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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on May 07, 2007, 09:29:23 PM
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Here's where Dr. Ron stands on lots of issues. He's the realest candidate the USA has seen in 20 years.
WHY HE'S RUNNING:
I am arguing that (Republicans) have lost their way. Right now, on the surface, a lot of Republicans in Washington will be critical of my positions, saying "I don't support the president or the party," but if you look at our platform, our state platforms, our policy positions, I would say we have lost our way. And quite frankly, I have not seen anybody running for the presidency on the Republican ticket that's actually offering to stand up and stand for the principals the Republican Party has been built on.
In the past six years, when the foreign policy really changed, when we accepted the notion of pre-emptive war, a strong violation of our personal civil liberties, (we) at the same time (became) the party of entitlements, doubling the size of the Department of Education, McCain-Feingold. These are all things that Republicans used to criticize and not support, and all of a sudden we accept them. In essence, we have accepted what has traditionally been the Democratic platform -- increase entitlements and foreign intervention, getting involved in quagmires abroad.
IRAQ:
The president, if we are attacked or there is an imminent threat, has the authority to go to war. That's been clearly understood since the Constitution. ... The president, as commander in chief, can defend his country in times of emergency. But you know what? That has never happened in all these years. Even with the Soviet threat. ... Under today's conditions, the policy has significantly changed for the worse. That is, we now have established that our policy is to pre-emptively strike a country that has not attacked us and is not a threat to us. We just want to go in and have regime change.
We ought to look to the Constitution. ... We should only fight when there is a declaration of war, when there is an extreme circumstance. We should not have all options on the table to attack Iran when they don't have a weapon.
We shouldn't finance bad policy or unconstitutional war.
Ron Paul: A Conservative Study in Contrasts
IMMIGRATION:
The problem of illegal immigration is one of the top issues in this country. ... People are really, really disgusted with it. I think the immigration problem is in some ways a symptom. And my position is that if you subsidize something, you get more of it. And we subsidize and encourage illegal immigration. It started in the 1980s when amnesty was given after illegals came here.
Amnesty, ... I don't like that idea; I don't want to reward those who are already here. I don't think anybody has an easy answer about what to do with those who are already here. I think we ought to enforce the law, but what kind of an army would you need to round them up?
I also don't support a pathway to citizenship. They cannot get in the front of the line; I would not reward them in any way whatsoever.
I would also get rid of all the mandates from the federal government that say the states must provide free education, medical care and benefits to illegals. That is another reason they bring their families over here.
I believe we should beef up the borders, and I believe it should be civilian, not military. I believe we shouldn't be worried about the border between North and South Korea after 50 years or about the border between Iraq and Syria. I mean, that's where all our money and personnel is going. I think we should bring the troops home and getting them out of the war mode and probably be using the resources … to beef up our borders without adding any cost to the budget.
SPENDING:
I don't think there is one single budget you can't cut. Politically, the easiest budget to cut is the overseas expenditures. And then you deal with other problems as time goes on. I certainly would not be signing a bill that would double the size of the DOE or increase the size of the entitlement system or a drug company-promoted prescription drug program. That's where we as Republicans have fallen down, and that is the reason our base was very unhappy last September.
TAXES:
We lived in this country a long time without income tax, but then we had limited government. I don't think we need an income tax. I promised my people I would do anything and everything I can to get rid of the income tax, to repeal the 16th Amendment, never vote to raise taxes and always vote to lower taxes. And it's been a popular position. My slogan at home has always been "the taxpayers' best friend," and most people like that regardless of what party they are in.
CAMPAIGN STRATEGY:
I felt good about every trip I have taken. We always pick up support and enthusiasm, … and the reception has been good. We don't have $100 million in the bank; we are not supported by wealthy special interests, so we are not polling. ... We actually wanted to limit the campaign to four or five early states, but the pressure is to have everybody together, so small candidates like myself are cut off before we get any traction whatsoever.
Republicans sometimes get intimidated that they have to follow the party instead of the platform and our promises in the Constitution. My job … is to make conservatives feel comfortable on any number of issues for really following through on what they believe in.
