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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on June 04, 2007, 09:16:22 PM
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I'm going to write more about this a little later... but did you all ever notice that in World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, and so on... America was never threatened by those countries?
The Germans couldn't even cross the English channel to invade England!! Let alone cross the Atlantic to attack America!
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Hitler was never a threat! Come on know. Japan attacked America and they were allied with Germany (look up the Axis). It was Japan that was suppose to take over the Western Hemisphere. After America defeated Japan they had ever right to help the USSR and the UK in preventing Hitler's takeover in Europe. If Hitler succeeded, do you think the Axis would just be content with what they had (especially since Japan surrendered to the USA)?
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If America had not interfered in World War 1, Hitler would have never "existed"...
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If America had not interfered in World War 1, Hitler would have never "existed"...
Your saying you think the Germans would have won World War 1 if Ameria had not interfered? It's possible I guess. That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany, because the Islamic Ottoman Empire was with Germany in World War 1, and back then all the oil-rich Arab lands of the Mid-East and North Africa were united under the Ottoman Kalifah.. which means they would of been rich of black gold!!!!
By the way.. did you know when Kaiser Wilhelm toured the Muslim world back in 1904 on special envoy from the Ottoman Sultan, that he was quoted as saying that he was very impressed with Islam and "had he not already had a religion when he left he would have converted to Islam"!
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You can say all you want about the other wars, but US involvement in WWII was the most necessary.
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thank god the U.S got involved.
If America had not interfered in World War 1, Hitler would have never "existed"...
That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
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quick question infinite......
hitler or bush? who would you prefer?
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quick question infinite......
hitler or bush? who would you prefer?
I don't know enough about Hitler to comment. Because most of what I know about Hitler comes out of the America's media and culture which has heavy Jewish influence.
I tried to read Mien Kiemf but most of it was talking about socialism so to be honest without having much knowledge of Germany's politics at the time Hitler wrote the book, it was kind of over my head.
Also, the two men had a different structure of government surrounding them. Hitler had absolute power, while Bush is somewhat restrained because he only represents the Executive branch of government (although he has worked to aquire greater presidential powers and he has done many things that were beyond the power granted to him in the Constitution).
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That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
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That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
That all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.
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That all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.
What depends?
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That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
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That all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.
What depends?
Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
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Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
Yeah, I think there is some truth to what you said... and when it comes to the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, Russia definitely played as big a role as anyone. So I would actually attribute the Allied victory over Germany/Ottomans to Russia and Britian more than US, and in the aftermath it's possible Russia could have done more harm to Germany than US, but I haven't researched that aspect much.
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Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
Well......... even if America had a bomb it doesn't mean they would have immediately went and bombed Germany and the Ottoman Empire into destruciton.. also, Germany and Ottoman Empire would have became rich after WW1 from oil wealth so they would have had more capital for research into making and biulding nukes.
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If im not mistaken when the treay of Versailles was reached President Wilson was opposed to the harsh treatments Germany was given after World War 1 but he was overruled by the English and French. The English people wanted the extreme penalties and so did the French. While English Prime Minister David Lloyd George wanted to be more cautious about it he ended up bending his will to the people. The French felt much the same and so did there Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau. So if anyone is to blame it is the English and the French given the were in the greatest position to allow leniency, but they chose to be vindictive.
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If im not mistaken when the treay of Versailles was reached President Wilson was opposed to the harsh treatments Germany was given after World War 1 but he was overruled by the English and French. The English people wanted the extreme penalties and so did the French. While English Prime Minister David Lloyd George wanted to be more cautious about it he ended up bending his will to the people. The French felt much the same and so did there Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau. So if anyone is to blame it is the English and the French given the were in the greatest position to allow leniency, but they chose to be vindictive.
Thanks for the info...
btw, just another historical note regarding the treaties that followed World War 1 for those that are interested, out of all the world leaders that comprised the defeated Central Powers, the Turkish Sultan Veheddin, was the only leader that that wasn't removed from power, and Ottomans/Turks were also the only ones who didn't have harsh reperations enforced on them.
However, I believe this was part of a larger plan, and their were historical documents to back this up, but I will mention only a couple of items here. Basically, the British had ruled over places such as the Indian subcontinent for a long time. And they were afraid if they dethroned the Islamic world leader (Kalifah) then the Indian Muslims might rebel against the Empire. So they went about achieving the same objective but in a more covert way.
