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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on June 24, 2007, 01:29:19 PM
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lebanese are the most useless people ever
when israel bombed half the country, the prime minister was on tv, crying like a bitch, beggin israel to stop, while keepin his troops in their barracks.
when some tin bit mom n pops militant group starts wilin out, these fags start talkin tough, and launch these operations to make themselves feel better.
not to mention lebanese always had a superiority complex, elitist bitches. im glad your country is disintegrating.
plus their all abusive insecure jealous pricks
:D @ tech providing consolation dick to manipulated lebanese whores
lets discuss
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plus massari is lebanese ;D
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Hezbollah (Lebanese Shi'ites) keeps it real.... the rest of the country is sucking a lot of western dick.
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well the prime minister is a bitch ,but he's not different than the rest of leaders in our region, and about crying http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/10/asia/AS_GEN_Afghan_Karzai.php.
i assume by the militants u mean hezbollah , also i don't think they did any real damage to isreal they didn't do bad with the resources they got.
about the superiority complex ,u can say that some of them do ,but a lot of them are cool and religion doesn't make a difference.
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well the prime minister is a bitch ,but he's not different than the rest of leaders in our region, and about crying http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/10/asia/AS_GEN_Afghan_Karzai.php.
i assume by the militants u mean hezbollah , also i don't think they did any real damage to isreal they didn't do bad with the resources they got.
about the superiority complex ,u can say that some of them do ,but a lot of them are cool and religion doesn't make a difference.
Nah... he's referring to Fatah al-Islam... whose actions are supported by factions within the Lebanese government, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the U.S. ... not that this should come as news to anybody, but world politics is all just a fucking game nowadays.
As far as Karzai goes... he's just a bitch sucking America's dick.... the CIA is making bank off the opium there... production has skyrocketed since the Taliban were gone (and Americans came in), I have relatives over there who see first hand that foreigners (Americans) are the ones conducting the trade, they keep making it seem like they wanna destroy the crop, and then Karzai turns around saying "pesticides are dangerous so we can't use that and have to find another measure", and all the chumps in the government and with any connections to it (including Karzai's brother who recently got busted) are making bank off this shit... not that it's a bad thing... those farmers growing this shit are only getting chump change for what it's really worth, but for them that's food on the table... so they gotta get theirs...
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How can you single out a whole race as 'useless' just cus they dont wanna go blow themselves up in Israel? Fuck Hezbollah. What do they do? Every now and then they launch a couple of rockets and keep the beef running with Israel. Thats no victory stategy, thats pointless. I can understand the Lebanese getting fed-up with Hezbollah, because of their actions, Lebannon got leveled. Fuck Hezbollah, its good they got taken off, using Palestinian refugees as cover, thats bitch tactics. All Hezbollah and Hamas do is engage in this tit-for-tat killing with Israel. Fuck that, whats a couple of shitty little rockets going to do? How you gonna win a war like that? Fuck em all, Hamas and Fatah gotta quit throwing rocks and instead make money, administer their government, get health care/proper secular education for their people and then engage in negotions with Israel about setting territorial boarders. Israel would be a dope trading partner for Lebannon. If given the chance people would rather trade, make money, buy nice clothes and fuck nice women, rather than kill each other.
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Fuck Hezbollah. What do they do? Every now and then they launch a couple of rockets and keep the beef running with Israel. Thats no victory stategy, thats pointless. You can understand the Lebanese getting fed-up with Hezbollah, because of their actions, Lebannon got leveled. Fuck Hezbollah, its good they got taken off. All Hezbollah and Hamas do is engage in this tit-for-tat killing with Israel. Fuck that, whats a couple of shitty little rockets going to do? How you gonna win a war like that? Fuck em all. Hamas and Fatah gotta quit throwing rocks, make money, administer their government, get health care/proper secular education for their people, and then engage in negotions with Israel about setting territorial boarders. Israel would be a dope trading partner.
You clearly don't know shit
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Fuck Hezbollah. What do they do? Every now and then they launch a couple of rockets and keep the beef running with Israel. Thats no victory stategy, thats pointless. You can understand the Lebanese getting fed-up with Hezbollah, because of their actions, Lebannon got leveled. Fuck Hezbollah, its good they got taken off. All Hezbollah and Hamas do is engage in this tit-for-tat killing with Israel. Fuck that, whats a couple of shitty little rockets going to do? How you gonna win a war like that? Fuck em all. Hamas and Fatah gotta quit throwing rocks, make money, administer their government, get health care/proper secular education for their people, and then engage in negotions with Israel about setting territorial boarders. Israel would be a dope trading partner.
You clearly don't know shit
I clearly dont know shit? Son, Ive travelled round the World, I got a major in Political Science. Ive been to several Muslim countries, Indonesia and Malaysia. You, Son, clearly dont know shit, about Lebannon or the reality of the World. You wanna go on supporting the bitch tactics of Hezbollah and Hamas thinking they can crush Israel with a couple of shitty rockets good luck. People like you are addicted to beef. You see anything that is against Israel as good, you are brainwashed by hate and people like you are part of the reason the shit with Israel never ends.