STEM CELL RESEARCH:
I think stem cell research is crucial and is very, very important. Medically, it has a great future. The answers aren't in yet, completely. Politicians and bureaucrats and the FDA don't know either. I don't think that's where it should be determined. I think it should be determined in the marketplace. In Washington, we've only had two choices. Either prohibit it or finance it. My position is we shouldn't do either. ... It should be up to the states to devise the rules and laws of what you can or can't do. ...
I am strongly pro-life, and the worst thing I can think of is to manufacture babies to be used for research. But as an obstetrician, I have on quite a few cases had to do surgery on a woman who had a pregnancy in the fallopian tube. The fetus is small and alive, but if you don't operate on them, the fetus dies and the patient dies. ... I don't see any reason why you can't use that fetal tissue for research.
GOLD STANDARD:
I don't exactly say, 'Let's go back to the gold standard,' and you may chuckle a little bit, … but the question has to be turned around. What is it that possesses anybody to think that governments, which (are) not trusted by anybody, should have the power to create money out of thin air and create runaway spending and allow the politicians to not worry about deficits in order to buy reelection? And allow them to police the world and allow them to provide all these big benefits? ... That is the most astounding philosophy in the world, and it has never worked, … and now we are in the process of a failing dollar. ... So, yes, I want to restore integrity to the money, not be a counterfeiter. My proposal is not to close the Federal Reserve down and go back to the 19th century, it's just to legalize that which the founders consider(ed) very important.
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Like I said, Jrome, I am very upset with you for supporting a right-wing cracker. You get the chopper in the face for that shit, Uncle Tom.
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Jrome, do you know his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue? Is he in favor of our country's citizens having billions and billions of their tax dollars going to support the corrupt Israeli regime? Or is he like almost every other presidential candidate of the present/past (exceptions like Kucinich come to mind) who refuse to take a stand, in fear that their campaign will become a lost cause?
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I just read a few of his articles and his view seems to be one of non-intervention... that America should stop trying to police the world, and let people deal with their own shit.
I can respect that. I'm far from considering myself a conservative, but I do respect his views because of his reasons and justifications for his stances. He seems to follow an approach adhering strictly to the constitution... can't hate on a guy for that. But then again, I'm not too fond of all libertarian ideals.... to me some of their things are a little extreme... this may be an exaggerated hypothetical but I wouldn't want companies to end up owning roads and charging people to drive on them.
Overall though I must say he's better than most of the other candidates on the Republican side.
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He wants to do away with the Fed., CIA and the Income tax. He wants to strengthen the failing dollar. He wants to do away with neo-conservatism.
Vote for Ron Paul in 08'
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Jrome, do you know his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue? Is he in favor of our country's citizens having billions and billions of their tax dollars going to support the corrupt Israeli regime? Or is he like almost every other presidential candidate of the present/past (exceptions like Kucinich come to mind) who refuse to take a stand, in fear that their campaign will become a lost cause?
Hmm, I honestly don't know that answer but I'll see if I can't dig up something that would indicate his stance. But like you said, he's VERY anti-interventionist, so I'd imagine that his primary stance would be to not stick his nose where it doesn't belong. But outside of that, I don't know.
I just read a few of his articles and his view seems to be one of non-intervention... that America should stop trying to police the world, and let people deal with their own shit.
I can respect that. I'm far from considering myself a conservative, but I do respect his views because of his reasons and justifications for his stances. He seems to follow an approach adhering strictly to the constitution... can't hate on a guy for that. But then again, I'm not too fond of all libertarian ideals.... to me some of their things are a little extreme... this may be an exaggerated hypothetical but I wouldn't want companies to end up owning roads and charging people to drive on them.
Overall though I must say he's better than most of the other candidates on the Republican side.
Believe me, I've never considered myself conservative / liberal or republican / democrat. Politically it's always been satan vs. satan for me. And I can't underscore how difficult it is for me to watch these debates because I want to punch a hole through the screen out of both frustration and how sickening it is that people actually believe any of this shit. But having read about Paul and being very intrigued by his ideology, I forced myself to watch it and he completely reinforced my initial perception of him.
I've never even remotetly identified with any candidate until now. Paul is unique - he's EXTREMELY consistent in his voting; more than any other candidate on the ticket. He doesn't pander, he has clear and defined goals and sticks to them regardless. He doesn't have multi-million dollar lobbyists padding his pockets to futher their agendas.
