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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: duccc on August 01, 2007, 07:54:58 PM
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WHAT ARTIST DO U BLAME??,AND WHATS YOUR REASON FOR BLAMING THEM??..THEY NEED TO SEE THIS AND KNOW WHAT THEY DID WRONG!!!..
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You.
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Man there is enough blame to go around. I really do not blame a artist as much as some of these radio stations not supporting home, record labels trying to change the rappers and just lack of backing and promotion of west coast artists as being the downfall.
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The fans. No one wants to hear the same thing forever. Sheesh.
BNO OMFG THAT FAKE SNOOP DOGGF DI TI! G G G G UTNI!
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I AGREE RADIO IS AT FAULT ALSO..LUNA63..BITE ME U BALL BLOWER!
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the youth.... who for some reason like hearing people rap about grills and rims constantly
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DAMN THATS SOME REAL SHIT TOO J SCRILLA!!...THESE LIL ASSHOLES COMING UP ARE SO WIERD NOW!..THEY ARE NOT WEST COAST AT ALL..LOLTHEY WANNA BE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE..LOL
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who gives a fuck? quit actin like a hoe
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THE ONLY HOE IS YOUR MOTHER WHEN SHE SLEPT WIT YOUR DAD FOR SOME MONEY! AND THE CONDOM BROKE!!..AND U WERE MADE..
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quit actin like a hoe
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^ Too bad the homie ain't West though. :-\
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You cant blame anyone but the artist when his or her record doesn't sell. If your shit doesn't sell obviously you didn't make music that people wanna buy or you didn't put yourself in position to sell.
To sell nowadys you have to make really catchy singles and shit that can play on the radio. If you dont make those records you cant blame someone else. And yeah I know 90% of the shit on the radio sucks, but if you wanna sell you gotta connect with a fanbase in some form or another, and if you don't do that you can't blame others. At some point all these artists are gonna have to start taking responsibilty for their careers and stop blaming others.
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You cant blame anyone but the artist when his or her record doesn't sell. If your shit doesn't sell obviously you didn't make music that people wanna buy or you didn't put yourself in position to sell.
To sell nowadys you have to make really catchy singles and shit that can play on the radio. If you dont make those records you cant blame someone else. And yeah I know 90% of the shit on the radio sucks, but if you wanna sell you gotta connect with a fanbase in some form or another, and if you don't do that you can't blame others. At some point all these artists are gonna have to start taking responsibilty for their careers and stop blaming others.
I feel ya pimp. to a certain degree, These rappers gotta step they game up, but it's plenty of cats with strong joints out on the west coast, but they will never be heard because you got these fag ass dee jays on the radio that either wanna produce, or rap.Im in the business and get my money without the help of radio, or these fickle ass fans that wanna keep a sound alive that died 10 years ago. These dudes need to get they business together and stop depending on the radio stations out here to break they shit.
Its a couple hundred radio stations around the country that I guarantee will support a LA rapper before any of these LA stations.
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And one more point bruh, there have been plenty of albums that were quality but did not sell. That was a pretty extreme statement. The shittiest record can sell with marketing and promotion. Remember this....people dont buy music, they buy hype!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2Pac. He made people hate us but they were scared of him. Then when he died we didn't have anyone to fill those huge shoes. Well I guess Dre or Snoop could have, just not like Pac.
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I wouldn't say you could really blame anyone but I think the deaths of Eazy-E & 2 Pac played a major roll in it. . .
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sean combs, jay-z, jermaine dupri and lil jon.
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RADIO..AND WEST COAST DJZ..ALL THEY DO IS PLAY ALL THE WEST COAST OLD SHIT..AND THE WEST COAST OLD ARTIST DONT PUT NEW NIGGAZ ON..HOW DO U EXPECT PEOPLE TO LIKE SOMETHING IF U DONT PLAY IT U CANT PLAY A RECORD HERE AND THERE AND SAY PEOPLE DONT FEEL IT..BCUZ ALOT OF SHIT THAT GET PLAYED IS TRASH..AND ITS NOT WEST COAST
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Long Beach i see you !
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the stupid fans, who cant make their own opinion and are being brain washed by the media
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idiots like you
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WHAT ARTIST DO U BLAME??,AND WHATS YOUR REASON FOR BLAMING THEM??..THEY NEED TO SEE THIS AND KNOW WHAT THEY DID WRONG!!!..
I don't really blame any one artist per se...I think there were a few things (this is long, but bear w/ me):
(a). In 1995, politicians like C. Delores Tucker, Bob Dole and their ilk started their whole "gangsta rap is evil, it should be banned" schtick, and some major labels got scared and started putting pressure on artists to "clean up" their stuff (the fact that Coolio's 1995 GANGSTA'S PARADISE was mostly poppy interpolations of old R&B songs, whereas his previous CD, 1994's IT TAKES A THIEF, was more street overall, is one example of this).
(b) New York has always had this attitude that anything not from the East Coast sucks, and so their journalists, and a few artists here and there (Jeru, Tribe Called Quest) jumped on the whole anti-West game as well, acting like NY acts were "superior," etc., and started spreading the whole "gangsta rap is 'dead'" phony baloney, even though it was still selling well in 1996. But like an earlier poster said, a certain % of buyers don't buy music, they buy hype. And many folks believed this particular hype (for example, as I recall, nearly every damn review for The Fugees SCORE CD praised it as a "wonderful, 'healthy', 'positive' alternative to all of that 'horrible' gangsta rap out there," instead of just focusing on whether it was good or bad music. OK, The Fugees weren't from NYC, but you know what I mean).
(c) After Tupac and Biggie died, the major labels in general de-emphasized promoting any rap w/ lyrical content (gangsta, conscious, whatever) and over-emphasized promoting the dance shit and radio crap (Pete Rock talked about this in an interview--he indicated that in 1997, a lot of the rawer indie labels that had been distributed by majors were quickly dropped after Tupac and Biggie died). And when Puffy just happened to have success with his more dance-friendly stuff in 1997, that, in a way, gave the major labels an "excuse" to stop promoting lyrical substance of any kind. And we all know how majors are: once something hits big on one label, regardless of quality, the other major labels play follow-the-leader and copy whatever that "new" big thing is. And that's basically the way things have been since--if you're not a disco duck rapping about being up in the club or appealing to suburbanite soccer moms, you're out.
So, to me, West Coast rap (in its' rawer form) never really "died"...I think it was, in a way, just pushed out of the spotlight in favor of more dance-friendly stuff, until it was sort of forgotten (Dre, Snoop, and The Game notwitstanding). The same thing happened in the early 1990s, when heavy metal was pushed out of the mainstream spotlight by the major labels (and MTV) in favor of grunge. Metal, too, was never really allowed to die a "natural death" commercially--it was just sort of hidden from view after about 1992, and now you have to go to the underground to keep up w/ it. And the way it works w/ a certain % of music buyers is that they can't, and won't, buy something if they don't know it's out there, and that's where promotion comes in. If the record company doesn't promote your CD, no matter how good or bad it is, it just won't sell. Simple as that. Just my view, though. PEACE!
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Russell Simmons
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Russell Simmons
why`?