They occupied the Sultan's capital, thus making the Sultan weak. And although they didn't enforce reperations, the Allied forces did control the flow of money coming in and out of the capital. Meanwhile, they turned a blind eye towards the activities of Turkish nationalist Mustapha Kemal, who was arming militia's in another Turkish city named Anatolia. Therefore, this made Attaturk (Mustapha Kemal) look powerful and the Sultan look weak. Soon, they broke a deal with Attaturk to end their occupation of the capital, so thus he then gained the credit from the people as having been the one that gave the Turks back their NATION. Then, by the time 1922 had roled around, he was viewed by the Turkish people as a hero, and he usurped authoratarian power over the Empire, and then in 1924 he desolved the institution of the Ottoman Sultan/Kalifah alltogether.
^^So you see how the British were able to meet their goal? In fact, it's a similar situation today. If America were to leave Iraq, they would try to do it in a way, that would give the credit to a handpicked group of Iraqi's, that they favor to take over the region.
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Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
Well......... even if America had a bomb it doesn't mean they would have immediately went and bombed Germany and the Ottoman Empire into destruciton.. also, Germany and Ottoman Empire would have became rich after WW1 from oil wealth so they would have had more capital for research into making and biulding nukes.
They would have done what they had to for Isreal to become a nation. If the Ottoman's stood in the way then see ya later.
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ok some quick facts..
the germans couldnt cross the channel because the english navy has been one of the strongest naval forces to exist on this planet.. we live on an island.. to leave and conquer 4/5ths of the world we had to have an army on the sea
the germans did mercilessly bomb the crap out of england.. but at first we had sound mirrors (for some cool pics see http://www.castlekas.freeserve.co.uk/sound_mirrors.htm) and later invented radar to detect the incoming threaty. other ingenius tactics were used... like.. they used to dark out towns.. but in hills/fields nearby they'd lay out lights so it looked like the town from above.. they'd bomb these "lit" fields..
However, I believe this was part of a larger plan, and their were historical documents to back this up, but I will mention only a couple of items here. Basically, the British had ruled over places such as the Indian subcontinent for a long time. And they were afraid if they dethroned the Islamic world leader (Kalifah) then the Indian Muslims might rebel against the Empire. So they went about achieving the same objective but in a more covert way.
then what happened in india?
muslims formed "the muslim league"
muslims marched in the night and persecuted and attacked the peaceful Buddhist and Hindu indians alike.. they'd lock themselves in their homes to secure them from the muslim mobs.
and ultimately forced segregation and the formation of Pakistan.
those that didn't leave the places where their families had dwelled for 1000s of years and move to "safe" areas (which became india) were either killed or came to england
genocidal land grabbing dirty muslim bastards!
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then what happened in india?
muslims formed "the muslim league"
muslims marched in the night and persecuted and attacked the peaceful Buddhist and Hindu indians alike.. they'd lock themselves in their homes to secure them from the muslim mobs.
and ultimately forced segregation and the formation of Pakistan.
those that didn't leave the places where their families had dwelled for 1000s of years and move to "safe" areas (which became india) were either killed or came to england
genocidal land grabbing dirty muslim bastards!
They don't even give that representation here in America, that's probably a British thing to remove your giult over a bloody occupation of India that lasted for centuries.
Even in the American representation in their textbooks, they actually make it sound as if what followed World War 1, was that Muslim, Hindu, Sihk, Buddist, all held hands and united together to oppose British rule, with the figurehead being Gandi, and so ultimately Britian had to leave, but not without planting the seeds for India's own destruction by seperating India and Pakistan in such a way that has led to the perpetual fighting over rights to Kashmir that weren't ever clearly defined.
^^That's the American perspective. My perspective is that the Hindu's had stabbed the Muslims in the back for centuries, the Hindu's were usually the ones conspiring with the Britian's to the disadvantage of the Indian people and for the advantage of the white man. Then, eventually, the Muslims fought to remove Britian's occupation... so Britian was forced out, however, Britian did not want India to become a threat down the road, so therefore they gave power to the Hindu's and claimed they left because of Ghandi's non-violent revolution, and they also left the Kashmir issue undefined to use as a wedge between Indian's and Pakistani's and play them against eachother.
As for the (West) Pakistan, (East Pakistan) Bangledash beef, I think Muslims have to accept most of the responsibility for that, although I think the Western Powers may have aided somewhat in that affair as it was ultimately towards their imperialistic advantage.
