The West" you meant the US.
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take it that next step....why don't they want it in government buildings and schools? because it promotes division and segregation. Recently the muslim council of britain wrote a letter school authorities here asking for about 1000 different 'special considerations' for muslim student, some of these things were fucking rediculas i'm glad they haven't been implements because i believe there should only be one set of rules if muslims have different rules applied to them its makes more likely they will be grouped with other muslims and non muslims with stay away.
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So if I were to say I have to wear a shiny ass FUBU hat for religious reasons since I joined a weird ass sect, it would make it aight? If not, then that is unfair.
That being said I'm all for secularisation. Religion and state should be seperated. Therefore, headscarves shouldn't be worn in public schools or in any other government-related buildings. Same goes for any other blatantly religious symbol, like big crosses and whatnot.
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take it that next step....why don't they want it in government buildings and schools? because it promotes division and segregation. Recently the muslim council of britain wrote a letter school authorities here asking for about 1000 different 'special considerations' for muslim student, some of these things were fucking rediculas i'm glad they haven't been implements because i believe there should only be one set of rules if muslims have different rules applied to them its makes more likely they will be grouped with other muslims and non muslims with stay away.
I agree with you on that... there shouldn't be a bunch of special considerations made for selective groups... because then you'd have to make them for everyone in order to appease them all... not practical... I agree with you 100%. But I don't see allowing somebody to wear something for religious reasons as having "different rules applied to them"... freedom of religion is for everyone. Seriously, I don't see how a Muslim girl wearing a headscarf or a Jew wearing a kippah would cause a problem. It's not like the school has to make any changes to its program, go out of its way to attend to special needs... it doesn't make anyone's job harder... it's allowed in American schools and seriously, it makes no difference to anyone or anything.
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So if I were to say I have to wear a shiny ass FUBU hat for religious reasons since I joined a weird ass sect, it would make it aight? If not, then that is unfair.
That being said I'm all for secularisation. Religion and state should be seperated. Therefore, headscarves shouldn't be worn in public schools or in any other government-related buildings. Same goes for any other blatantly religious symbol, like big crosses and whatnot.
Religion and state would still be separate. Nobody is asking the school to teach or promote any religion. An individual wearing something on his or her head for religious reasons doesn't imply that there is no longer a separation of church and state... there's a big difference between an individual wearing a cross around his or neck and the school putting a big ass cross in the middle of campus.
I don't see why it's no problem at all in America, but such a huge one for Europeans. It really makes no fucking difference to anyone else at the school, and every individual should have the right to practice his or her religion freely... that doesn't go against the idea of the church and state being separate.
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Are teachers also allowed to wear headscarves in America?
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Are teachers also allowed to wear headscarves in America?
Yeah. No employment discrimination + freedom of religion = no reason why they shouldn't be hired. It still doesn't mean the school is promoting any religion just because they're allowing an individual (teacher) to express hers freely.
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Are teachers also allowed to wear headscarves in America?
Yeah. No employment discrimination + freedom of religion = no reason why they shouldn't be hired. It still doesn't mean the school is promoting any religion just because they're allowing an individual (teacher) to express hers freely.
would they hire someone wearing the full face veil?
We recently had attention seeking whore take a school to court because she was told she couldn't teach wearing the veil because she was uncomfortable showing her face to men even though when she was interviewed it was with a man and she didn't cover her face. So she claimed a shed load of money in legal aid and took the school to court at the expense of the the pupils she wants to teach as ultimately it comes out of their budget and ordinary tax payers fut the bill on both sides for her bullshit case. Same shit happenned with the parents of a muslim girl in another school. Personally i think we should follow dutch route and the full face veil should be banned one of the july 21 london bombers escaped to italy dressed as a veiled women and we saw the hamas fighters in palestine running from that mosque dressed as women and therefore allowing people to hide their identity like this should not be allowed as it a security risk and obscures social interaction. We already have laws saying bikers can't wear tinted helmets into shops so they can't hide their identity i see this as being no different.
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Iran is a fucked up country
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would they hire someone wearing the full face veil?
I haven't seen it, so I can't say for sure... however, personally I think they shouldn't hire someone if they feel they must cover their face... not just because of the security threat posed but also because it's fucking retarded to think that you should work in an environment where you engage with other people, and cover your face... especially teaching...and I don't think it's discrimination because it prevents you from effectively doing your job as a teacher... if you feel like you can't show your face, then stay your ass home and don't work. I agree with your post.
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So if I were to say I have to wear a shiny ass FUBU hat for religious reasons since I joined a weird ass sect, it would make it aight? If not, then that is unfair.
smh @ this nonsense
for all its wackness
america > europe
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Iran is a fucked up country
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/twisted_blue/captain-obvious.jpg)
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So if I were to say I have to wear a shiny ass FUBU hat for religious reasons since I joined a weird ass sect, it would make it aight? If not, then that is unfair.
smh @ this nonsense
for all its wackness
america > europe
You gotta know
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Iran is a fucked up country
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/twisted_blue/captain-obvious.jpg)
Lol, ted
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