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the stupid fans, who cant make their own opinion and are being brain washed by the media
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Put a good deal of blame on Suge & Pac. Deathrow was the main representer of the west when the hip-hop scene started changing, and they could have carried the west and continue to build the dynasty, but rather they were too gangsta fo they own good. Pac got himself killed, and Suge's bully tactics and pimping his artists lead to everybody leaving, so that force was gone. The EAST top dogs continued to prosper, Bad Boy ran 97-98, Jay-Z became a star, Busta Rhymes had the radio on smash. What happened to the WEST top dogs who all happened to be one unit that coulda counterpunched?
Pac=dead
Dre=left Deathrow to make the weak Aftermath debut, went to work with EAST artists Nas,AZ, Foxy, MIDWEST Eminem, EAST 50 Cent
Snoop= Dre-less Doggfather album, then a couple albums on SOUTH label No Limit
Dogg Pound=beef with each other,beef with DR, lackluster solos
Rage=not her fault, but album just came too late, and not sexy enough to compete with Lil kim & Foxy
with the big dog out, all the new talent had to make their own name by themselves. And they just didnt have enough to carry the west. Xzibit made some noise, but now he's more known for Pimp My Ride than music. Seems Game is the only nigga from West to enter the game after 96 to really be big now. LOL that's gotta be depressing for ya'll
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The West Coast is too Big to blame One Person but.......
If you got to blame somebody look at it's most active figures and Most anticipated albums.
- DR. DRE- for his inactiveness during a most critical time, for putting out that weak ass AFTERMATH CD, and trying to switch his style up.
SNOOP- I cant' help but say that In 96 through 99, when eyez were still half on the West, The Homie Big Snoop Dogg had a HUGE stable of Talent under him i.e TRAY DEEE, BAD AZZ, MR. MALIK, THE L.B.C CREW, LIL ' C STYLE, O.G. THREAT, CROOKED I, NATE DOGG And the list goes on.....
- I think you could blame Snoop for not making enough room for these cats considering the amount of pull he has, but actually he did put a lot of effort into the EASTSIDAZ, and their first CD got a lot of attention.
- but I guess you could blame record labels like Death Row and others for not providing a home or proper promotion for this talent
-or you could just blame the artists for being young n' dumb, possibly lazy or just not keeping their dumb asses out of jail long enough to stay in the studio.
ICE CUBE- you could deffinately say that WAR N' PEACE was weak, and ICE CUBE also had a gang of homies underneath him that were dope as fuck, but weren't motivated enough i.e KAUSION, K-DEE, LYNCH MOB etc. though MACK 10 did his best to use the game he got and put out records.
ANd the ALbums that probably pissed off fans the most:
WESTSIDE CONNECTION-talk about a sophmore FLOP.
213- I know some of y'all like this CD, but lets be honest, it aint even close to what it should have been.
You could blame Tupac and Eazy E for dying.???
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ANd the ALbums that probably pissed off fans the most:
WESTSIDE CONNECTION-talk about a sophmore FLOP.
213- I know some of y'all like this CD, but lets be honest, it aint even close to what it should have been.
Well, first off TT dropped at the end of 2003, the West Coast scene got weak way before then. Second, I dont think TT was a flop at all...its just that people were all delusional into thinking we'd see Bow Down 2, they were thinkin that album was gonna singlehandedly bring the west back and that was completely unrealistic. But it you listen to TT today its WAAAAAAY better than 99% of what the West Coast is droppin.
And as far as the financial success of the album...it barely missed plat even though Cube and Mack had their beef right after the album dropped, which meant the tour was cancelled and they werent able to drop singles besides Gangsta Nations. It would've definetely gone Plat+ if they were able to do the proper promoting and selling of the album in early '04.
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Snoop Dogg is to blame even though he's doin his part know to put is back on place everything that is westcoast goes by snoop some how and its his fault for collaborating with a buncha people that he should of never been workin with like lil jon bow wow dupri pharell justin timberlake etc and then he wants everything to be right where it needs to be from know on everything needs to be westcoast shit you need a producer dont go get pharell go get dre or fredwreck or meech shit you need a hook singer dont go get akon go get nate or kokane or knoc or butch you know and that needs to be for the whole westcoast
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Seems Game is the only nigga from West to enter the game after 96 to really be big now. LOL that's gotta be depressing for ya'll
Depressing cuz Game is the only one or because its Game? just asking hehe no hate ;)
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its not really depressing considering that its mostly due to blackballing politics...
its like mack said, "the only way to beat us is to cheat us".
its kind of like the nba changing the rules to make it easier to stop Shaq...
its all good though... we are still pressing on
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Seems Game is the only nigga from West to enter the game after 96 to really be big now. LOL that's gotta be depressing for ya'll
Depressing cuz Game is the only one or because its Game? just asking hehe no hate ;)
Game is actually a dope rapper who has improved greatly as an mc since dropping documentary...but he's becoming a running joke with his his gunot campaign, with his constant love/hate thing with Dre in his songs...so even west caost fans are tired of him. He can still turn it around though..but his bipolar ass needs to wake up and realize what he's becoming a running joke
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I think people are getting exposure and falling off mixed up. A artist can work with whoever. Nate Dogg has worked with east coast artist and others from other regions. My definition of falling off is musically and rappin wise you don't bring it like you used to. I don't find a problem with the music or the rhymes, every coast has rappers that have fallen off. We need more unity and support from these labels and west coast radio stations also. The talent is there the exposure is not.
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Seems Game is the only nigga from West to enter the game after 96 to really be big now. LOL that's gotta be depressing for ya'll
Depressing cuz Game is the only one or because its Game? just asking hehe no hate ;)
LOL depressing because he the only one. I like Game
And not saying it aint other nice niggas out there, but they aint gettin no shine, we aint hearing them. And niggas like Kurupt actually did fall off skillwise, and Ras Kass is just a joke now
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WHAT ARTIST DO U BLAME??,AND WHATS YOUR REASON FOR BLAMING THEM??..THEY NEED TO SEE THIS AND KNOW WHAT THEY DID WRONG!!!..
I don't really blame any one artist per se...I think there were a few things (this is long, but bear w/ me):
(a). In 1995, politicians like C. Delores Tucker, Bob Dole and their ilk started their whole "gangsta rap is evil, it should be banned" schtick, and some major labels got scared and started putting pressure on artists to "clean up" their stuff (the fact that Coolio's 1995 GANGSTA'S PARADISE was mostly poppy interpolations of old R&B songs, whereas his previous CD, 1994's IT TAKES A THIEF, was more street overall, is one example of this).
i completely agree with A, how do we stop young kids from killing each other cutt off the influential music that makes westcoast rappers into idols from actions arrogant or smart.
thats what i always thought too the gov. pressured major record labels to stop supportin gangsta rap (which is westcoast rap)
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The consumer is to blame
The goal of most of these artists is to sell records and make money. They are going to make the record based on what is in demand. I'm sure snoop could make a record that has a style much closer to doggystle, but it probably won't sell as well as a different sounding record.
The radio's are not going to play it if people don't request it, the radio's want to have as many listeners as possible that way they can charge more money for advertising.