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ok some quick facts..
the germans couldnt cross the channel because the english navy has been one of the strongest naval forces to exist on this planet.. we live on an island.. to leave and conquer 4/5ths of the world we had to have an army on the sea
the germans did mercilessly bomb the crap out of england.. but at first we had sound mirrors (for some cool pics see http://www.castlekas.freeserve.co.uk/sound_mirrors.htm) and later invented radar to detect the incoming threaty. other ingenius tactics were used... like.. they used to dark out towns.. but in hills/fields nearby they'd lay out lights so it looked like the town from above.. they'd bomb these "lit" fields..
However, I believe this was part of a larger plan, and their were historical documents to back this up, but I will mention only a couple of items here. Basically, the British had ruled over places such as the Indian subcontinent for a long time. And they were afraid if they dethroned the Islamic world leader (Kalifah) then the Indian Muslims might rebel against the Empire. So they went about achieving the same objective but in a more covert way.
then what happened in india?
muslims formed "the muslim league"
muslims marched in the night and persecuted and attacked the peaceful Buddhist and Hindu indians alike.. they'd lock themselves in their homes to secure them from the muslim mobs.
and ultimately forced segregation and the formation of Pakistan.
those that didn't leave the places where their families had dwelled for 1000s of years and move to "safe" areas (which became india) were either killed or came to england
genocidal land grabbing dirty muslim bastards!
Seer you idiot. Muslims aren't capable of evil. Even in Greece where my ancestory is from, when the Muslims ruled over Greece for 400 years it was the best era in the history of the region. Only white Christians are capable of evil.
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That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
America didn't make Germany mad, but they gave other countries the opportunity to make Germany really, REALLY mad. And that's why Hitler could happen.
No disrespect to France but that treaty of Versailles just took it too far.
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That all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.
What depends?
Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
Germany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.
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quick question infinite......
hitler or bush? who would you prefer?
do you mean that serious? ::) :-X
America didn't make Germany mad, but they gave other countries the opportunity to make Germany really, REALLY mad. And that's why Hitler could happen.
No disrespect to France but that treaty of Versailles just took it too far.
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yeah, that's one of the reasons,but I can n somehow understand why people voted for Hitler. The problem was that Germany wasn't ready for what we call "democracy", just like some Islamic states like Iraq.
And I think that all US interventions were neccessary, the first because because war ended faster and we don't need to discuss about WW II. The fist world war wasn't just Germany's fault, but the problem was simply Whilhelm II, who was the most incompetent leader in German history. If he wouldn't have fired Bismarck, WW I never happened. And as France and Russia alligned, the English wanted to form an alliance with Germany, and with the UK Germany wouldn't have lost the war .
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Germany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.
Einstien was a Jew. So that supports your theory.
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7, are you German?
If so, I'm curious to hear a perspective from the Germans about why they lost WW1, and also, how the Ottoman Empire is presented in today's German textbooks and whether the German's are bitter to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it ultimately wasn't enough) or grateful to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it was Germany that encouraged them in the first place).
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7, are you German?
If so, I'm curious to hear a perspective from the Germans about why they lost WW1, and also, how the Ottoman Empire is presented in today's German textbooks and whether the German's are bitter to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it ultimately wasn't enough) or grateful to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it was Germany that encouraged them in the first place).
You just can't win a war like that. Being a country in the middle of it and in war with more than 2 fronts against you. Being from America it is a situation hard to grasp. Because your country is isolated as fuck.
Other important factors were that the UK was superior in the water, with their boats and shit. They were a nation that thrived on those type of things, whereas Germany was just getting into it, understandably as the UK is an island and Germany doesn't have any significant water around itself.
But the ultimate factor was, as soon as America entered the war there was no way of winning it. You can't battle half the world and win, when your county is in the middle of it. Of course the US waited a couple years until they joined, which has been pretty sneaky.
The Ottoman Empire is not very present in the textbooks when it comes to WW1. Nobody is bitter about them. The fact is, that they teach a sort of self-hate in school. For example, according to the books and common perspective, the country that started WW1 was Germany, but it was really Austria (which is to Germany pretty much what Canada is to the US) was catching feelings because Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Serbia in a terroristic act, and the country (Serbia) wasn't really going to do anything about it so they declared war upon them. As Austria can't handle something like this by itself, it went without saying that its big brother Germany would help them majorly. And that's how one thing add to another. Yet nobody talks about that. It's always just "Germany started the war, the whole reason for everything bad that happened from 1914 to 1918 is Germany, fuck Germany"... and that is also the reason why they don't talk about allies much. They don't really talk about the Japanese or Pearl Harbor when it comes to WW2. Like I said, they teach you self-loath in school.
