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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on June 15, 2007, 03:10:04 PM
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causing "shock and outrage" among the Hispanics in the audience at a recent speech.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true
Gov. aims for healing, hits a snag with Latino journalists
By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer
June 14, 2007
SAN JOSE — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's views about civilian border patrols, immigration reform and undocumented immigrants were put to the test Wednesday when he was grilled by Latino journalists gathered for an annual convention.
Schwarzenegger's appearance in the historic California Theatre at the start of the National Assn. of Hispanic Journalists' 25th anniversary convention aimed to improve his image among Latinos, an important segment of the California electorate.
Whether his big grin and conciliatory responses won over critics remains to be seen.
The governor drew gasps from some of the 700 people in the audience by suggesting that undocumented immigrants "have got to turn off the Spanish-language television" programs in order to learn English.
"I know it sounds odd, and I may be getting myself in trouble for saying this," Schwarzenegger said before launching into a retelling of his own struggle to master English. "I got rid of the television set and learned."
He added: "Even in the state capital, so many Latinos speak Spanish all the time."
Sara Shakir, managing news producer of Radio Bilingue Inc., a national Latino public radio network based in Fresno, was among those who couldn't believe he would say that, given the audience.
"Here he was, sitting in front of hundreds of journalists whose job it is to create information for people in the language they understand, and reflects their diversity and cultural heritage," she said, "and saying, 'Let's obliterate all that.' "
Cecilia Alvear, a former TV news producer, was only half kidding when she said, "What? And give up my telenovelas?" referring to Spanish-language soap operas. "His message seems to be, 'Let's be monolingual,' " Alvear said.
Some Latino leaders have faulted Schwarzenegger in the past for his endorsement of Minutemen on the United States side of the Mexican border and his vetoes of laws allowing illegal immigrants to have driver's licenses.
Additionally, an audio recording surfaced late last year in which the governor, referring to a Latina lawmaker, casually suggested that "black blood" mixed with "Latino blood" equals a "hot" personality.
On Wednesday, he blamed some of the problem on "misunderstandings."
For example, he clarified having once endorsed sealing the border, when he actually meant to support proposals for securing the border.
Nativo Vigil Lopez, president of the Mexican American Political Assn., suggested Schwarzenegger's acceptance of the group's invitation underscores his "knack for strategic political positioning" at a time when Congress is wrestling with the first comprehensive immigration reform package in decades.
He also suggested that Schwarzenegger may have plans to run for the U.S. Senate.
"In California, if you're sideways with Latinos and you're running for a U.S. Senate seat, you've got a rough row to hoe," Lopez said in an earlier interview. "So he's got to make peace with the Latino electorate, which is the only electorate in the state that continues to grow."
On Wednesday, however, Schwarzenegger said he has no plans to seek another office. Instead, he said he hoped to contribute to philanthropic work and programs such as the Special Olympics.
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He's basically right about the language stuff (I'm not going to get into the other, partly very questionable stuff), but he's an idiot if he's suprised on how people have reacted ... lol@"His message seems to be, 'Let's be monolingual'".... when that is exactly what seems to be the case right now, and what should change
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Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
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Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
Of course, but not speaking English is not a skill, and something one could consider a burden. He didn't say "forget all spanish vocabulary" or something lmao. But if you just watch spanish tv, talk spanish wherever you hang out, read spanish papers, etc, there's quite a chance you're going to make life too comfortable for yourself and never get around to learn english. Obviously this is not the problem with you, you can watch as much spanish tv as you're pleased.
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SPEEK ENGLISH OR GET OUT!
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Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
Of course, but not speaking English is not a skill, and something one could consider a burden. He didn't say "forget all spanish vocabulary" or something lmao. But if you just watch spanish tv, talk spanish wherever you hang out, read spanish papers, etc, there's quite a chance you're going to make life too comfortable for yourself and never get around to learn english. Obviously this is not the problem with you, you can watch as much spanish tv as you're pleased.
Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
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SPEEK ENGLISH OR GET OUT!
lmfao
Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
Really? I don't see the big deal of raising a kid bilingual. Of course the parents should be able to speak both languages to do that. Otherwise it's Spanish in the parents-world and English in the outside-world, which is not for the best. I've seen people talking to their kids in 2 languages, like switching it up sentence by sentence. Kids are somehow able to distinguish naturally.. I'm talking about really young kids, like really young. You can't start that stuff with a 10 year old.
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SPEEK ENGLISH OR GET OUT!
lmfao
Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
Really? I don't see the big deal of raising a kid bilingual. Of course the parents should be able to speak both languages to do that. Otherwise it's Spanish in the parents-world and English in the outside-world, which is not for the best. I've seen people talking to their kids in 2 languages, like switching it up sentence by sentence. Kids are somehow able to distinguish naturally.. I'm talking about really young kids, like really young. You can't start that stuff with a 10 year old.
It used to be easier because schools here in California used to have bi-lingual programs. They would teach the smarter kids some Spanish lessons up until 3rd Grade. The younger Latino generation will just be much more comfortable with English in the future than what it is today. In about ten years, it's going to be switched from Spanish first, English second, to English first, Spanish second.
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he gonna teach them
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Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
Of course, but not speaking English is not a skill, and something one could consider a burden. He didn't say "forget all spanish vocabulary" or something lmao. But if you just watch spanish tv, talk spanish wherever you hang out, read spanish papers, etc, there's quite a chance you're going to make life too comfortable for yourself and never get around to learn english. Obviously this is not the problem with you, you can watch as much spanish tv as you're pleased.
Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
I guess if that's the case...they pretty much lost their cultrual language...and eventually, generations beyond would not understand their own language...and basically their identity would pretty much be lost forever....and then...I'm thinking if this goes further down the road...they wouldn't recognize hispanics as hispanics...but what would they be known as...
"unknown?" ???
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Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
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Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
Of course, but not speaking English is not a skill, and something one could consider a burden. He didn't say "forget all spanish vocabulary" or something lmao. But if you just watch spanish tv, talk spanish wherever you hang out, read spanish papers, etc, there's quite a chance you're going to make life too comfortable for yourself and never get around to learn english. Obviously this is not the problem with you, you can watch as much spanish tv as you're pleased.
Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
I guess if that's the case...they pretty much lost their cultrual language...and eventually, generations beyond would not understand their own language...and basically their identity would pretty much be lost forever....and then...I'm thinking if this goes further down the road...they wouldn't recognize hispanics as hispanics...but what would they be known as...
"unknown?" ???
That won't happen because it won't be that extreme, there will be a shift though.
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Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
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Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
From what your stating, it seems good to own those spanish shows.
I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
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Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
Learning tha' language is immigration not assimilation. They'd assimilate if they would give up their culture and would live like "Americans" if you know what I'm sayin'. I did not say they should assimilate, but they should immigrate. Aight tha' stores make money with that, true. But you have the choice either you take the money and leave the Latinos as they are, that's fine with me, or you make them learn English by not giving them the privileges they have right now. 'Cause everybody complainin' 'bout the Latinos not learning English n' stuff but no wonder. The majority on tha high school on my block is Latino. And by Spanish teachers I mean teachers, that pretty much teach exclusively in Spanish. The Latinos get extra classes, in Spanish only. So there you have it, they can go to school in the States without learning the language. And instead of pointing tha' finger at the Latinos the government should do some changes around here, especially concerning education.
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I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles"
What is so good about living somewhere where everyone speaks a different language? That isn't good, that is chaos. You can't even communicate with the people around you.
If you want to move to our country, ADOPT OUR LANGUAGE!!!! Every other immigrant in the past has. Unfortunately, Latinos think that they are better than everyone else and that everyone has to accomodate them. They are racists.
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I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles"
What is so good about living somewhere where everyone speaks a different language? That isn't good, that is chaos. You can't even communicate with the people around you.
