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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: BigSmoke on September 02, 2007, 10:47:46 AM
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My buddy and i have got into endless arguments over the fact that he thinks eminem is the greatest rapper ever, and his ryhmes are so amazing, ive tried telling him how eminem doesnt even compare to some of the pioneers, but he just doesnt seem to get it?...what would say about that?
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What does he not seem to get? The fact that Eminem was one of the greatest lyricists in the history of hip-hop, but that he can't seem to be able to find the drive to make one decent song these days, let alone a whole album of 'em?
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
LOL LOL! i agree tho...right after that he went down...the eminem show was lik ehhhhh, and encore will not be talked about :grumpy:...the shady and marshall lp's put him in discussions of greatness, but as of late...hes showed a wack side of him. which is fucking discusting!
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Which Eminem are we talking about? The current one that goes to rehab for Tylenol PM or the one that died of throat cancer in 2003?
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
LOL LOL! i agree tho...right after that he went down...the eminem show was lik ehhhhh, and encore will not be talked about :grumpy:...
You're aware that The Eminem Show came out before 8 Mile, right.
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
LOL LOL! i agree tho...right after that he went down...the eminem show was lik ehhhhh, and encore will not be talked about :grumpy:...
You're aware that The Eminem Show came out before 8 Mile, right.
wow ur right my bad...but it was around the same time...and still the eminem show was not nearly on the same level as the shady or marshall lp's
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
LOL LOL! i agree tho...right after that he went down...the eminem show was lik ehhhhh, and encore will not be talked about :grumpy:...
You're aware that The Eminem Show came out before 8 Mile, right.
wow ur right my bad...but it was around the same time...and still the eminem show was not nearly on the same level as the shady or marshall lp's
Well, personally I think The Eminem Show might be Eminem's best album from a lyrical point of view. However his topics were boring most of the time and the production was getting lame. It could have been a 5/5 classic, had Eminem had the proper environment and backing. Dude was in shape back then.
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If Eminem was shot shortly after 8Mile and GRODT, shit would be hella different now son.
LOL LOL! i agree tho...right after that he went down...the eminem show was lik ehhhhh, and encore will not be talked about :grumpy:...
You're aware that The Eminem Show came out before 8 Mile, right.
wow ur right my bad...but it was around the same time...and still the eminem show was not nearly on the same level as the shady or marshall lp's
Well, personally I think The Eminem Show might be Eminem's best album from a lyrical point of view. However his topics were boring most of the time and the production was getting lame. It could have been a 5/5 classic, had Eminem had the proper environment and backing. Dude was in shape back then.
it wasnt a bad cd...id still give a 4/5...but his lp's were easy 5/5 classics 8)
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his first two albums were of the highest order, since then he seem to be decreasing with the quality of music hes putting out
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Which Eminem are we talking about? The current one that goes to rehab for Tylenol PM or the one that died of throat cancer in 2003?
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Throat cancer? lol
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
well puke yea...kim was 10000000000000 times better lol...but u didnt lik without me? that song was pretty fuckin good
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his first two albums were of the highest order, since then he seem to be decreasing with the quality of music hes putting out
True. Although the 8 Mile stuff was excellent - among his best ever in fact. But it's unbelievable that the same dude put out stuff like the 8 Mile stuff and both the "LP's" - and then stuff like Encore and whatever he's done ever since. Off the top of my head I can think of two tracks that he shined on since falling off - "Never Enough" and "There They Go". Some cuts have been of the "meh" variety, and the rest - the majority - have been wack as fuck.
He's gotta put out something stellar to redeem himself.
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
no... but then again Em never said a rhyme like "If you're lookin for a car, I will buy you two
And if you're lookin for a pet, I'll buy a kangaroo".... and if he made a song like Mary, Mary you guys would shred him to pieces for that...
his wack stuff doesn't take away from his earlier accomplishments..... at one time he was on top of the entire rap game and he deserves credit for that... does he deserve to be bashed for his wack stuff too? sure.... but he was on top at one point...