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if muslims are so good why didnt they invent nukes? :D
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That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
America didn't make Germany mad, but they gave other countries the opportunity to make Germany really, REALLY mad. And that's why Hitler could happen.
No disrespect to France but that treaty of Versailles just took it too far.
They only allowed something like that to happen, because back then, America wasn't the world police. Then Russia came in and decided to take over shit. That is when Vietnam happened, because America started blaming Communism for the cold war and Russia's greed, and they didn't want to have to deal with another country siding with their enemiies.
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Germany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.
Einstien was a Jew. So that supports your theory.
Yeah but Oppenheimer was in the US before WW1. The bottom line with the Ottoman is Isreal. Fuck it didn't matter who was the world power. All the fucking major scientists behind the weapon were Jewish and most of them were zionist. If the Ottomans got in the way it wouldn't matter if it were the US or Germany nuking theiir faces off.
And whether or not Germany won WW1 would have little effect on the US becoming a super power and no one was ever going to take over the States regardless. Too many people and too hard to set up a strong front to get in. You'd have to take over Canada and Mexico first just to stand a chance, and good luck going through Russia. The US economy was on the verge of a super boom in the 1900s and they had the workforce to drive it.
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You just can't win a war like that. Being a country in the middle of it and in war with more than 2 fronts against you. Being from America it is a situation hard to grasp. Because your country is isolated as fuck.
Other important factors were that the UK was superior in the water, with their boats and shit. They were a nation that thrived on those type of things, whereas Germany was just getting into it, understandably as the UK is an island and Germany doesn't have any significant water around itself.
But the ultimate factor was, as soon as America entered the war there was no way of winning it. You can't battle half the world and win, when your county is in the middle of it. Of course the US waited a couple years until they joined, which has been pretty sneaky.
The Ottoman Empire is not very present in the textbooks when it comes to WW1. Nobody is bitter about them. The fact is, that they teach a sort of self-hate in school. For example, according to the books and common perspective, the country that started WW1 was Germany, but it was really Austria (which is to Germany pretty much what Canada is to the US) was catching feelings because Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Serbia in a terroristic act, and the country (Serbia) wasn't really going to do anything about it so they declared war upon them. As Austria can't handle something like this by itself, it went without saying that its big brother Germany would help them majorly. And that's how one thing add to another. Yet nobody talks about that. It's always just "Germany started the war, the whole reason for everything bad that happened from 1914 to 1918 is Germany, fuck Germany"... and that is also the reason why they don't talk about allies much. They don't really talk about the Japanese or Pearl Harbor when it comes to WW2. Like I said, they teach you self-loath in school.
Thanks for the response. I got to admit, in many ways Germany is extremely impressive. Because, they were obviously the key figure of the Central War powers, and in many cases I must admit the Ottomans were more of a liability to them than a partner. Also, Germany was a big brother to Austria, and Hungary I don't think was that much help. My point is, in some ways, it was like GERMANY AGAINST THE WORLD! AND THE SUPRISING THING IS, THEY DAMN NEAR WON! If the American's had not entered, and if the Arabs had not rebelled and stabbed their co-religionist Turks in the back (which they immediately regretted as soon as they found out about the Sykes-Picot agreement which actually granted land to France that they had already been promised by Britian; and would SEVERELY come to regret when the realized Palestine was going to become a Jewish homeland).
And not only was Germany impressive then, but look at their resilence after the war. They went from almost being the Central world superpower, to losing the war and becoming the world's bitch, with harsh reperations and occupation and everything; and then, again they were right back in the middle of things in WW2, again on the verge of becoming the world superpower! And then, they lose again in the most embarrasing fashion, their leader, Hitler, becomes known as the worst monster in world history... YET AGAIN now they have bounced back to become one of the major Western Powers!
So, I have to admit, Germany has incredible resilience. Also, I've had the chance to read more about Kaiser Wilhelm so I'd like to hear 7even's perspective on Kaiser Wilhelm, and anything else you'd like to add about their alliance with the Ottomans. Ohh, and you kind of explained militarily why they lost (because of inferior seapower, etc.) but I would like to hear more about idealogically why they lost, I mean, was it a case of too much ambition? Or that they were sabatoged by Britian? Or pulled into a bad war by Austria? Please explain.
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7EVEN, I just thought of another question I wanted to ask....