If you want to move to our country, ADOPT OUR LANGUAGE!!!! Every other immigrant in the past has. Unfortunately, Latinos think that they are better than everyone else and that everyone has to accomodate them. They are racists.
Hmm... You should know the difference between pride and racist.
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I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles"
What is so good about living somewhere where everyone speaks a different language? That isn't good, that is chaos. You can't even communicate with the people around you.
If you want to move to our country, ADOPT OUR LANGUAGE!!!! Every other immigrant in the past has. Unfortunately, Latinos think that they are better than everyone else and that everyone has to accomodate them. They are racists.
IF you u really wanna talk like then fine but be a little smarter with ur comments
1) speak "our language" a language that pilgrims spoke when they left THEIR COUNTRY to find a better life. A new world where they can speak freely and follow they own beliefs. The American language is one that came from another country.
So last i checked they DIDNT ADOPT THE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S LANGUAGE(s) to help belong, but instead took over and ended enforcing people to leave or do what they did.
2) I dont really know what type of insecurities u have but its starting to show pretty brightly right now. For a person to come in to this country and just forget the language they were brought with is very hard. If a person down the street wants to speak spanish, french, german.....etc, thats their right being in this country. Now to work and stuff, yes it is nessesary to speak that majority language but dont for one think that a person needs to forget where there from or who they are just cuz little pricks like you are scared of diversity.
3) Technically America hasnt even declared english to be its official language and with spanish or spanish creole being the second most spoken language in country along with many other following it is very ignoroantog u to seriously "ADOPT OUR LANGUAGE" just cuz ur limited in language and prob in culture doesnt mean you can seriously belive that you are more dominant
So instead of saying that LATINOS think they are better than everyone else, which is completely false.
IT IS VERY SIMPLY PUT THAT LATINOS AND EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE WITH A BRAIN JUST KNOW THAT WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU
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yup, they need to fuckin speak english or get out. bottom line. for christs sake when they cant even understand "double western" and their dirty ass works at carls jr.....thats a problem
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I agree with Arnold Schwarzenegger. He is totally right you can't live in a country and not speak the main langauge, fuckin' parasites only want the good side but the bad side is for someone else.
It's the same over here with immigrants. ::)
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I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles"
What is so good about living somewhere where everyone speaks a different language? That isn't good, that is chaos. You can't even communicate with the people around you.
If you want to move to our country, ADOPT OUR LANGUAGE!!!! Every other immigrant in the past has. Unfortunately, Latinos think that they are better than everyone else and that everyone has to accomodate them. They are racists.
You're acting like all the immigrants in the past adopted the English language so easily. People were also having these discussions back in the day with the Italian immigrants, and pretty much every other immigrant in the past. And wow, chaos?
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Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
Learning tha' language is immigration not assimilation. They'd assimilate if they would give up their culture and would live like "Americans" if you know what I'm sayin'. I did not say they should assimilate, but they should immigrate. Aight tha' stores make money with that, true. But you have the choice either you take the money and leave the Latinos as they are, that's fine with me, or you make them learn English by not giving them the privileges they have right now. 'Cause everybody complainin' 'bout the Latinos not learning English n' stuff but no wonder. The majority on tha high school on my block is Latino. And by Spanish teachers I mean teachers, that pretty much teach exclusively in Spanish. The Latinos get extra classes, in Spanish only. So there you have it, they can go to school in the States without learning the language. And instead of pointing tha' finger at the Latinos the government should do some changes around here, especially concerning education.
That's gotta be a private school because they took out bi-lingual classes years ago. Unless you're talking about a Foreign Language class lol. What some do take is ESL classes, which teaches the students English.
