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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 04, 2007, 10:55:59 AM
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Everybody knows acgundy and I haven't been exactly cool with eachother throughout the years on this site. But I agree 100% with the points he was making about doctors, disorders, and medications etc (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=145058.0). Al Bundy, you're a cool guy... Instead of getting offended and dissing him for what he's saying, I believe you should look into it and try being more understanding/open to opinions. No need to close the topics and hide from it, that's pretty much the same thing you do with the medication. You can control your brain more than it can control you...PeACe
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If you don't have that condition, it's easy to say "you control your mind" and "you can do this" lol. Yeah, my legs work fine, so I just can't understand how people in wheelchairs can't just fucking walk? I'm skinny, how is it that people are fat fucks and can't do nothing about it? I am something, so everybody can be something. That is wrong. Some people are just different from others and there is no way they can change entirely.
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you and grundy are some dense dudes...
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personally I would never take medication on a daily basis, and if I had SAD then I would try to deal with it myself
but there's no doubt pills can work for people so I say whoever needs it, go ahead and do it if it works for u
I agree with grundy but at the same time maybe al bundy really can't do it without medication so it is what it is
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Missing the whole point, fellas...I'm not saying I know Al Bundy and that I know what's best for him. But I know damn well that many people who have brain disorders despite being 100% functional can be cured through mind-power, which I believe to be much stronger and effective than most medications available. Kids get Ritalin when they are 7 years old for ADD. Doctors can be pathetic. EVERY kid has ADD. Your brain is more powerful than you think...Doctors are less powerful than you think.
Comparing a social condition to someone who is PHYSICALLY handicap is pretty lame as well...PeACe
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^ of course some can conquer it and some 'think' they can't or whatever and need medication, goes both ways
and yea, doctors giving pills to little kids doesn't sound smart but it's up to the parent to really make a decision if they want their kids on drugs or not, which is sad
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You are what you think you are.
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You are what you think you are.
definitely, I agree
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Comparing a social condition to someone who is PHYSICALLY handicap is pretty lame as well...PeACe
Not as lame as you think. Physically, handicaps are just more visible. But the brain is physical, too. Of course there are doctors who do unnecessary shit to make money, natural cures not revealed to selll products etc etc... I'm aware of all of that and I didn't go to see a doctor for anything (and I mean anything) apart from the time when I had to check if I had a fracture in my cheekbone since I was like 15. That's not what I'm arguing against. The point is that some people DO have mental conditions that can't be "overcome", can't be changed entirely. People who are "normal" tend to not understand this. Again, the brain is just an organ... and if it's genetically destined to be a certain way, there is no way to fully solve the issue. Just look at all the people who have a very strong urge to kidnap, rape and kill little boys. They can't be helped. They get put in special institutions instead of jail and all, but in the end no matter what is done, those people just aren't normal. And they will never be.
Of course drugs won't solve the problem, but they can make life easier. Some problems can't be solved. Ever. It's a frustrating thought, but it's a reality many people can't deal with.
You are what you think you are.
Pipe dream.
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Comparing a social condition to someone who is PHYSICALLY handicap is pretty lame as well...PeACe
Not as lame as you think. Physically, handicaps are just more visible. But the brain is physical, too. Of course there are doctors who do unnecessary shit to make money, natural cures not revealed to selll products etc etc... I'm aware of all of that and I didn't go to see a doctor for anything (and I mean anything) apart from the time when I had to check if I had a fracture in my cheekbone since I was like 15. That's not what I'm arguing against. The point is that some people DO have mental conditions that can't be "overcome", can't be changed entirely. People who are "normal" tend to not understand this. Again, the brain is just an organ... and if it's genetically destined to be a certain way, there is no way to fully solve the issue. Just look at all the people who have a very strong urge to kidnap, rape and kill little boys. They can't be helped. They get put in special institutions instead of jail and all, but in the end no matter what is done, those people just aren't normal. And they will never be.
Of course drugs won't solve the problem, but they can make life easier. Some problems can't be solved. Ever. It's a frustrating thought, but it's a reality many people can't deal with.
You are what you think you are.
Pipe dream.
So people who kidnap, molest, rape etc. have a "chemical imbalance"? FUCK THAT. That's a criminal cop-out. It's the way they've handled their brain since birth that makes them who they are. Most of these people are fully functional and capable of improving. They're simply morons who don't have control over themselves. Of course if you lock them away and numb their brains, it'll stop them, but you think that's the only way? Not saying those dickheads deserve a chance to improve, but someone like Al Bundy CERTAINLY does, and I think if he considered what's being said, that's the first step right there...
PS...It's not a dream, it's reality...PeACe
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considerin you dont know what dudes going through, why do you think you have the right to speak on how he should deal with it?
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If somebody has a damaged frontal lobe, or not a fully developed frontal lobe it's literally impossible for that person to function normally.