The big stores (best buy, circuit city, walmart, target) are not going to carry someone no name rapper that has no promotion behind him. In order to get the promotion, you gotta have music that is trendy, that will meet the consumers demands.
The bottom line is, the fans who buy this crappy ass music are the biggest to blame for the death of rap music. A lot of you guys buy shit just due to the name of the artist, regardless of how the record sounds. How many times do you see on here, an ad or tracklist of an album and people quickly say "I'm copping that shit for sure!" wi/o even hearing anything from the record, before any song has even leaked. This happens mostly w/ DPG related music.
I stopped buying music in 2003. I used to be at the record store every tuesday, and was always buying shit. I bought every album of snoop's up until PTCTBTB...I refuse to support crappy music, and I refuse to be part of the biggest fault of the death of rap music. I'm a huge bay area rap fan...but that hyphy movement was mutha fuckin garbage. I'm a huge spice 1 and mc eiht fan, but they keep dropping god awful horrible albums. Don't even get me started on rappers like 50 cent and dipshit. I have always been a huge DJ quik fan, but dude sold out big time...fuck supporting a sell out. I'm a huge Pac fan, but ain't no way I'm buying this remixed garbage bullshit. Yet how many of you buy these albums just to complete your collection because you have to have every album of that artist?
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KILL THE DJ!!!!!
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The consumer is to blame
The goal of most of these artists is to sell records and make money. They are going to make the record based on what is in demand. I'm sure snoop could make a record that has a style much closer to doggystle, but it probably won't sell as well as a different sounding record.
The radio's are not going to play it if people don't request it, the radio's want to have as many listeners as possible that way they can charge more money for advertising.
The big stores (best buy, circuit city, walmart, target) are not going to carry someone no name rapper that has no promotion behind him. In order to get the promotion, you gotta have music that is trendy, that will meet the consumers demands.
The bottom line is, the fans who buy this crappy ass music are the biggest to blame for the death of rap music. A lot of you guys buy shit just due to the name of the artist, regardless of how the record sounds. How many times do you see on here, an ad or tracklist of an album and people quickly say "I'm copping that shit for sure!" wi/o even hearing anything from the record, before any song has even leaked. This happens mostly w/ DPG related music.
I stopped buying music in 2003. I used to be at the record store every tuesday, and was always buying shit. I bought every album of snoop's up until PTCTBTB...I refuse to support crappy music, and I refuse to be part of the biggest fault of the death of rap music. I'm a huge bay area rap fan...but that hyphy movement was mutha fuckin garbage. I'm a huge spice 1 and mc eiht fan, but they keep dropping god awful horrible albums. Don't even get me started on rappers like 50 cent and dipshit. I have always been a huge DJ quik fan, but dude sold out big time...fuck supporting a sell out. I'm a huge Pac fan, but ain't no way I'm buying this remixed garbage bullshit. Yet how many of you buy these albums just to complete your collection because you have to have every album of that artist?
real muffafuccin talk!
str8 up!
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Stupid music like A Bay Bay, and all that type of crap. But not all of its that, its also cause people like Celly Cell, Spice 1, Too Short, n all those type of guys all are falling off, so people expect alot from them still, but they aint bringing no more heat to the table, so all this sorta stuff gets mixed in with the A Bay Bay, so there for the west coast is falling off. BUT now adays to many cats are relieing on the OG's of the west to bring it back and arent looking at the new dudes who will be carrying the west soon, we need to focus more on the new west and less on cats like snoop, dre and them cats. Dont get me wrong we should still look forward to there shit, they havnt fallen off completely, but we need to get our act together, and put out some real music now!!!
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Well partly cause a lot of rappers are saying the same thing since The Chronic. If people wanted music on lowriders, blunts, sex, gangs, parties etc then they gonna cop Doggystyle or The Chronic or 2001. Maybe if west coast artists switch up their style they may get a bit of love. Plus I think we could do with some more really dope west coast producers. By having someone like Just Blaze, he gets an artist like Saigon and everyone wants to listen cause they love the beats.
What is odd is the fact that one hit wonders from the west arent appearing. The east has people like Mims etc but i dont see the West ever having one hit wonders anymore. I remember there were a lot during the g funk era but since then there hasnt been many.
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Well partly cause a lot of rappers are saying the same thing since The Chronic. If people wanted music on lowriders, blunts, sex, gangs, parties etc then they gonna cop Doggystyle or The Chronic or 2001. Maybe if west coast artists switch up their style they may get a bit of love. Plus I think we could do with some more really dope west coast producers. By having someone like Just Blaze, he gets an artist like Saigon and everyone wants to listen cause they love the beats.
What is odd is the fact that one hit wonders from the west arent appearing. The east has people like Mims etc but i dont see the West ever having one hit wonders anymore. I remember there were a lot during the g funk era but since then there hasnt been many.
Very true man. But what else is there to talk about other then Sex, drugs, gangs, money and bitches lol? Thats kinda what the west is all about, i personally would rather listen to some other real shit, but what else is there to really talk about lol!!!
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Well partly cause a lot of rappers are saying the same thing since The Chronic. If people wanted music on lowriders, blunts, sex, gangs, parties etc then they gonna cop Doggystyle or The Chronic or 2001. Maybe if west coast artists switch up their style they may get a bit of love. Plus I think we could do with some more really dope west coast producers. By having someone like Just Blaze, he gets an artist like Saigon and everyone wants to listen cause they love the beats.
What is odd is the fact that one hit wonders from the west arent appearing. The east has people like Mims etc but i dont see the West ever having one hit wonders anymore. I remember there were a lot during the g funk era but since then there hasnt been many.
Very true man. But what else is there to talk about other then Sex, drugs, gangs, money and bitches lol? Thats kinda what the west is all about, i personally would rather listen to some other real shit, but what else is there to really talk about lol!!!
I know, cause the west coast rappers lifestyles is sex, drugs, gangs, money; so either they wait until people choose to go back to these topics or change and see if people will rock that. Anway heres a link to a west coast rapper thats really dope: http://riddlah51.imeem.com/playlist/Aj8FmHkh/
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Well partly cause a lot of rappers are saying the same thing since The Chronic. If people wanted music on lowriders, blunts, sex, gangs, parties etc then they gonna cop Doggystyle or The Chronic or 2001. Maybe if west coast artists switch up their style they may get a bit of love. Plus I think we could do with some more really dope west coast producers. By having someone like Just Blaze, he gets an artist like Saigon and everyone wants to listen cause they love the beats.
What is odd is the fact that one hit wonders from the west arent appearing. The east has people like Mims etc but i dont see the West ever having one hit wonders anymore. I remember there were a lot during the g funk era but since then there hasnt been many.
Very true man. But what else is there to talk about other then Sex, drugs, gangs, money and bitches lol? Thats kinda what the west is all about, i personally would rather listen to some other real shit, but what else is there to really talk about lol!!!
I know, cause the west coast rappers lifestyles is sex, drugs, gangs, money; so either they wait until people choose to go back to these topics or change and see if people will rock that. Anway heres a link to a west coast rapper thats really dope: http://riddlah51.imeem.com/playlist/Aj8FmHkh/
Ya but i need to be a member of this site haha, fuck it lol, do he got a myspace?
