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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Shawn Nutt on June 18, 2007, 09:21:42 PM
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I was looking back at old Eminem stuff, and I listened to The Real Slim Shady for the first-time in over 5 years. If you think about it, it's actually not a pop song at all. He uses the same offensive style he used on every other song (including My Name Is & Just Don't Give A Fuck, both singles) around that time, and chose boundry-pushing topics.
Also, the chorus is a play on the game-show To Tell the Truth. The show's signature phrase is "Will the real _____ please stand up?"
The song is a parody of manufactured pop songs that were being churned out at the time. It parodies these songs by including features of a typical pop song, a repetitive chrous etc. Most hardcore rap, and general music fans missed the irony, and classed this as a novelty pop song itself rather than a parody of one.
And with lyrics like this, I'm not surprised that it went #1.
I'm like a headtrip to listen to, 'cause I'm only givin' you,
Things you joke about with your friends inside your living room.
The only difference is I got the balls to say it,
Infront of y'all, and I don't gotta be false or sugar-coated at all.
I just get on the mic' and spit it,
And whether you like to admit it, I just shit it,
Better than 90% of you rappers out can. Then you wonder,
"How can kids eat up these albums like valiums?" It's funny.
What you think?
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No doubt man... Em is a fuckin genius... He spit raw shit, in the public limelight... He says it himself, he dont gotta suga-coat shit...
That song, an instant classic... When it came out, i was like whaa... Aint noone been played that much on T.V. sayin the shit he said...
His music is smart as...
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I never knew about that game show shit ('cause I've never seen that here). The poppiness always came from the upbeat instrumental, not the lyrics.
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HE was nice.now he jus ice. 8)
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That's funny - just two days ago I was at the gym running on one of these treadmills with an in-built tv, and I was watching some flashback show on MTV. The Real Slim Shady came on, and I didn't have any earphones to listen to it but reading his lips I could closely follow everything he said... I thought - wow, that's actually a really decent song. It's indeed the upbeat pop instrumental that's messing it up somewhat, but the song itself is extremely decent, as is the video. Good old days...
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Classic joint. Even in these days, when he has that wierd flow and stuff like that, to me hes still better than the majority of rappers out today. Even when he makes those goofy songs, theyre more lyrical and creative than most of the raps out right now.
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Yes, he truly is a genius. He couldn't have came out with a more perfect single than that one. Because he stayed true to himself and his style, yet at the same time it was a huge pop hit and his album sold 1.7 million in the first week. The song was so timely, it really expressed the movement and connection he had made with his fans. Absolutely incredible, that whole album was sensational. That was when he officially became the new standard bearer in hip-hop.
His first album was also incredible, but it was out of place. It kind of came to us out of nowhere. His third album, was kind of just a great emcee making a great album, just what we had came to expect. But that second album, was not only phenomenal but the TIMING of the album, it came out right after the "Forgot About Dre" video had blown up, and this dude was on fire... He had his hand on the pulse of America at that time, and his hand on the pulse of hip-hop and he represented underground hip-hop, his disenfranchised fans, and at the same time it was a big huge pop hit. Dude sold 1.7 million the first week, and that was when NAPSTER WAS HUGE. Not only that, the first week he had that situation where he had gotten arrested for pistol-whipping that dude who was with "Kim" and the UP In Smoke Tour was taking off... it was just a crazy time.
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Yes, he truly is a genius. He couldn't have came out with a more perfect single than that one. Because he stayed true to himself and his style, yet at the same time it was a huge pop hit and his album sold 1.7 million in the first week. The song was so timely, it really expressed the movement and connection he had made with his fans. Absolutely incredible, that whole album was sensational. That was when he officially became the new standard bearer in hip-hop.
His first album was also incredible, but it was out of place. It kind of came to us out of nowhere. His third album, was kind of just a great emcee making a great album, just what we had came to expect. But that second album, was not only phenomenal but the TIMING of the album, it came out right after the "Forgot About Dre" video had blown up, and this dude was on fire... He had his hand on the pulse of America at that time, and his hand on the pulse of hip-hop and he represented underground hip-hop, his disenfranchised fans, and at the same time it was a big huge pop hit. Dude sold 1.7 million the first week, and that was when NAPSTER WAS HUGE. Not only that, the first week he had that situation where he had gotten arrested for pistol-whipping that dude who was with "Kim" and the UP In Smoke Tour was taking off... it was just a crazy time.
And not long after that, he dropped Stan.
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When you listen to the 99-2000 Em then the 04-07 version, it's kinda hard to believe it's the same artist :'(
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Not only that, the first week he had that situation where he had gotten arrested for pistol-whipping that dude who was with "Kim" and the UP In Smoke Tour was taking off... it was just a crazy time.
Yeah that 99-01 era was crazy.. Em, Dre, Snoop, , Xzbit all of them droppin very good songs/albums ... I'm still waiting for another era like that one... but there are very little chances to happen again
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Out of his 4 solo albums, that was his best lead/commercial single.