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So people who kidnap, molest, rape etc. have a "chemical imbalance"? FUCK THAT. That's a criminal cop-out.
that's a stupid statement
It's the way they've handled their brain since birth that makes them who they are.
no, it's the way their parents raised them since birth
Most of these people are fully functional and capable of improving. They're simply morons who don't have control over themselves.
so somebody who molests a little kid is capable of improvement, are you fuckin serious?
of course they don't have control over themselves, maybe that's why they need to be locked up instead of "improving"
Of course if you lock them away and numb their brains, it'll stop them, but you think that's the only way?
um, yes dipshit
Not saying those dickheads deserve a chance to improve
this goes against all that you just wrote :stupid:
but someone like Al Bundy CERTAINLY does, and I think if he considered what's being said, that's the first step right there...
no one is denying that, just realize people are either gonna do it or not, why are you trying to sway opinions?
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If somebody has a damaged frontal lobe, or not a fully developed frontal lobe it's literally impossible for that person to function normally.
Yes...But I am not speaking of those people. I'm speaking of people with ADD, ADHD, SAD, Social Phobia etc. The sort of MENTAL disorders which can be improved naturally...PeACe
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So people who kidnap, molest, rape etc. have a "chemical imbalance"? FUCK THAT. That's a criminal cop-out.
that's a stupid statement
It's the way they've handled their brain since birth that makes them who they are.
no, it's the way their parents raised them since birth
Most of these people are fully functional and capable of improving. They're simply morons who don't have control over themselves.
so somebody who molests a little kid is capable of improvement, are you fuckin serious?
of course they don't have control over themselves, maybe that's why they need to be locked up instead of "improving"
Of course if you lock them away and numb their brains, it'll stop them, but you think that's the only way?
um, yes dipshit
Not saying those dickheads deserve a chance to improve
this goes against all that you just wrote :stupid:
but someone like Al Bundy CERTAINLY does, and I think if he considered what's being said, that's the first step right there...
no one is denying that, just realize people are either gonna do it or not, why are you trying to sway opinions?
So you don't think someone who has raped in the past can improve themselves and later in life realize they did something REALLY dumb? LMAO. It's a combination of the way they were raised and the way their brain was developing since birth. Lots of people come out of completely fucked up families and end up great people. They don't have control over themselves, but they have a functional brain, therefore, they are fully capable. What don't you understand or what is it you're going against? No, locking a criminal up is not the only way to improve them. You're dumb if you think this. Nothing goes against what I wrote. Do they deserve to be locked up? Yes. Is there other ways to improve them? Yes. Do they deserve that chance? No....I'm not swaying any opinions, I just don't see why Al Bundy gets really mad and ends up locking threads when someone like me or acgrundy have a difference of opinion in regards to his condition. I can't speak for acgrundy, but I'm only trying to help...PeACe
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considerin you dont know what dudes going through, why do you think you have the right to speak on how he should deal with it?
It's my opinion...Like I said, I'm not saying I know Al Bundy and that I know what's best for him, just my opinion...PeACe
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The problem is that many people, including you Nik, don't wanna realize that the brain is just another organ, an organ in which chemical and physical things occur. It's just not as blatantly obvious as disfunctional legs and shit. Not saying it is ultimately a problem, or a disorder, but definitely a condition. Let's take SAD as an example, as this is what Bundy claims to have. You think he's just shy, like many people are, and a little insecure and whatever, and you yourself, as like most people, have gone through moments in which you sorta had stoppages regarding a social situation. And because of this, you think you know what it's like and as you overcame it everybody can, since we're all humans. This is just ignorant. People need to realize that, I say it again, the brain is just an organ and can have certain unchallangeable conditions, just like any other damn organ of your body. Some people can eat exactly the same food as others, but will get fat and others won't... and there is nothing they can "think" to overcame that condition. The list of examples is endless.
Again also, I'm not debating that some people might just look for excuses or anything. But some people actually DO have issues and it is doing them no justice to be like "you can be what you wanna be"... Lol, that's something you tell little kids. And you rarely tell kids the harsh reality, right?
"Can be become president, daddy?"
"Sure kiddo. You can be everything you wanna be."
NOT.
