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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: QuietTruth on August 13, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
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I've been wondering..... :-\. But say you do, do both of ya'll go to separate churches on Sunday or some shit? Or can ya'll go to each others churches?
:eh:
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
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I've been wondering..... :-\. But say you do, do both of ya'll go to separate churches on Sunday or some shit? Or can ya'll go to each others churches?
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As with all things including marriage, you shouldn't expect someone else to like something just because you do. That would be falling into the identity trap. Where you assume others will react to things in the way you would; or you put pressure on yourself to live up to what others want out of you (which is really just to make you more valuable to them). When really, there is nobody better at determining and understanding what is going to make you happy then yourself.
So in an issue such as this I would advice that if the man likes going to the masjid, then he should go, but not expect his wife to enjoy going just because he does. And likewise, if she goes to church, she can go on her own damn time, and not expect him to go.
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^ Ahh, so just go your separate ways?
dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
No, I don't plan on marrying a Muslim, becuz like what you posted up, I didn't think they were 'allowed'. Damn. That shit is terrible!
But say the wife's a Catholic. And you are whatever you are, and you have kids, what will the kids be?
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I think you both just continue to follow what you believe in and agree that there may be some things you don't agree on.
But say the wife's a Catholic. And you are whatever you are, and you have kids, what will the kids be?
why could they not learn about both religions and make their own choice when they are old enough to do so?
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Good looks.
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But say the wife's a Catholic. And you are whatever you are, and you have kids, what will the kids be?
cathuslims? that'd be logic
8) 8) 8)
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Atheism is the solution for this and many other problems. If I was a father I'd teach my kid philosophy and real stuff instead of dogmatic stuff and twisted principles & rules.
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Atheism is the solution for this and many other problems. If I was a father I'd teach my kid philosophy and real stuff instead of dogmatic stuff and twisted principles & rules.
I'm a Christian and I'd do the same thing. My father is a Christian and he did just that. Of course the Greek heritage had a lot to do the philosphy part. My father only spoke of Jesus's debates with the Jewish priests and how he'd shame them every time. As a kid I'd get scolded for yawning in church, but I'd get scolded for yawning in the car or the shopping mall too. My dad's a bit nuts but he's consistent. I've never in my life gotten a lecture about going to hell or praying properly.
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But say the wife's a Catholic. And you are whatever you are, and you have kids, what will the kids be?
I would let her tell our kid(s) about her beliefs and I would tell stuff about my beliefs. I know what I'd say makes more sense than whatever she's gonna put on the table, so at the end of the day I win :stir:
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
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i think if religion isn't that big of a deal to both of you i don't think it'll matter. but if it's a major part of both of your lifes and you believe differently ....i don't think you should marry.
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what if a jewish dude married a christian chick, would their son have to wear a kufi?
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
Is it only muslims that do it? No.
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what if a jewish dude married a christian chick, would their son have to wear a kufi?
LOL!
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
LOL @ does it stop Muslims doing it... that's the dumbest fucking argument I've heard...
Do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from killing, raping, etc... ?
Oh, then Christians must just be sick fucks... like Chris Benoit placing the Bible next to his kid after killing him. Nothing but a sick Christian fuck huh?
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the point is a christian family allow a daughter to marry a muslim but a muslim family don't
8) 8) 8)
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
LOL @ does it stop Muslims doing it... that's the dumbest fucking argument I've heard...
Do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from killing, raping, etc... ?
Oh, then Christians must just be sick fucks... like Chris Benoit placing the Bible next to his kid after killing him. Nothing but a sick Christian fuck huh?
i think thats the dumbest argument i've heard.
are you actually muslim?
do the teachings of Islam stop Muslims from killing, raping, blow up buildings, etc?
smh
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
LOL @ does it stop Muslims doing it... that's the dumbest fucking argument I've heard...
Do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from killing, raping, etc... ?
Oh, then Christians must just be sick fucks... like Chris Benoit placing the Bible next to his kid after killing him. Nothing but a sick Christian fuck huh?
The difference is Muslims kill people and do some stupid shit in the name of Allah. They think there doing is taking them to heaven and shit where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
LOL @ does it stop Muslims doing it... that's the dumbest fucking argument I've heard...
Do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from killing, raping, etc... ?
Oh, then Christians must just be sick fucks... like Chris Benoit placing the Bible next to his kid after killing him. Nothing but a sick Christian fuck huh?
The difference is Muslims kill people and do some stupid shit in the name of Allah. They think there doing is taking them to heaven and shit where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion
Wrong. Read up on your history. I'll even help you start off... check up on the genocide carried out against the Native Americans by the Europeans in the name of Christianity.... the slaughters of the Crusades were carried out in the name of God... the Spanish Inquisition... hundreds of other events in European history that can be regarded as killings in the name of God... Hitler was in part inspired/motivated by Martin Luther's texts... the KKK believes it has a religious obligation to persecute Catholics and Jews... I could go on forever... and yes, I could probably list just as many for Muslims... but does that mean Christianity/Islam teaches these things?
And by the way, people sometimes fail to distinguish between cultural practices and religious. The reason Islam forbids honor killings is because they took place in the region before Islam... African Christians still carry them out... they did it before Christianity, and they're still doing it now... just because either group hasn't followed the guidelines set forth by the religion, doesn't mean the religion condones it.
Honestly, sometimes I come on here, and I find it hard to believe that people really can be THIS dumb/ignorant. I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
props on that.
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
LOL @ this chump...
you said: "where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion"
My response also included a mention of the KKK which refutes that bullshit.... and there are many more groups like that around... the Army of God is another... and these are organized groups.... now if you want to talk about individual crimes and cases, anybody can dig up news articles where people killed in the name of one thing or another.
and LOL @ "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... are you really that fuckin dumb?