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If your talking about Lebenon, you must first mention, that inside Lebanon their is a small militia group, Hezbollah, that was able to accomplish the impossible, as they were victorious in resisting Israel's penetration into the region last year. This is a mountainous feat, considering Israel has the 4th strongest military in the whole world, and is the only nuclear power in the whole Middle East. While Hezbollah, on the other hand, is merely a militia operating inside of a very small country.
Now, as far as the rest of Lebanon, and it's government, they are merely a client state of the West, like many Arab countries. However, what makes them somewhat unique is that they have a large Christian population. That community, unfortunately has endured great hardship. Because they have been used as agents of Christian governments who want access in the region, and therefore this has often times throughout their history caused a backlash against them.
Also, one more thing about Lebanese Christians, if nothing else you have to love them for producing the poetry of Khalil Gibran. Who is my third favorite writer behind 2pac and Jalladin Rumi.
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Fuck Hezbollah. What do they do? Every now and then they launch a couple of rockets and keep the beef running with Israel. Thats no victory stategy, thats pointless. You can understand the Lebanese getting fed-up with Hezbollah, because of their actions, Lebannon got leveled. Fuck Hezbollah, its good they got taken off. All Hezbollah and Hamas do is engage in this tit-for-tat killing with Israel. Fuck that, whats a couple of shitty little rockets going to do? How you gonna win a war like that? Fuck em all. Hamas and Fatah gotta quit throwing rocks, make money, administer their government, get health care/proper secular education for their people, and then engage in negotions with Israel about setting territorial boarders. Israel would be a dope trading partner.
You clearly don't know shit
I clearly dont know shit? Son, Ive travelled round the World, I got a major in Political Science. Ive been to several Muslim countries, Indonesia and Malaysia. You, Son, clearly dont know shit, about Lebannon or the reality of the World. You wanna go on supporting the bitch tactics of Hezbollah and Hamas thinking they can crush Israel with a couple of shitty rockets good luck. People like you are addicted to beef. You see anything that is against Israel as good, you are brainwashed by hate and people like you are part of the reason the shit with Israel never ends.
LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
LOL @ you again for thinking that Hezbollah was "trying to crush Israel"... once again, you have proven yourself to not know shit. Look at what happened in Israel after the war... you think they felt their efforts to have been a success just because they were able to kill more civilians or fuck up vital infrastructure... their leadership knew they got fucked up... not because Hezbollah came out a clear winner, but just because the mighty Israeli force didn't.... which is why you witnessed the dissatisfaction in Israel with their leaders.. now go and read your Poli Sci books to learn about how a bill gets passed in Congress or some shit, dumbass.
edit: by the way... look at why Hezbollah came up to begin with.... Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982... and the group responsible for holding them back and eventually resulting in their withdrawal was Hezbollah... the end of Hezbollah would mean territory taken from Lebanon.
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Isn't this whole episode a classic example of smoke and mirrors? the official line is that Israel somehow got defeated by Hezbollah, driven back by a bunch of organised guerilla fighters armed with basic weaponry, using their superior fighting skill to surprise and intimidate the advancing israelis. While I don't contend the point that hezbollah are quite a formidable opponent, particularly when confronted by a group of soldiers who are mostly conscripts, I do feel like Israel has been deliberately set up as the fall guy on this occasion, to firstly present the argument that Mossad must also be useless and thus can not be responsible for waves of car bombings, but also and more importantly to give the impression that the arabs triumphed. The objective of the IDF was never to conquer Lebanon per sa, it's much more subtle than that, if you remember the news was reported that Israel wished to establish a buffer zone just over the Lebanon border. The official justification for this, was so that they could then drive hezbollah back and thus stop or at least dramatically reduce the number of incidents where rockets were being fired into Israel. However it is also true, that the buffer zone gives the Israelis direct access to the Litani River, it has been reported, although admittedly I have not done enough thorough research into this, that Israel's rivers are running dry and so they need the Litani River's water supply quite urgently. Well correct me if i am wrong but that buffer zone has indeed been established, if that is the case, then you are all being played for fools by continuing with this notion that Israel were defeated.
Also by the way regarding the Lebanese prime minister, I just really don't trust him, his display of emotion seemed so contrived.
