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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 26, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
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Thought this was interesting.
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7042832
Any others you think should be on the list....??
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Yes.
Michael Jordan's last shot to win that 3rd title in the Bulls second threepeat.
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Yes.
Michael Jordan's last shot to win his 3rd title.
3rd?? You mean the pushoff against the Jazz?
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Yes.
Michael Jordan's last shot to win his 3rd title.
You are such a gimmick.
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Yes.
Michael Jordan's last shot to win his 3rd title.
3rd?? You mean the pushoff against the Jazz?
Yea, my bad...meant 3rd in the 2nd threepeat. Terrible moment for the game of basketball.
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Yes.
Michael Jordan's last shot to win his 3rd title.
You are such a gimmick.
What are you talking about, moron. The whole sports world was raving about how that was a defining moment for basketball and the way the sport adapted to refs...LMAO@these nutriding morons who simply can't get enough.
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lol @ the jordan one.
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lol @ the jordan one.
yeah i dunno about that one either. I mean, im not arguing that it was an offensive foul. But i dont think anyone sees that championship as tainted because of some suspicious behavior. Which was kind of the theme of the Top 11 in the article.
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Well the biggest one ever is about to happen soon.
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Well the biggest one ever is about to happen soon.
real shit
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
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lol @ the jordan one.
yeah i dunno about that one either. I mean, im not arguing that it was an offensive foul. But i dont think anyone sees that championship as tainted because of some suspicious behavior. Which was kind of the theme of the Top 11 in the article.
Jordan's whole career has been tainted by refs giving him the INFAMOUS "Jordan treatment"...
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BONDS RECORD HAS NO RIGHT TO BE TAINTED!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID HE EVER DO!!!! NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED!!!
Bonds = one of the 2 or 3 greatest players ever
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BONDS RECORD HAS NO RIGHT TO BE TAINTED!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID HE EVER DO!!!! NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED!!!
Bonds = one of the 2 or 3 greatest players ever
That really shouldn't be your argument. All you need to say is that Bonds and the rest of this era has been playing in the steroid era of baseball, regardless he's still the best of his era.
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You can't compare Jordan's missed call to those 11 tainted sports achievements. Those are all legit sports scandals, when people bring up Jordan automatically they say he was the best of all time. It's not the general consensus that the Bulls' Six championships, or even just one championship was part of a scandal.
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Lol @ there being a top 11. What happened to top 10s?
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
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Lol @ there being a top 11. What happened to top 10s?
It's a tainted list! ;)
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Lol @ there being a top 11. What happened to top 10s?
probably had to add one after the fact lol
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BONDS RECORD HAS NO RIGHT TO BE TAINTED!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID HE EVER DO!!!! NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED!!!
Bonds = one of the 2 or 3 greatest players ever
That really shouldn't be your argument. All you need to say is that Bonds and the rest of this era has been playing in the steroid era of baseball, regardless he's still the best of his era.
The only problem with that, is that it assumes that ALL players were on steroids during this era. Also, most people dont argue whether Bonds is a great player. They just question him breaking the record. If any player was to break the record during the "steroid era", and it was perceived by most that they took steroids, there would be a lot of negative opinions about the achievement.
Not to mention, he's a piece of shit...
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BONDS RECORD HAS NO RIGHT TO BE TAINTED!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID HE EVER DO!!!! NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED!!!
Bonds = one of the 2 or 3 greatest players ever
Spice 2k7 = one of the 2 or 3 greatest retards EVER!
he should've retired after 98
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
I try not to if i can. Sports Radio is ridiculous. Its completely based on ratings and saying something controversial. Its like depending on Comedy Central for your up to date world news lol
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
I try not to if i can. Sports Radio is ridiculous. Its completely based on ratings and saying something controversial. Its like depending on Comedy Central for your up to date world news lol
I base my opinions off of facts...But it's interesting to hear the input of professional analysts.
