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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on April 30, 2007, 06:34:39 PM
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That is too many.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070430-0956-mexico-usa-.html
9:56 a.m. April 30, 2007
MEXICO CITY – Almost one in two Mexicans has a family member working in the United States, and a third of those were sent money in the past year, according to a survey published in Mexican daily El Universal Monday.
The poll of 1,000 people showed 45 percent had at least one relative across the border and 61 percent rated the money they send as “very important,” illustrating Mexico's reliance on remittances.
Some 11 million Mexicans in the United States sent home a record $23 billion to their families last year – Mexico's second-biggest source of foreign currency after oil imports, even dwarfing the tourism industry.
Monday's survey showed immigration to the United States, much of it illegal, peaked during the 1990s, after Mexico was battered by an economic crisis.
Eight percent of those polled said they themselves had worked in the United States at some time.
As many as one in two people in Mexico live on less than $5 a day, and a lack of job opportunities prompts thousands to risk their lives crossing the border illegally each year.
Border arrests were down by just under a third in the first few months of this year but more than 150 immigrants have already died trying to cross over, mainly of heat exhaustion.
The United States is building a 700-mile fence along parts of its 2,000-mile border with Mexico and boosting security by adding trucks with infrared cameras, underground sensors that detect footsteps and surveillance drones
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Guess how many of them are serving with the military? Or have sons and daughters serving?
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Stop being played for a fool real american, you noted at the bottom that the fence is being built, we don't actually know when it's being built but aside from that it's 700 miles long yet the border is 2000 miles therefore this is complete P.R complete tokenism. in addition to this you have the minute men being demonised and attacked as white racists, even though a third of the minutemen are hispanic. There are millions and millions of mexicans who have flocked to the promised lands of america and by the way the official figures as is always the case, are deliberately understated and yet George Bush is essentially proposing a complete amnesty, if you look beyond the rhetoric, see what he is actually proposing. Add to this mix, the almost daily devaluing of the U.S dollar and what do you think is the end result? the U.S economy is being deliberately destroyed. Your beloved country is being deliberately brought down and your precious leader George Bush and the people that pull his strings within the administration are complicit in this. This is not the fault of the mexicans, who can blame them for wanting to escape the vile tyranny they have suffered in Mexico but the people allowing the open borders are fully aware of what the end result will be.
By the way I am talking about illegal immigrants not mexicans/hispanics who went through the proper channels and who are in america legally.
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I don't give a fuck how many mexicans are here as long as they're legal.
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Theres been illegal immigrants since the start of America.
It IS NOT making the economy worse. If anything its making it better.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT THE IRISH WHEN THEY CAME TO THE US BECAUSE OF THEIR POTATO CROP FAILED.
IT WAS DURING THE 1800'S WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING AND IT WASNT JUST A COUPLE OF IRISH THAT CAME IT WAS MILLIONS OF THEM.
ONE THING i dont get is that, they say that immigrants are taking american jobs, but when it comes to the military nobody says anything. THE FIRST MARINE TO DIE IN IRAQ WASNT EVEN AN AMERICAN. HE WAS FROM GUATEMALA.
THERE ARE 32,000 "Green card Soldiers" fighting the "war on terror". NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
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Guess how many of them are serving with the military? Or have sons and daughters serving?
I don't think there are that many. You got any numbers?
Stop being played for a fool real american, you noted at the bottom that the fence is being built, we don't actually know when it's being built but aside from that it's 700 miles long yet the border is 2000 miles therefore this is complete P.R complete tokenism.
LOL. You are obviously unaware of how much of the border is unfit for crossing even without walls.
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there's some mexican dudes at work trying to do big crystal meth biz, that furiates you doesn't it Real American?
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
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I don't know how replying in caps makes a point anymore decisive in fact it works completely the opposite way, as the retort was akin to grade school thinking. Referring to the irish contingent that flocked to the shores of america is extremely ignorant when trying to justify or deflect from the impact of illegal immigration. How many inhabitants were in america when the irish came and how many inhabit now, some estimates put the current population at over 300 million though I will need to read more into. In terms of the illegal immigrants from a short term perspective it does benefit the economy yes but it does not benefit the daily lives of ordinary americans it massively benefits the major corporations. Of course illegal immigrants get exploited but they are also used as the weapon of choice to stretch resources to breaking point, transport infrastrastructure, health care, welfare, plus in addition a massive wave of immigration has the effect of driving down wages. At the same time, the dollar is being devalued to equal something less than the cost of toilet paper, outsourcing continues rampantly for example even Haliburton are leaving the shores to relocate in Dubai and the very budgets themselves are being plundered to the tunes of trillions.