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However it is also true, that the buffer zone gives the Israelis direct access to the Litani River
Bingo. Israeli leaders in the past have explicitly admitted to wanting a portion of the land in Lebanon's south... I don't have the quotes/sources at hand right now, but if I'll post them once I come across them... I think you're being mistaken... nobody really thinks that Israel was "defeated"... there was no winner or loser... Israel wanted to Hezbollah (see what they got, their strategy, etc), destroy their infrastructure, try to clean some of the land in the south of people (the usual Israeli tactic before taking land)... and Hezbollah didn't win, but showed that Israel isn't invincible as the previous notion was... Nasrallah is on top of his shit that's for sure
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Hey you know what, regarding your last comment if you look at the way it has been dressed up, the prime minister of israel is in hot water, there have been inquiries launched as to why things went wrong, the over riding message is we failed. This has been portrayed not just on american television but also here on english television, the question being asked is why did Israel fail, but it's a damn lie, they did not fail at all. I disagree with that though JML, Israel wanted to maintain it's role as the innocent party who were simply defending themselves, Israel won, they have the buffer zone, they have massively weakened Lebanon and I agree with you on that score, that was part of the objective but if you honestly think that Israel could not take all of Lebanon if it wanted to, then you are very much mistaken. However this was not undertaken because Israel does not want to be seen as the aggressor and a full scale invasion would have lifted the veil which they hide behind. By the way what you were referring to was the greater Israel vision of David Ben Gurion
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Hey you know what, regarding your last comment if you look at the way it has been dressed up, the prime minister of israel is in hot water, there have been inquiries launched as to why things went wrong, the over riding message is we failed. This has been portrayed not just on american television but also here on english television, the question being asked is why did Israel fail, but it's a damn lie, they did not fail at all. I disagree with that though JML, Israel wanted to maintain it's role as the innocent party who were simply defending themselves, Israel won, they have the buffer zone, they have massively weakened Lebanon and I agree with you on that score, that was part of the objective but if you honestly think that Israel could not take all of Lebanon if it wanted to, then you are very much mistaken. However this was not undertaken because Israel does not want to be seen as the aggressor and a full scale invasion would have lifted the veil which they hide behind. By the way what you were referring to was the greater Israel vision of David Ben Gurion
Israel has the capabilities to just take the whole fucking place over... you're right... but that would be a little out of line even for Israel... you're also right about them trying to look like they were defending themselves, but isn't that always the case? They're also defending themselves from little boys throwing rocks by blowing up the boys' villages... massively weakened Lebanon? The Lebanese Army ain't shit to begin with... they wanted to engage in a scuffle with Hezbollah to see what they got... they don't give a fuck about the rest of Lebanon, the Lebanese government, the Lebanese army, etc... they just want a piece of the land in the south and the only thing stopping them is Hezbollah... which is ironically in Israel's eyes is also the only thing that will give them an excuse to go in there... Israel is already planning to attack Lebanon within the next few years... they've been requesting U.S. "permission" since the last war ended...
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Oh for definite the Lebanese army has been described as a poorly paid and trained rag tag band and if anything, hezbollah are a much more effective fighting unit. What I was talking about however was the fact the bombardments have massively weakened Lebanon's infrastructure, don't overlook the fact that Lebanon was a very prosperous nation and is in itself very westernised. However it's obvious once again that another reason for the massive attack on Lebanon was to stir up genuine hatred and thus create a genuine enemy. Regarding what you said about Lebanon being primed for an american attack, there might be some truth in that but why would it be necessary when the prime minister is so obviously "western minded"?
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Oh for definite the Lebanese army has been described as a poorly paid and trained rag tag band and if anything, hezbollah are a much more effective fighting unit. What I was talking about however was the fact the bombardments have massively weakened Lebanon's infrastructure, don't overlook the fact that Lebanon was a very prosperous nation and is in itself very westernised. However it's obvious once again that another reason for the massive attack on Lebanon was to stir up genuine hatred and thus create a genuine enemy. Regarding what you said about Lebanon being primed for an american attack, there might be some truth in that but why would it be necessary when the prime minister is so obviously "western minded"?
Nah... Israel wants to attack... they're asking the U.S. for the green light... the prime minister was "western minded" last summer as well... this ain't about the Lebanese government, it's about Hezbollah, which the "western mninded" faction of the government also wants to get rid of because of all the support they're gaining
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LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally.
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One of my homie told me the history of his country. Most of its history, Lebanon has been supported by france and england because the majority of the country was christian. But during the last 2 decades, shit started to change and now muslims are in majority and they can't take the power from these christians, so they align themselves with syria and iran who support them and give them weapons. Now they kill political personnalities like rafik hariri and his sons. But it looks like the governement is fighting them back. I don't know about the rest, in all the middle east people i've been in contact with including the jews, lebanese people are the most chill out cool and relax peeps i've known. Their women are real nice too :P
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LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally.
Lebanon was also an international tourism spot before 1982... and in 2006 Hezbollah retaliated for an Israeli attack... what are they supposed to do? The Lebanese people also didn't ask Hezbollah to fight back after Israel invaded in the 80s, but they realized that Hezbollah saved the country's ass... Hezbollah doesn't fire rockets for no reason... it's always in retaliation to Israeli actions on the Lebanese side of the border.... when Israel flies spy planes over south Lebanon, Hezbollah pretends to be aiming at the plane (since it has no right being there), and uses it as an excuse to launch another missile into Israel.... why don't you ask yourself what business Israel has in Lebanon? What the fuck are they trying to accomplish? As for "the Lebanese people".... why don't you look more into it, and see for yourself that Hezbollah's support skyrocketed after the war. Who said I wanted Israeli civilians to die? Stop pulling shit out of your retarded ass.