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
I try not to if i can. Sports Radio is ridiculous. Its completely based on ratings and saying something controversial. Its like depending on Comedy Central for your up to date world news lol
I base my opinions off of facts...But it's interesting to hear the input of professional analysts.
interesting yes, but useless. Sports Radio has some of the worst kind of "professional analysts". Theyre more like entertainers just pushing the envelope. I admit, i do listen to it from time to time. But I do notice how stupid it is lol. Plus, most of the time the Sports stations are geared toward the region that they are in. So you get all the bias nonsense from THAT region. Im in San Diego, and get to hear all the bullshit about how the Chargers are gonna win the Superbowl. When we all know, that will never happen lol
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
I try not to if i can. Sports Radio is ridiculous. Its completely based on ratings and saying something controversial. Its like depending on Comedy Central for your up to date world news lol
I base my opinions off of facts...But it's interesting to hear the input of professional analysts.
interesting yes, but useless. Sports Radio has some of the worst kind of "professional analysts". Theyre more like entertainers just pushing the envelope. I admit, i do listen to it from time to time. But I do notice how stupid it is lol. Plus, most of the time the Sports stations are geared toward the region that they are in. So you get all the bias nonsense from THAT region. Im in San Diego, and get to hear all the bullshit about how the Chargers are gonna win the Superbowl. When we all know, that will never happen lol
^^Useless? AGAIN, I listen for the facts...Despite the added commentary, a lot of FACTS are discussed on sports talk radio...PeACe
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BTW, if you EVER listened to KLAC, you would NOT think it was a Laker station (outside of Vic the Brick)...
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South Korea's wn against italy in the 02 world cup should be in there, italy got fucked over big time.
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South Korea's wn against italy in the 02 world cup should be in there, italy got fucked over big time.
Yeah, they should have had that instead of the Maradona thing, that wasn't really a scandal.
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lol @ the jordan one.
Are you kidding me? There was an OUTRAGE over that foul...It changed the way the game is reffed. Like former NBA Official Mike Mathis said a couple days back on KLAC, it was a DEFINING moment in the sport of basketball and the way a refs influence on a game evolved, and how we became tolerant. Learn some shit before you speak, Jake.
"Outrage"? Among who, Mormons? lol Its not too common to hear anyone say "yeah, i dunno about that last championship. If it wasnt for that pushoff i doubt the Bulls would have won." Besides, these were sports achievements that were "tainted" due to some suspicious behavior.
I hear that ALL THE TIME...Do you listen to sports radio? LOL.
I try not to if i can. Sports Radio is ridiculous. Its completely based on ratings and saying something controversial. Its like depending on Comedy Central for your up to date world news lol
I base my opinions off of facts...But it's interesting to hear the input of professional analysts.
interesting yes, but useless. Sports Radio has some of the worst kind of "professional analysts". Theyre more like entertainers just pushing the envelope. I admit, i do listen to it from time to time. But I do notice how stupid it is lol. Plus, most of the time the Sports stations are geared toward the region that they are in. So you get all the bias nonsense from THAT region. Im in San Diego, and get to hear all the bullshit about how the Chargers are gonna win the Superbowl. When we all know, that will never happen lol
^^Useless? AGAIN, I listen for the facts...Despite the added commentary, a lot of FACTS are discussed on sports talk radio...PeACe
The FACT is Jordan's shot was a 2 point shot that won the game in regulation. Next topic.
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^^Okay? And we're talking about tainted achievments here...This one is considered one of the biggest in the sport of basketball, a turning point for the game. And to be honest, Jordan's last shot just pretty much defined his whole career in the NBA, really. It was almost like a metaphor. That's the way he went out...It was great, but tainted (by refs), just like his whole career in the NBA...PeACe
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^^Okay? And we're talking about tainted achievments here...This one is considered one of the biggest in the sport of basketball, a turning point for the game. And to be honest, Jordan's last shot just pretty much defined his whole career in the NBA, really. It was almost like a metaphor. That's the way he went out...It was great, but tainted (by refs), just like his whole career in the NBA...PeACe
Byron Russell slipped.
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^^LMFAO...You're joking, right?
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^^LMFAO...You're joking, right?
Jordan tried his best to not let him fall but Russell was to far gone.
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Tom Brady's tuck was much bigger than Jordan's offensive foul. Doesn't matter though, because we are talking about actual cheating in sports. If there was a list of most famous missed called, Jordan and Brady's would be in there.
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^^LMFAO...You're joking, right?
Jordan tried his best to not let him fall but Russell was to far gone.
What are you talking about, dude...are you okay? I thought you were just pulling my leg at first...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDlae0rN2g
Russell was clearly pushed, it's insane to think otherwise...NBA Officials have reviewed this and said this themselves.
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
i agree for the most part...but even the stars who seem to not be media whores still get the calls...instead of jordan and russell,say it was Kobe and Doug Christie,i doubt the result would be different.
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
i agree for the most part...but even the stars who seem to not be media whores still get the calls...instead of jordan and russell,say it was Kobe and Doug Christie,i doubt the result would be different.