Teddy if that was the case then why are there 11 million illegal immigrants officially, which probably means double in reality because of the way in which figures are massaged and manipulated? why if it so incredibly difficult is that I know for a fact that in Texas that mexicans cross with alarming regularity by using the border towns?. As for the cops in Mexico, they always turn a blind eye to illegal immigration over the border and or are paid off because that country really is run by corrupt fucks making the United States look like a kindergarten.
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That is too many.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070430-0956-mexico-usa-.html
9:56 a.m. April 30, 2007
MEXICO CITY – Almost one in two Mexicans has a family member working in the United States, and a third of those were sent money in the past year, according to a survey published in Mexican daily El Universal Monday.
The poll of 1,000 people showed 45 percent had at least one relative across the border and 61 percent rated the money they send as “very important,” illustrating Mexico's reliance on remittances.
Some 11 million Mexicans in the United States sent home a record $23 billion to their families last year – Mexico's second-biggest source of foreign currency after oil imports, even dwarfing the tourism industry.
Monday's survey showed immigration to the United States, much of it illegal, peaked during the 1990s, after Mexico was battered by an economic crisis.
Eight percent of those polled said they themselves had worked in the United States at some time.
As many as one in two people in Mexico live on less than $5 a day, and a lack of job opportunities prompts thousands to risk their lives crossing the border illegally each year.
Border arrests were down by just under a third in the first few months of this year but more than 150 immigrants have already died trying to cross over, mainly of heat exhaustion.
The United States is building a 700-mile fence along parts of its 2,000-mile border with Mexico and boosting security by adding trucks with infrared cameras, underground sensors that detect footsteps and surveillance drones
do you tryin to make us hate mexicans or what ?
Yuz a fuckin racist !
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I don't know how replying in caps makes a point anymore decisive in fact it works completely the opposite way, as the retort was akin to grade school thinking. Referring to the irish contingent that flocked to the shores of america is extremely ignorant when trying to justify or deflect from the impact of illegal immigration. How many inhabitants were in america when the irish came and how many inhabit now, some estimates put the current population at over 300 million though I will need to read more into. In terms of the illegal immigrants from a short term perspective it does benefit the economy yes but it does not benefit the daily lives of ordinary americans it massively benefits the major corporations. Of course illegal immigrants get exploited but they are also used as the weapon of choice to stretch resources to breaking point, transport infrastrastructure, health care, welfare, plus in addition a massive wave of immigration has the effect of driving down wages. At the same time, the dollar is being devalued to equal something less than the cost of toilet paper, outsourcing continues rampantly for example even Haliburton are leaving the shores to relocate in Dubai and the very budgets themselves are being plundered to the tunes of trillions.
Teddy if that was the case then why are there 11 million illegal immigrants officially, which probably means double in reality because of the way in which figures are massaged and manipulated? why if it so incredibly difficult is that I know for a fact that in Texas that mexicans cross with alarming regularity by using the border towns?. As for the cops in Mexico, they always turn a blind eye to illegal immigration over the border and or are paid off because that country really is run by corrupt fucks making the United States look like a kindergarten.
In Mexico they actually encourage Mexicans to cross the border illegally. It's an easy way for them to deal with the the country's poverty and expand their influence in America. And you are right about border towns and such, but that is why they are building more wall and increasing security. A lot of the border is desert. The separate walls are used to force these immigrants to cross through the deserts, mountains, and other dangerous areas where they have a lower chance of making it across. Ideally an entire wall would be great, but politicians and activists alike will do everything they can to prevent that. But to say they are building 700 miles even though there is 2,000 miles on the border is ineffective take into account how much walls there already is (not sure, but I'll guess 500), plus the 700 they are building, which equals 1,200 miles plus the inhospitable terrain. Not bad when you consider the border patrol etc. Should there be more? IMHO yes. But that doesn't make the current plan ineffective.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
It's not your own country moron. Believe it or not there weren't any whites in America just over 600-700 years ago. You're all immigrants too just like the rest of us except you guys came a couple of years earlier. The color of your skin does not make you superior you idiot. The only difference between us is that we have females with "cakes" and not white girl pancakes.