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Not only a problem amongst Latinos. Around LA area there are many communities - Korean, Chinese, Iranian, Filipino, Armenians (a part of which i am), where many first generation immigrants don't bother learning English because they can get all services they could possibly need in their native tongue. I immigrated to the states when i was 11, and i am ashamed to say that by the time i was in 8th grade i was speaking better English than some of my American-born classmates
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LMFAO at the title...yeah but thatws crazy. 8)
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first and foremost i'm bilingual
i was raised SPANISH (not mexican) and we strongly believe that you should hold on to your roots while embracing the surounding culture you live in.
which means i have ABSOLUTELY no sympathy or respect for indignant mexicans who refuse to learn english. straight up. at work i'm tired of mexicans coming in to my work and complaining to me that my white employees don't know spanish. that pisses me off and i tell them every time , that they need to stop blaming them and blame themselves for not learning the national language. i would never go to italy or germany and demand that every one spoke english, that would be very bitch made IMO. so again i refuse to show sympathy for mexicans/latinos in general who stay confortible in their ways.
seriously it's a spit in the face to latinos like me and my family who have taken the time to learn the native toungue and abide by all immigration laws. granted their are mexicans who come from secluded farm villages who don't know any better, i'll show sympathy for them, but it's the ones who try to get this country to cater to them, it's sickening.
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yup, they need to fuckin speak english or get out. bottom line. for christs sake when they cant even understand "double western" and their dirty ass works at carls jr.....thats a problem
como se dice "Fow-tin drrrink"?
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yup, they need to fuckin speak english or get out. bottom line. for christs sake when they cant even understand "double western" and their dirty ass works at carls jr.....thats a problem
como se dice "Fow-tin drrrink"?
thing is there aint even a translation its just double western, thats the name of the meal!!!!
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You should know English if you live in America or UK but you can use your own language. I just think its rude when your in the presence of people that cant speak it.
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It's rude to talk Spanish in a English country you know people won't understand it well so they feel awkward about it.
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i think that people should have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want. if they refuse to learn english, itll develope into a problem they gonna have. i dont think you can tell people what to do...they gonna see for themselves that it wont work out this way. but if people keep telling them: learn english or get the fuck outta here!, they are not gonna do it, simply becuz its impolite and ruthless to adress people that way.you are lucky to be born into your great country with all the possiblities you have, people who immigrate into your country do it mostly becuz their country sucks balls...so have som respect and snap out of your racist trip!
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i think that people should have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want. if they refuse to learn english, itll develope into a problem they gonna have. i dont think you can tell people what to do...they gonna see for themselves that it wont work out this way. but if people keep telling them: learn english or get the fuck outta here!, they are not gonna do it, simply becuz its impolite and ruthless to adress people that way.you are lucky to be born into your great country with all the possiblities you have, people who immigrate into your country do it mostly becuz their country sucks balls...so have som respect and snap out of your racist trip!
NO! they are very tractable people and it shouldn't be that hard to coerce them into doing what we want!
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i think that people should have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want. if they refuse to learn english, itll develope into a problem they gonna have. i dont think you can tell people what to do...they gonna see for themselves that it wont work out this way. but if people keep telling them: learn english or get the fuck outta here!, they are not gonna do it, simply becuz its impolite and ruthless to adress people that way.you are lucky to be born into your great country with all the possiblities you have, people who immigrate into your country do it mostly becuz their country sucks balls...so have som respect and snap out of your racist trip!
I think they should show some respect towards the U.S. All these illegal Hispanics are a burden for America but still the government doesn't really take drastic measures to get them out of here. I wouldn't consider that way of thinking as "racist". They can keep their language speak Spanish with their friends n' family, at home or whatever. But as soon as they go to work or into public areas, where they have to communicate with Americans, they better speak English. If they can't even get your order in a fastfood restaurant right, which happened to me too, something's fucked up. And I really ain't sure about tha' fact, that tha' UK has the same problems. Maybe the immigrants speak with an accent but I don't think that they refuse to learn tha' language. I have to admit I never was in tha' UK, so that's just what I think, if I'm wrong then please correct me. But if you'd live in the States you'd get my point.