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Chaim Weizmann (to British Prime Minister - David Lloyd George) in 1919: "Lebanon is a well watered region . . . and the Litani River is valueless to the territory north of the proposed frontiers . . . . It can be used beneficially in the country much further south”
After the 1967 war, Moshe Dayan (Israeli defense minister): "Israel acheived provisionally satisfying frontiers, with the exception of those with Lebanon."
1978 invasion of south Lebanon was called: Operation Litani... stated objective was to clear out the PLO bases south of the river...
1982: invasion of Lebanon (again to clear out the PLO); PLO evacuated to Tunisia so Israel would stop bombing Beirut.... now you'd think Israel would leave Lebanon right? But no, Israel decided to chill in southern Lebanon (Litani River) until 2000... and eventually left under pressure from Hezbollah (22 years after being ordered to do so by U.N. Security Council Resolution 425)
Last summer we saw that Israel is still determined to seize that river... what better way than to cleanse the land of the people... bomb and level entire villages with the excuse that Hezbollah won't release 2 Israeli soldiers (which were in fact captured on the Lebanese side of the border)... and drop a shit load of leaflets telling the people to leave the area... they don't want the people to get hurt huh? Wrong:
Israeli army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz: the only solution now was for Israel to invade Lebanon and ethnically cleanse it up to the Litani River including Tyre.
Israel desperately needs the water, he said, if it is to survive another 50 years.
Now go suck a dick.
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LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally.
Lebanon was also an international tourism spot before 1982... and in 2006 Hezbollah retaliated for an Israeli attack... what are they supposed to do? The Lebanese people also didn't ask Hezbollah to fight back after Israel invaded in the 80s, but they realized that Hezbollah saved the country's ass... Hezbollah doesn't fire rockets for no reason... it's always in retaliation to Israeli actions on the Lebanese side of the border.... when Israel flies spy planes over south Lebanon, Hezbollah pretends to be aiming at the plane (since it has no right being there), and uses it as an excuse to launch another missile into Israel.... why don't you ask yourself what business Israel has in Lebanon? What the fuck are they trying to accomplish? As for "the Lebanese people".... why don't you look more into it, and see for yourself that Hezbollah's support skyrocketed after the war. Who said I wanted Israeli civilians to die? Stop pulling shit out of your retarded ass.
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Israel's business in Lebanon was Hezbollah. Hezbollah has to be taken off, because, how do I say this, they don't care about the welfare of Lebanon, only fighting with Israel. They are from poor families with little stake in Lebanon's economy, what do they care if the IDF destroys the Lebanese economy? The Lebanese Christians have the biggest stake in the economy, they own most the tourism joints and business in Lebanon and because of this, why would you want some local militia constantly starting shit with the heavily armed neighbour? Fuck that, they been constantly having to rebuild because of Hezbollah. Lebanon should only have 1 army, the one run by its government. The Israelis and the Lebanese are actually sick of war, its just various people who have been addicted to beef for so long they dont want to let go.
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LOL @ this chump thinking he's the next Henry Kissinger cuz he majored in Poli Sci and traveled to a couple countries... stop pulling shit out of your ass... I don't see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Jordan as good... the shit with Israel never ends because of people like you... because people think that certain groups should just bend over and take the dick from Israel already instead of looking at what's just.
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way, but the tactics used by Hezbollah in 2006 were stupid. The Lebanese infastructure is now fucked, the country has been put back a couple of decades. Its good the Lebanese government is taking them down. How is the Hamas/Hezbollah policy of sending a couple of rockets to Israel a smart move? Is all stupidity and unrealistic because Israel is too powerful to deal with this way. Israel has shown time and time again that it responds to any attack with unproportionate force. Violence is not a realistic option in dealing with Israel. I got a problem with fucks like you who think sending shitty little rockets is going to do anything except provoke a thousand more bombs in your direction. That whole policy disregards the people around who end up having to deal with the war around them, the Lebanese people never asked for Hezbollah to wage a war with Israel, in fact before 2006 Lebannon was turning into an international tourism hot-spot, but of course Hezbollah didnt care because they are broke ass refugees who were not getting paid off the Lebanese economy. Hamas and Fatah would be better off dealing with Israel through diplomatic and international pressure and getting European involvement, plus building the West Bank and Gaza back up with all that aid the West and Israel would release to them if they would quit with the bitch tactics. Either that or keep going along with these little skirmishes which never accomplish anything except give Israel an excuse to respond. The problem is simple minded fucks think its a major victory everytime an Israeli citizen dies from a terrorist attack, as I said, some people are just addicted to beef, they got their reasons of course (family killed by Israeli shells, etc), but if hate and revenge is your motivation you are a pretty shit military stategist and unfit to govern or weild power rationally.