Alright peep game since you're too dumb... even if you were to move everything off the table... and just look at "recent events"... why don't you gather up some statistics and total up the number of people that died as a direct result of Muslim terrorism in the last 10 years.... and then compare that with the number of innocent Iraqis that have died as a direct result of Bush ordering their destruction (one single Christian)... I mean you have to remember Bush did claim he was doing this for God and God was on his side.
So not only does this refute your "Christian criminals wouldn't say they're doing it for religion", but it also shits on your excuse of "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... in addition it shows how the actions of 1 Christian criminal have resulted in more deaths than all the Muslim terrorism combined.
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
props on that.
LOL @ this cheerleader... dumbfuck can't respond for himself... and has other chumps take the lessons for him
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dont marry a muslim if you arent one yourself, you may find your wife brutally murdered and stuffed into a suitcase...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6906594.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
sick bastards.
Interesting to note that the first sentence states: "Honor killing is forbidden in Islam."
does it stop muslims doing it? no, does it fuck.
also, did you read the BBC article?
"Her soul would not leave her body - it took over half an hour.
"I swear to God, my foot was on her back. I was kicking or stamping on her neck to get her soul out."
once again: sick bastards.
LOL @ does it stop Muslims doing it... that's the dumbest fucking argument I've heard...
Do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from killing, raping, etc... ?
Oh, then Christians must just be sick fucks... like Chris Benoit placing the Bible next to his kid after killing him. Nothing but a sick Christian fuck huh?
word^^ +1
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
Honestly, sometimes I come on here, and I find it hard to believe that people really can be THIS dumb/ignorant. I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
WORD
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
Honestly, sometimes I come on here, and I find it hard to believe that people really can be THIS dumb/ignorant. I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
WORD
no homo?
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
Honestly, sometimes I come on here, and I find it hard to believe that people really can be THIS dumb/ignorant. I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
WORD
no homo?
its rather no hetero then or sumthin...
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
LOL @ this chump...
you said: "where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion"
My response also included a mention of the KKK which refutes that bullshit.... and there are many more groups like that around... the Army of God is another... and these are organized groups.... now if you want to talk about individual crimes and cases, anybody can dig up news articles where people killed in the name of one thing or another.
and LOL @ "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... are you really that fuckin dumb?
Alright peep game since you're too dumb... even if you were to move everything off the table... and just look at "recent events"... why don't you gather up some statistics and total up the number of people that died as a direct result of Muslim terrorism in the last 10 years.... and then compare that with the number of innocent Iraqis that have died as a direct result of Bush ordering their destruction (one single Christian)... I mean you have to remember Bush did claim he was doing this for God and God was on his side.
So not only does this refute your "Christian criminals wouldn't say they're doing it for religion", but it also shits on your excuse of "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... in addition it shows how the actions of 1 Christian criminal have resulted in more deaths than all the Muslim terrorism combined.
Firstly what is with you trying too throw insults around? You getting mad cos people aren’t agreeing with you? All it does it makes you look childish. Secondly you point on the KKK did not make sense. You said “the KKK believes it has a religious obligation to persecute Catholics and Jews”. So? What relevance does this have on anything. Also how ridiculous is it to use Christian sects as examples of wrong doing in the name of God. I'm talking about the major Christian religion of Catholism. Find me a recent example of a Catholic group. Your point on George Bush is also ridiculous. George Bush never has claimed or ordered anything in the name of God. Saying ‘God is with us’ is in the context that God will be with American Christians to confort them as they fight the forces of evil (Terrorists). Weather the war is right or wrong is a whole other topic, but never has George Bush invaded any country in the name of Jesus or God. If I remember correctly what started the War on Terror was Islamic terrorists killing thousands of Americans, Coincidently that was done in revenge for American foreign policy like the US support of Israel against Palistine and done in it was done in the name of Allah. I understand that the terrorists were under the impression that upon the mass killing of non Islamic people they would proceed straight to heaven. Further more it is purely your opinion that George Bush is ‘a criminal’ and that he has committed ‘crimes’, you shouldn’t throw them out there as fact. What I mean I when I say '"if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument", is that nobody is perfect. You could take a Gandhi and make him look bad. Therefore when you give examples like The Crusades, its ridiculous because occurred so long ago when the church was in a completely different state then it is today. For the Islamic religion it is still as common today as it was back then, just take the recent comments about Islam the Pope made and the violent outbreak that started, burning Christian pictures etc. That kind of reaction not only proved the Popes point.
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
na man you ain't licking his sacks you're fully on them :tosser:
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If you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument. Firstly i didn't say the Muslim religion endorsed this sort of behaviour because i have learned a bit about it and understand in essence it is a peacful religion, however it seems that many of its followers in the past but more importantly many today interpretate teachings in a way which leads them to coomit heinious acts like this in the name of God. Even high ranking Muslim teachers never seem to condone such acts and numerious times they endores these acts like when the Muslim world placed a 'Fatwa' on the author of Satanic Verses citing his killing as retribution to God
LOL @ this chump...
you said: "where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion"
My response also included a mention of the KKK which refutes that bullshit.... and there are many more groups like that around... the Army of God is another... and these are organized groups.... now if you want to talk about individual crimes and cases, anybody can dig up news articles where people killed in the name of one thing or another.
and LOL @ "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... are you really that fuckin dumb?
Alright peep game since you're too dumb... even if you were to move everything off the table... and just look at "recent events"... why don't you gather up some statistics and total up the number of people that died as a direct result of Muslim terrorism in the last 10 years.... and then compare that with the number of innocent Iraqis that have died as a direct result of Bush ordering their destruction (one single Christian)... I mean you have to remember Bush did claim he was doing this for God and God was on his side.
So not only does this refute your "Christian criminals wouldn't say they're doing it for religion", but it also shits on your excuse of "if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument"... in addition it shows how the actions of 1 Christian criminal have resulted in more deaths than all the Muslim terrorism combined.