Here's a summary of his answers from the Republican Debate. By the way, he was declared the winner:
http://youtube.com/v/t_oTzFMuU_M
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I'll just be happy that Neo-Cons will be out
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He is defiantly one of the best candidates IMO. Wouldn't mind seeing him for president in '08. 8) Of course Bush will be gone so it's an automatic step up.
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(http://dennis-kucinich-news.newslib.com/img/logo/183.jpg)
this guy right here is who Paul reminds me of. Kucinich is the liberal version of him, just with a liberal slant. Reality is, even though both did great in the debates, neither will win. Get ready for Guiliani/Clinton, and as a Democrat, I'm voting Guiliani, because I hate monachies. My support, Obama, if you want real change, vote for someone who actually is real change.
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How high is the income tax in the US right now?
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if i make 700$ a week the would take over 200$ of it. So yes abolishing it would make a huge difference.
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how is it possible to completely abolish income tax?
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I'll just be happy that Neo-Cons will be out
I agree, but if you think Romney / Guiliani is any different than say Obama / Clinton, you're mistaken. All of them are playing the exact same game.
Ron Paul is the man who would "RIP THE PROVERBIAL FEDERAL SILVER SPOON" out of MANY mouths in Washington, and at all levels of government. He is the epitome of all those movies you see where "you know something that the government doesn't want to get out so they try to "erase" you"... only I'm serious. He IS dangerous to all the waste, all the illegally funded programs, the war efforts, etc. He is NOT what EITHER side of the present day federal government wants to see, which to me means he IS exactly what I want.
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^^^^^ exactly why i am doing my part and spreading the word.
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(http://dennis-kucinich-news.newslib.com/img/logo/183.jpg)
this guy right here is who Paul reminds me of. Kucinich is the liberal version of him, just with a liberal slant. Reality is, even though both did great in the debates, neither will win. Get ready for Guiliani/Clinton, and as a Democrat, I'm voting Guiliani, because I hate monachies. My support, Obama, if you want real change, vote for someone who actually is real change.
Why concede so early on? Because he's not endorsed or given fair airtime my mainstream media? I'm sorry man, but FUCK THAT. The internet is 1000x more powerful than any mainstream media shenanigans (which is why all these fake ass politicians want to control and regulate it). Think about it - Ron Paul is ABC / NBC / CBS's worst nightmare because he is proof that people can get the TRUTH about America and The World without going through a middle man w/ an agenda.
If you think America is in an INCREDIBLY dangerous and potentially fatal situation (which it is), Ron Paul is the answer, imo. Spread the word man and don't concede defeat.
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(http://dennis-kucinich-news.newslib.com/img/logo/183.jpg)
this guy right here is who Paul reminds me of. Kucinich is the liberal version of him, just with a liberal slant. Reality is, even though both did great in the debates, neither will win. Get ready for Guiliani/Clinton, and as a Democrat, I'm voting Guiliani, because I hate monachies. My support, Obama, if you want real change, vote for someone who actually is real change.
Why concede so early on? Because he's not endorsed or given fair airtime my mainstream media? I'm sorry man, but FUCK THAT. The internet is 1000x more powerful than any mainstream media shenanigans (which is why all these fake ass politicians want to control and regulate it). Think about it - Ron Paul is ABC / NBC / CBS's worst nightmare because he is proof that people can get the TRUTH about America and The World without going through a middle man w/ an agenda.
If you think America is in an INCREDIBLY dangerous and potentially fatal situation (which it is), Ron Paul is the answer, imo. Spread the word man and don't concede defeat.
I don't think Ron Paul is the answer. I perfer Kucinich anyday over Ron Paul, but I'm a liberal.
I have decided though, that if Clinton wins the Republican nomination, I'm voting Green. I was thinking Guiliani, but his too dangerous, and will basically be a pro-life version of Bush, who right now America hates. But if America hates Bush, but supports Guiliani who will be the same, it makes you wonder, does America think it knows what it wants.
Now Ron Paul is in a bad situation, it will be hard for him to win the Republican nomination. He reminds me of Pat Buchanan. Pat against Bush I, and basically tried to get the Republicans to go back to what they stand for. Same with Paul, his a TRUE Republican. Republicans use to be all like Ron Paul during the 70's-2000, then Bush tried to change it with his Compassionate Conservatism, which is neither compassionate or conservatism.