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Fair point actually teddy but the funding has been set aside for the building of a wall the construction has not taken place yet and could ultimately be pure rhetoric, there will now just be a presumption that the wall will get built and thus the issue seemingly gone away. Aslo what really leaves a bad taste in the mouth, is the mexicans are fleeing a brutal and oppressive societal structure within Mexico and yet instead of the U.S denouncing the Mexican government., they pally up to the government there.
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It IS NOT making the economy worse. If anything its making it better.
how the hell can taking money out a country make it better?
if money stays in the US its spent in the US.. if it leaves and is spent in mexico it makes mexico stronger
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Fair point actually teddy but the funding has been set aside for the building of a wall the construction has not taken place yet and could ultimately be pure rhetoric, there will now just be a presumption that the wall will get built and thus the issue seemingly gone away. Aslo what really leaves a bad taste in the mouth, is the mexicans are fleeing a brutal and oppressive societal structure within Mexico and yet instead of the U.S denouncing the Mexican government., they pally up to the government there.
So true. :stupid:
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It IS NOT making the economy worse. If anything its making it better.
how the hell can taking money out a country make it better?
if money stays in the US its spent in the US.. if it leaves and is spent in mexico it makes mexico stronger
Overseer just gave a simple economics lesson. When money is made and spent within it's own country, its economy gets stronger. Equilibrium, bitches.
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I swear there's a program to send retarded mexicans over the border, nothing about this involves race and yet that's the only argument people have. "They don't want us here cause we're brown!" "White people did it too!" "These Gringos are racist!" I'm all for latino pride, but it's a non-factor in all this.
I was watching the rallies yesterday and people are still treating this like it's an attack on latinos, but at least it wasn't as bad as last year.
It's fucked up cause I end up sounding like a redneck but it just doesn't add up for me.
I don't give a fuck how many mexicans are here as long as they're legal.
Exactly
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Guess how many of them are serving with the military? Or have sons and daughters serving?
I don't think there are that many. You got any numbers?
Stop being played for a fool real american, you noted at the bottom that the fence is being built, we don't actually know when it's being built but aside from that it's 700 miles long yet the border is 2000 miles therefore this is complete P.R complete tokenism.
LOL. You are obviously unaware of how much of the border is unfit for crossing even without walls.
According to the last Census, the latino population is 14.4%. I'm sure the Military will have similar numbers. Obviously if we're strictly going by Mexicans it's going to be lower, but I'm sure Real American's true beef is with illegal immigration in general so I'm sure when he says they are too many he's really referring to latinos in general.
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how the hell can taking money out a country make it better?
if money stays in the US its spent in the US.. if it leaves and is spent in mexico it makes mexico stronger
MOST LATINOS KEEP THE MONEY OVER HERE AND WHEN THEY DO SEND MONEY TO MEXICO IT AINT MUCH.
U ALSO GOT TO REMEMBER THAT WE PAY TAXES, WE PURCHASE THINGS HERE.
AND WHUT IS MAKING THE U.S. ECONOMY STRONGER IS THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS MAKE LESSSS THEN THE MINIMUM WAGE. EMPLOYERS ARE PAYING THEM LESS THEN THEY WOULD A AMERICAN SO THE U.S. ECONOMY KEEPS MORE MONEY.
SO IMMIGRANTS ARE HELPING THE U.S. ECONOMY.
AND NOBODY HAS ARGUED WIT ME ABOUT THIS THAT I SAID EARLIER:
Theres been illegal immigrants since the start of America.
It IS NOT making the economy worse. If anything its making it better.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT THE IRISH WHEN THEY CAME TO THE US BECAUSE OF THEIR POTATO CROP FAILED.
IT WAS DURING THE 1800'S WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING AND IT WASNT JUST A COUPLE OF IRISH THAT CAME IT WAS MILLIONS OF THEM.
ONE THING i dont get is that, they say that immigrants are taking american jobs, but when it comes to the military nobody says anything. THE FIRST MARINE TO DIE IN IRAQ WASNT EVEN AN AMERICAN. HE WAS FROM GUATEMALA.
THERE ARE 32,000 "Green card Soldiers" fighting the "war on terror". NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
HOW COME NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING THESE 32,000 IMMIGRANT SOLDIERS OUT OF THE WAR IN IRAQ.