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when dre first signed him i was like why'd he sign this wack white boy. only a couple years ago when rakim said he was the greatest i checked him again and saw what was great about him. lyrically he's amazing, he's pretty different, and behind the humour he says a lot of real shit. i think the young kids from the burbs only look at him at surface level.
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^ exactly... i used to be the same way, up until a few years ago... i realized that he wasnt just popular, he was good...
The Marshall Mathers LP had no "radio-friendly" songs on it, so at the last minute Dre made an up-beat song, and Em rapped over it the same way he normally does. I guess the radio executives thought it was a pop-song as well. So did I until I actually listened to it again.
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That's funny, a few weeks ago the video came on TV and I was listening to it and I was like DAMN, this is miles ahead of everything else out right now lyrically... On one of his most commercial pop songs, Em's lyrics were still :o
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It was a hit because the only thing the mainstream audience is listening to are the hook and the beat.
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Was and will always be a great song to introduce yourself to the world. I still think Em is best when he is storytelling though. I mean, you can tell from that song that he was like 'I am here, I have this to tell you, this to say, fuck you if you dont like it'. Now its almost as if he has run out of stuff to say. The last good tunes Eminem's flow and lyrics where amazing on where 8-Mile stuff like Lose yourself, 8 mile road, Rabbit Run, and that is because he had a story and a background for Rabbit's charachter. He could express Rabbit in the songs as he express Slim Shady back then.
Now he pretty much sucks. I hope he comes back with a solid, old school like album though. He must have new material to rhyme about especially with Proof getting shot up and stuff. I just hope he can blow us all away again.
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would you literally clasify eminem as a musical genius?
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he never dropped an album that i'd call "classic", but he sure is one of the most talented rappers ever
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Nah, never liked it
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the real slim shady not a pop song at all? completely disagree, its a blatant crossover joint, highly commercial and is basically a hiphop pop joint....but that does not mean it is wack.....the joint was highly influential no doubt, it was def an anthem for all the white kids out there.....and to be honest it had a big affect on hiphop too because after this everyone expected people to drop a comedy/poppy first joint even though niggaz cannot do joints like that....remember obies got some teeth?lol.....and because of that joint we had to hear bullshit joints like without me and just loose it because he was expected to top that for jokes and effect and be poppy at the same time.....it is kinda like how 50 dropped in da club....which was a lil different from the expected "next real slim shady" lead single for every joint and went for a club vibe and even though 50's joint is no doubt a all time club classic now everyone expects people to drop a club joint as lead single similar to how everyone was expected to drop a pop joint for a first single after real slim shady dropped....the best 'commercial' single em ever dropped imo was gulity conscience....but the best lead single he ever dropped was this for his albums....not including the 8 mile cd ofcourse...
About eminem being a genius....i believe at his peak he was amazing....truely brilliant on the mic, did it like not other white boy could...BUT cat is seriously limited in what he speaks about and to be only 4 albums deep and be played out after the first 3 is pretty much all the evidence i need about that....dude was brilliant back then no doubt...i remember when eminem use to make d12 look like amatuers on their cd's......remember fight music??....only proof could really hold his own back then.....now he seems like just another member of a wack group......
today eminem is horrible and is nowhere near as good as other artists out today, both old and young....but in his defense his only put out on terrible album....which was truely wack and a wack compilation.....the presenting shady records bullshit....so his CV is still pretty dope...but dude needs to re-invent himself...come back without a bitch flow, show some hunger and versatility......right now em is not nowhere cats who get spoken about alot these day both new and old....not because he lacks talent...because he has shown what he can do...but because cat fall off harder than a muhfucker......eminem is horrible today....
But he will go down as a legend and i think he deserves it even if he is wack today because the impact he had on hiphop is huge whether it was a good one or not and he def was the white hope of hiphop for white cats for a long ass time...
oh and i do not think any of his albums are classics personally but i have said it befo that if anyone was to come to me and MMLP was a classic...i would not argue because to me it is his closest while the slim shady lp and eminem show were solid albums but not classics at all to me....and we all know encore was a joke....
pz
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I've always liked that song, don't know why people thought it was pop
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Just another reason I think Eminem isn't as dope as he used to be, is he probably isn't a heavy drug abuser like he used ot be. Really, that's the reason for a lot of these rappers losing their creativity, is that with success sometimes they start taking better care of their health. Redman said his best album back in the day off the strength of one crazy acid trip.
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when dre first signed him i was like why'd he sign this wack white boy. only a couple years ago when rakim said he was the greatest i checked him again and saw what was great about him. lyrically he's amazing, he's pretty different, and behind the humour he says a lot of real shit. i think the young kids from the burbs only look at him at surface level.
That pisses me off how everyone rejected him when he first came out just because he was white. I knew the summer of 98' when I was reading rap pages that this dude had to be dope, because Dre wouldn't be messing with him if he wasn't. That was back when Dre wasn't putting out anything for like 2 years, so you knew this guy had to be sensational to get Dre off his ass.
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Eminem=Overrated, never liked him much and although i liked a few of his songs this was not one of them.