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^The thing is, that kid COULD become the president. You'll understand this only if you can fully grasp human potential. I've noticed you're a negative person, 7even. No point in being that way. There are millions and millions of people who believe they have mental issues when they truly don't, when it's all created in their head. If you were REALLY shy, and always started shaking around new people you met from being nervous, would you believe a doctor if he told you that you had a problem in your brain? It all depends on the type of person you are...I'm the type of person that will need to see a picture of my brain with holes in it to believe something like that is true. And I'd STILL try to heal it naturally before resorting to meds. Mind over matter...PeACe
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now i wish i never posted this shit. it's not a cop out and i'm not saying that I have it for the fuck of it. i believe that i'm suffering from some of the symptoms of social anxiety disorder (not all of them.. i don't shake when I meet new people) and it has been very evident that I have it since I moved here. What does happen is that I have the constant fear of people judging me negatively but I do not believe it is happening. That IS social anxiety disorder. Maybe if you googled it and you wern't so ignorant to the problem, you might of ended up with this patch of information:
Overview
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, social phobia is a persistent fear of one or more situations in which the person is exposed to possible scrutiny by others and fears that he or she may do something or act in a way that will be humiliating or embarrassing. [2] For one to be social phobic, exposure to the feared situation must provoke anxiety and the person must recognize this anxiety as irrational (although this may be absent in children). If another disorder is present, the social phobic fear is unrelated to it. For instance, if a person has a history of panic attacks, having a panic attack must not be the sufferer's fear. Sufferers are typically more self-conscious and self-attentive than others. [3] As a result, social phobics tend to limit or remove themselves from situations where they may be subject to evaluation. Sufferers often recognize their fear is excessive or irrational, yet can't seem to break out of the cycle. As such, the diagnosis of social phobia is made only when the fear leads to avoiding occupational functions, social activities, or relationships with others.[4]
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^It's my opinion that believing you can't break out of it sets you back a whole lot. Like I said, deal with it how you like homie, I'm just completely against meds for "disorders" such as these...PeACe
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^It's my opinion that believing you can't break out of it sets you back a whole lot. Like I said, deal with it how you like homie, I'm just completely against meds for "disorders" such as these...PeACe
I understand that. But it seems like you're shoving your agenda down my throat (no homo)
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hey bundy have you ever gone to a party or club drunk? can you talk to people when you are drunk? i am curious and not hating
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Purely taking drugs to mask the problem probably isn't the answer, but if you combine them with therapy(or ideas you can get from therapy, you don't need the doctor, just the methods) you can improve greatly and get off the drugs. NIK and Grundy are right that you can force yourself to overcome the problem, but the drugs make it easier to get yourself into the situations you need to be in to improve things, a therapist would focus you on facing your fears and desensitizing yourself to it. Habits are formed after like 21 days right? There are a lot of ways to train your brain, try doing something that would make you anxious once a day for 21 days straight and see if you notice yourself getting more comfortable doing them.
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.I'm not swaying any opinions, I just don't see why Al Bundy gets really mad and ends up locking threads when someone like me or acgrundy have a difference of opinion in regards to his condition.
:whistle:
If somebody has a damaged frontal lobe, or not a fully developed frontal lobe it's literally impossible for that person to function normally.
Physically, handicaps are just more visible. But the brain is physical, too. Of course there are doctors who do unnecessary shit to make money, natural cures not revealed to selll products etc etc... I'm aware of all of that and I didn't go to see a doctor for anything (and I mean anything) apart from the time when I had to check if I had a fracture in my cheekbone since I was like 15. That's not what I'm arguing against. The point is that some people DO have mental conditions that can't be "overcome", can't be changed entirely. People who are "normal" tend to not understand this. Again, the brain is just an organ... and if it's genetically destined to be a certain way, there is no way to fully solve the issue. Just look at all the people who have a very strong urge to kidnap, rape and kill little boys. They can't be helped. They get put in special institutions instead of jail and all, but in the end no matter what is done, those people just aren't normal. And they will never be.
Of course drugs won't solve the problem, but they can make life easier. Some problems can't be solved. Ever. It's a frustrating thought, but it's a reality many people can't deal with.
real fuckin talk....... why speak on shit you know nothing about? You have no fuckin clue what its like to have this condition. To make vague,blanket assumptions about something you cannot experience makes you look like an idiot.
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ahhh yes, the Tom Cruise of the DUBCC... not a ounce of medical training but knows more on the subject then anyone else. As someone that went thru real bad depression and still battles it everyday it aint as easy to change as you would like to think. Do you think people that go thru depression are happy being like that, enjoy being like that, want to be like that ? No we dont, we would give out left fuckin nut to turn it off like that, but it dont work like that. And dont give me some bullshit about how you know what its like to be depressed b/c if you didnt you wouldnt be making some bull shit statement like this.
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hey bundy have you ever gone to a party or club drunk? can you talk to people when you are drunk? i am curious and not hating
yeah I can. it's certain situations. here's one:
if i'm standing in line at like the bank and there's alot of people i start getting nervous and let's say someone starts whispering, I automatically think they're talking negatively about me.
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ahhh yes, the Tom Cruise of the DUBCC... not a ounce of medical training but knows more on the subject then anyone else. As someone that went thru real bad depression and still battles it everyday it aint as easy to change as you would like to think. Do you think people that go thru depression are happy being like that, enjoy being like that, want to be like that ? No we dont, we would give out left fuckin nut to turn it off like that, but it dont work like that. And dont give me some bullshit about how you know what its like to be depressed b/c if you didnt you wouldnt be making some bull shit statement like this.
i hate the mets but you're right.
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Purely taking drugs to mask the problem probably isn't the answer, but if you combine them with therapy(or ideas you can get from therapy, you don't need the doctor, just the methods) you can improve greatly and get off the drugs. NIK and Grundy are right that you can force yourself to overcome the problem, but the drugs make it easier to get yourself into the situations you need to be in to improve things, a therapist would focus you on facing your fears and desensitizing yourself to it. Habits are formed after like 21 days right? There are a lot of ways to train your brain, try doing something that would make you anxious once a day for 21 days straight and see if you notice yourself getting more comfortable doing them.