Lebanon was also an international tourism spot before 1982... and in 2006 Hezbollah retaliated for an Israeli attack... what are they supposed to do? The Lebanese people also didn't ask Hezbollah to fight back after Israel invaded in the 80s, but they realized that Hezbollah saved the country's ass... Hezbollah doesn't fire rockets for no reason... it's always in retaliation to Israeli actions on the Lebanese side of the border.... when Israel flies spy planes over south Lebanon, Hezbollah pretends to be aiming at the plane (since it has no right being there), and uses it as an excuse to launch another missile into Israel.... why don't you ask yourself what business Israel has in Lebanon? What the fuck are they trying to accomplish? As for "the Lebanese people".... why don't you look more into it, and see for yourself that Hezbollah's support skyrocketed after the war. Who said I wanted Israeli civilians to die? Stop pulling shit out of your retarded ass.
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Israel's business in Lebanon was Hezbollah. Hezbollah has to be taken off, because, how do I say this, they don't care about the welfare of Lebanon, only fighting with Israel. They are from poor families with little stake in Lebanon's economy, what do they care if the IDF destroys the Lebanese economy? The Lebanese Christians have the biggest stake in the economy, they own most the tourism joints and business in Lebanon and because of this, why would you want some local militia constantly starting shit with the heavily armed neighbour? Fuck that, they been constantly having to rebuild because of Hezbollah. Lebanon should only have 1 army, the one run by its government. The Israelis and the Lebanese are actually sick of war, its just various people who have been addicted to beef for so long they dont want to let go.
Are you really this big of a dumbass? Hezbollah doesn't care about the welfare of Lebanon? They fought for Lebanon! What do they care? They're protecting their people- the Shi'ites in the south who Israel is trying to displace, so they can get access to the river. And no, it's not just Lebanese Christians... the Sunnis have just as big of a "stake in the economy" as you call it. And you need to get your order of events straight---- Israel invaded in 1982 (NOT BECAUSE OF HEZBOLLAH)... Hezbollah is what pushed them back and eventually led to their withdrawal (for which ALL LEBANESE PEOPLE WERE THANKFUL, hence the gain in support for Hezbollah).... and you obviously don't know jackshit about Lebanese politics... because there are Christian and Sunni leaders who are backing Hezbollah.... Yes, the Israeli and Lebanese people are sick of war... you're right, but the Israeli government isn't, and that's the problem. Not surprised you didn't respond to the other post, dumbfuck.
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I admit I dont know much about Lebanese politics and you seem to know more about the issue than me. But what Im trying to say is that Hezbollah acts like an army outside the jurisdiction of the Lebanese state and seems to operate independently of the Lebanese government, this is not really a good thing because Hezbollah isnt tied to the economic interests of Lebannon or the interests that the government has, the government and Lebannon have different priorities for Lebannon, this is what I meant by saying 'Hezbollah dosnt care about Lebannon', that they ultimately give priority to the fight with Israel rather than the economic welfare and safety of Lebannon. Despite their hero status, I dont think Hezbollah are any substitute for the Lebanese government. In 2006, Hezbollah played into the hands of Israel by allowing itself to be provoked by the IDF's incursions into the south of Lebannon, Israel was waiting for Hezbollah to react. The Lebanese government, despite everybody saying that it is hopless, is restrained for a reason.
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I admit I dont know much about Lebanese politics and you seem to know more about the issue than me. But what Im trying to say is that Hezbollah acts like an army outside the jurisdiction of the Lebanese state and seems to operate independently of the Lebanese government, this is not really a good thing because Hezbollah isnt tied to the economic interests of Lebannon or the interests that the government has, the government and Lebannon have different priorities for Lebannon, this is what I meant by saying 'Hezbollah dosnt care about Lebannon', that they ultimately give priority to the fight with Israel rather than the economic welfare and safety of Lebannon. Despite their hero status, I dont think Hezbollah are any substitute for the Lebanese government. In 2006, Hezbollah played into the hands of Israel by allowing itself to be provoked by the IDF's incursions into the south of Lebannon, Israel was waiting for Hezbollah to react. The Lebanese government, despite everybody saying that it is hopless, is restrained for a reason.
Yes, you're right... they do have different interests because Hezbollah is acting in the interest of the Lebanese people... they are already a part of the government, and have nothing to gain except dead members. Examine your logic here: they give priority to fighting with Israel rather than the safety of Lebanon.... since Isreal has invaded numerous times in the past (for reasons other than Hezbollah), and Hezbollah is retaliating in defense, aren't they defending Lebanon and thus making the safety of Lebanon a priority? Hezbollah is responsible (not the only factor, but definitely the main one) for Israel's withdrawal in 2000... and I want to emphasize again, that Israel did not invade because of Hezbollah... Hezbollah only became an issue after Israel's invasion. When Hezbollah snatched those 2 soldiers on Lebanese land, they did what any other country would've done. What Israel did in response was immoral, disproportionate, and unnecessary. Factions within the Lebanese government are "restrained" as you say because they want to see Hezbollah demolished because they're fully aware of the support growing for Hezbollah. Israel was planning last year's attack over a year in advance, and is now in the same process.