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
no... but then again Em never said a rhyme like "If you're lookin for a car, I will buy you two
And if you're lookin for a pet, I'll buy a kangaroo".... and if he made a song like Mary, Mary you guys would shred him to pieces for that...
his wack stuff doesn't take away from his earlier accomplishments..... at one time he was on top of the entire rap game and he deserves credit for that... does he deserve to be bashed for his wack stuff too? sure.... but he was on top at one point...
eminem is one of my favs.. and i love most of his work. and he was on top at one time. but if you wanna talk about greatest rapper of all time, then consistancy has to factor in. not saying he has to top his lp's. but id lik to see this "king mathers" be better than encore and at the same level or better than the eminem show
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the greatest of all time? no... one of the greatests of his time in his prime? absolutely.... Big Daddy Kane is remembered by many as one of the best rappers because people remember his stuff like Raw... however...he had his Prince of Darkness album that sucked really really bad too... especially that wack ass duet with Barry White... and that really corny song with Spinderella....
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the greatest of all time? no... one of the greatests of his time in his prime? absolutely
co-sign
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the greatest of all time? no... one of the greatests of his time in his prime? absolutely
co-sign
Yeah he also was kinda first of hs kind to truly break out. I mean i know Vanilla, MArky MArk and some others came before him but is was realy him who broke thru as a white rapper, even today there's not even that many that are big. I think he helped hip hop grow in a sense that there's a lot more white people in hip hop I.E J.T is always doing his thing with hip hop acts now.
As far as strcily M.c Some of his earlier stuff is pure genius/classic. So if you put all this togther he;s one of the greatest of all time for sure probably in top 5 if not at least 10.
Not one of my personal favs but still.
Also you gotta rememebr the game has grown since Krs, Rakim KOol g rap, NAs, CUbe these dudes remain great but juts like these guys been outclassed and outmatched someone will outmatch the new generation too.
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the greatest of all time? no... one of the greatests of his time in his prime? absolutely
co-sign
Yeah he also was kinda first of hs kind to truly break out. I mean i know Vanilla, MArky MArk and some others came before him but is was realy him who broke thru as a white rapper, even today there's not even that many that are big. I think he helped hip hop grow in a sense that there's a lot more white people in hip hop I.E J.T is always doing his thing with hip hop acts now.
As far as strcily M.c Some of his earlier stuff is pure genius/classic. So if you put all this togther he;s one of the greatest of all time for sure probably in top 5 if not at least 10.
co-sign that too 8)
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
no... but then again Em never said a rhyme like "If you're lookin for a car, I will buy you two
And if you're lookin for a pet, I'll buy a kangaroo".... and if he made a song like Mary, Mary you guys would shred him to pieces for that...
his wack stuff doesn't take away from his earlier accomplishments..... at one time he was on top of the entire rap game and he deserves credit for that... does he deserve to be bashed for his wack stuff too? sure.... but he was on top at one point...
Haha, that rhyme was much better than any lines in Fack, Puke, Ass Like That - Have u ever listened to those songs ?
Yeah, I give Eminem credit for his earlier stuff, but he got so much potential. I listened to The Way I Am the other day, and damn I wish Em still wrote and flowed like that. But I guess all that fucking money he got after awhile done did it
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just because he has made sub-standard stuff doesn't take away from his legacy....
nobody stays on top forever.... Run-DMC is one of the greatest groups ever but they fell off with Tougher Than Leather & Back From Hell. That doesn't take away from their first album, King of Rock and Raising Hell albums though.
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Yeah, but they make horrible song like Puke, Without Me, Ass Like That, Just Lose It, Fack, Shake That. That last being the best of those.
no... but then again Em never said a rhyme like "If you're lookin for a car, I will buy you two
And if you're lookin for a pet, I'll buy a kangaroo".... and if he made a song like Mary, Mary you guys would shred him to pieces for that...
his wack stuff doesn't take away from his earlier accomplishments..... at one time he was on top of the entire rap game and he deserves credit for that... does he deserve to be bashed for his wack stuff too? sure.... but he was on top at one point...
Haha, that rhyme was much better than any lines in Fack, Puke, Ass Like That - Have u ever listened to those songs ?