I'm not trying to mask the problem. I'm using them to try and break my habits. It makes it easier to talk to people and just be calm. I won't be taking them forever.
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Honestly, I think I got something like this, but as I have been searching, it seems I don't have everythang that explains me, like I may have only one or two thangs from each 'disorder'. BUT ya see, as I search over all these disorders and mental conditions, it's like they are just part of a person's personality, not a sickness. You get what I'm sayin'?
For example a symptom to a disorder may be:
Prefer the known to the unknown
Very discreet and deliberate in dealing with others
Comfortable with habit, repetition, and routine
Extreme shyness/timidness
Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
Like how can that be labeled as disorders, when those could VERY WELL as fuck be personality traits. Ya know?
But I ain't talking about you Bundy or anybody else, I'm just sayin' that cuz it's crazy. But I know where you is coming from completely and when it comes to alot of that scientific, mind over matter shit, I don't believe that at all BUT when it comes to this case, it's hard. Becuz I have a form of something, ya know something, lol, but it's crazy cuz, like, that shit ain't who I am. I don't give a fuck about reading out loud or goin' up in front of the class or just plain speakin' but something got the fuck ahold of me and I just can't shake it.
And ya see, like others is sayin', I would never take a drug to help me with this. BUT THAT'S ME. I mean, everyday I just tell myself I'ma get over this sooner or later, whether that's helping or not, I have no clue. I try to sike my mind out of this shit on the daily. I don't know man, I tell myself I'ma have more confidence by a certain date, and whether I really do or I don't, if I keep tellin' myself that, I'll start believing it..
I don't know my dude, good luck man. Truthfully.
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I'm not trying to mask the problem. I'm using them to try and break my habits. It makes it easier to talk to people and just be calm. I won't be taking them forever.
I know you're not, like you said you're using it to help break the habit. I was just saying that the medicine is only one part of the equation, if you don't force yourself to get outside of your comfort zones you'll likely end up masking the problem. Theres a reason that there's such a high rate of alcoholism with anxiety disorders, it provides a quick but temporary fix to something that needs more than that. You should combine your medication with physical practices. Like you said the medicine makes it easier to get out and talk to people; which is the important part, becoming used to doing it. The more you do it the more you'll become desensitized to the process and thats an effective way to break the habit.
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it's like they are just part of a person's personality, not a sickness. You get what I'm sayin'?
For example a symptom to a disorder may be:
Prefer the known to the unknown
Very discreet and deliberate in dealing with others
Comfortable with habit, repetition, and routine
Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
lol I have whatever this is, and I don't think that's a bad thing. You're right that a lot of that is just personality traits, but unfortunately our society expects you to be a different way. Personally I can't stand people that are overly friendly and outgoing, theres something wrong with them.
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I'm not trying to mask the problem. I'm using them to try and break my habits. It makes it easier to talk to people and just be calm. I won't be taking them forever.
I know you're not, like you said you're using it to help break the habit. I was just saying that the medicine is only one part of the equation, if you don't force yourself to get outside of your comfort zones you'll likely end up masking the problem. Theres a reason that there's such a high rate of alcoholism with anxiety disorders, it provides a quick but temporary fix to something that needs more than that. You should combine your medication with physical practices. Like you said the medicine makes it easier to get out and talk to people; which is the important part, becoming used to doing it. The more you do it the more you'll become desensitized to the process and thats an effective way to break the habit.
I have. I go outside (i'm not a complete shut in)
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lol for sure, i just meant make it a point to do what would usually make you uncomfortable
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I think a combo of meds / counseling / stopping drug use can cure a lot of anxiety disorders. I believe that the meds are VITAL because if you've ever been victim of true anxiety, you know that is crushing and all consuming. You're scared to do ANYTHING because you're worried of having an attack. If you have meds and take them as prescribed, it can at least give you some relief and let you know that you can get out of it.
Combine that w/ cutting out drug use and counseling and I believe that over a decent amount of time you can be free of taking the meds.
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some of yall need to go to city and take psychology 101. :D
for reals though. >:(
Bundy, do what you gotta do dude. i hope the best for you patna. 8)
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yeah this is a touchy subject, and in the end 7even is right. for the simple fact you cant compare yourself to another person, because you dont know what they been through or whats goin through their mind.
i agree with what you sayin aswell NIK, because the mind is strong and can do alot of things, but what you goto also realise is people dont just fall into depression and slip out of it, it happens over time, and to get out of it also takes alot of time... doctors usually prescribe shit, to make the time pass quicker, when someone is depressed or have some sort of mental disorder, they are not themselves, i believe anxiety/depression can be cured over time if you're strong enough and have a foundation to place your feet on, but shit like that is a roller coaster ride, if you're in the healing process and do feel down, what if someone does something stupid?
i think thats why docs prescribe meds, to make the shit quicker so you dont have to live in pain.