Who did Hitler blame for Germany's WW1 loss? What did Hitler think of Kaiser Wilhelm? And did Hitler feel like the Jews had sabatoged Germany in losing WW1, and is that part of where his hate stemmed from? (Because after all, it was a major victory for the Zionist Jews that the German's and Ottomans lost)
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So, I have to admit, Germany has incredible resilience. Also, I've had the chance to read more about Kaiser Wilhelm so I'd like to hear 7even's perspective on Kaiser Wilhelm, and anything else you'd like to add about their alliance with the Ottomans. Ohh, and you kind of explained militarily why they lost (because of inferior seapower, etc.) but I would like to hear more about idealogically why they lost, I mean, was it a case of too much ambition? Or that they were sabatoged by Britian? Or pulled into a bad war by Austria? Please explain.
My personal opinion is that they lost because they burned the candle at both ends. They were by far superior in comparison to for instance a country like France, and they were pretty damn arrogant. They tried to run over France and Russia simultanelously, stuff like this. They also attacked and attacked without caring much about strategic retreats.
About Kaiser Wilhelm, I think he made a major mistake when he fired Bismarck. Bismarck was a true genius. Wilhelm also had deep inner hate for the UK, because his mother was English and he was a little physically retarded and back then those things were kind of blamed on the mother. His hate for England didn't come in handy in the war cause you don't make the best decisions when you're emotional.
Ultimately my main problem with him is that he couldn't arrange himself with Bismarck. I have to say that I'm not a fan of inherited leaders to begin with, for all the obvious reasons... just because you're the son of somebody doesn't mean you're fit to be the leader of a great nation.
About the alliance with the Ottomans I don't have much knowledge/thoughts on, sorry.
7EVEN, I just thought of another question I wanted to ask....
Who did Hitler blame for Germany's WW1 loss? What did Hitler think of Kaiser Wilhelm? And did Hitler feel like the Jews had sabatoged Germany in losing WW1, and is that part of where his hate stemmed from? (Because after all, it was a major victory for the Zionist Jews that the German's and Ottomans lost)
The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.
I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
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I'm going to write more about this a little later... but did you all ever notice that in World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, and so on... America was never threatened by those countries?
The Germans couldn't even cross the English channel to invade England!! Let alone cross the Atlantic to attack America!
In WWI US didn't want to enter the war and get involved in European affairs, they didn't enter the war until the German Navy sunk the Lusitania a civilian American ship.
In WWII FDR had wanted to enter the war but Congress did not want to get involved in European affairs once again, Hitler feared US entry into the war and so he signed the Tripartite Pact with Italy and Japan which meant each country would support each other if either of them were attacked. So when Japan attacked Pearl Harbour Britain and USA declared war on Japan, then Hitler declared war on America as part of the Tripartite, and after that Britain and Russia told the US to focus on taking out Germany in Europe and then they would focus on Japan.
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if muslims are so good why didnt they invent nukes? :D
Because they're "good" ;)
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The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.
I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
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You can say all you want about the other wars, but US involvement in WWII was the most necessary.
co-sign
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7EVEN, I just thought of another question I wanted to ask....
Who did Hitler blame for Germany's WW1 loss? What did Hitler think of Kaiser Wilhelm? And did Hitler feel like the Jews had sabatoged Germany in losing WW1, and is that part of where his hate stemmed from? (Because after all, it was a major victory for the Zionist Jews that the German's and Ottomans lost)
Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
brian now seriously, have jews ever done anything to you, like making you touch their dicks or lick their balls...?!
its just that it somehow seems to me that you are kinda traumatized & obsessed with them
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In 1917 USA got in to the war mostly to secure economical and political benefits.
What drew United States in to the world war =
- If German had won the war, USA's war loans and investments in Europe would have been in danger.
- Germany supported Mexico when it was in war against USA 1915-1917. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram)
- Germany's submarine war against neutral countries' trade ships.
- United Kingdom wanted USA to get in the war -> Great and influential Jewish organizations manipulated American press and politicians to start war propaganda against Germany.
At first, USA didn't want to get involved in to the war because war opened a great market for USA and even Wilson was chosen for 2nd season just because Americans believed him to keep USA out of the war.
Before getting in to the WWII USA provided war suplies to Soviet Union and United Kingdom, to help them fight against Nazis, and tried to stay out of the war like in the WWI. Japan was the one who drew USA in to the war in 1941(Pearl Harbor) but there is no doubt that USA wouldn't have joined the war later.
Vietnam war was fought because Americans wanted to prevent the spread of communism.