Harsh reality, Only Republican who has a chance at change is Mitch Rommy, he is the only one that can challenge Guiliani. Ron Pauls only hope on being on the balliot in Nov. 2008 is on a third party ticket. Also, the internet is powerful, and when our generation gets into power, the internet will be unstoppable. But right now, the Baby Boomers are in power, and their numbers are larger than the Millenials (a.k.a. Gen Y), and since the Reagan years, they've chose the president.
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I perfer Kucinich anyday over Ron Paul, but I'm a liberal.
I have decided though, that if Clinton wins the Republican nomination, I'm voting Green.
Republicans use to be all like Ron Paul during the 70's-2000, then Bush tried to change it with his Compassionate Conservatism, which is neither compassionate or conservatism.
You prefer Kucinich over Ron Paul BECAUSE you're a liberal... not in spite of the fact.
Clinton = Democrat
No, Republicans didn't all use to be like Ron Paul during the 1970-2000 years.
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So that is why you have been dissed so many times recently Jrome speaking of course about your karma taking a pounding lol obviously your screen name has that type of impact!. I respect the fact that you have taken the time to really look into this politician he is what the people need and this is therefore why the media are launching a blackballing campaign against them. I understand the justification you gave about perhaps sour grapes on the part of the media but it goes much deeper than that the major media corporations are affiliated with the republicans or democrats and their ideology goes right to the core of this. In political circles Ron Paul is something of a renegade what he stands for can cause a great deal of harm to the very interests which currently wield so much power and that is why they are trying to stop him. I don't think he is under any illusions here he knows that he got could get shot for this just like Kennedy was (referring to the recently released E Howard Hunt confessions.
This is what makes his stance all the more commendable because he is putting himself in very dangerous waters....it's nothing for him to be assasinated, that's not paranoia or crazy talk it's just fact. I really wish there was a comparable person in British politics but instead the candidates are a joke who simply play a dog and pony show which in truth when you skim past the rhetoric their policies are exactly the same and this is admitted by former politicians on both sides when pressed on the issue. Ron Paul needs to be elected president not just for americans but for everyone, the geopoliticial ramifications would be absolutely enormous, Obama is scum and that is the truth why else would he vote in favour of HR166, an act which allows the U.S to declare any U.S citizen an enemy combatant, Guliani it's been well documented by the first responders how he completely abandoned them, Hilary is unashamedly a war mongerer.
Which is where these political tags like conservative liberal begin to look very worn because in truth these candidates do the complete opposite to what is says on the tin. Notice how a continual semantical word battle is being waged in which they have simply tried to redefine these terms i.e. Kuzinich is described as a liberal and yet he wants to enforce a complete gun ban. The right to bear arms is protected under the constitution and under the constitution these are your god given rights, whether you believe in god is irrelevant to the principle of the constitution As for this notion that a well regulated militia describes the national guard thus citizens have no legal right to bear arms, that is simply untrue. If you look more into Jeffersons writings you can find many instances where he explicitly details every man having a gun to protect himself against the dangers of tyranny i will find some of his quotes. Also of course hypothetically speaking it would mean Kuzinich would be swearing an oath to uphold the consititution and yet would then be committing open treason.
Here is a few example;
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
Zacharia Johnson argued that the new Constitution could never result in religious persecution or other oppression because:
"[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
Roger Sherman, during House consideration of a militia bill (1790):
[C]onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
14 Debates in the House of Representatives, ed. Linda Grand De Pauw. (Balt., Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 1972), 92-3.
Many more quotes can be found here .
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So that is why you have been dissed so many times recently Jrome speaking of course about your karma taking a pounding lol obviously your screen name has that type of impact!. I respect the fact that you have taken the time to really look into this politician he is what the people need and this is therefore why the media are launching a blackballing campaign against them. I understand the justification you gave about perhaps sour grapes on the part of the media but it goes much deeper than that the major media corporations are affiliated with the republicans or democrats and their ideology goes right to the core of this. In political circles Ron Paul is something of a renegade what he stands for can cause a great deal of harm to the very interests which currently wield so much power and that is why they are trying to stop him. I don't think he is under any illusions here he knows that he got could get shot for this just like Kennedy was (referring to the recently released E Howard Hunt confessions.