Firstly what is with you trying too throw insults around? You getting mad cos people aren’t agreeing with you? All it does it makes you look childish. Secondly you point on the KKK did not make sense. You said “the KKK believes it has a religious obligation to persecute Catholics and Jews”. So? What relevance does this have on anything. Also how ridiculous is it to use Christian sects as examples of wrong doing in the name of God. I'm talking about the major Christian religion of Catholism. Find me a recent example of a Catholic group. Your point on George Bush is also ridiculous. George Bush never has claimed or ordered anything in the name of God. Saying ‘God is with us’ is in the context that God will be with American Christians to confort them as they fight the forces of evil (Terrorists). Weather the war is right or wrong is a whole other topic, but never has George Bush invaded any country in the name of Jesus or God. If I remember correctly what started the War on Terror was Islamic terrorists killing thousands of Americans, Coincidently that was done in revenge for American foreign policy like the US support of Israel against Palistine and done in it was done in the name of Allah. I understand that the terrorists were under the impression that upon the mass killing of non Islamic people they would proceed straight to heaven. Further more it is purely your opinion that George Bush is ‘a criminal’ and that he has committed ‘crimes’, you shouldn’t throw them out there as fact. What I mean I when I say '"if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument", is that nobody is perfect. You could take a Gandhi and make him look bad. Therefore when you give examples like The Crusades, its ridiculous because occurred so long ago when the church was in a completely different state then it is today. For the Islamic religion it is still as common today as it was back then, just take the recent comments about Islam the Pope made and the violent outbreak that started, burning Christian pictures etc. That kind of reaction not only proved the Popes point.
1. I insulted you because you're dumb.
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What you just asked: You said “the KKK believes it has a religious obligation to persecute Catholics and Jews”. So? What relevance does this have on anything.
What you stated earlier: "christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion"
If you can't make the connection of what relevance my point had, then refer back to point #1 and it will make more sense to you.
3. So now it's ridiculous for me to use Christian sects, instead of Catholicism?
Where did you specify Catholicism? Where did I point out specific sects? What bullshit will you try to pull out of your ass next?
By the way, even if what you claim were to be true, it's just as, if not more ridiculous to generalize and attribute certain things to 1 BILLION people because of the acts of less than 1%.
4. You're wrong again. George Bush actually claimed that God told him to go to war.
5. You're wrong again. You tell me not to make the assumption that George Bush is a criminal, yet you claim "I understand that the terrorists were under the impression that upon the mass killing of non Islamic people they would proceed straight to heaven." Really now? So terrorists believe that by killing any non-Muslim they go to heaven. Wow you are such a bright kid.
6. Why are you going back to the crusades thing... I listed a bunch of things in response to a comment made about Islam... when one of you said well that was long ago, I brought up more recent examples with the KKK/Bush being a couple... and when you failed to properly refute those points (as I've demonstrated in this post), you go back to the crusades thing.
7. Refer back to #1.
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
na man you ain't licking his sacks you're fully on them :tosser:
Firstly what is with you trying too throw insults around? You getting mad cos people aren’t agreeing with you? All it does it makes you look childish.
LOL... the irony.
You're a dumbass. Go get an education, chump.
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1) I am ‘such a kid’ and you’re so manly with those hard mocks. lol
2) What does it matter if the KKK think they have religious obligations to persecute Jews or who ever. The argument is over weather Muslims kill in the name of God and your point was that this was un-true and that the Christian religion in fact does that. Therefore it makes no sense to bring the KKK in because what you said about them has no relevance at all, its not even a religion lol
3) You used ‘Army of God’ as an example in an early post. I presume they are a Christian sect other wise it once again would have the same relevance as the KKK example you used. Definition of a sect “a group of people with some what different religious beliefs to the group they belong, often regarded as heretical’. Therefore once again it is stupid to use ‘Army of God’ as an example as there beliefs are considered heretical by most Christians.
4) Talk about pulling things from your ass. George in not fighting in the name of God. He is fighting in essence because America, Britain is continuously being attacked by Islamic terrorists.
5) What I said about the terrorist’s beliefs is 100%. I remember CNN reporting it back then. Guides were found in hotel rooms designed to get them through till the end. It wasn’t so much the fact that they were killing non Muslims but the fact that they were doing Allah’s will. Won’t even arguing about weather George Bush is a criminal.
6) I brought up the Crusades because in you previous post you argued with my point that ‘"if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument" and it was good example of what you were doing.
You wanna talk irony? You call es jay a cheerleader but you won’t tell Z to get off you sacks ??? LMAO!
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i don't wanna get into this shit cause i don't really give a fuck about this thread anymore ever since your insultin each other and it's obvious that none of you is gonna say "oh, your right, i apologize" so i'll just say that puttin religion as a excuse to war when actually is not because of that is the worse thing because it's puttin people's faith in your hands, luckily occidental countries, unlike oriental, don't do this shit right now and i hope they won't, cause i think it would mean a major war
8) 8) 8)
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i dont wanna seem as if im lickin your balls, but....
Honestly, sometimes I come on here, and I find it hard to believe that people really can be THIS dumb/ignorant. I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
WORD
no homo?
its rather no hetero then or sumthin...
O!
got ya
my bad, i didnt know
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1) I am ‘such a kid’ and you’re so manly with those hard mocks. lol
2) What does it matter if the KKK think they have religious obligations to persecute Jews or who ever. The argument is over weather Muslims kill in the name of God and your point was that this was un-true and that the Christian religion in fact does that. Therefore it makes no sense to bring the KKK in because what you said about them has no relevance at all, its not even a religion lol
3) You used ‘Army of God’ as an example in an early post. I presume they are a Christian sect other wise it once again would have the same relevance as the KKK example you used. Definition of a sect “a group of people with some what different religious beliefs to the group they belong, often regarded as heretical’. Therefore once again it is stupid to use ‘Army of God’ as an example as there beliefs are considered heretical by most Christians.