Gulf 1 & 2 = Oil
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So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
I have no real knowledge about concrete, legitimate reasons for Hitler's Anti-Semitism. It is nothing you can discuss in Germany. They will tell you Hitler was insane and stuff like this. I have probably never heard an objective discussion about Hitler in my entire life. It is either Nazi-propaganda or Anti-Nazi-propaganda. Never worth listening to, neither of it.
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The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.
I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
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hitlers policy was basically germany for germans, not the muslims, hitler turned his back on russia, after invading the first few countries during WW2.
americas presence was much needed in europe during ww2.
brian the stuff your talking about is bollocks, if u want some interesting stuff, ive got a book with interview from people who survived ww2 and what they went through, one of them being my great grandad who survived 2 world wars, and how he shanked germans on the regular so you could have your fucking internet and post this shit
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I would actually attribute the Allied victory over Germany/Ottomans to Russia and Britian more than US, and in the aftermath it's possible Russia could have done more harm to Germany than US, but I haven't researched that aspect much.
Russia fought miserably against Germany and Austria-Hungary in the eastern front. Economical chaos and starvation led to takeover of Bolsheviks' in Russia which led Russia to drop off the war in January 1918. WWI ended in November 1918.
British managed to hold their positions in the western front but I believe that they would have lost in the end because Germany had more units to invest in western front since Russia quited the war.
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Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
First of all, there's no way that you can tell me the German Jews didn't do anything. Zionism was becoming very popular at the time, and there was an oppurtunity being promised to them by the allied forces for a homeland in Palestine, so you can't tell me the German Jews just hung out and did nothing. I know many Jews served in the war to fight against the Ottomans.
Secondly, did I ever say Hitler loved Muslims? That's not the issue here, I was trying to find out more info about the German's perspective in WW1. You keep talking about Hilter, because all you were taught in your stupid 9th grade history class was that he was a big bad monster who killed Jews for no reason. Maybe part of that is true, but it's not the whole story. And actually I'm not really even talking about Hitler so much here, I'm actually more concerned with the WW1 era, and the fall out of that war.
I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".
^^Now, that could have just been said to gain the Ottomans support in WW1. And it is possible that if Germany would have won, they might have then looked to gain control over the Ottomans lands and attacked them as well. It is possible.
My position would be that Ottomans probably should have stayed nuetral and protected themselves during the war.
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Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
First of all, there's no way that you can tell me the German Jews didn't do anything. Zionism was becoming very popular at the time, and there was an oppurtunity being promised to them by the allied forces for a homeland in Palestine, so you can't tell me the German Jews just hung out and did nothing. I know many Jews served in the war to fight against the Ottomans.
Secondly, did I ever say Hitler loved Muslims? That's not the issue here, I was trying to find out more info about the German's perspective in WW1. You keep talking about Hilter, because all you were taught in your stupid 9th grade history class was that he was a big bad monster who killed Jews for no reason. Maybe part of that is true, but it's not the whole story. And actually I'm not really even talking about Hitler so much here, I'm actually more concerned with the WW1 era, and the fall out of that war.
I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".
^^Now, that could have just been said to gain the Ottomans support in WW1. And it is possible that if Germany would have won, they might have then looked to gain control over the Ottomans lands and attacked them as well. It is possible.
My position would be that Ottomans probably should have stayed nuetral and protected themselves during the war.
No it ain't just 9th grade history class, I know what I'm talking about. Has nothin' to do with school. And yeah the Jews didn't do anything they lived like regular Germans, only difference was their religion and the high income they had.
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The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.
I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
Hitlers hatred for jews as far as I know had a lot to do with things they did after the war, After Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated the throne the Weimar Republic became in charge, and surrendered, the Weimar Republic were of course mostly Jews, and they were forced into signing the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler believed that Germany could have continued the war and won,but they obviously didn't have a chance at that point. He saw the Treaty as a slap in the face to Germany and he blamed the Weimar(Jews) for it.
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I'm going to write more about this a little later... but did you all ever notice that in World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, and so on... America was never threatened by those countries?
The Germans couldn't even cross the English channel to invade England!! Let alone cross the Atlantic to attack America!
lmfao
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Hitler's just lucky Kobe wasnt alive yet
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\I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".
I believe Hitler himself likened National Socialism to Islam (or rather, "Mohammedism", as he called it) and stated he admired Islam's violent tendencies.
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I'm going to write more about this a little later... but did you all ever notice that in World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, and so on... America was never threatened by those countries?
The Germans couldn't even cross the English channel to invade England!! Let alone cross the Atlantic to attack America!
Too funny. Know your history.
The last part is laughable. Google it.