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its just the nature of the industry, different types of music come and go, depends on generations etc.......
aint no one artist is to blame
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blame suge knight and his fuckin business practices.
his talent wastage is another reason. :loopaper:
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WE AINT FELL OFF .......JUS FOLKS BE SCARED OF ALL THE GANGBANGIN.. GANGS KILLED PAC...AND BIGGIE.
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the fact that the majority of the rap fan base are kids from the suburbs, and the rise in female fans.
Right now, its ok to be gangsta...but not too gangsta, not a real gangsta, just gangsta enough to fool most of the fans out there. And the females like to hear that booty-shake bullshit. I can respect that for some artists. Shit, make the music the fans want to hear. Just dont be perpetratin on the record like youre a fuckin gangsta is all. People dont get it. A big percentage of these rappers on the West, are gangstas. They dont just make gangsta rap, theyre gangstas that rap. The rest of the country took that shit we started as a fad. They thought it was cool to be gangsta. Cool to be hard. So their rappers decided to play the role of gangstas and thugs also. Then when that fad went away, and the rest of the country didnt see it as "cool" anymore, where does that leave the rappers who started it? They werent bein "gangsta" cus it was a fad...they were doin it because it was who they were.
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the fact that dope artists like Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Jay Felony and many more cant drop albums or dont drop em often enuff.
i mean the west has its commercialized rappers reppin for them which aint bad, but noone can spit like crooked, Sly, and others but theyre not in the light but who is?
snoop
soopafly
kurupt
daz
mitchy slick
e-40
mistah fab
mac dre
and others..
but cats get tired of the same shit by them
but I can almost gurantee you cats wont get tired of traccs by say crooked why cuz he cant be fucked wit on any level period
kurupt and others cant be fucked and beat on the mic. when you can be beat your pretty much useless
now Im not sayin kurupt, snoop, mitch, xzibit arent good rappers but look at what theyre doin? (its actually what they not doin, cuz some of the OG's arent doin shit)
take xzibit for example:
homie released a classic album bacc in what 2000 followed by man vs machine which was dope as fuck but since then, what has he done?
t.v., and other shit.
but yet he says he does this for his fans???
(how so?)
take ras kass?
aite he was in a situation and needed help, but noone was there
but all we get is snoop, game all day?
thats why I believe in O Cruz, Ya Boy, Bishop Lamont. they spit the truth, got heat and dont sell out unlike others.
and cats are droppin mixtapes callin em albums
fuck outta wit that shit
a street album is what bishop does period!
dropp a tracc, freestyle every week, fuck is that gon do?
look at lil wayne, call him gay, call him fake, but he drops heat weekly, albums, tapes etc...
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And one more point bruh, there have been plenty of albums that were quality but did not sell. That was a pretty extreme statement. The shittiest record can sell with marketing and promotion. Remember this....people dont buy music, they buy hype!!!!!!!!!!!!
networth my equal,this post and the one before it was nothing but the truth,cats take heed yell
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honestly after talking to alot of big name ppl in the industry once la killed biggie new york has been pissed and all the labels main offices are in ny.so you can imagine what the anr and label rep did when a westcoast artist name came up.were slowly gaining respect back as being decent ppl and not just gangsta"s and killers.ppl really be scared of la and take it out on the coast........
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BEEF amongst west coast artist, radio and the fans!
NOW CHUUUUUUCH!
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I don't believe anyone is solely responsible for the west falling off. The whole hip hop region on the map thing is kind of like a fad, starting with the east coast, then west, mid-west and now south. I guess we're just in the rotation, although I can't say that talent matters @ this point, due to the overwhelming unimaginative, repetitive songs receiving air play today. With songs like "Ay Bay Bay" and "Lip Gloss" it makes one stop and wonder why the media is inflicting such un-challenging and simple music to our ears, almost as if they want to keep us programmed, without any exercise for our brain's to configure.
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your momma
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Well Westcoast music reached it's Peak....It's now dwindling down..
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I blame the outlets for playin music thats directed to lil kids. Cuz u know that all these 106 & park teeny bopers only like rappers wit swag (Wayne), the ones they think r "cute" or whateva and a rapper wit hype, cuz they always on that bandwagon shit. So these lil teeny bopers dont listen to gangsta shit, they listen to r&b-rap or club type raps.
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I blame the outlets for playin music thats directed to lil kids. Cuz u know that all these 106 & park teeny bopers only like rappers wit swag (Wayne), the ones they think r "cute" or whateva and a rapper wit hype, cuz they always on that bandwagon shit. So these lil teeny bopers dont listen to gangsta shit, they listen to r&b-rap or club type raps.
Exactly^^^
Just as long as their flks who demand these club kinda songs, real gangtsa Music will only be played by a handful of outlets...
If it continues, then artist of the Gangsta Music will have to either make their tracks more appealing to the teeny-boppers-cuz lets be honest, they have to eat,they have to make so kind of living..
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It's a combination of artists, record labels and the market. Artists need to make quality music and get their deals with record labels. 95% of the 'new' rappers from the west coast is not marketable, so they won't ever drop on a major and if they do, they flop. You don't have to be Jimmy Iovine to see if someone's marketable or not. Someone like J-Kwon has less rap talent than me, but he is marketable! Bishop Lamont is now signed to a major, but if he even drops (and I don't see that happening) his sales will be low because he will not appeal to the mainstream.
As far as the music goes... these new rappers need to step their game up or just call it a wrap. The last month or so I regularly bumped my 2Unlimited albums. He may have done music of a different genre than hip hop, but Ray Slijngaard shits on these so called talented rappers from the west coast. He has a much much much better flow.
http://www.youtube.com/v/896LYnr1qOU
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It's a combination of artists, record labels and the market. Artists need to make quality music and get their deals with record labels. 95% of the 'new' rappers from the west coast is not marketable, so they won't ever drop on a major and if they do, they flop. You don't have to be Jimmy Iovine to see if someone's marketable or not. Someone like J-Kwon has less rap talent than me, but he is marketable! Bishop Lamont is now signed to a major, but if he even drops (and I don't see that happening) his sales will be low because he will not appeal to the mainstream.
As far as the music goes... these new rappers need to step their game up or just call it a wrap. The last month or so I regularly bump my 2Unlimited albums. He may have done music of a different genre than hip hop, but Ray Slijngaard shits on these so called talented rappers from the west coast. He has a much much much better flow.
http://www.youtube.com/v/gpZSKn0yWBY
Being Marketable is the selling Point These Days!
if mainstream don't like you,then it's not gon work in your favor..
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It's a combination of artists, record labels and the market. Artists need to make quality music and get their deals with record labels. 95% of the 'new' rappers from the west coast is not marketable, so they won't ever drop on a major and if they do, they flop. You don't have to be Jimmy Iovine to see if someone's marketable or not. Someone like J-Kwon has less rap talent than me, but he is marketable! Bishop Lamont is now signed to a major, but if he even drops (and I don't see that happening) his sales will be low because he will not appeal to the mainstream.