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some of yall need to go to city and take psychology 101. :D
for reals though. >:(
Bundy, do what you gotta do dude. i hope the best for you patna. 8)
seriously man. some dumb dudes tryna touch on this.
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if you don't force yourself to get outside of your comfort zones you'll likely end up masking the problem.
Exactly. I don't understand how people can disagree with this. If someone is deperessed, and they take Zoloft, it'll make them feel better...But do you realize how much worse it is once you get off that Zoloft? It's not an answer...Just look at all the reported cases of people killing themselves after stopping prescribed antidepressants...I'm only offering my opinion, and as someone who has experienced many of these symptoms myself at one point or another, I can say I truly believe it is 100% a psychological issue...and if you disagree with that, fine, but there's no need to get all mad or avoid what I'm saying...I never said it was easy to break out of the habbit, but is it possible? Yes. You obviously don't want to listen to anyone or hear what they think. You have your mind set up and you're obviously not changing it up anytime soon...But you NEED opinions...PeACe
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There is such thing as chemical imbalance in the brain. But not all imbalances you're born with. It's usually not from your nature, it's the nurture, it's what you've gone through and what your character has turned out like. Something simple such as stress can cause an ever-lasting imbalance. Each emotion you express has a hormonal response. Like if you're angry all the time, you act on that emotion and release that "fighting" hormone that wants to take flight. And when you drink alcohol for example, an upper, it triggers the emotion you've been dealing with all that time. You ever wonder why stupid hoes always end up droppin their pants when they drink up? Because they've had hoe tendencies all this time. They've been horny ass bitches for a while, all alcohol did was cause a push in the chemical imbalance where the chemical that had the horny ammo stored overshadows the other levels of chemical in your brain, therefore there's a real imbalance now. Then you might conclude that everyone is born with equal balance of chemicals in the brain and they control it all. Well no, it's not all equal, and for the most part, it's not too much of an imbalance, but genes do make up imblances and at times do structure the way chemicals re-act and how much their level starts out with.
Both side of the argument on this are correct in some way and wrong in others. If all people knew how to control chemical imbalances then this world would be heaven, but to control the brain is easier said than done. If you have a violent father and believe you have a chemical imbalance in the "anger" levels of the brain, then you could train yourself and most likely improve and live a better life than your father's. But your average human being could give a fuck about all that, when life gets hard, that chemical imbalance will re-act and there is not time to analyze how your brain works.
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HAPPINESS IS A DECISION, NOT AN EMOTION.
But I do understand the other side of the argument, some things are genetical and get raised to an unstoppable level by nurture. They are almost impossible to try and fix on your own, that's where zoloft and all kinds of other drugs come into play. But if you're dealing with a human being that understands what to do to re-fresh his or herself, which is super rare, then it's a different story. At the same time we mustt understand that some people simply can't do without help, they can't fight the battle, and will prolly lose the war.. you can't point a finger at them based on that.
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i have the same condition that Al Bundy has, but I don't use the drugs for it because i'm scared of a) being on them for life and b) coming off the drugs and being worse off
the worst thing in my life is having to be around ANY people, because I get nervous as fuck. i can't goto busy shopping centres without freaking out, starting a new job is a nightmare for me. Al bundy is probably the same, I can't walk down the street without flipping out. people on here talking about how easy it is to get over it or how easy it would be to deal with have NO idea, its like living in hell every day. people at work know what im like now so it's getting easier for me to deal with now, since i spend 75% of my time there. you find as you get into a routine and you become comfortable in 2 or 3 environments (work, home, a friends house) its gets easier, but the simple thing of going to the corner store for a drink becomes like trying to do a triathalon
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I never spoke of the difficulty levels in overcoming it.
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The problem is that many people, including you Nik, don't wanna realize that the brain is just another organ, an organ in which chemical and physical things occur. It's just not as blatantly obvious as disfunctional legs and shit.
Shit, it's not like Bundy is brain dead or anything... Why compare it to someone with dysfunctional legs?
I know you're all into this "we're all just molecules - it's all chemical" type of stuff, but does the mind make the chemicals or do the chemicals make the mind? You can't deny that you actually do fulfill an active role in controlling the functioning of your own body; it's not like humans are the damned puppets of the randomness of internal chemical reactions... In other words: sure, using medicines to alter your chemicals could make it easier to change, but the change will have to come from the body itself and not from its medicine.
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The problem is that many people, including you Nik, don't wanna realize that the brain is just another organ, an organ in which chemical and physical things occur. It's just not as blatantly obvious as disfunctional legs and shit.
Shit, it's not like Bundy is brain dead or anything... Why compare it to someone with dysfunctional legs?
I know you're all into this "we're all just molecules - it's all chemical" type of stuff, but does the mind make the chemicals or do the chemicals make the mind? You can't deny that you actually do fulfill an active role in controlling the functioning of your own body; it's not like humans are the damned puppets of the randomness of internal chemical reactions... In other words: sure, using medicines to alter your chemicals could make it easier to change, but the change will have to come from the body itself and not from its medicine.