This is what makes his stance all the more commendable because he is putting himself in very dangerous waters....it's nothing for him to be assasinated, that's not paranoia or crazy talk it's just fact. I really wish there was a comparable person in British politics but instead the candidates are a joke who simply play a dog and pony show which in truth when you skim past the rhetoric their policies are exactly the same and this is admitted by former politicians on both sides when pressed on the issue. Ron Paul needs to be elected president not just for americans but for everyone, the geopoliticial ramifications would be absolutely enormous, Obama is scum and that is the truth why else would he vote in favour of HR166, an act which allows the U.S to declare any U.S citizen an enemy combatant, Guliani it's been well documented by the first responders how he completely abandoned them, Hilary is unashamedly a war mongerer.
Which is where these political tags like conservative liberal begin to look very worn because in truth these candidates do the complete opposite to what is says on the tin. Notice how a continual semantical word battle is being waged in which they have simply tried to redefine these terms i.e. Kuzinich is described as a liberal and yet he wants to enforce a complete gun ban. The right to bear arms is protected under the constitution and under the constitution these are your god given rights, whether you believe in god is irrelevant to the principle of the constitution As for this notion that a well regulated militia describes the national guard thus citizens have no legal right to bear arms, that is simply untrue. If you look more into Jeffersons writings you can find many instances where he explicitly details every man having a gun to protect himself against the dangers of tyranny i will find some of his quotes. Also of course hypothetically speaking it would mean Kuzinich would be swearing an oath to uphold the consititution and yet would then be committing open treason.
Here is a few example;
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
Zacharia Johnson argued that the new Constitution could never result in religious persecution or other oppression because:
"[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
Roger Sherman, during House consideration of a militia bill (1790):
[C]onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
14 Debates in the House of Representatives, ed. Linda Grand De Pauw. (Balt., Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 1972), 92-3.
Many more quotes can be found here .
You covered a lot here. But let me bring up a point about this gun control issue. I'm kind of in split on the issue of gun control, but it is irelevent what Jefferson (and a few others) felt about militia and guns. He wasn't the one who approved the constitution alone. In order to find out what is meant by this amendment, you'd have to look at the views of all people who voted for the constitution. Even then it is open to interpertation by the courts.
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With Alberto Gonzalez anything is possible!! he makes ashcroft look like an absolute saint. a perfect example of this Ted
Lol it doesn't get much sicker than this....
Responding to questions from Sen. Arlen Specter at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Jan. 18, Gonzales argued that the Constitution doesn't explicitly bestow habeas corpus rights; it merely says when the so-called Great Writ can be suspended.
"There is no expressed grant of habeas in the Constitution; there's a prohibition against taking it away," Gonzales said.
Gonzales's remark left Specter, the committee's ranking Republican, stammering.
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I pretty much agree w/ Jefferson on the right to bear arms thing. America is in a crazy situation right now. You've got people in power trying to silence the opposition and it's not gonna work. You can't deny the natural evolution of people, and that's what the internet is. Shit could potentially get ugly.
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I pretty much agree w/ Jefferson on the right to bear arms thing. America is in a crazy situation right now. You've got people in power trying to silence the opposition and it's not gonna work. You can't deny the natural evolution of people, and that's what the internet is. Shit could potentially get ugly.
America has always been in a crazy situation, the wild west, slavery, the Depression, we have always been a country that was one good invasion away from showing an invading country not to fuck with us. The only time we where not was between WWII and 9/11, and that's about it.
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I pretty much agree w/ Jefferson on the right to bear arms thing. America is in a crazy situation right now. You've got people in power trying to silence the opposition and it's not gonna work. You can't deny the natural evolution of people, and that's what the internet is. Shit could potentially get ugly.
America has always been in a crazy situation, the wild west, slavery, the Depression, we have always been a country that was one good invasion away from showing an invading country not to fuck with us. The only time we where not was between WWII and 9/11, and that's about it.
Totally different ballgame my brotha. While those situations were in fact "crazy situations" the shit going on right now is on a whole 'nother level. America is now ran as a company with the president being the CEO. That is a huge problem. Anybody that doesn't fall in line w/ the current dictatorship is blackballed. And I'm not speaking solely about Bush, I'm talking about Romney, Clinton, Obama, pretty much any candidate that is annointed as a "real" candidate by the mainstream media. Why do they chose who is a realistic candidate?