As far as the music goes... these new rappers need to step their game up or just call it a wrap. The last month or so I regularly bumped my 2Unlimited albums. He may have done music of a different genre than hip hop, but Ray Slijngaard shits on these so called talented rappers from the west coast. He has a much much much better flow.
http://www.youtube.com/v/896LYnr1qOU
yeah Ray has flow
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People have just Outgrown "Gangsta Rap" (IMO)
I Speak for me personaly having grown up thru the entire evolution of Rap from The "SSH, GMF & The F-5" Ect... (Start of this..)
Until Now, The decline has been showing since the start.
and it's not because of lack of artists or any certain group of Rapper's, it's because the fan base just simply outgrows the movement.
Honestly having been thru the REAL era of Gangsta Rap, I Just don't feel like hearing any new rapper spit the exact same shit I heard before from a Rapper who did it already and spit it 100X better than the new Cat.
If I wanna hear Some Gangsta Shit I'll Break out my Lp's & cassete Tapes, And My later Half of the collection as Cd's and bump those..
Honestly I Feel That part of Hip-hop should just be laid to rest. Unless it's them spitting! (The OG's)
It's real hard for me to get Hyped about any New stuff be it East/West, again it's not because of Lack of Music, but quality. (IMO)
There is just Nothing out there that makes me wanna spend any money on. I'd rather just Bump my Archive instead.
Sometimes not even the Og's get me hyped anymore, Like I'm like whatever when it comes to this new Snoop album..
And it has never been like that before...
HHW & Dubcc/DubCnn one of the only reasons I even Check for Hip-Hop anymore. & maybe because it's a personal thing with Crook
cause dude's been owing us an album for a while now.. (Since Virgin crook danm!!!, lol)
IMO, The Real reason Hip Hop is falling off, Is because those WHo made it what it was are all grown up now.
(Old school Hip-Hop heads don't like change, We fucken hate it, Well I do)
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the youth.... who for some reason like hearing people rap about grills and rims constantly
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West Coast Rap is on life support cuz the West Coast fans are unable to let go. They fantasize about spending $30 on an album that's 10 years old and that they probably will never get, instead of supporting maybe a Glasses Malone or a Jay Rock (since so many West Coast fans DEMAND "Gangsta" shit). They could look for some Terrace Martin beats instead of always hoping and praying for a Battle Cat beat. West Coast fans are just stuck in the past. If they could still wear Compton hats and have Gheri Curls they would.
Shit is ridiculous. They hate to see a MAN grow up. They want grown ass men to be talking about the same shit they talked 10 years ago. Snoop has a son that's a teen. Dre is damn near 40. Same with Cube. 40's son is already rapping, think how old that makes him. W.C., Mack 10 etc. etc. have all been out for over 10 years, how can you expect them to NOT have grown? They're all in the mid to late 30s, it's time to let them go.
If you wanna see the West Coast come back, try supporting some new shit, instead of looking for a new Daz album or a new Young MC album. It's 2008, we don't have time for one hit wonders, has-beens or never-was' on the West Coast.
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West Coast Rap is on life support cuz the West Coast fans are unable to let go. They fantasize about spending $30 on an album that's 10 years old and that they probably will never get, instead of supporting maybe a Glasses Malone or a Jay Rock (since so many West Coast fans DEMAND "Gangsta" shit). They could look for some Terrace Martin beats instead of always hoping and praying for a Battle Cat beat. West Coast fans are just stuck in the past. If they could still wear Compton hats and have Gheri Curls they would.
Shit is ridiculous. They hate to see a MAN grow up. They want grown ass men to be talking about the same shit they talked 10 years ago. Snoop has a son that's a teen. Dre is damn near 40. Same with Cube. 40's son is already rapping, think how old that makes him. W.C., Mack 10 etc. etc. have all been out for over 10 years, how can you expect them to NOT have grown? They're all in the mid to late 30s, it's time to let them go.
If you wanna see the West Coast come back, try supporting some new shit, instead of looking for a new Daz album or a new Young MC album. It's 2008, we don't have time for one hit wonders, has-beens or never-was' on the West Coast.
young mc hehehe just bust a move! 8)
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how many of these threads have we had?
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how many of these threads have we had?
too much lol
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LoL @ Niggaz Callin Outt Namez...
IMO Itz Tha Industry & Radio... 8)
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LoL @ Niggaz Callin Outt Namez...
IMO Itz Tha Industry & Radio... 8)
it is the industry but when you say the industry in reality your talkin about snoop,
member he represents this coast, he claims to be the king, how the fuck can you be a king of a coast when there is no coast?
so hes the king of a coast wit no rappers droppin? nate dogg doin a tracc, game doin a show and droppin a album isnt a coast!
crooked I, Sly Boogy, Glasses Malone, Bishop Lamont, Yukmouth, Ya Boy, Ras Kass, Mitchy Slick, Above The Law, Omar Cruz,clyde carson droppin non-stop heat is a fuckin coast.
when these cats drop non-stop heat then you can say we have a westcoast. we can say there is a westcoast
snoop releasin a album wit soopafly and kurupt isnt westcoast!
We need a gang of artists wit talent like the list above to drop. not 1 at a time!
you got a million cats sayin go cop their album when you can get more value for a fuckin meal at Taco Bell!
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People have just Outgrown "Gangsta Rap" (IMO)
I Speak for me personaly having grown up thru the entire evolution of Rap from The "SSH, GMF & The F-5" Ect... (Start of this..)
Until Now, The decline has been showing since the start.
and it's not because of lack of artists or any certain group of Rapper's, it's because the fan base just simply outgrows the movement.
Honestly having been thru the REAL era of Gangsta Rap, I Just don't feel like hearing any new rapper spit the exact same shit I heard before from a Rapper who did it already and spit it 100X better than the new Cat.
If I wanna hear Some Gangsta Shit I'll Break out my Lp's & cassete Tapes, And My later Half of the collection as Cd's and bump those..
Honestly I Feel That part of Hip-hop should just be laid to rest. Unless it's them spitting! (The OG's)
It's real hard for me to get Hyped about any New stuff be it East/West, again it's not because of Lack of Music, but quality. (IMO)
There is just Nothing out there that makes me wanna spend any money on. I'd rather just Bump my Archive instead.
Sometimes not even the Og's get me hyped anymore, Like I'm like whatever when it comes to this new Snoop album..
And it has never been like that before...
HHW & Dubcc/DubCnn one of the only reasons I even Check for Hip-Hop anymore. & maybe because it's a personal thing with Crook
cause dude's been owing us an album for a while now.. (Since Virgin crook danm!!!, lol)
IMO, The Real reason Hip Hop is falling off, Is because those WHo made it what it was are all grown up now.
(Old school Hip-Hop heads don't like change, We fucken hate it, Well I do)
pretty much on point with how I feel...really just outgrown a lot of the shit that's out there...although the main reason I feel that the West Coast has fallen off is because west coast rap fans in general have an iron grip on anything Snoop related and don't look at any non-DPG related artist in the same light
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its rap a whole
I mean look at the whole baggy pants issue
they blamin that on rap
and noone speaks up on it enuff.