The body can produce and set free certain chemicals, or you can just take certain chemicals. It really doesn't make a difference when it comes to how you feel. Now, if some people aren't fit to produce certain chemicals by themselves on a natural basis, they can inject them. Of course it doesn't work out as perfectly as this, because the human body is more complex than just "substance A lacks, inject substance A, done"... we ain't robots.
For evolutional purposes, humans get rewarded with happiness for various things. That's how it is supposed to be. Like it is supposed to be that you feel pain after various incidents. Now, if the brain has a special condition, "or if the personality of the person is shaped that way" (if you prefer that wording) those chemicals can lack and shit. I am not a neurolgist and I can't get too deep into it. But anyways, if certain happiness-related chemicals aren't really triggered, which can be for a variety of reasons, the person will be depressed, unless he or she gets those chemicals triggered by injections, pills, etc.
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Nicely put, 7even. That does leave me with one question: how curable is Bundy's condition? Will he be forever dependant on medicines to turn his chemical balance into something that makes life enjoyable, or could there be a point where his brain catches up and 'learns' to do this independantly? That's really the question for me: are we talking about a disorder through a lack of development of certain brain sections, or are these brain sections symply not capable of functioning properly at all? It's an interesting point, knowing that most development disorders are highly influenced by controllable properties.
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Nicely put, 7even. That does leave me with one question: how curable is Bundy's condition? Will he be forever dependant on medicines to turn his chemical balance into something that makes life enjoyable, or could there be a point where his brain catches up and 'learns' to do this independantly? That's really the question for me: are we talking about a disorder through a lack of development of certain brain sections, or are these brain sections symply not capable of functioning properly at all? It's an interesting point, knowing that most development disorders are highly influenced by controllable properties.
Yup, can't give an ultimate answer to that, neither do I know Bundy nor am I something close to a doctor. Personally I think his condition can be improved, but he will always have the potential to dive back into it... To use a more visible example again, like a endomorphic person (people who naturally put on weight faster/easier than average) who is over-weight can lose a significant amount of weight... but that person still has a much higher potential to become over-weight easily than an ectomorphic person , since the person will still be endomorphic, due to the genes, no matter the weight the person currently has achieved.
By that I mean that the fundament of the condition will always exist, but if he is lucky he can deal with this condition much better than in the past, that is definitely a possibilty.
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I wouldn't compare the way you think to the way your body takes in food. Bad analogy, 7even.
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It's not even just an analogy. The brain is just another part of your body. I don't seperate "mind" from "brain".
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It's not even just an analogy. The brain is just another part of your body. I don't seperate "mind" from "brain".
The brain is a part of the body, but it's up to you how you use it (as long as it's fully functional).
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Nicely put, 7even. That does leave me with one question: how curable is Bundy's condition? Will he be forever dependant on medicines to turn his chemical balance into something that makes life enjoyable, or could there be a point where his brain catches up and 'learns' to do this independantly? That's really the question for me: are we talking about a disorder through a lack of development of certain brain sections, or are these brain sections symply not capable of functioning properly at all? It's an interesting point, knowing that most development disorders are highly influenced by controllable properties.
Yup, can't give an ultimate answer to that, neither do I know Bundy nor am I something close to a doctor. Personally I think his condition can be improved, but he will always have the potential to dive back into it... To use a more visible example again, like a endomorphic person (people who naturally put on weight faster/easier than average) who is over-weight can lose a significant amount of weight... but that person still has a much higher potential to become over-weight easily than an ectomorphic person , since the person will still be endomorphic, due to the genes, no matter the weight the person currently has achieved.
By that I mean that the fundament of the condition will always exist, but if he is lucky he can deal with this condition much better than in the past, that is definitely a possibilty.
Well, an endomorphic person won't necessarily have to fall back into obeseness after he has lost weight. Same thing probably goes for the brain: I remember hearing something about frontal lobes in this discussion? I know enough about psychology to realise that you're bound to experience trouble socially and emotionally if your frontal lobes end up underdeveloped after the first years of your life. That's when the brain settles, but the good thing about the brain is that it's constantly in development. That does make it possible to focus on the development of certain parts of the brain and correct lackings, simply by training. Most disorders are the results of simply that: a lack of development of certain parts of the brain, which often are anything but genetically determined. It does make a huge difference; I'd love to hear from Bundy whether his brain is malfunctioned or "just" underdeveloped at certain parts.
I'd love to hear him tell us it's the latter - that would mean Bundy just has to fight his ass off and struggle with it, no matter how impossible it may seem at first, but knowing his style a little (long live the online personas!), he'll be good in the end.
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If your brain is underdeveloped, that is something completely different.
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^^ It is? Most of these common disorders are just that..
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I highly doubt disorders such as ADD, SAD, ADHD, etc. are from "underdeveloped" brains.