Kobe does not get superstar calls, watch a Laker game and listen to Stu Lantz when the refs start missing obvious calls on Kobe...I'd say it's about the same with Carmelo, only I think Kobe is even less respected than Melo...Wade and LeBron, especially, for some reason, have the utmost respect of NBA officials...
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
i agree for the most part...but even the stars who seem to not be media whores still get the calls...instead of jordan and russell,say it was Kobe and Doug Christie,i doubt the result would be different.
Christie got called for a blocking foul after kobe swung his elboys and nailed him in the nose.
And yes I was kidding about the Jordan shot. Ever heard of "swallow the whistle and let them play?" there you go.
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Great pitchers and great hitters get a lot of strikes and balls called their way. It's especially noticeable if it's like Greg Maddux vs Cole Hamels, that's how it's always been.
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Great pitchers and great hitters get a lot of strikes and balls called their way. It's especially noticeable if it's like Greg Maddux vs Cole Hamels, that's how it's always been.
Umpires don't take over games the way NBA officials do...
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Forcing pitchers to change their location of pitches is enough for me to think that the Umpires has taking over the game.
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Forcing pitchers to change their location of pitches is enough for me to think that the Umpires has taking over the game.
LOL, you just wanna rebut everything I say...This is known, no official in any league has as much power and is tolerated as much as the NBA official. Mike Mathis, who was head of the NBA officiating union for 11 years, has spoken out about this and spilled lots of detail...The umpire example is from him. I'll take his word over yours...
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Oh my fucking god. I've stated pure facts, end of fucking discussion.
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i'd say baseball umps have more power to take over games. they don't do instant replay for a bad pitch call. also umps are the only reffs who decide or judge every play of the game. it's up to the ump if it's a ball or a strike. safe or out. swing or non, foul or fair.
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NIK, shut the fuck up. You are a goddamned troll. People disagree all the time. Deal with it and quit being a bitch.
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I gotta side with NIK on this 1...that jordan push was a foul
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I gotta side with NIK on this 1...that jordan push was a foul
LMFAO@reading the post above yours, followed by yours...Then people wonder why they're nuthuggers.
i'd say baseball umps have more power to take over games.
ROFLMFAO. :-X
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I gotta side with NIK on this 1...that jordan push was a foul
LMFAO@reading the post above yours, followed by yours...Then people wonder why they're nuthuggers.
lmao irony at it's finest ;D
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
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^damn nigga you a tight poster, you a alias?
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
Boxing has them beat.
All there is, is this Donaghy thing. Its so overdramatic. So many people are just using this as an opportunity to bash all refs. Its so stupid. The officials in the NBA probably have a harder job then any of the other officials in major sports in the US. This one ref was obviously the exception. If anybody blames him for their losses, then they need to also blame him for their victories.
As for teams in the NBA, they have it good. Look at the Oakland Raiders. Im not saying theres a conspiracy or anything. But one franchise, leads the league every single year in penalties. Over the last 15 years theyve probably gone through 10 different coaches and who knows how many different players. And damn near every single year STILL lead the league in penalties. Id imagine at least 1 or 2 of those guys came in and said...."hey, we're not gonna committ as many penalties this year". How does that even make sense? They arent a "dirty" team these days and havent been for like 30 yrs. Al Davis has had his lawsuits against the league, and I dont think they particularly care for him. But like I said, im not crying foul....but as a Raider fan I would have far more right to then any NBA franchise would.
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^damn nigga you a tight poster, you a alias?
thanks homie, and maybe, maybe not ;)
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
Boxing has them beat.
All there is, is this Donaghy thing. Its so overdramatic. So many people are just using this as an opportunity to bash all refs. Its so stupid. The officials in the NBA probably have a harder job then any of the other officials in major sports in the US. This one ref was obviously the exception. If anybody blames him for their losses, then they need to also blame him for their victories.
As for teams in the NBA, they have it good. Look at the Oakland Raiders. Im not saying theres a conspiracy or anything. But one franchise, leads the league every single year in penalties. Over the last 15 years theyve probably gone through 10 different coaches and who knows how many different players. And damn near every single year STILL lead the league in penalties. Id imagine at least 1 or 2 of those guys came in and said...."hey, we're not gonna committ as many penalties this year". How does that even make sense? They arent a "dirty" team these days and havent been for like 30 yrs. Al Davis has had his lawsuits against the league, and I dont think they particularly care for him. But like I said, im not crying foul....but as a Raider fan I would have far more right to then any NBA franchise would.