The main point is this: No Hezbollah = Israel annexes land in the south (up to the Litani River)... if it's not Hezbollah, they'll find (create) another reason (excuse). Hezbollah's purpose of existence is to prevent this from happening... if you don't consider that in the interest of the Lebanese people, then I don't know what else to tell you, since we're obviously then looking at this in completely different ways.
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I admit I dont know much about Lebanese politics and you seem to know more about the issue than me. But what Im trying to say is that Hezbollah acts like an army outside the jurisdiction of the Lebanese state and seems to operate independently of the Lebanese government, this is not really a good thing because Hezbollah isnt tied to the economic interests of Lebannon or the interests that the government has, the government and Lebannon have different priorities for Lebannon, this is what I meant by saying 'Hezbollah dosnt care about Lebannon', that they ultimately give priority to the fight with Israel rather than the economic welfare and safety of Lebannon. Despite their hero status, I dont think Hezbollah are any substitute for the Lebanese government. In 2006, Hezbollah played into the hands of Israel by allowing itself to be provoked by the IDF's incursions into the south of Lebannon, Israel was waiting for Hezbollah to react. The Lebanese government, despite everybody saying that it is hopless, is restrained for a reason.
Yes, you're right... they do have different interests because Hezbollah is acting in the interest of the Lebanese people... they are already a part of the government, and have nothing to gain except dead members. Examine your logic here: they give priority to fighting with Israel rather than the safety of Lebanon.... since Isreal has invaded numerous times in the past (for reasons other than Hezbollah), and Hezbollah is retaliating in defense, aren't they defending Lebanon and thus making the safety of Lebanon a priority? Hezbollah is responsible (not the only factor, but definitely the main one) for Israel's withdrawal in 2000... and I want to emphasize again, that Israel did not invade because of Hezbollah... Hezbollah only became an issue after Israel's invasion. When Hezbollah snatched those 2 soldiers on Lebanese land, they did what any other country would've done. What Israel did in response was immoral, disproportionate, and unnecessary. Factions within the Lebanese government are "restrained" as you say because they want to see Hezbollah demolished because they're fully aware of the support growing for Hezbollah. Israel was planning last year's attack over a year in advance, and is now in the same process.
The main point is this: No Hezbollah = Israel annexes land in the south (up to the Litani River)... if it's not Hezbollah, they'll find (create) another reason (excuse). Hezbollah's purpose of existence is to prevent this from happening... if you don't consider that in the interest of the Lebanese people, then I don't know what else to tell you, since we're obviously then looking at this in completely different ways.
But the Litani river and the southern boarder is not an issue worth risking the ENTIRE country for. I see that Hezbollah needs to be restrained because its whole way of dealing with Israel puts the overall country at risk. Of course Israel has an excuse to invade if a terrorist militia provokes them, therefore dont give Israel that excuse. The boarder with Israel should be stationed by Lebanese government troops, despite their shitness, they have more credibility as government troops than a designated terrorist militia if Israel moves into Lebanese territory, stationing UN troops to maintain the boarder with Israel is also better than just throwing it all in with Hezbollah. The only way to deal with Israel is as a friend and not provoke any response that would put Lebannon at risk. This is difficult with a private militia deciding foreign policy with such a poweful neighbour such as Israel. With a private militia that only has dead members to lose, how is such an organisation going to give priority to other factors such as the overall future security of the country and economic prosperity? Hezbollah would turn Lebanon into a military outpost against Israel, something that will return the country back to it's warzone staus, if it has not already.
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But the Litani river and the southern boarder is not an issue worth risking the ENTIRE country for.
...but I thought you said...
Hell no, I dont believe the Mid-East should just allow Israel have its way
People were saying "this chunk of land isn't worth risking the entire country for" when Hitler's Germany was annexing land in Europe... and later realized that was a dumb mistake. If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
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If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics.
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No, whites are.
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Overfiend ,you keep mentioning the term "terrorist" as if to question the legitimacy of resistance to Israeli expansionism. Let's examine this term shall we. The capsule definition of "terrorism" is the indiscriminate targeting of civilians to achieve political ends. Now let's look at the numbers. During the second Lebanon war Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians, Israel killed some 1000 civilians. In plain terms, Israel committed 25 times the terror Hezbollah committed. However, it doesn't seem like you object Israel entering negotiations on grounds of being "terrorist". I'm granting that you meant to use the term in the aforementioned sense. It's also possible you meant "terrorist" in its official state propaganda sense implying that whoever digresses from the pro-American interest in the middle east is a "terrorist".