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I do think it is a combination of things that make you have a certain disorder. You can trick yourself into having an anxiety attack and in my case I was having them for no reason. Which is a sign of an imbalance. Nothing was triggering it they would just happen. Your brain and your body are more connected than you think. I got over my anxiety disorder without medication. Meditation is a good way to balance out you nervous system. I have been meditating before I go to sleep and been getting thereputic massages every 2 months. ADD is a bullshit disorder. I was diagnosed with it when I was real young because I wouldn't listen to authority and was defiant. Which I still am. But I was on ritalin for like a year when I was like 8 and stopped taking it because it gave me migraine headaches.
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I highly doubt disorders such as ADD, SAD, ADHD, etc. are from "underdeveloped" brains.
In fact, they are. Yes, genes do play an important part, because they are what initially set up the body and caused its weaknesses. The rest is all external, and that explains why the number of kids with some of these development disorders is rising at such an excessive rate: kids grow up in less interactive environments; they watch tv instead of playing with other kids. Just that is enough to affect the early development of the brain in such a bad way that these disorders have become rather common. I'm not familiar with SAD, but I know ADD/ADHD and autism are like that.
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I highly doubt disorders such as ADD, SAD, ADHD, etc. are from "underdeveloped" brains.
In fact, they are. Yes, genes do play an important part, because they are what initially set up the body and caused its weaknesses. The rest is all external, and that explains why the number of kids with some of these development disorders is rising at such an excessive rate: kids grow up in less interactive environments; they watch tv instead of playing with other kids. Just that is enough to affect the early development of the brain in such a bad way that these disorders have become rather common. I'm not familiar with SAD, but I know ADD/ADHD and autism are like that.
LOL. ADD has nothing to do with your brain being underdeveloped. ADD is a made up "condition" for defiant kids or kids who are considered disobedient and pay less attention. ADHD also, for kids who are defiant/hyperactive. It's a bunch of BS, they can literally class ANYONE under ADD or ADHD without knowing shit. Humans grow out of these conditions NATURALLY all the time, it's a proven fact. And LOL@comparing ADD to Autism. :-X
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NIK stfu already, this is coming from a person who says if you suffer from depression or social anxiety you dont need medication. And if you do take medication hes pretty much insinuating you're a weak person if you do take them. But yet this is the same cat that said he cant get through or cope with his day if he doesnt smoke weed. *waits for the why dont you find that post you stupid jerkface* so Im going to cover my bases here and let you know I have to be somewhere at 8. And I wont be home untill 11 then which I have to work out. And then go to sleep b/c I have this thing in the mourning called a job. So I dont have time to search for post like your worthless self medicating ass does.
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I highly doubt disorders such as ADD, SAD, ADHD, etc. are from "underdeveloped" brains.
In fact, they are. Yes, genes do play an important part, because they are what initially set up the body and caused its weaknesses. The rest is all external, and that explains why the number of kids with some of these development disorders is rising at such an excessive rate: kids grow up in less interactive environments; they watch tv instead of playing with other kids. Just that is enough to affect the early development of the brain in such a bad way that these disorders have become rather common. I'm not familiar with SAD, but I know ADD/ADHD and autism are like that.
LOL. ADD has nothing to do with your brain being underdeveloped. ADD is a made up "condition" for defiant kids or kids who are considered disobedient and pay less attention. ADHD also, for kids who are defiant/hyperactive. It's a bunch of BS, they can literally class ANYONE under ADD or ADHD without knowing shit. Humans grow out of these conditions NATURALLY all the time, it's a proven fact. And LOL@comparing ADD to Autism. :-X
And of course you know what you're talking about. You're living in the center of a circle they call Truth, right?
Have you done any research on the subject, let alone having written a scripture on it? Didn't think so. So why bother questioning the input of someone who has?
I never said ADD and ADHD weren't made up conditions. In fact, all conditions are made up, as they're "discoveries". Anything mental state deviant from what's considered "normal" could be considered a disorder by the same logic. Fact is, people with the disorders mentioned actually do have something that hinders them in life. Now whether or not you believe me when I say these disorders are "caused" by underdeveloped brain sections - that's up to you.
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yeah NIK's bein a bit of a top gun on this one, bit of a impossible mission to know for sure, there are a few good men on this site that know whats up though, its a war of the worlds when it comes down to it, although you can bet the last samurai will win and drink a cocktail while lookin at a vanilla sky...
you get the point.
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NIK stfu already, this is coming from a person who says if you suffer from depression or social anxiety you dont need medication. And if you do take medication hes pretty much insinuating you're a weak person if you do take them. But yet this is the same cat that said he cant get through or cope with his day if he doesnt smoke weed. *waits for the why dont you find that post you stupid jerkface* so Im going to cover my bases here and let you know I have to be somewhere at 8. And I wont be home untill 11 then which I have to work out. And then go to sleep b/c I have this thing in the mourning called a job. So I dont have time to search for post like your worthless self medicating ass does.