Yeah, I give Eminem credit for his earlier stuff, but he got so much potential. I listened to The Way I Am the other day, and damn I wish Em still wrote and flowed like that. But I guess all that fucking money he got after awhile done did it
it was rehab that killed the beast lol
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Of course I haven't listened to those songs.... but that Run line remains one of the most retarded lines out of any rap song... buying a fucking Kangaroo for a girl that you are trying to romance? I love Run DMC but that doesn't let me be unbiased.
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Of course I haven't listened to those songs.... but that Run line remains one of the most retarded lines out of any rap song... buying a fucking Kangaroo for a girl that you are trying to romance? I love Run DMC but that doesn't let me be unbiased.
What!? U haven't heard those tracks I listed ?
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As far as songwriting skills go, "Encore" is the best hiphop album ever.
Every word on that album hits the beat, I'm not talkin' 'bout lyrics, but just writing songs, y'all go try to write on beat like how Eminem did it on that album, that shit is damn near impossible but he did it.
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Yes... I have... the Kangaroo line beats it... Bring a fuckin' Kangaroo to your girlfriend's house and see if she fucks you...
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As far as songwriting skills go, "Encore" is the best hiphop album ever.
can u run that by me again? ???
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I think kangaroos are cute :D
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I think kangaroos are cute :D
LOL LOL!
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I think kangaroos are cute :D
LMAO.. but do you want one of those big smelly things hopping around your living room and shitting all over the place?
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As far as songwriting skills go, "Encore" is the best hiphop album ever.
Every word on that album hits the beat, I'm not talkin' 'bout lyrics, but just writing songs, y'all go try to write on beat like how Eminem did it on that album, that shit is damn near impossible but he did it.
lmao....i hope nobody takes this clown seriously....eminem the best song writer ever?? encore the best song written album ever?> hahahahaha
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Yes... I have... the Kangaroo line beats it... Bring a fuckin' Kangaroo to your girlfriend's house and see if she fucks you...
Well I haven't heard that track, but eeeh:
Artist: Eminem
Album: Curtain Call - The Hits
Song: Fack
Typed by: OHHLA Webmaster DJ Flash
[Chorus: Eminem - harmonizing] + {Eminem with an Eric Cartman-esque voice}
Owww, owww, OWWWWWW {OW! GAWD DAMN!}
I'm, gonna fack-,-ing cum {OHH SHIT!}
Fack, fack, FAAAACK {FACK, I AM!}
I am, I'm going, to cum {I'M CUMING! .. OH, YES!}
[Verse One]
I never seen no chick like this
This bitch can twist like a damn contortionist
Condom on my dick, of course it is
This bitch don't know what abortion is
So I can't cum in her, fucks like a porn star
Looks like Jenna, fack I'm gonna
cum I think my rubber's comin off
But oh it's so fucking wet and soft
Fack, I'm gonna start lettin off
I'm squirting and she's not gettin off {*Em's voice keeps getting higher*}
And she's on top, I'm gonna facking
Oh God, oh don't do that
Don't stop! Stop don't, I don't mean don't stop
Ow wait a minute, ow ow, fack
I'm gonna facking cum!
[Chorus]
[Verse Two]
Ooh wow, boom that pow
Oooh ow, I need a cigarette now!
Ow I'm so facking hot
And you're so facking hot
Oh my God, I wanna facking fack
No not FUCK, I said FACK
F-A-C-K, F-A-C-K
Fack, fack fack, facking FREAK ME!
Ooh yeah girl see
baby they call me Mr. Freaky
Let's call yo' sister three-way
Have some threesome, me so haw-ny
And you're such a facking babe
I wanna go down on you - FACK YOU SHAVED! {*Em's voice goes up again*}
Oh God damn, here I go again
I'm gonna cum, I am!!
[Chorus]
[Verse Three]
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, a-be-be-be-bwa-bwa-bwa
Okay I'm done, I already came twice
You ain't gonna make me cum
I'm all out of gas, not so fast
AH, your finger just went in my ass!