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Overfiend ,you keep mentioning the term "terrorist" as if to question the legitimacy of resistance to Israeli expansionism. Let's examine this term shall we. The capsule definition of "terrorism" is the indiscriminate targeting of civilians to achieve political ends. Now let's look at the numbers. During the second Lebanon war Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians, Israel killed some 1000 civilians. In plain terms, Israel committed 25 times the terror Hezbollah committed. However, it doesn't seem like you object Israel entering negotiations on grounds of being "terrorist".
whether 40 or 1000, its still terrorism, everybody is terrorist, Israel, US, most countries, I mean to use the term terrorist in describing Hezbollah to indicate it's standing/image in the eyes of the world. It is classified as a terrorist organisation by the US and because of this it has less credibility as a defensive force as opposed to say, the Lebanese government's army would. Don't get me wrong yall, I find myself shouting shit at the TV and cursing Israel whenever a Palestinian kid gets capped. I am not a supporter of Israel in the traditional sense, but I am critical of viewing any opposition against Israel as legitimate. I knew alot of Israeli people, in my old neighbourhood, I think what we forget is that Israelis are people like anyone else, so I really can't see Hezbollah's actions of sending rockets everynow and then into Israel as a sane way of dealing with politics, they are murderers like everyone else, so they could get taken off for all I care.
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It is classified as a terrorist organisation by the US and because of this it has less credibility as a defensive force as opposed to say, the Lebanese government's army would.
lol...Just wanted to make sure that:
you meant "terrorist" in its official state propaganda sense implying that whoever digresses from the pro-American interest in the middle east is a "terrorist".
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If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics.
I have one thing to say to refute that bullshit: 1982... Hezbollah wasn't there, and Israel invaded...
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"Terrorism is the war of the poor; war is the terrorism of the rich."
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If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics.
I have one thing to say to refute that bullshit: 1982... Hezbollah wasn't there, and Israel invaded...
"Terrorism is the war of the poor; war is the terrorism of the rich."
You fail to grasp my point everytime, the government was taking a broad perspective, whereas Hezbollah was only pursuing short term goals.
Im not saying that Israel won't attack, but that it is better to have your boarders guarded by an army that is accountable to the state and the people instead. Hezbollah as a militia dosnt seem to be accountable to the state and dosnt care what the government wants and since it is not accountable to the government, it disregards the Lebanese people and the safety of the economy.
If you look at the 2006 conflict, the Lebanese government wanted Hezbollah to release the captured Israeli soldiers cause it feared Israel would respond and put the country's infastructure and economy in danger, my point is the government was looking out for alot of factors about Lebanon such as the economic safety of the country and the infastructure, factors that would have been put in danger by Hezbollah escalating something with Israel. Being poor dosnt make your war any more justified. It probably makes you more reckless and irrational though.
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It is classified as a terrorist organisation by the US and because of this it has less credibility as a defensive force as opposed to say, the Lebanese government's army would.
lol...Just wanted to make sure that:
you meant "terrorist" in its official state propaganda sense implying that whoever digresses from the pro-American interest in the middle east is a "terrorist".
I don't know what you are trying to get at or imply, but terrorism is a term meaning whoever uses violence as a political tool, so yes, Hezbollah are terrorists, so is the US, Israel, etc.
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If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics.
I have one thing to say to refute that bullshit: 1982... Hezbollah wasn't there, and Israel invaded...
You fail to grasp my point everytime, so have it your way then, lets just keep applauding Hezbollah everytime it sends a few rockets into Israel, thats a fantastic way to deal with problems and promote peace.
I got your point, but you don't have a clue about the politics behind this shit. It's not as simple as you play it out in your head.
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If Israel's terror is greater and if it's been directed for years against Lebanon, before Hezbollah even existed, and was the reason for the creation of Hezbollah, how can you present Hezbollah as an obstacle to a genuine settlement when in fact it was the only substantial force to counter Israel's destruction of Lebanon.So far you've expressed your contention that peace can exist only on u.s-israel terms because they possess greater power. Admitting u.s and Israel to be terrorist states, as you did, is simply acknowledging a fact and does not automatically grant you "Dove" status.As we have seen, this fact did not impede your support for u.s-israeli policies regarding Lebanon since you purport the main problem to be Hezbollah. Great power is hard to counter, it involves a risk, and you can rationally argue that such a risk is too great to undertake, but it is frivolous to absolve the primary culprits from their overwhelming share of guilt and with even more reason it is ridiculous to blame those who chose to defend their country from imminent destruction for the prolongation of the conflict.
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If Israel's terror is greater and if it's been directed for years against Lebanon, before Hezbollah even existed, and was the reason for the creation of Hezbollah, how can you present Hezbollah as an obstacle to a genuine settlement when in fact it was the only substantial force to counter Israel's destruction of Lebanon.So far you've expressed your contention that peace can exist only on u.s-israel terms because they possess greater power. Admitting u.s and Israel to be terrorist states, as you did, is simply acknowledging a fact and does not automatically grant you "Dove" status.As we have seen, this fact did not impede your support for u.s-israeli policies regarding Lebanon since you purport the main problem to be Hezbollah. Great power is hard to counter, it involves a risk, and you can rationally argue that such a risk is too great to undertake, but it is frivolous to absolve the primary culprits from their overwhelming share of guilt and with even more reason it is ridiculous to blame those who chose to defend their country from imminent destruction for the prolongation of the conflict.