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This we we thing is bullshit, as is your constant desire to write in caps, you are not an illegal immigrant therefore why would you defend illegal immigrants? You are also wrong in your assertions that not a lot of money is sent back by illegals, it is a massive figure, I will do some more research before I actually approximate a figure. As for what you mentioned about the U.S army I have read that there is a sizeable contingent of illegal immigrants fighting in the U.S army, which can not be a good thing at all because it means you have foreign mercenaries in the forces.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
what makes it your country? LMFAO whites were not the first people there, mexicans have deeper ties to america than white people.
anyway, the illegals arent that bad for america, they provide cheap labor and they wont send all their income out. but there are 11 million mexicans, so the small amounts they send out do add up. that said, i dont think it makes that much a difference on the american economy, the amounts employers save on hiring mexicans more than likely outweighs the amount of money sent out of the country.
there is a loss, but there is also a gain in productivity. so it aint that bad.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
what makes it your country? LMFAO whites were not the first people there, mexicans have deeper ties to america than white people.
We also make the majority in most cities in California. This is our country now...
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Mexicans Are Here 2 Stay Bitches!!!! :bandit:
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LOL and some of you yanks actually thinkin that it's only YOUR country... you surely know shit about your history
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
what makes it your country? LMFAO whites were not the first people there, mexicans have deeper ties to america than white people.
anyway, the illegals arent that bad for america, they provide cheap labor and they wont send all their income out. but there are 11 million mexicans, so the small amounts they send out do add up. that said, i dont think it makes that much a difference on the american economy, the amounts employers save on hiring mexicans more than likely outweighs the amount of money sent out of the country.
there is a loss, but there is also a gain in productivity. so it aint that bad.
It doesn't work like this. For every cheap ass labour illegal there might be a good legal woman trying to make a legal, taxed buck.
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This we we thing is bullshit, as is your constant desire to write in caps, you are not an illegal immigrant therefore why would you defend illegal immigrants? You are also wrong in your assertions that not a lot of money is sent back by illegals, it is a massive figure, I will do some more research before I actually approximate a figure. As for what you mentioned about the U.S army I have read that there is a sizeable contingent of illegal immigrants fighting in the U.S army, which can not be a good thing at all because it means you have foreign mercenaries in the forces.
I am not an illegal immigrant but i got a lot of family that are. Sum of my family are no longer illegals and sum still are.
TELL ME THIS. illegal immigrants have been coming in huge numbers to America since the 1800's.
NOW TELL ME. has the economy gotten better or worse since the 1800's?
EVERYTHING THATS HAPPENING right now is nothing new. BEFORE the Irish were the ones that were taking americans jobs. Now its the mexicans.
THERER HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HUGE NUMER OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND IT HAS DONE NOTHING BUT HELPED THE ECONOMY.
AND THE PROOF IS ALL U GOT TO LOOK AT IS THE 1800'S AND NOW
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Consider the U.S as a giant life boat, it can usually fit 50 people but another 50 jump on and suddenly some more people jump onto the boat also so slowly the boat begins to sink then at the very same time imagine that the economy is the lining of the boat, before your very eyes the boat is being stripped while you sit in it. You are extremely biased because you have family who are illegal immigrants and therefore you will dispute based on your emotional involvement. However this notion that illegal immigrants do not drive down wages, do not drain the economy by transferring large amounts out of the country and don't drain the very resources of the country are absolutely absurd. People are deemed illegal immigrants for a reason and it has nothing to do with racism, people try and frame it around that to provoke both outrage and guilt that anybody should have a problem with illegal immigration. I constantly read this notion that's it's immoral to let others suffer but it's also immoral not to protect the people who are already living there.
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LOL and some of you yanks actually thinkin that it's only YOUR country... you surely know shit about your history
you surely don't know what people are upset about. And it really shows how bright you are that you're thinking the brooks fucker is real.
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We also make the majority in most cities in California. This is our country now...
Mexicans have their own country, it's called Mexico.
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Consider the U.S as a giant life boat, it can usually fit 50 people but another 50 jump on and suddenly some more people jump onto the boat also so slowly the boat begins to sink then at the very same time imagine that the economy is the lining of the boat, before your very eyes the boat is being stripped while you sit in it. You are extremely biased because you have family who are illegal immigrants and therefore you will dispute based on your emotional involvement. However this notion that illegal immigrants do not drive down wages, do not drain the economy by transferring large amounts out of the country and don't drain the very resources of the country are absolutely absurd. People are deemed illegal immigrants for a reason and it has nothing to do with racism, people try and frame it around that to provoke both outrage and guilt that anybody should have a problem with illegal immigration. I constantly read this notion that's it's immoral to let others suffer but it's also immoral not to protect the people who are already living there.
i see whut your saying. BUT tell me this.