4) Talk about pulling things from your ass. George in not fighting in the name of God. He is fighting in essence because America, Britain is continuously being attacked by Islamic terrorists.
5) What I said about the terrorist’s beliefs is 100%. I remember CNN reporting it back then. Guides were found in hotel rooms designed to get them through till the end. It wasn’t so much the fact that they were killing non Muslims but the fact that they were doing Allah’s will. Won’t even arguing about weather George Bush is a criminal.
6) I brought up the Crusades because in you previous post you argued with my point that ‘"if you go back far enough you can find information to support any argument" and it was good example of what you were doing.
You wanna talk irony? You call es jay a cheerleader but you won’t tell Z to get off you sacks ??? LMAO!
1. Thanks.
2. This just shows that when you tried to be a captain-save-a-fag for esJay you were so excited to help him that you just jumped in and missed the whole point in the process. I did not state that no Muslims kill in the name of God. I will guide you through this, son... hold daddy's hand while he takes you down memory lane:
- EsJay talked about Muslims and honor killings
- I pointed out that Islam actually forbids honor killings
- He said that "does that stop Muslims from doing it"
- So I responded "do the teachings of Christianity stop Christians from committing acts of murder, raping, etc"
- Then your dumbass jumped in out of nowhere to state that "where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion"
- So I gave a list of examples of Christians committing atrocious acts in the name of religion... KKK being an example.
- And now you say how is that relevant because the KKK isn't a religion... LMAO... that's like me saying "Muslims isn't a religion... those terrorists are just people who happen to follow Islam... since the KKK members just happen to be people who follow Christianity".
- Once again, you're a dumbass.
3. Actually the Army of God isn't a religious sect. It's a group of Christians who have an extreme anti-Abortion stance, and carry out terrorist acts.
4. "where as christian criminals wouldn't SAY there doing it for RELIGION"
George Bush SAID he's doing it for GOD.
You notice how you make statements, and when I respond, you go around running in circles looking for a way out.
5. Wait let me get this straight... the proof for your argument to generalize an entire religion and its 1 billion followers is based on a CNN clip showing what a few terrorists are thought to have believed? Go educate yourself, dumbfuck.
6. No, actually I brought up the crusades in response to "where as christian criminals wouldn't say there doing it for religion".... after that you said if you go back far enough you can find information to back up anything... so then I said okay let's focus on more recent things then... you see, I'm letting you take the lead in this dance, but you're still the bitch.
7. You obviously don't know the definition of irony. Once again, you're a dumbass.
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as far as mm concerned jamaal is clownin y'all in this thread....how u gon diss one religion in this case muslims for its actions callin them 'sick bastards' when other religions do exactly the same thang but they get a pass....or its different....or claim they do things but not claim it is in the name of god....lol....or its okat for for one set of ppl to do something but when another does it....in this case being so called muslims they get called sick bastards....
some of y'all really need to grow the fuck up and stop dissin religions left right and centre just because of what shit is being said around u or being brought up as dumb muthafucker....go out and meet ppl....speak to people of different cultures.....
shiiiit this is coming from someone who is black and of no religion.....but really......some of y'all need to learn to better yourselfs before comin up dissin a whole set of ppl.....
and of these ppl from all sets claiming they did these killings for god....they aint of religion....they lost.....
dumb as muthafuckers grow the fuck up and like jamaal said, get an education and if u do, whats the fuckin point of one if a cat aint got no heart or personality to match it....
shiiit this is a hiphop board....ppl from everywhere and all different religions and cultures come on here....yet y'all have some backward beliefs when it comes to different religions, countries and races and so on.....sad really....
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At this point in my life, religion is not a major concern. As long as the woman isn't obsessed by her beliefs to the point where it consumes her, I would consider marrying her. That's if everything is aight too fo course.
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as long a she's not a devil worshiper its all good
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I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
Nice quotable! +1
5) What I said about the terrorist’s beliefs is 100%. I remember CNN reporting it back then.
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4. You're wrong again. George Bush actually claimed that God told him to go to war.
What/where/when/how did he claim that? Can you provide a source?
(One entertaining discussion this has been so far btw.)
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i digged up info from a thread i created a while ago.... you want a list of modern christian terrorists groups/acts?... here's a list of non muslim terrorist groups... most of them christian groups
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NAME: Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) a.k.a. Continuity Army Council
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1994.
GOALS: The reunification of Ireland and to forcing British troops from Northern Ireland.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Fewer than 50 hard-core activists.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Northern Ireland, Irish Republic.
AFFILIATIONS: Suspected of receiving funds and arms from sympathizers in the United States. May have acquired arms and materiel from the Balkans in cooperation with the Real IRA.
COMMENTS: A radical terrorist splinter group formed as the clandestine armed wing of the political organization Republican Sinn Fein (RSF). RSF formed after the Irish Republican Army announced a cease-fire in September 1994. Targets include British military and Northern Ireland security targets and Northern Ireland Loyalist paramilitary groups. Also has launched bomb attacks against civilian targets in Northern Ireland. Does not have an established presence or capability to launch attacks on the U.K. mainland. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), but listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Irish Republican Army (IRA) a.k.a. Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA), the Provos
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1969.
GOALS: Removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Several hundred members, plus several thousand sympathizers.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Northern Ireland, Irish Republic, Great Britain, Europe.
AFFILIATIONS: Has, in the past, received aid from a variety of groups and countries and considerable training and arms from Libya and the PLO. Is suspected of receiving funds, arms, and other terrorist-related materiel from sympathizers in the United States. Similarities in operations suggest links to the ETA.
COMMENTS: Terrorist group formed as the clandestine armed wing of Sinn Fein, a legal political movement. Has a Marxist orientation. Organized into small, tightly knit cells under the leadership of the Army Council. Despite of some members to the dissident splinter groups, its numbers have remained steady. The IRA has been observing a cease-fire since July 1997 and previously observed a cease-fire from September 1994 to February 1996. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), but listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1996.