The Raiders problem is Al Davis. "Just win baby" translates into no discipline into his players. What's Kiffen going to do if Jamarcus Russell doesn't show up on time for a meeting? Fine him? He'll go to Al and will tell him not to pay and "Just win baby."
Gotta love Al though.
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
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^damn nigga you a tight poster, you a alias?
Yup...One of the few people who've been able to hold a logical debate with me.
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the superstars will get the call or non-call 99% of the time though...its always been that way and always will be...did MJ push off? absolutely. Refs miss calls in every game,in every sport.favoritism no doubt, but its not a scandal.
Exactly. It's a flaw in the system and why NBA officiating has fallen apart, the fact that we've come to accept that...Also, hated superstars do not get the same treatment, no matter how good they are.
Something needs to be done.
It's not in every sport, basketball is the only sport where someone falling with the closest person being 2-3 feet can be called a foul AND have it be accepted with no consequences whatsoever for the official responsible...Refs can take over the game of basketball when a player makes them mad. For example, imagine in baseball, if the pitcher said something to the umpire he didn't like, and he started calling strikes as balls...It only works this way in basketball. The officiating system in the NBA is more tainted than ANY other sport I can think of, and I'm sure you agree...PeACe
Boxing has them beat.
All there is, is this Donaghy thing. Its so overdramatic. So many people are just using this as an opportunity to bash all refs. Its so stupid. The officials in the NBA probably have a harder job then any of the other officials in major sports in the US. This one ref was obviously the exception. If anybody blames him for their losses, then they need to also blame him for their victories.
As for teams in the NBA, they have it good. Look at the Oakland Raiders. Im not saying theres a conspiracy or anything. But one franchise, leads the league every single year in penalties. Over the last 15 years theyve probably gone through 10 different coaches and who knows how many different players. And damn near every single year STILL lead the league in penalties. Id imagine at least 1 or 2 of those guys came in and said...."hey, we're not gonna committ as many penalties this year". How does that even make sense? They arent a "dirty" team these days and havent been for like 30 yrs. Al Davis has had his lawsuits against the league, and I dont think they particularly care for him. But like I said, im not crying foul....but as a Raider fan I would have far more right to then any NBA franchise would.
LMAO@thinking Donaghy is the only one...He's the only one who spoke up, man. Come on, now, you KNOW this. And don't act like the officiating in the NBA has only now been questioned as of late, people have been speaking about how horrible the league has become with its shitty system for years now...Nowadays, NBA players are adapting to refs, and it's SUPPOSED to be the other way around. The problem is people like you who sit there and tolerate this, and comments implying your acceptance of the system like "don't whine about it"...NO, I don't think the bad calls even out, since now we have a good idea of why they're being made (to cover spreads/keep scores close or distant)...PeACe
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
I agree that this could be a "turning point". I dont know exactly what that turning point will be, or if it will even be a good one. But things will for sure change.
What I do believe is this. The league does need to hold its refs more accountable. I know public criticism of the refs by players and coaches is not good for the leagues integrity, but the league should also not make the refs SO off limits. But, at the same time. The league needs to do more for these guys. They are without a doubt the most underpaid, underappreciated members of the league. They are probably the most heavily scrutinized members of the league. They are never commended, and only villafied. Pretty much, you get what you pay for. The players in the league (like you said), get better and better over time. They get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker. All these things make the refs jobs now, that much more difficult then refs from before. Not to mention rule changes which are more business minded then sports minded. The players are not necessarily adapting to the refs, theyre adapting to the rules. Flopping now is at an all time high. But then again, I wonder why? Maybe because the rules are all designed to increase offense and decrease defense. Defensive players have almost no chance these days in a one on one matchup. Remember the old days, watching Scottie Pippen chest bumping Magic as he dribbled up the floor. A great offensive/defensive matchup. Now, Pippen would have fouled out after 6 trips up the floor.
Anyways, i feel what you saying about some of what the league is doing. I just dont think all the blame is on the refs. And i dont feel the refs or league has a personal vendetta against any individual or team in the league right now.
Except Ron Artest lol
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
I agree that this could be a "turning point". I dont know exactly what that turning point will be, or if it will even be a good one. But things will for sure change.