I recommend you go back and re-read my posts because you are assuming waaaayy too much from what little i posted, I never cited any side as being to blame or peace only possible on any side's terms, I think you all miss Real American too much, you seem to wish me to be something that I am not. Its amazing that all im trying to do is play the devil's advocate for Israel and suddenly everybody has soo much to assume from what I posted, maybe its because I failed to say 'fuck Israel' to add a bit of balance. Otherwise, since when did I purport 'the main problem to be Hezbollah'? Rather Im sick of people regarding Israel as the main problem, instead of being critical of both sides, Israelis and Palestinians both get their children to write messages on rockets being sent to each other. There is an increasing trend and global order evolving, where states are increasingly binded by their economic ties. This is a very real 'new' order, this is why the US will never go to war with China, the reason why China will never allow Nrth Korea to attack Japan or South Korea, globalisation theorists call it global governance. My argument is that the Lebanese government, because it was looking out for alot of factors about Lebanon such as the economic safety of the country and the infastructure, factors that would have been put in danger by Hezbollah escalating something with Israel
it was taking a much more rational appraoch to the conflict with Israel, through refraining from skirmishes and setting the stage for peace by building it's economy and promoting an economic environment that would have promoted peace between Israel and Lebanon. Hezbollah may have been a necessity for Lebanon's southern security, but now I see greater benefit in having Lebanese government troops on the boarder with Israel. Thats my view on the issue, there are supporters of Hezbollah here in Australia who say it is a freedom fighter group and only exists to defend Lebanon against Israel, my main problem with the organisation is that, what if (and they did) the Lebanese government wants to refrain from escalating skirmishes with Israel and Hezbollah dosnt comply and instead conducts missions against Israel on it's own. Thats stupid. That disregards the Lebanese government's attempts at peace dosn't it?
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Ok, I'm gonna be brief:
There are no "skirmishes" between Israel and Lebanon aside from those Israel initiates.
Disregard of this hitorical fact absolves the primary culprits(Namely U.S and Israel) from guilt and turns Hezbollah's role into the main obstacle.
It is convenient to disregard history when you wanna portray a disfavorable picture of an official enemy, especially when you don't want to seem biased (I'm pretty much an expert at this kind of argument if you go back and read my older posts).
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Ok, I'm gonna be brief:
There are no "skirmishes" between Israel and Lebanon aside from those Israel initiates.
Disregard of this hitorical fact absolves the primary culprits(Namely U.S and Israel) from guilt and turns Hezbollah's role into the main obstacle.
It is convenient to disregard history when you wanna portray a disfavorable picture of an official enemy, especially when you don't want to seem biased (I'm pretty much an expert at this kind of argument if you go back and read my older posts).
History is used to justify all types of bullshit (the Holocaust=Israel, WWI=WWII, , etc). You can't let it dictate the future. If everytime, Hezbollah sends a rocket into an Israeli town, we cant say 'they are defending themselves' and 'they have historically been justified in defending themselves'.
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Well, I didn't say anything about history dictating the future or about the virtue of using it to justify immoral actions. I just wanted to show you how your disregard of a historical fact framed the discussion in terms of accountability. If Israel never assaulted Lebanon then Hezbollah is firing missiles cause they are a bunch of crazy Arabs without a reason which a sane person in their shoes would recognize as sufficiently valid. One would conclude from the context you set that Israel is defending itself while Hezbollah has no good reason to do so. As to the issue you raise now, namely exploitation of history for political purposes, I have to agree with you.
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Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians,
I wanna shake the hand of the leader of a group who got rid of 40 pieces of shit scumbags from this earth
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I see your point, this thread forced me to investigate more about Hezbollah. Lately I been fed up with the constant bad news from the region. 40 civilians dead is exactly that, regardless of what some heroic Hezbollah fighter did, its still 40 civilians dead. Both sides seem to just constantly feed off each other's fear, its like they are symbiotic, fear of each other is what constantly drives them and if their actions are justified to themselves then they are incapable of self criticism and anything is justified.
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Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians,
I wanna shake the hand of the leader of a group who got rid of 40 pieces of shit scumbags from this earth
if you dont have anything constructive to add, i suggest you shut up
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BROKE ASS NIGGAZ BEE THE MOST WORTHLESS EVER! and arabs too, they smell
this is exactly what i hate about such topics, the discussions are always interrupted by such primitive dumbass racist remarks posted by some attention whores, i fuckin hate it
j bananas is just bored... poor guy lives a shitty life...
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BROKE ASS NIGGAZ BEE THE MOST WORTHLESS EVER! and arabs too, they smell
this is exactly what i hate about such topics, the discussions are always interrupted by such primitive dumbass racist remarks posted by some attention whores, i fuckin hate it
j bananas is just bored... poor guy lives a shitty life...
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