GOALS: Prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland by attacking Catholic politicians, civilians, and Protestant politicians who endorse the Northern Ireland peace process.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Approximately 150.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Ireland, Northern Ireland.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: Terrorist group formed as a faction of the mainstream loyalist Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), the LVF did not emerge publicly until February 1997. Composed largely of UVF hardliners. Has been observing a cease-fire since May 1998. The LVF decommissioned a small but significant amount of weapons in December 1998, but it has not repeated this gesture, and in fact threatened in 2000 to resume killing Catholics. In 2000, the LVF also engaged in a brief but violent feud with other loyalists in which several individuals were killed. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) but listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Orange Volunteers (OV)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Late 1990s.
GOALS: Prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Up to 20 hard-core members, some of whom are experienced in terrorist tactics and bomb making.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Northern Ireland.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: Comprised largely of disgruntled loyalist hardliners who split from groups observing the cease-fire. The OV declared a cease-fire in September 2000, but the group maintains the ability to conduct bombings, arson, beatings, and possibly robberies. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) but listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Real IRA (RIRA) a.k.a. True IRA
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: February-March 1998.
GOALS: Removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: 150 to 200.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Northern Ireland, Irish Republic, Great Britain.
AFFILIATIONS: Possible limited support from IRA hardliners dissatisfied with the IRA cease-fire and other republican sympathizers. Suspected of receiving funds from sympathizers in the United States. RIRA also is thought to have purchased sophisticated weapons from the Balkans, according to press reports.
COMMENTS: The clandestine armed wing of the 32-County Sovereignty Movement, a "political pressure group" opposed to Sinn Fein's adoption of the Mitchell principles of democracy and nonviolence 1999 additions to the Irish Constitution, which lay claim to Northern Ireland. Listed as "active" during 2000, it was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on October 5, 2001.
NAME: Red Hand Defenders (RHD)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Late 1990s.
GOALS: Prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists by attacking Catholic civilian interests in Northern Ireland.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Up to 20 members.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Northern Ireland.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: Extremist terrorist group composed largely of Protestant hardliners from other loyalist groups observing a cease-fire. RHD was quiet in 2000, following a damaging crackdown by security forces in late 1999. In prior years, the group has carried out numerous pipe bombings and arson attacks against "soft" civilian targets, such as homes, churches, and private businesses, to cause outrage in the republican community and to provoke IRA retaliation. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) but listed as "active" during 2000.
CHILE
NAME: Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1983.
GOALS: Carry out missions of the Chilean Communist Party as its armed wing.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Attacks civilians and international targets, including U.S. businesses and Mormon churches. Bombed two restaurants in the U.S. in 1993.
STRENGTH: 50 to 100.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Chile, United States.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COLOMBIA
NAME: National Liberation Army (ELN)—Colombia
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1965.
GOALS: Replacing the current government with a Marxist regime.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Conducted a campaign of mass kidnappings during the late 1990s, each of which involved at least one U.S. citizen.
STRENGTH: Approximately 3,000 to 6,000 armed combatants and an unknown number of active supporters.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Rural and mountainous areas of north, northeast, and southwest Colombia and Venezuela border regions.
AFFILIATIONS: Cuba provides some medical care and political consultation.
COMMENTS: Marxist insurgent group formed by urban intellectuals inspired by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1964.
GOALS: Replacing the current government with a Marxist regime.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: In March 1999, the FARC executed three U.S. Indian rights activists in Venezuela after it kidnapped them in Colombia.
STRENGTH: Approximately 9,000 to 12,000 armed combatants and an unknown number of supporters, mostly in rural areas.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Colombia with some activities — extortion, kidnapping, logistics — in Venezuela, Panama, and Ecuador.
AFFILIATIONS: Cuba provides some medical care and political consultation.
COMMENTS: Established as the military wing of the Colombian Communist Party. FARC continues peace negotiations with the Pastrana administration, which has granted the group several concessions, including a demilitarized zone used as a venue for negotiations. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: United Self-Defense Forces/Group of Colombia (AUC-Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1997.
GOALS: Claims its primary objective is to protect its sponsors from insurgents.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: The paramilitaries have not taken action against U.S. personnel.
STRENGTH: In early 2001, the government estimated there were 8,000 paramilitary fighters, including former military and insurgent personnel.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: AUC forces are strongest in the north and northwest: Antioquia, Cordoba, Sucre, Bolivar, Atlantico, and Magdalena Departments of Colombia.
AFFILIATIONS: None outside Colombia. The AUC is supported by economic elites, drug traffickers, and local communities lacking effective government security.
COMMENTS: The AUC — commonly referred to as autodefensas or paramilitaries — is an umbrella organization formed in April 1997 to consolidate most local and regional paramilitary groups each with the mission to protect economic interests and combat insurgents locally. Listed as "active" during 2000, it was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on October 5, 2001.
CHILE
NAME: Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1983.
GOALS: Carry out missions of the Chilean Communist Party as its armed wing.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Attacks civilians and international targets, including U.S. businesses and Mormon churches. Bombed two restaurants in the U.S. in 1993.
STRENGTH: 50 to 100.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Chile, United States.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
GEORGIA
NAME: Zviadists
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1991.
GOALS: Extremist supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Overthrow Gamsakhurdia's successor Eduard Shevardnadze's rule.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Unknown.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Georgia, especially Mingrelia and Russia.
AFFILIATIONS: Unknown.
COMMENTS: Some now operate anti-Shevardnadze activities from Russia.
GREECE
NAME: Revolutionary Nuclei (RN) a.k.a. Revolutionary Cells
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1995.