What I do believe is this. The league does need to hold its refs more accountable. I know public criticism of the refs by players and coaches is not good for the leagues integrity, but the league should also not make the refs SO off limits. But, at the same time. The league needs to do more for these guys. They are without a doubt the most underpaid, underappreciated members of the league. They are probably the most heavily scrutinized members of the league. They are never commended, and only villafied. Pretty much, you get what you pay for. The players in the league (like you said), get better and better over time. They get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker. All these things make the refs jobs now, that much more difficult then refs from before. Not to mention rule changes which are more business minded then sports minded. The players are not necessarily adapting to the refs, theyre adapting to the rules. Flopping now is at an all time high. But then again, I wonder why? Maybe because the rules are all designed to increase offense and decrease defense. Defensive players have almost no chance these days in a one on one matchup. Remember the old days, watching Scottie Pippen chest bumping Magic as he dribbled up the floor. A great offensive/defensive matchup. Now, Pippen would have fouled out after 6 trips up the floor.
Anyways, i feel what you saying about some of what the league is doing. I just dont think all the blame is on the refs. And i dont feel the refs or league has a personal vendetta against any individual or team in the league right now.
Except Ron Artest lol
real spit....obviously the nba will try and make it look like the officiating will be "overhauled". but in the end its all about money and changes may come but as long as it doesnt cost the league money. Scoring=$$$ and that will be considered above all else.
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
I agree that this could be a "turning point". I dont know exactly what that turning point will be, or if it will even be a good one. But things will for sure change.
What I do believe is this. The league does need to hold its refs more accountable. I know public criticism of the refs by players and coaches is not good for the leagues integrity, but the league should also not make the refs SO off limits. But, at the same time. The league needs to do more for these guys. They are without a doubt the most underpaid, underappreciated members of the league. They are probably the most heavily scrutinized members of the league. They are never commended, and only villafied. Pretty much, you get what you pay for. The players in the league (like you said), get better and better over time. They get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker. All these things make the refs jobs now, that much more difficult then refs from before. Not to mention rule changes which are more business minded then sports minded. The players are not necessarily adapting to the refs, theyre adapting to the rules. Flopping now is at an all time high. But then again, I wonder why? Maybe because the rules are all designed to increase offense and decrease defense. Defensive players have almost no chance these days in a one on one matchup. Remember the old days, watching Scottie Pippen chest bumping Magic as he dribbled up the floor. A great offensive/defensive matchup. Now, Pippen would have fouled out after 6 trips up the floor.
Anyways, i feel what you saying about some of what the league is doing. I just dont think all the blame is on the refs. And i dont feel the refs or league has a personal vendetta against any individual or team in the league right now.
Except Ron Artest lol
I agree for the most part, but Refs are not underpaid and underappreciated. In fact, Tim Donaghy's salary for the games he reffed in 2007 was revealed to be $270,000.00! And these refs get full of themselves, refs out there, like Steve Javie, have a tendencie to take over games when players frustrate them...These refs are not being held responsible! Do you know who the head supervisors of these officials are? Former refs who were fired after 1 or 2 bad years on the job! Shit is way out of hand, more than you know, homie...PeACe
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These refs are not being held responsible!
true...how joey crawford is still a ref is crazy...
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
I agree that this could be a "turning point". I dont know exactly what that turning point will be, or if it will even be a good one. But things will for sure change.
What I do believe is this. The league does need to hold its refs more accountable. I know public criticism of the refs by players and coaches is not good for the leagues integrity, but the league should also not make the refs SO off limits. But, at the same time. The league needs to do more for these guys. They are without a doubt the most underpaid, underappreciated members of the league. They are probably the most heavily scrutinized members of the league. They are never commended, and only villafied. Pretty much, you get what you pay for. The players in the league (like you said), get better and better over time. They get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker. All these things make the refs jobs now, that much more difficult then refs from before. Not to mention rule changes which are more business minded then sports minded. The players are not necessarily adapting to the refs, theyre adapting to the rules. Flopping now is at an all time high. But then again, I wonder why? Maybe because the rules are all designed to increase offense and decrease defense. Defensive players have almost no chance these days in a one on one matchup. Remember the old days, watching Scottie Pippen chest bumping Magic as he dribbled up the floor. A great offensive/defensive matchup. Now, Pippen would have fouled out after 6 trips up the floor.
Anyways, i feel what you saying about some of what the league is doing. I just dont think all the blame is on the refs. And i dont feel the refs or league has a personal vendetta against any individual or team in the league right now.