Tom. You're a mess. That shit leaks through your posts, homie. LOL. What did I say that was wrong? I never said I can't get through the day if I don't smoke weed...sure, the day is more enjoyable and relaxing if I do, but I never said I CAN'T cope without it. CAN'T is a word I rarely use...I understand why you're depressed though. I would be too...PeACe
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I highly doubt disorders such as ADD, SAD, ADHD, etc. are from "underdeveloped" brains.
In fact, they are. Yes, genes do play an important part, because they are what initially set up the body and caused its weaknesses. The rest is all external, and that explains why the number of kids with some of these development disorders is rising at such an excessive rate: kids grow up in less interactive environments; they watch tv instead of playing with other kids. Just that is enough to affect the early development of the brain in such a bad way that these disorders have become rather common. I'm not familiar with SAD, but I know ADD/ADHD and autism are like that.
LOL. ADD has nothing to do with your brain being underdeveloped. ADD is a made up "condition" for defiant kids or kids who are considered disobedient and pay less attention. ADHD also, for kids who are defiant/hyperactive. It's a bunch of BS, they can literally class ANYONE under ADD or ADHD without knowing shit. Humans grow out of these conditions NATURALLY all the time, it's a proven fact. And LOL@comparing ADD to Autism. :-X
And of course you know what you're talking about. You're living in the center of a circle they call Truth, right?
Have you done any research on the subject, let alone having written a scripture on it? Didn't think so. So why bother questioning the input of someone who has?
I never said ADD and ADHD weren't made up conditions. In fact, all conditions are made up, as they're "discoveries". Anything mental state deviant from what's considered "normal" could be considered a disorder by the same logic. Fact is, people with the disorders mentioned actually do have something that hinders them in life. Now whether or not you believe me when I say these disorders are "caused" by underdeveloped brain sections - that's up to you.
No, I just believe these conditions are MADE UP within the brain as opposed to "dysfunctions" within the brain. Labeling them also holds us back a lot more than you'd imagine. The subconscious mind can kill you, mentally...Personality traits getting labeled as conditions sicken me...I'm sure you picked that up by now, though...PeACe
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I just believe these conditions are MADE UP
Now that NIK has solved the mystery of the human brain,hopefully he'll get started on Cancer/AIDS. I feel better already...
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Well...without medication, what do you do to improve?
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I "had" SAD...I use to take medications for it such as Paxil-CR, it helped temporarly but in the end it doesnt help. Are you gunna take these medications for the rest of your life?
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NIK stfu already, this is coming from a person who says if you suffer from depression or social anxiety you dont need medication. And if you do take medication hes pretty much insinuating you're a weak person if you do take them. But yet this is the same cat that said he cant get through or cope with his day if he doesnt smoke weed. *waits for the why dont you find that post you stupid jerkface* so Im going to cover my bases here and let you know I have to be somewhere at 8. And I wont be home untill 11 then which I have to work out. And then go to sleep b/c I have this thing in the mourning called a job. So I dont have time to search for post like your worthless self medicating ass does.
Tom. You're a mess. That shit leaks through your posts, homie. LOL. What did I say that was wrong? I never said I can't get through the day if I don't smoke weed...sure, the day is more enjoyable and relaxing if I do, but I never said I CAN'T cope without it. CAN'T is a word I rarely use...I understand why you're depressed though. I would be too...PeACe
Im a mess, I dont need weed to get my through my day or any other outside substance like you do, I got my shit together now, if you gotta go back 5 years to get dirt on me then u need to step your game up.
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NIK stfu already, this is coming from a person who says if you suffer from depression or social anxiety you dont need medication. And if you do take medication hes pretty much insinuating you're a weak person if you do take them. But yet this is the same cat that said he cant get through or cope with his day if he doesnt smoke weed. *waits for the why dont you find that post you stupid jerkface* so Im going to cover my bases here and let you know I have to be somewhere at 8. And I wont be home untill 11 then which I have to work out. And then go to sleep b/c I have this thing in the mourning called a job. So I dont have time to search for post like your worthless self medicating ass does.
Tom. You're a mess. That shit leaks through your posts, homie. LOL. What did I say that was wrong? I never said I can't get through the day if I don't smoke weed...sure, the day is more enjoyable and relaxing if I do, but I never said I CAN'T cope without it. CAN'T is a word I rarely use...I understand why you're depressed though. I would be too...PeACe
Im a mess, I dont need weed to get my through my day or any other outside substance like you do, I got my shit together now, if you gotta go back 5 years to get dirt on me then u need to step your game up.
Dirt on you? LOL....Like I said, I don't need weed to get through my day. And regardless, I'm still obviously currently better off than you. :D
What I wanna know is why you felt the need to make this personal though? That alone shows that you have issues...I was simply stating my opinion. All of a sudden, you think this is some game where I'm digging dirt on you. LOL.
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I just believe these conditions are MADE UP
Now that NIK has solved the mystery of the human brain,hopefully he'll get started on Cancer/AIDS. I feel better already...
Too many geniuses on this site... :-\