GOALS: Believed to be the successor group to the Revolutionary People’s Struggle (ELA), RN is a leftist group with an anti-establishment, anti-U.S., anti-NATO and anti-EU agenda. The ELA, which sought to oppose “imperialist domination, exploitation, and oppression,” has not been active since 1995.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: In November 2000, RN bombed the Citigroup offices in Athens and the studio of a Greek/American sculptor. In December 1999, the group detonated explosives outside the Athens offices of Texaco.
STRENGTH: Unknown.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Mainly the Athens metropolitan area in Greece.
AFFILIATIONS: Unknown.
COMMENTS: RN was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on March 27, 2002.
NAME: Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1971.
GOALS: To oppose "imperialist domination, exploitation, and oppression."
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Since 1974, has conducted bombings against Greek government and economic targets, as well as U.S. military and business facilities.
STRENGTH: Unknown.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Greece.
AFFILIATIONS: Received weapons and other assistance from international terrorist Carlos during 1980s. Currently no known foreign sponsors. Greek police believe they have established links between ELA and Revolutionary Organization 17 November.
COMMENTS: An extreme leftist group, the ELA is self-described as revolutionary, anti-capitalist, and anti-imperialist. Strongly anti-U.S., and seeks the removal of U.S. military forces from Greece. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
HONDURAS
NAME: Morzanist Patriotic Front (FPM)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Late 1980s
GOALS: Protest U.S. intervention in Honduran economic and political affairs.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Mainly operates attacks on U.S. military personnel in Honduras. Bus bombing in 1990 wounded seven U.S. servicemen, and one in 1989 wounded three servicemen. Attacked U.S. convoy in 1989. Grenade attack in La Ceiba in 1989 wounded seven U.S. soldiers. Claimed bombing of Peace Corps office in 1988.
STRENGTH: Unknown, probably relatively small.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Honduras
AFFILIATIONS: Had ties to former government of Nicaragua and possibly Cuba.
ISRAEL
NAME: Kach and Kahane Chai
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Both organizations were declared to be terrorist organizations in March 1994 by the Israeli Cabinet under the 1948 Terrorism Law.
GOALS: Stated goal is to restore the biblical state of Israel.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: Unknown.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Israel and West Bank settlements, particularly Qiryat Arba' in Hebron.
AFFILIATIONS: Receives support from sympathizers in the United States and Europe.
COMMENTS: Kach was founded by radical Israeli-American rabbi Meir Kahane, while its offshoot Kahane Chai,(which means "Kahane Lives") was founded by Meir Kahane's son Binyamin following his father's assassination in the United States. They have threatened to attack Arabs, Palestinians, and Israeli government officials. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
JAPAN
NAME: Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) a.k.a. Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1987.
GOALS: To take over Japan and then the world.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: The Aum's current membership is estimated at 1,500 to 2,000 persons. At the time of the 1995 Tokyo subway attack, the group claimed to have 9,000 members in Japan and up to 40,000 worldwide.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: The Aum's principal membership is located only in Japan, but a residual branch comprising an unknown number of followers has surfaced in Russia.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: A cult established by Shoko Asahara, the Aum is responsible for the March 20, 1995 sarin nerve gas attacks on several Tokyo subway trains that killed 12 persons and injured up to 6,000. In 2000, Fumihiro Joyu took control of the Aum following his three-year jail sentence for perjury. Joyu was previously the group's spokesman and Russia Branch leader. Under Joyu's leadership the Aum changed its name to Aleph and claims to have rejected the violent and apocalyptic teachings of its founde r. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Chukaku-Ha (Nucleus or Middle Core Faction)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1957.
GOALS: Protest Japan's imperial system, Western imperialism, and events such as the Gulf War and the expansion of Tokyo's Narita Airport.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: 3,500.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Japan.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: Largest domestic militant group; has small covert action wing called Kansai Revolutionary Army.
NAME: Japanese Red Army (JRA) a.k.a. Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Around 1970.
GOALS: To overthrow the Japanese government and monarchy and to help foment world revolution.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: In 1972 the JRA attempted a takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Kuala Lumpur. In April 1988, JRA operative Yu Kikumura was arrested with explosives on the New Jersey Turnpike, apparently planning an attack to coincide with the bombing of a USO club in Naples, a suspected JRA operation that killed five, including a U.S. servicewoman.
STRENGTH: About six hard-core members; undetermined number of sympathizers.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: The JRA has carried out a series of attacks around the world. Location unknown, but possibly traveling in Asia or Syrian-controlled areas of Lebanon.
AFFILIATIONS: Unknown. Has history of close relations with Palestinian terrorist groups based and operating outside Japan. May control or at least have ties to Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB); also may have links to Antiwar Democratic Front — an overt leftist political organization — inside Japan.
COMMENTS: The JRA is a break away from the Japanese Communist League-Red Army Faction. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) in 2000, it was removed from the FTO list on October 5, 2001.
LEBANON
NAME: ‘Asbat al-Ansar (The Partisans’ League)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Early 1990s.
GOALS: Overthrow the Lebanese government and thwart anti-Islamic influences in Lebanon.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: About 300 fighters.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Primary base of operations is the ‘Ayn al-Hilwah Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon.
AFFILIATIONS: Overseas Sunni extremist networks and Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda.
COMMENTS: A Lebanon-based group composed mainly of Palestinians, Asbat al-Ansar adheres to an extremist interpretation of Islam and justifies the use of violence against civilian targets. The group raised its profile in 2000 with a rocket-propelled grenade attack on the Russian Embassy in Beirut. It was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on March 27, 2002.
HONDURAS
NAME: Morzanist Patriotic Front (FPM)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Late 1980s
GOALS: Protest U.S. intervention in Honduran economic and political affairs.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Mainly operates attacks on U.S. military personnel in Honduras. Bus bombing in 1990 wounded seven U.S. servicemen, and one in 1989 wounded three servicemen. Attacked U.S. convoy in 1989. Grenade attack in La Ceiba in 1989 wounded seven U.S. soldiers. Claimed bombing of Peace Corps office in 1988.