I said enuff cuz snoop, banner, others spoke but need to speak louder
and the same wit the muzik they need to pump out more muzik more often
aite do adventures of holywood, but what about doin an actual adventures of a bangin album.
but nah they focused on t.v. shows and all that
its all good but these are the same cats that are fuckin up the rap game as well as crooked, sly boogy, kam not releasin albums!
I mean think about it:
cats would rather hear kam over snoop,
but who releases a album and tapes???(not the fuckin rapper that is wanted)
cats would rather hear crooked singin a goodnight story to them than snoop, but who releases a album?
the father!
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LoL @ Niggaz Callin Outt Namez...
IMO Itz Tha Industry & Radio... 8)
it is the industry but when you say the industry in reality your talkin about snoop,
member he represents this coast, he claims to be the king, how the fuck can you be a king of a coast when there is no coast?
so hes the king of a coast wit no rappers droppin? nate dogg doin a tracc, game doin a show and droppin a album isnt a coast!
crooked I, Sly Boogy, Glasses Malone, Bishop Lamont, Yukmouth, Ya Boy, Ras Kass, Mitchy Slick, Above The Law, Omar Cruz,clyde carson droppin non-stop heat is a fuckin coast.
when these cats drop non-stop heat then you can say we have a westcoast. we can say there is a westcoast
snoop releasin a album wit soopafly and kurupt isnt westcoast!
We need a gang of artists wit talent like the list above to drop. not 1 at a time!
you got a million cats sayin go cop their album when you can get more value for a fuckin meal at Taco Bell!
shut up that shit u first said doesnt make sence. Who do ppl think of when they think of WC rappers outside of the ppl on the coast itself? Game & Snoop, that means that in the recent years they have put in the most work. Game been droppin mixtapes, albums, doin shows like powerhouse, feutured on J Rock, O Cruz etc etc what more do u expect? Just cuz the other rappers aint as succesful or the whole coast isn't as popular as before doesnt mean that they aint the KINGS OF THE WEST.
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simply: the so-called "fans" and the industry in general
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1. West needs a new sound. When 2001 dropped west music became a bit more bouncy and less funk and it was recieved relatively well. But now people have moved on and a new sound must be found. Look at the East Coast, they woulda fallen off a lot soona if it wasnt for the new energy put into their records by Kanye and Just Blaze.
2. West producers need todo some new shit. Take WC album. Albums dope no doubt but the beats coulda have come from any west coast album since 1999. Look at Timbaland, Kanye, Powlow Don etc have a diverse sound and it pulled off for them.
3. Major guys putting people on. People point the finger at Snoop and Dre but i cant help feel that Game is one of the worst culprits of this. When his 1st LP came out he shoulda looked to do a group album or release albums from Juice, Ya Boy etc. 50 pulled it off excellently and if he'd got a few Dre tracks he coulda done fine. But to this date BWS is a mixtape label that has little buzz.
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3. Major guys putting people on. People point the finger at Snoop and Dre but i cant help feel that Game is one of the worst culprits of this. When his 1st LP came out he shoulda looked to do a group album or release albums from Juice, Ya Boy etc. 50 pulled it off excellently and if he'd got a few Dre tracks he coulda done fine. But to this date BWS is a mixtape label that has little buzz.
I would agree wit that shit but think about it. Game worked/helped Eastwood, Ya Boy, Jay Rock, Omar Cruz, Juice, Clyde Carson, Techniec, K-Dot, Glasses, Topic, Dubb etc etc. Without Game some of these niggas wouldnt even be mentioned here. But u right, he should put out more albums from the artists he got on BWS but at the same time dude've done alot when u think about it.
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LoL @ Niggaz Callin Outt Namez...
IMO Itz Tha Industry & Radio... 8)
it is the industry but when you say the industry in reality your talkin about snoop,
member he represents this coast, he claims to be the king, how the fuck can you be a king of a coast when there is no coast?
so hes the king of a coast wit no rappers droppin? nate dogg doin a tracc, game doin a show and droppin a album isnt a coast!
crooked I, Sly Boogy, Glasses Malone, Bishop Lamont, Yukmouth, Ya Boy, Ras Kass, Mitchy Slick, Above The Law, Omar Cruz,clyde carson droppin non-stop heat is a fuckin coast.
when these cats drop non-stop heat then you can say we have a westcoast. we can say there is a westcoast
snoop releasin a album wit soopafly and kurupt isnt westcoast!
We need a gang of artists wit talent like the list above to drop. not 1 at a time!
you got a million cats sayin go cop their album when you can get more value for a fuckin meal at Taco Bell!
shut up that shit u first said doesnt make sence. Who do ppl think of when they think of WC rappers outside of the ppl on the coast itself? Game & Snoop, that means that in the recent years they have put in the most work. Game been droppin mixtapes, albums, doin shows like powerhouse, feutured on J Rock, O Cruz etc etc what more do u expect? Just cuz the other rappers aint as succesful or the whole coast isn't as popular as before doesnt mean that they aint the KINGS OF THE WEST.
nah homie dont get it twisted they don big shit especially game but what Im sayin is that the industry depended on game 1 rapper. snoop 2 rappers
they are many more dope rappers that arent gettin heard wit them bein who the fuck is souljah boy, kia shine?
now they may not be as big as them since they commercial, but come on now think about it, theyve been doin this and still aint shit come out of it?
not even a fuckin album!
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the only reason the west started to fall is cuz major labels werent putting to much money into these rappers . . but as soon as they did e.g Game ...they reaped the rewards...... now we have alot of new talent out there and the labels are putting money behind these artists.... its just a damn shame that the rappers that came and went due to this never got to shine
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another problem could cuz so many rappers are tryna to be the next big thing
you cant be the next big thing unless your crown IMO on your own
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in order for the west to make it the producers need to step it up and stop mimicking the south and produce some top notch shit like back in the days. there a few doing it big but niggas like daz and em need to bring it on the beat tip. and niggaz need to bring reality back to the music. also there is no powerhouse labels on the coast no more outside of aftermath compared to back in the day. just some shit with an established stable of artists and top notch producers with it's own identity.
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another problem could cuz so many rappers are tryna to be the next big thing
you cant be the next big thing unless your crown IMO on your own
lolwut
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The consumer is to blame
The goal of most of these artists is to sell records and make money. They are going to make the record based on what is in demand. I'm sure snoop could make a record that has a style much closer to doggystle, but it probably won't sell as well as a different sounding record.
The radio's are not going to play it if people don't request it, the radio's want to have as many listeners as possible that way they can charge more money for advertising.
The big stores (best buy, circuit city, walmart, target) are not going to carry someone no name rapper that has no promotion behind him. In order to get the promotion, you gotta have music that is trendy, that will meet the consumers demands.
The bottom line is, the fans who buy this crappy ass music are the biggest to blame for the death of rap music. A lot of you guys buy shit just due to the name of the artist, regardless of how the record sounds. How many times do you see on here, an ad or tracklist of an album and people quickly say "I'm copping that shit for sure!" wi/o even hearing anything from the record, before any song has even leaked. This happens mostly w/ DPG related music.