How come the economy hasnt gone down since the 1800's when the Irish came as illegal immigrants to America.
Theres been Illegal immigrants since the start of America. Right now the economy is real strong. WHY DO U THINK? Its cause of the immigrants.
Mexicans are going trough whut the Irish and Germans went trough during the 1800s.
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We also make the majority in most cities in California. This is our country now...
Mexicans have their own country, it's called Mexico.
So do people of British, German, French, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Italian, Irish, etc descent.... so what then defines an American? If all our ancestors came here for a better life, who are we to tell others that they can't? (I'm not talking about illegal immigrants here, just responding to the comment above). Really, the only group that even has the room to make your statement, however dumb and irrational it may be, is the Native Americans.... but then again,the barbaric Europeans made sure to kill off almost their entire population in their genocide.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
what makes it your country? LMFAO whites were not the first people there, mexicans have deeper ties to america than white people.
anyway, the illegals arent that bad for america, they provide cheap labor and they wont send all their income out. but there are 11 million mexicans, so the small amounts they send out do add up. that said, i dont think it makes that much a difference on the american economy, the amounts employers save on hiring mexicans more than likely outweighs the amount of money sent out of the country.
there is a loss, but there is also a gain in productivity. so it aint that bad.
It doesn't work like this. For every cheap ass labour illegal there might be a good legal woman trying to make a legal, taxed buck.
yeah i realise that, i didnt say illegals are good, but they wont destroy america.
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the bottom line is these illegals whether they are mexican or cuban or whatever are here to stay until otherwise deported from the states, but what is the posibility of all these people actually getting deported back to their homeland? Highly unlikey, too many illegals, most of them even have American children so what's to do with them? deport their parents and put the children in fosterhomes?
i think the right way to attack this problem is basically shutting off the border, though i don't know how effective that maybe, but it is a start in the right direction instead of focusing on those who ARE HERE, lets deal with those who AREN'T YET HERE.
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My thing is the Mexicans have as much claim to California and the American southwest as anyone. Most of the people in this country, no matter their country of origin, can't truly claim to be legal immigrants. This country was built on illegal immigration and has continued to grow because it. No matter how much money that is supposedly being sent back to Mexico, far more has to be spent here, in this country, just to live here.
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I don't give a fuck how many mexicans are here as long as they're legal.
Amen
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Peep game: Our governement subsidizes and encourages illegal immigration. We've mandated that states must provide free education, medical care and benefits to illegals. That is another reason they bring their families over here.
Don't be mad at Mexicans for exploiting this system - straight up don't hate the player, hate the game. Legislation needs to be re-written so that we're not encouraging it.
FYI, I'm echoing Ron Paul's stance on this issue which can be seen in this post:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=143483.0 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=143483.0)
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sense some of you are thick headed lets use a real situation for you to under stand... Ok lets see what france did.. They have been letting islamics in by the groves. Now there so over runned its killing htem and there trying to take over.. Now they are trying to get rid of them but the leagely cant.. Im surprised that hasnt been brought up here.. I also like the post above saying is like the life boat and what not thats on point 100%
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
Basically, we are all illegal immigrants to America. Deal with it.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
Basically, we are all illegal immigrants to America. Deal with it.
To me anyone born here LEAGLY isnt and immigrant
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
Basically, we are all illegal immigrants to America. Deal with it.
To me anyone born here LEAGLY isnt and immigrant
Well it's impossible to be born here illegally.
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fuck illeagals... We need to deport some leagals too.. I find it sad in 20 years whites will be minoritys in our own country in fact it makes me sick
Basically, we are all illegal immigrants to America. Deal with it.
To me anyone born here LEAGLY isnt and immigrant
Well it's impossible to be born here illegally.
lol
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lol to me if you run across pregnet and have a baby and you are illeagal it should be illeagal.. it should be like that anywhere if your an illeagal
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lol to me if you run across pregnet and have a baby and you are illeagal it should be illeagal.. it should be like that anywhere if your an illeagal
I agree 100%.