STRENGTH: Unknown, probably relatively small.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Honduras
AFFILIATIONS: Had ties to former government of Nicaragua and possibly Cuba.
LEBANON
NAME: ‘Asbat al-Ansar (The Partisans’ League)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Early 1990s.
GOALS: Overthrow the Lebanese government and thwart anti-Islamic influences in Lebanon.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: About 300 fighters.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Primary base of operations is the ‘Ayn al-Hilwah Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon.
AFFILIATIONS: Overseas Sunni extremist networks and Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda.
COMMENTS: A Lebanon-based group composed mainly of Palestinians, Asbat al-Ansar adheres to an extremist interpretation of Islam and justifies the use of violence against civilian targets. The group raised its profile in 2000 with a rocket-propelled grenade attack on the Russian Embassy in Beirut. It was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on March 27, 2002.
PERU
NAME: Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Late 1960s.
GOALS: Destroy existing Peruvian institutions and replace them with a Communist peasant revolutionary regime. Oppose any influence by foreign governments, as well as by other Latin American guerrilla groups, especially the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA).
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Attempted to car-bomb the U.S. embassy in Peru in 1990.
STRENGTH: 100-200 armed militants.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Peru, with most activity in rural areas.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: In the 1980s, SL became one of the most ruthless terrorist groups in the Western Hemisphere — approximately 30,000 persons have died since SL took up arms in 1980. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.
NAME: Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1983.
GOALS: Establish a Marxist regime and rid Peru of all imperialist elements (primarily U.S. and Japanese influence).
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None.
STRENGTH: No more than 100.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Peru with supporters throughout Latin America and Western Europe. Controls no territory.
AFFILIATIONS: None.
COMMENTS: Previously conducted bombings, kidnappings, ambushes, and assassinations, but recent activity has fallen drastically. Peru's counter-terrorist program has diminished the group's ability to carry out terrorist attacks. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) in 2000, it was removed from the FTO list on October 5, 2001.
RWANDA
NAME: Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR), a.k.a. Interahamwe, Former Armed Forces (ex-FAR)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1994.
GOALS: Topple Rwanda's Tutsi-dominated government, reinstitute Hutu control, and, possibly, complete the genocide begun in 1994.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: In 1996, a message — allegedly from the ALIR — threatened to kill the U.S. Ambassador to Rwanda and other U.S. citizens. In 1999, ALIR guerrillas critical of alleged U.S.-U.K. support for the Rwandan regime kidnapped and killed eight foreign tourists, including two U.S. citizens, at the Congo-Uganda border.
STRENGTH: Several thousand.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Mostly Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda, but a few may operate in Burundi.
AFFILIATIONS: In the Congolese war, the ALIR is allied with Kinshasa against the Rwandan invaders. From the Rwandan invasion of 1998 until his death in early 2001, the Laurent Kabila regime in the Democratic Republic of the Congo provided the ALIR with training, arms, and supplies.
COMMENTS: The FAR was the army of the Rwandan Hutu regime that carried out the genocide of 500,000 or more Tutsis and regime opponents in 1994. The Interahamwe was the civilian militia force that carried out much of the killing. The groups merged after they were forced from Rwanda into the Democratic Republic of the Congo (then-Zaire) in 1994. They are now often known as the Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR), which is the armed branch of the PALIR or Party for the Liberation of Rwanda. NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), but listed as "active" during 2000.
SIERRA LEONE
NAME: Revolutionary United Front (RUF)
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: Unknown.
GOALS: Topple the current government of Sierra Leone and retain control of the lucrative diamond-producing regions of the country.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: None directly, but held hundreds of UN peacekeepers hostage in 2000.
STRENGTH: Several thousand fighters and possibly a similar number of supporters and sympathizers.
OPERATIONA LOCATIONS: Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea.
AFFILIATIONS: President Charles Taylor of Liberia reportedly provides support and leadership to the RUF. The United Nations has identified Libya, Gambia, and Burkina Faso as conduits for weapons and other materiel for the RUF.
COMMENTS: NOT a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), but listed as "active" during 2000.
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I don't know why people don't take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them.
Nice quotable! +1
5) What I said about the terrorist’s beliefs is 100%. I remember CNN reporting it back then.
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4. You're wrong again. George Bush actually claimed that God told him to go to war.
What/where/when/how did he claim that? Can you provide a source?
(One entertaining discussion this has been so far btw.)
Yeah, it has been entertaining... his comments are quite laughable.
But here you go:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html)
There are plenty of independent news sources that report the same thing... however, the White House later denied this claim. Looking back at his rhetoric though it isn't far off from anything else he's said.
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Props Maestro +1
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Christians are the biggest hypocrites on earth. Motherfuckers are real quick to point at Muslims and call them savages and violent when they're the ones that started that shit.
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IMO anyone can call themselves Christians, it doesn’t mean that you are one, real Christians wouldn’t kill/hurt anyone, the one whom the Christianity faith is built around was never violent or encouraged violence, some of the other people who have founded/started a religion were violent/immoral therefore you can blame the religion for attacks created by its followers , if Christianity was a violent religion/taught violence then u could blame Christianity, but people like the KKK and all of these other terrorists/cults call themselves Christian (probably because they were born in a Christian state/country, baptised at birth or go to some backwards church that doesn’t teach the Bible correctly) but they are really lead by their own desires/hatred for others, if they were truly Christian (confessors of/believers in Christ, and follow the teachings of the bible correctly, and used Jesus as an example of how a Christian should act then they wouldn’t be doing these things. Christ taught “love your neighbour as thyself” “love thine enemy” I don’t think Christianity should be blamed for these so called “Christian” terrorist attacks but the people themselves - just my thoughts on the matter
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IMO anyone can call themselves Christians, it doesn’t mean that you are one, real Christians wouldn’t kill/hurt anyone, the one whom the Christianity faith is built around was never violent or encouraged violence, some of the other people who have founded/started a religion were violent/immoral therefore you can blame the religion for attacks created by its followers , if Christianity was a violent religion/taught violence then u could blame Christianity, but people like the KKK and all of these other terrorists/cults call themselves Christian (probably because they were born in a Christian state/country, baptised at birth or go to some backwards church that doesn’t teach the Bible correctly) but they are really lead by their own desires/hatred for others, if they were truly Christian (confessors of/believers in Christ, and follow the teachings of the bible correctly, and used Jesus as an example of how a Christian should act then they wouldn’t be doing these things. Christ taught “love your neighbour as thyself” “love thine enemy” I don’t think Christianity should be blamed for these so called “Christian” terrorist attacks but the people themselves - just my thoughts on the matter
Of course this only applies to Christians/Christianity.