Why is Romney the only chance? He's Bush all over again. He's a neocon who justifies all his actions as divine rite. The media makes ridiculous claims that he's gonna be our next president because "he looks the most presidential". Are you fucking kidding me? The guy has nice haircut and looks good in his suit and therefore the media annoints him as the leader of our country? This isn't fucking American Idol.
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I pretty much agree w/ Jefferson on the right to bear arms thing. America is in a crazy situation right now. You've got people in power trying to silence the opposition and it's not gonna work. You can't deny the natural evolution of people, and that's what the internet is. Shit could potentially get ugly.
America has always been in a crazy situation, the wild west, slavery, the Depression, we have always been a country that was one good invasion away from showing an invading country not to fuck with us. The only time we where not was between WWII and 9/11, and that's about it.
Totally different ballgame my brotha. While those situations were in fact "crazy situations" the shit going on right now is on a whole 'nother level. America is now ran as a company with the president being the CEO. That is a huge problem. Anybody that doesn't fall in line w/ the current dictatorship is blackballed. And I'm not speaking solely about Bush, I'm talking about Romney, Clinton, Obama, pretty much any candidate that is annointed as a "real" candidate by the mainstream media. Why do they chose who is a realistic candidate?
Why is Romney the only chance? He's Bush all over again. He's a neocon who justifies all his actions as divine rite. The media makes ridiculous claims that he's gonna be our next president because "he looks the most presidential". Are you fucking kidding me? The guy has nice haircut and looks good in his suit and therefore the media annoints him as the leader of our country? This isn't fucking American Idol.
http://www.youtube.com/v/1gMlHv2lDqA
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Yes, I will say that the only good thing, and I do mean the ONLY good thing, about Ron Paul is his pro-2nd Amendment stance. I like the 2nd Amendment because it allows me to acquire enormous quantities of weapons for my revolution. However, if you aren't out on the streets bucking crackers down with ya chopper, you ain't down with me, and therefore you too shall have to perish in a hail of AK rounds on Judgment Day.
But, yeah...support the 2nd Amendment so that I'll have enough guns to kill whitey!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/MgjI_WROg6w
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Wow are you guys serious about this guy? Some people really need to open their eyes. Is the income tax making you guys poor? Is it starving you idiots like the kids in Africa and South America? How are we gonna fund our schools? That will mean less money to the public schools and more money to the private schools. If they take away the income tax, they will tax something else. And I can guarantee it won't be something you guys will like.
If you wanna take away taxes, take it from the poor and middle class. Tax the rich. They're the ones using up most of our recources anyways.
And if this idiot takes away the benefits from illegals, like free education, it would be chaos. Where do you think these illegal youth will go on school hours? There will be more crime on the street, more poverty and will only make the situation worse. This is fine for republicans because you idiot don't give a fuck about big cities because most of your fan base comes from hicktowns.
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^^^ Ron Paul is only running under the republican name. He is a views and political stance are Libertarian. Listen, the income tax is illegal and does NOT fund our schools. So that problem is gone. Paul is an isolationist and wants America to stop policing the world. Do you have any idea how much money is spent on this Neo-Con Globalist agenda. Its money best spent at home.
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That simply is not true many of the taxes raised are allocated directly towards the pockets of the federal reserve, the federal reserve prints the money out of thin air borrows it to the government for it's spending and then charges a very sizeable interest rate thus your taxes keep increasing to repay this burden. This is one of the many reasons why Ron Paul wants to reintroduce the gold standard as a competing factor against the fed.
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Wow are you guys serious about this guy? Some people really need to open their eyes. Is the income tax making you guys poor? Is it starving you idiots like the kids in Africa and South America? How are we gonna fund our schools? That will mean less money to the public schools and more money to the private schools. If they take away the income tax, they will tax something else. And I can guarantee it won't be something you guys will like.
The Federal government supplies minimul funding for schools. Like So Glorious said, the goverment spends a lot more money on wars and foriegn intervention (something Ron Paul is against) then it does on education.