Except Ron Artest lol
I agree for the most part, but Refs are not underpaid and underappreciated. In fact, Tim Donaghy's salary for the games he reffed in 2007 was revealed to be $270,000.00! And these refs get full of themselves, refs out there, like Steve Javie, have a tendencie to take over games when players frustrate them...These refs are not being held responsible! Do you know who the head supervisors of these officials are? Former refs who were fired after 1 or 2 bad years on the job! Shit is way out of hand, more than you know, homie...PeACe
its all relative. $270,000 to the guys who you say yourself, have the biggest control over the outcome of the game. Considering that a bench player who plays less then 10 minutes the entire season makes more then that, it doesnt sound fair.
Anyways, we'll see what happens from here on out. Im sure some shit will be changed. Maybe David Stern will have more to worry about now then making sure the players dont represent hip hop.
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"A ref has more power than a coach or a player to determine the outcome of a basketball game"
-Mike Mathis, NBA ref 1976-2001. Head of NBA Officiating Union for 11 years.
of course they do. But any good coach would tell their players not to worry about the refs and play their game. the calls eventually even out. refs arent anymore perfect then players or coaches. why bitch about the shit you cant control. anybody who continuously uses the refs as their scapegoat for losing has absolutely ZERO confidence in themself or their team. its so easy to blame the refs. and EVERY once in a while you can make a legit case for a ref completely blowing one. but to go on and on about the refs is just bitchmade. Whats even funnier to me is how many people whine about refs, blame them for losses....but never give them credit for victories. When one bad call is made, theres victim and a beneficiary. The guy or team who benefits never says "wow, that ref really helped us win the game". EVERY single team/player in the league has been a victim of a bad call....and has benefited from a bad call. Kind of funny how they only whine instead of praise.
You're missing the point, bro. The state of reffing in the NBA is getting worse and worse, while the game and its athletes are progressing. This is no good for the integrity of the game, and something needs to be done soon...Tim Donaghy going under the radar and even being promoted as a top ref is a perfect example. I think this is the turning point for NBA refs...PeACe
I agree that this could be a "turning point". I dont know exactly what that turning point will be, or if it will even be a good one. But things will for sure change.
What I do believe is this. The league does need to hold its refs more accountable. I know public criticism of the refs by players and coaches is not good for the leagues integrity, but the league should also not make the refs SO off limits. But, at the same time. The league needs to do more for these guys. They are without a doubt the most underpaid, underappreciated members of the league. They are probably the most heavily scrutinized members of the league. They are never commended, and only villafied. Pretty much, you get what you pay for. The players in the league (like you said), get better and better over time. They get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker. All these things make the refs jobs now, that much more difficult then refs from before. Not to mention rule changes which are more business minded then sports minded. The players are not necessarily adapting to the refs, theyre adapting to the rules. Flopping now is at an all time high. But then again, I wonder why? Maybe because the rules are all designed to increase offense and decrease defense. Defensive players have almost no chance these days in a one on one matchup. Remember the old days, watching Scottie Pippen chest bumping Magic as he dribbled up the floor. A great offensive/defensive matchup. Now, Pippen would have fouled out after 6 trips up the floor.
Anyways, i feel what you saying about some of what the league is doing. I just dont think all the blame is on the refs. And i dont feel the refs or league has a personal vendetta against any individual or team in the league right now.
Except Ron Artest lol
I agree for the most part, but Refs are not underpaid and underappreciated. In fact, Tim Donaghy's salary for the games he reffed in 2007 was revealed to be $270,000.00! And these refs get full of themselves, refs out there, like Steve Javie, have a tendencie to take over games when players frustrate them...These refs are not being held responsible! Do you know who the head supervisors of these officials are? Former refs who were fired after 1 or 2 bad years on the job! Shit is way out of hand, more than you know, homie...PeACe
its all relative. $270,000 to the guys who you say yourself, have the biggest control over the outcome of the game. Considering that a bench player who plays less then 10 minutes the entire season makes more then that, it doesnt sound fair.
Anyways, we'll see what happens from here on out. Im sure some shit will be changed. Maybe David Stern will have more to worry about now then making sure the players dont represent hip hop.
LMAO, what are you talking about...Athletes go through much tougher training than refs, and require a greaterer skill/talent. $270,000 FORE ONE YEAR is a fucking GREAT income for a ref, man...