I stopped buying music in 2003. I used to be at the record store every tuesday, and was always buying shit. I bought every album of snoop's up until PTCTBTB...I refuse to support crappy music, and I refuse to be part of the biggest fault of the death of rap music. I'm a huge bay area rap fan...but that hyphy movement was mutha fuckin garbage. I'm a huge spice 1 and mc eiht fan, but they keep dropping god awful horrible albums. Don't even get me started on rappers like 50 cent and dipshit. I have always been a huge DJ quik fan, but dude sold out big time...fuck supporting a sell out. I'm a huge Pac fan, but ain't no way I'm buying this remixed garbage bullshit. Yet how many of you buy these albums just to complete your collection because you have to have every album of that artist?
Exactly.
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The beats got generic and the rhymes got one dimensional and westcoast artist stopped being original and tried to hop on the south bandwagon crunk shit . plus that jerking , hyphy faze was booty .
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TDE is going hard, i don't know why u guys r saying all this when kendrick, q, rock, and soul is going hard with it. they'll blow up soon enough, if not at least one of them
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I THINK WE JUST GREW UP, OUT OF THAT BLOOD AND CRIP GANGS, AND DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO LOOK UP TO, SO WE TURNED TO THE SOUTH, HELL SNOOP WENT.. WE JUST NEVER CAME BACK WITH HIM....
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we need to blame Joe.
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sean combs, jay-z, jermaine dupri and lil jon.
lil jon, not jay and puffy tho.fuck em both tho.
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Orlando Anderson is to blame. He killed hip-hop when he killed Pac.
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Orlando Anderson is to blame. He killed hip-hop when he killed Pac.
pretty sure "he kept it real and didnt let any bullshit slide" unlike that foo foo ballerina
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Orlando Anderson is to blame. He killed hip-hop when he killed Pac.
pretty sure "he kept it real and didnt let any bullshit slide" unlike that foo foo ballerina
Well I do have to admit Orlando Anderson wasn't no bitch and he was a for real street cat, nothing to be fucked with. However, he should of given Pac a pass because Pac meant so much to people all over the world. So you can't follow regular gang rules in a case like that. Pac was a hero in the hood and he did too much elevate black people. Orlando should've given him a pass.
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another problem could cuz so many rappers are tryna to be the next big thing
you cant be the next big thing unless your crown IMO on your own
lolwut
lmao, it's not the same here without Enyce's incoherent responses.
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Orlando Anderson is to blame. He killed hip-hop when he killed Pac.
pretty sure "he kept it real and didnt let any bullshit slide" unlike that foo foo ballerina
Well I do have to admit Orlando Anderson wasn't no bitch and he was a for real street cat, nothing to be fucked with. However, he should of given Pac a pass because Pac meant so much to people all over the world. So you can't follow regular gang rules in a case like that. Pac was a hero in the hood and he did too much elevate black people. Orlando should've given him a pass.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know just what he means though, it's like the scene in Kiss of the Dragon when Burt Kwouk's character is killed.
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1176/kwoukburt.jpg)
Why did it have to go down like that?!!
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who is to blame for west coast music falling off?
Will_B
his sperm-guzzling stanism repulsed the finest West Coast-artists, and made em sick
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TDE is going hard, i don't know why u guys r saying all this when kendrick, q, rock, and soul is going hard with it. they'll blow up soon enough, if not at least one of them
Agreed, the Westcoast got next as they leading this new "trendy" scene/sound. Q and kendrick are both really dope..the production on Q's new joint is incredible. This is the best crop since Death Row era whether its your bag or not..
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eurowiggers made the west fall off by pigeon holing the music and the musicians and keeping them trapped to an old sub par standard and not being open minded to progression and change within the artform
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eurowiggers made the west fall off by pigeon holing the music and the musicians and keeping them trapped to an old sub par standard and not being open minded to progression and change within the artform
They made as much shit then as they do now.
Just now everything gets leaked or people actually pay for it.
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eurowiggers made the west fall off by pigeon holing the music and the musicians and keeping them trapped to an old sub par standard and not being open minded to progression and change within the artform
Bullshit. Dumb. Lame.
Hail to the Euros! We rule fool!
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but yall motherfuckers expected them to keep coming out with the same sound over and over and over...eventually you got motherfuckers using the moog synth on peanut butter commercials and people in lowriders doing pepsi ads and shit. you guys called for the over saturation of it.
it took yall so long to appreciate it by the time yall caught the wave the westcoast was done with it but yall never excepted anything progressive they put out and cried for more g funk
thanks alot assholes.
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Orlando Anderson is to blame. He killed hip-hop when he killed Pac.
pretty sure "he kept it real and didnt let any bullshit slide" unlike that foo foo ballerina
Well I do have to admit Orlando Anderson wasn't no bitch and he was a for real street cat, nothing to be fucked with. However, he should of given Pac a pass because Pac meant so much to people all over the world. So you can't follow regular gang rules in a case like that. Pac was a hero in the hood and he did too much elevate black people. Orlando should've given him a pass.
holy shit you may be the biggest wigger in the world. "cant follow regular gang rules because he elevates black people". 99% of 2pac songs were talking about doing exactly what orlando lane did, something that 2pac himself was too much of a lying pussy to ever do
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LOL I'm interested to know this "progressive sound" that the west was trying to introduce?? Niggas got lazy and the hits dried up...
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the progressive sound the west was moving toward was i think what dre and them were trying to do in the ghetto fabulous tango scene and shit like the beat he did with phone tap.
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i think for the most part trends just change. noone is going to be "to blame" for this techno/dubstep bullshit rap thats so big today going out of style, most people are just gonna get bored with it and some new shit will come along
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they will just ruin that too.
its inevitable.
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Yeh Dre did switch up his sound after Death Row and yet he's still relevant today? I really don't get your point..
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right and because of yall bastards now dre wont even come out with detox becasue hes so confused.
the eurohonkey fanbase still want g funk the gangstas want hard shit
the homos and teenieboppers want euro pop and he wants to make everyone happy.
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but yall motherfuckers expected them to keep coming out with the same sound over and over and over...eventually you got motherfuckers using the moog synth on peanut butter commercials and people in lowriders doing pepsi ads and shit. you guys called for the over saturation of it.
it took yall so long to appreciate it by the time yall caught the wave the westcoast was done with it but yall never excepted anything progressive they put out and cried for more g funk
Ah fuck off :laugh:
Things come and go, and $$$ changes everything.
Mainstream Hollywood put out some of the best films in the 80's and 90's (comedy especially)
Now the industry is dead creatively speaking.
Theres no spark now, everyones just playing their role. People forgot how to make a hit, and what real samples, scratching and instruments do...just the basics...what recoding equipment you use. The lot. Big name producers instead of groups of talent coming together and bouncing off each other...competing with sounds and lyrics. Shit got stale.
If you're asking rappers to be creative and change the format up....you're giving them too much credit thinking half of those dudes are capable of more than pulling on their nutts and their caps down, and mumbling shit.
Roscoe came out of nowhere and brought something really fresh to the game. Kid was reading and writing poetry back then and never wanted to rap until he reconnected with his brother. You need thinkers and very gifted people to bring something refreshing thats just better than what everyone used to now....let alone change the game.