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Yeah absolutely the so called war on terror is costing trillions again remember Orwell said....."The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations." Tnat is the point of all this it is as much an economic weapon against the people of the west as it is a deadly physical weapon against the arabs.
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Wow are you guys serious about this guy? Some people really need to open their eyes. Is the income tax making you guys poor? Is it starving you idiots like the kids in Africa and South America? How are we gonna fund our schools? That will mean less money to the public schools and more money to the private schools. If they take away the income tax, they will tax something else. And I can guarantee it won't be something you guys will like.
The Federal government supplies minimul funding for schools. Like So Glorious said, the goverment spends a lot more money on wars and foriegn intervention (something Ron Paul is against) then it does on education.
Well then use the income taxes on school then. Keep the tax but use it for something else.
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Wow are you guys serious about this guy? Some people really need to open their eyes. Is the income tax making you guys poor? Is it starving you idiots like the kids in Africa and South America? How are we gonna fund our schools? That will mean less money to the public schools and more money to the private schools. If they take away the income tax, they will tax something else. And I can guarantee it won't be something you guys will like.
The Federal government supplies minimul funding for schools. Like So Glorious said, the goverment spends a lot more money on wars and foriegn intervention (something Ron Paul is against) then it does on education.
Well then use the income taxes on school then. Keep the tax but use it for something else.
That would be cool. But I doubt if Ron Paul is elected that the income tax will simply go away. It takes more then the president to due such a massive thing. If it doesn't get support from congress and citizens it will NEVER completly go away.
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You guys need to watch America From Freedom To Facism if you have not done so already. It basically breaks down why the income tax is illegal and what is done with the proceeds generated from the income tax. It is a very thoughtful revealing and damning look at just how all americans are being abused by this system.
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You guys need to watch America From Freedom To Facism if you have not done so already. It basically breaks down why the income tax is illegal and what is done with the proceeds generated from the income tax. It is a very thoughtful revealing and damning look at just how all americans are being abused by this system.
Care to give us a brief lesson? How is it illegal?
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You guys need to watch America From Freedom To Facism if you have not done so already. It basically breaks down why the income tax is illegal and what is done with the proceeds generated from the income tax. It is a very thoughtful revealing and damning look at just how all americans are being abused by this system.
Is this wat ur talkin bout?
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
Fascist America in 10 easy steps:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
lot of interesting reads bout this..
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Yea, they really own the IRS hardcore in that documentary. Its a good watch.
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Damn thanks JRome. I know who i'm voting for now. I didn't know there was one cool republican.
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Damn thanks JRome. I know who i'm voting for now. I didn't know there was one cool republican.
Shit, game recognize game. Spread the word on Ron Paul homie. I try to tell at least one new person a day about him. The crazy thing is, every person that I've shown whether it be old or young, black or white, whatever - they all actually believe what Paul says. There's something genuine about him that people can pick up on.
If you would have told me 6 months ago that I'd be wholeheartedly supporting a Republican, I would have went off. What I was guilty of was thinking that someone like George Bush was Republican, when in fact he is not. Neither is McCain, Romney, Guiliani, or nearly every other candidate running for Pres. Those cats are 100% FAKE. Unfortunately, you'd think the Democrats would keep this in line. The truth is, that they are playing the EXACT same game - Obama, Clinton, Edwards, - all those cats are funded by multi-million dollar special interest groups. THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!!!!!!!
Tell everyone you can about Ron Paul, show them his debate footage, show them his congressional addresses, show them "America: Freedom to Fascism". People understand the truth - I really believe that after going through these things for the last 6 weeks or so. America IS much smarter than the media or anyone else would like you to think. They want you to think this is a lost cause, they want to project you as some nutcase supporting some idiot. The only reason they do those things is becuaase they are threatened by Ron Paul, they are threatened by his message. These motherfuckers are scared, they are in shock that so many Americans now know the truth, and they are now doing damage control. They are trying to censor Dr. Paul, they are trying to exclude him from the Republican Party debates.
Register as a Republican NOW - speak your mind and don't be intimidated or weakened by what these PUSSIES try to do. They're scared of the truth - they can't hide it, they know that, so they're gonna be desparate. We've got to be even louder. DO NOT STAND FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN DR. PAUL. AMERICA NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!
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Ron Paul = The Truth.