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why is that so funny NIK?
baseball umps decide virtually every play that happens in the MLB
-a strike to one ump is a ball to another
-safe to one ump is an out to another
-foul to one ump is fair to another ump (twix comercial)
take into account that these call make up 95% of all the plays in baseball, i'd say that umps have more power to take over a game, if they so chose to. remember there's no instant replay to correct a bad call.
nba refs determine fouls which don't occur, even in the most fouled games, on every play. nba refs have replay for questionable shots ( hell they have to review shots at the end of the half regardless how obvious). Nba refs , at most, can control probably 50% of the game with all the potential calls they make, the other half is up to the players
95%>>>50% at the highest potential. however baseball umps arn't as bias so the numbers are actually lower
however that isn't the argument i'm making here, baseball umps have more power to take over games...if they so chose to. end of discussion.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
I thought you didn't care for the opinions on radio shows.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
I thought you didn't care for the opinions on radio shows.
Just another example of the king of self-contradiction at his finest.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
I thought you didn't care for the opinions on radio shows.
Mike Mathis, NBA official of 26 years and head of the officiating union for 11 years...
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
I thought you didn't care for the opinions on radio shows.
Mike Mathis, NBA official of 26 years and head of the officiating union for 11 years...
He's also a criminal. But I should take his word on what his view of integrity is right?
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
lol @ NIK using the media AND ESPN when it's convieniant.
anyways dude
he's an NBA official of corse he's going to side with his profession. lol. like i said an MLB Ump is responsibile for 95% of the plays in baseball. At most NBA refs are responsible for 50%. NBA refs don't blow the whistle and decide wether a dunk counts as a basket or not unless it's offensive interference or shot clock violation.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
lol @ NIK using the media AND ESPN when it's convieniant.
anyways dude
he's an NBA official of corse he's going to side with his profession. lol. like i said an MLB Ump is responsibile for 95% of the plays in baseball. At most NBA refs are responsible for 50%. NBA refs don't blow the whistle and decide wether a dunk counts as a basket or not unless it's offensive interference or shot clock violation.
You still don't get it, do you? Umpires are not given the same amount of power as NBA refs...There isn't a "no tolerance" rule in baseball in favor of the refs. What is a foul to one ref, is not to another. We've come to the point where we tolerate ANY contact being called a foul, and sometimes even when there isn't any contact at all...When Mike Mathis mentioned that the NBA refs have the most power and ability to impact a game (and HE, not me, used an MLB umprie as an example for comparison), everyone, obviously, agreed, and it was UNDISPUTED. All of a sudden, BigJakeDoggyDOGG of WCC feels he knows a little more than the experts and professionals, despite the fact that your knowledge in basketball can use improvement. Not for one second can you convince me that your arguments are actually thought out...Just stop, you do this in every thread. Arguing for the sake of arguing :nawty:...PeACe
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1. Juventus going to Serie B and 12 months later we still don't know why.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
lol @ NIK using the media AND ESPN when it's convieniant.
anyways dude
he's an NBA official of corse he's going to side with his profession. lol. like i said an MLB Ump is responsibile for 95% of the plays in baseball. At most NBA refs are responsible for 50%. NBA refs don't blow the whistle and decide wether a dunk counts as a basket or not unless it's offensive interference or shot clock violation.
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Jake, sometimes you're just completely out of it, dude. The way you tend to take your invalid thoughts so seriously, it's a mockery man...Mike Mathis was just on KLAC a few days back speaking about how much more power an NBA official obviously has and how much less they are held accountable for their actions than in any other league, and EVERYONE on the station agreed, their is no question...Same thing with his interview on ESPN Radio. Sometime I think you make up these arguments just for the sake of arguing..
lol @ NIK using the media AND ESPN when it's convieniant.
anyways dude
he's an NBA official of corse he's going to side with his profession. lol. like i said an MLB Ump is responsibile for 95% of the plays in baseball. At most NBA refs are responsible for 50%. NBA refs don't blow the whistle and decide wether a dunk counts as a basket or not unless it's offensive interference or shot clock violation.
I'm sorry Jake but I'mma have to side with NIK on this one. The refs in basketball are in more control than the umpires in baseball. If an umpire keeps on fucking up, I'm pretty sure he would be tossed in a matter of weeks. But basketball, is way to close for someone to tell if it's a foul or not.
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Is that not a different point though?
Baseball umpires have much more opportunity in theory to control the outcome of a game, which is what Jake is saying.
NBA referees have less control over the outcome of a game, but without the necessary accountability in place, they are more likely to try and do so than maybe a Baseball umpire would.
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^exactly.
and umps make very questionable calls too. i mean you see baseball managers arguing more with umps than you do nba head coaches arguing with refs. mostly probably because of david stern's bias towards the officials but still even before that. you see that.
i don't know MLB umps have more justification for 'fixing' games. because from their viewpoint the margin of error is so big.
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Is that not a different point though?