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(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/scaled.php?server=13&filename=7b65b1a952a2324868050a9.jpg&res=medium)
Damn.
That was worthwhile.
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youve seen 40 yr old virgin right? its gotta be hard for a middle aged man like that
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damn will b do u ever get off the computer...im here all day at work see u posting..i go home only to come back and see youve been posting all night too
You never heard of a timezone son?
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it still means uve been posting day and night just opposite
"I noticed you posting throughout the day, when I was posting throughout the day"
What a revelation.
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dude im here a work wasting time while getting paid.. how about u?
+1 LMFAO!! Thas Whassup! Same Here!!
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dude im here a work wasting time while getting paid.. how about u?
Same, then got the pc on in the evening.
You lames (no offence) keep jumping on my threads so it's been amusing for a bit.
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your posting from the same ip will.
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your posting from the same ip will.
Play much poker Petey?
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i prefer 52 card pick up, wanna play?
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i prefer 52 card pick up, wanna play?
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8913/811032ceae7f4a0d9a30d6e.jpg)
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im starting a 52 card pick up fantasy league you down will?
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"im starting a 52 card pick up fantasy league you down?"
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but yall motherfuckers expected them to keep coming out with the same sound over and over and over...eventually you got motherfuckers using the moog synth on peanut butter commercials and people in lowriders doing pepsi ads and shit. you guys called for the over saturation of it.
it took yall so long to appreciate it by the time yall caught the wave the westcoast was done with it but yall never excepted anything progressive they put out and cried for more g funk
Ah fuck off :laugh:
Things come and go, and $$$ changes everything.
Mainstream Hollywood put out some of the best films in the 80's and 90's (comedy especially)
Now the industry is dead creatively speaking.
Theres no spark now, everyones just playing their role. People forgot how to make a hit, and what real samples, scratching and instruments do...just the basics...what recoding equipment you use. The lot. Big name producers instead of groups of talent coming together and bouncing off each other...competing with sounds and lyrics. Shit got stale.
If you're asking rappers to be creative and change the format up....you're giving them too much credit thinking half of those dudes are capable of more than pulling on their nutts and their caps down, and mumbling shit.
Roscoe came out of nowhere and brought something really fresh to the game. Kid was reading and writing poetry back then and never wanted to rap until he reconnected with his brother. You need thinkers and very gifted people to bring something refreshing thats just better than what everyone used to now....let alone change the game.
lol at u soundin comfortable when ur sayn u kno what "the game is missin".
this is coming from the same guy, who made a thread and asked "what is backpack-rap, guys?"
go make another thread, n ask the general public if its "generaly acceptable" to customize Death Row-cd's in alphabetical "re-print"-order on your bookshelf,
and stick to your autistic savant-profession
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Back pack rap still a mystery to me.
Bullshit sub genres...it's all the same, rappers sayin conscious stuff one minute, then thuggish shit in the next few bars.
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nah, son
u ever heard of bicycle-helmet rap, William?
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i think for the most part trends just change. noone is going to be "to blame" for this techno/dubstep bullshit rap thats so big today going out of style, most people are just gonna get bored with it and some new shit will come along
Pretty funny when artists from different genres jump on the techno bandwagon.
Who's to blame? Confused fans who don't know what they want.
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The consumer is to blame.
If people aren't buying music anymore then some artists may feel the need to switch their style to be in tune with what is popular and selling now. Then you can argue that a particular coast or style/genre of music has 'fallen off' because it's not in fitting with what you consider to be good music.
Also, people are a lot more fickle these days with their choices, and there are a lot more choices now. There will never be a time again when a particular coast is dominant in hip-hop because times have changed and the music industry doesn't work like that anymore.
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nah, son
u ever heard of bicycle-helmet rap, William?
Ur a waste of space^^
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ur mothers twat is a waste of space
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ur mothers twat is a waste of space
You really never fail to show yourself up.
Don't stop....keep goin
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wills grumpier then usual today....the crumpets must have been a
little stale for the tasting.
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The consumer is to blame.
If people aren't buying music anymore then some artists may feel the need to switch their style to be in tune with what is popular and selling now. Then you can argue that a particular coast or style/genre of music has 'fallen off' because it's not in fitting with what you consider to be good music.
Also, people are a lot more fickle these days with their choices, and there are a lot more choices now. There will never be a time again when a particular coast is dominant in hip-hop because times have changed and the music industry doesn't work like that anymore.
True, but 'respected' artists have fans that always spend $$$ on their stuff (Bob Dylan, Radiohead, Prince, Pink Floyd, New Order, Quincy Jones etc etc, not to mention scores of idie artists coming though and enjoying the benifits of more 'pop culture' consumer trends buying music from itunes) If rap had a bit of artistic and music credibility there would be more people drawn to it, and supporting albums with their cash.
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The consumer is to blame.
If people aren't buying music anymore then some artists may feel the need to switch their style to be in tune with what is popular and selling now. Then you can argue that a particular coast or style/genre of music has 'fallen off' because it's not in fitting with what you consider to be good music.
Also, people are a lot more fickle these days with their choices, and there are a lot more choices now. There will never be a time again when a particular coast is dominant in hip-hop because times have changed and the music industry doesn't work like that anymore.
True, but 'respected' artists have fans that always spend $$$ on their stuff (Bob Dylan, Radiohead, Prince, Pink Floyd, New Order, Quincy Jones etc etc, not to mention scores of idie artists coming though and enjoying the benifits of more 'pop culture' consumer trends buying music from itunes) If rap had a bit of artistic and music credibility there would be more people drawn to it, and supporting albums with their cash.
its not the same. those artists u mentioned have a fanbase that came from a diffrent generation. Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd-fans still buy cd's.
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The consumer is to blame.
If people aren't buying music anymore then some artists may feel the need to switch their style to be in tune with what is popular and selling now. Then you can argue that a particular coast or style/genre of music has 'fallen off' because it's not in fitting with what you consider to be good music.
Also, people are a lot more fickle these days with their choices, and there are a lot more choices now. There will never be a time again when a particular coast is dominant in hip-hop because times have changed and the music industry doesn't work like that anymore.
True, but 'respected' artists have fans that always spend $$$ on their stuff (Bob Dylan, Radiohead, Prince, Pink Floyd, New Order, Quincy Jones etc etc, not to mention scores of idie artists coming though and enjoying the benifits of more 'pop culture' consumer trends buying music from itunes) If rap had a bit of artistic and music credibility there would be more people drawn to it, and supporting albums with their cash.
its not the same. those artists u mentioned have a fanbase that came from a diffrent generation. Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd-fans still buy cd's.
Nah u got cross gererational stuff, or artists that come into vouge after years of obscurity...I was just naming some of the obvious big names. Other 'respected' artists like Arcade Fire, Karen O/Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Florence and the Machine, Flaming Lips, Nick Cave, Little Dragon, Beck, Gnarls Barkley, Gorillaz, plus long established commercial bands like the Chili Peppers, or ones that have a breakout single and go supernova like Kings of Leon.
Good music is universal/timeless and SELLS.