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I didn't say it "only" applies to Christianity, I just used Christianity as an example because: A. I am a Christian and B. because the last few replies were bashing christianity, and calling these Terrorists/Cults Christians when they are just claiming the name Christian and carrying out their own desires.
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Although I did quote you, my comment was in no way directed towards you... I actually agree with what you said, and simply wanted to point out that a lot of ignorant people don't seem to be able to make that distinction when they hear about "Muslim" terrorists. Just like you said, Islam should not be blamed for these so called "Muslim" terrorist attacks but the people themselves. However, when Muslims carry out the attacks, you're sure to be informed that those who did it were in fact "Muslims". But are we ever told what religion the non-Muslim terrorists follow? No, because in those cases we (and the media) seem to do the right and blame the people themselves. Catch my drift? That was my whole point throughout this entire discussion.
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Muslim women are not allowed by law to marry someone of another religion. How backwards is that?
As for the rest of this topic, LOL @ people trying to say Christianity is as violent and oppressive as Islam. Wake the fuck up and take a look around the world you stupid idiots. Wherever there is Islam there is violence and oppression. Wherever there is Christianity there is peace and tolerance. PERIOD.
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Wherever there is Christianity there is peace and tolerance.
What about Northern Ireland?
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Wherever there is Christianity there is peace and tolerance.
What about Northern Ireland?
Who is being killed in Northern Ireland?
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Wherever there is Christianity there is peace and tolerance.
What about Northern Ireland?
Who is being killed in Northern Ireland?
So if nobody's getting killed,that means there's peace? Come on now, you should know better than that. Just because you're not dead, doesn't mean you're alive...
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We are talking about religiously motivated violence.
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Who is being killed in Northern Ireland?
Weren't you paying attention during the Troubles?
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I love multiculturalism.
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fuck this thread
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fuck this thread
Nah, fuck you.
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shut the fuck up, you fat ass white boy, go suck a dick, now tell me whats the purpose of the big ruf?
8) 8) 8)
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i think you needa get stooooned MEOW
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to have a successful relationship, you should have similar attitudes and values..
so two people that are dvout about differring religions, shouldnt be together in the first place.
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to have a successful relationship, you should have similar attitudes and values..
I don't know why you said "should" there, but can two people not admire one another, even when they differ? It's not so much the difference between people that causes trouble, but a lack of acceptance, or ununifiable viewpoints. That's not necessarily the case when two people of different religions marry.
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to have a successful relationship, you should have similar attitudes and values..
I don't know why you said "should" there, but can two people not admire one another, even when they differ? It's not so much the difference between people that causes trouble, but a lack of acceptance, or ununifiable viewpoints. That's not necessarily the case when two people of different religions marry.
how the hell could you spend the rest of your life with someone purely fuelled by admiration for different attitudes and values?
so lets say you're muslim, your wife is catholic, you want to have more than one wife, and she wants to sink piss on weekends... how will that work?
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to have a successful relationship, you should have similar attitudes and values..
I don't know why you said "should" there, but can two people not admire one another, even when they differ? It's not so much the difference between people that causes trouble, but a lack of acceptance, or ununifiable viewpoints. That's not necessarily the case when two people of different religions marry.
how the hell could you spend the rest of your life with someone purely fuelled by admiration for different attitudes and values?
so lets say you're muslim, your wife is catholic, you want to have more than one wife, and she wants to sink piss on weekends... how will that work?
Please call me a retard if that's what I am, but... You didn't put it that way in the post I quoted. You were talking about "to have a successful relationship" without specifically pointing out you were talking about religions with fundamentally ununifiable viewpoints. I simply stated that you don't necessarily need to have similar attitudes and values no matter what the case is. I can imagine a jew and a catholic perfectly getting along together. I can imagine a buddhist and a christian perfectly getting along together. However, you decided not to read this line:
It's not so much the difference between people that causes trouble, but a lack of acceptance, or ununifiable viewpoints.
(note: I said acceptance, as in tolerance.)
...Any thoughts actually related to my statement?
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My mom is a Catholic and my stepdad is a Buddhist(Peruvian Buddhist :eh:) And they plan on teaching my lil baby sister both their religions. Then they let her decide what she believes in.
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^ What about you??
Lol.
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^ What about you??
Lol.
Well my moms and stepdad didn't get together till I was around 9 or 10 so I'm a catholic. But this topic won't really matter to me because I'm only into mexican and fillipino girls with some white bitches here and there and most of them are Christian. Doesn't matter to me what kind of religion you're into, but it can't be some weird ass Scientology crap like that. But I'd fuck any bitch regardless of their race.
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But I'd fuck any bitch regardless of their race.
I mean, yeah, why be selective?
j/p lol
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^ What about you??
Lol.
Well my moms and stepdad didn't get together till I was around 9 or 10 so I'm a catholic. But this topic won't really matter to me because I'm only into mexican and fillipino girls with some white bitches here and there and most of them are Christian. Doesn't matter to me what kind of religion you're into, but it can't be some weird ass Scientology crap like that. But I'd fuck any bitch regardless of their race.
I hear you.