Baseball umpires have much more opportunity in theory to control the outcome of a game, which is what Jake is saying.
NBA referees have less control over the outcome of a game, but without the necessary accountability in place, they are more likely to try and do so than maybe a Baseball umpire would.
That's not really true, due to the fact that umpires are way more likely to be held accountable for their actions...Something that isn't even close to being a foul can be called a foul in the NBA, with no outrage whatsoever from the NBA...and what happens if the players or coaches say something about it or bring up a concern? FINED!...Anyone who knows about the subject will understand what's going on in both leagues, and the amount of power that NBA refs are given is BLATANTLY unparallelled...PeACe
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but see fouls arn't called on every play, even the worst officiated games don't have that. an ump can callmore potentially bad plays. he can say that a strike was a ball and claim he had a bad view point.
it's not like they're throwing umps out of games. more times in the MLB than the NBA umps are throwing out managers/players for quesionable calls than in the NBA (even with rasheed wallace still playing) . sure players and coaches get fined for speaking out, but let's use brad penny and kobe bryant as an example
if a ref had it out for kobe , he could still light it up for 40 points
however if an ump had it out for brad penny he couldn't really do anything because an ump is judging all of his plays
you know what i'm saying kobe makes a basket, it's a basket (unless it's a charge). he's not judged on whether or not it went in the hole.
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^^The difference is, the ref who had it in for Brad Penny would be held responsible...
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elaborate? how so?
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NBA= refs have been under fire for sabotaging games for years now, with nothing being said or done, and now THIS happens, only because the guy who did it spoke up...
MLB= still waiting to hear some ref scandals from the MLB, Jakob. Lets hear about all the uproar people have had about how terrible MLB refs are? How many championship teams have been questioned based on reffing? Eh?
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again elaborate how an MLB Umpire would be held resposible.
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again elaborate how an MLB Umpire would be held resposible.
If an MLB umpire was clearly sabotaging a game, best believe there'd be major heat under him...
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heat from who? the league or the media. you need to elabortate. you cann't say that the media doesn't put heat under the NBA .
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heat from who? the league or the media. you need to elabortate. you cann't say that the media doesn't put heat under the NBA .
Exactly...The media puts heat under the NBA and the league does nothing...When was the last time there was a majority outrage about reffing in MLB? If an MLB umpire sabotaged a game, and it was obvious, the LEAGUE would do something. Not the case in basketball.
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This whole argument is pointless between you too. Neither of you guys are really wrong. theres just no way to prove that one official has more power then another.
Besides, who needs dirty refs when you have steroids?! lol
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This whole argument is pointless between you too. Neither of you guys are really wrong. theres just no way to prove that one official has more power then another.
Besides, who needs dirty refs when you have steroids?! lol
Steroids have been around for a long ass time. McGuire and Bonds weren't the first athletes taking them.
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This whole argument is pointless between you too. Neither of you guys are really wrong. theres just no way to prove that one official has more power then another.
Besides, who needs dirty refs when you have steroids?! lol
Steroids have been around for a long ass time. McGuire and Bonds weren't the first athletes taking them.
You dont say...
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This whole argument is pointless between you too. Neither of you guys are really wrong. theres just no way to prove that one official has more power then another.
Besides, who needs dirty refs when you have steroids?! lol
Steroids have been around for a long ass time. McGuire and Bonds weren't the first athletes taking them.
You dont say...
I'm just ranting. I hate the goddamn "ITS THE STEROID ERA IN BASEBALL"
It's always been the steroid era fuckers.
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This whole argument is pointless between you too. Neither of you guys are really wrong. theres just no way to prove that one official has more power then another.
Besides, who needs dirty refs when you have steroids?! lol
Steroids have been around for a long ass time. McGuire and Bonds weren't the first athletes taking them.
You dont say...
I'm just ranting. I hate the goddamn "ITS THE STEROID ERA IN BASEBALL"
It's always been the steroid era fuckers.
Not always....but i get you. Fuckit, i think they should let em take steroids. Especially in Football. Shit would be sick! lol You think the highlights on Sunday night are good now. Wait till the whole NFL is on that Bruce Banner shit....
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"Poor officiating is accepted," Mathis said, pointing to the final play of the 1998 Finals, when Michael Jordan drained a jump shot over Utah's Bryon Russell to nail down the Chicago Bulls' sixth championship. Mathis contends that Jordan should have been called for an offensive foul as he pushed off, but that the whistle was not blown because of Jordan's stature as a superstar.\
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070821_REFFING_DEGRADING.html