OW THAT HURTS, take it out now
Ohh, wait a minute, oww
Put it back in, in in in
This don't mean I'm gay, I don't like men
I like boobs, boobs, boobs
Now see that gerbil, grab that tube
Shove it up my butt, let that lil' rascal
nibble on my asshole, uhh, yeah
Right there, right there {*Em's voice goes up*}
Ohh, I'm cuming, OHH YEAH
Fack, I just came again
Okay pull it out now, errrr!
Oh fack yeah, wait he's not out
He's still crawlin around up there
Oh fack, I think it's stuck
OW BUT IT FEELS SO FACKING GOOD!
[Chorus]
[Outro: Eminem singing]
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Eww, eww, eww eww {*music fades*}
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Yes... I have... the Kangaroo line beats it... Bring a fuckin' Kangaroo to your girlfriend's house and see if she fucks you...
Well I haven't heard that track, but eeeh:
Artist: Eminem
Album: Curtain Call - The Hits
Song: Fack
Typed by: OHHLA Webmaster DJ Flash
[Chorus: Eminem - harmonizing] + {Eminem with an Eric Cartman-esque voice}
Owww, owww, OWWWWWW {OW! GAWD DAMN!}
I'm, gonna fack-,-ing cum {OHH SHIT!}
Fack, fack, FAAAACK {FACK, I AM!}
I am, I'm going, to cum {I'M CUMING! .. OH, YES!}
[Verse One]
I never seen no chick like this
This bitch can twist like a damn contortionist
Condom on my dick, of course it is
This bitch don't know what abortion is
So I can't cum in her, fucks like a porn star
Looks like Jenna, fack I'm gonna
cum I think my rubber's comin off
But oh it's so fucking wet and soft
Fack, I'm gonna start lettin off
I'm squirting and she's not gettin off {*Em's voice keeps getting higher*}
And she's on top, I'm gonna facking
Oh God, oh don't do that
Don't stop! Stop don't, I don't mean don't stop
Ow wait a minute, ow ow, fack
I'm gonna facking cum!
[Chorus]
[Verse Two]
Ooh wow, boom that pow
Oooh ow, I need a cigarette now!
Ow I'm so facking hot
And you're so facking hot
Oh my God, I wanna facking fack
No not FUCK, I said FACK
F-A-C-K, F-A-C-K
Fack, fack fack, facking FREAK ME!
Ooh yeah girl see
baby they call me Mr. Freaky
Let's call yo' sister three-way
Have some threesome, me so haw-ny
And you're such a facking babe
I wanna go down on you - FACK YOU SHAVED! {*Em's voice goes up again*}
Oh God damn, here I go again
I'm gonna cum, I am!!
[Chorus]
[Verse Three]
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, ahahahahahammmmmm
Mamamamaaahh, a-be-be-be-bwa-bwa-bwa
Okay I'm done, I already came twice
You ain't gonna make me cum
I'm all out of gas, not so fast
AH, your finger just went in my ass!
OW THAT HURTS, take it out now
Ohh, wait a minute, oww
Put it back in, in in in
This don't mean I'm gay, I don't like men
I like boobs, boobs, boobs
Now see that gerbil, grab that tube
Shove it up my butt, let that lil' rascal
nibble on my asshole, uhh, yeah
Right there, right there {*Em's voice goes up*}
Ohh, I'm cuming, OHH YEAH
Fack, I just came again
Okay pull it out now, errrr!
Oh fack yeah, wait he's not out
He's still crawlin around up there
Oh fack, I think it's stuck
OW BUT IT FEELS SO FACKING GOOD!
[Chorus]
[Outro: Eminem singing]
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube
Shove a gerbil in your ass through a tube!
Eww, eww, eww eww {*music fades*}
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LOL that song was hilarious
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^ and that makes the difference.. the guy was doing comedy rap... 30 Days wasn't comedic...
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^ and that makes the difference.. the guy was doing comedy rap... 30 Days wasn't comedic...
Excactly, comedy rap is wack as fuck! Do it right, if don't, don't do it all..
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^ and that makes the difference.. the guy was doing comedy rap... 30 Days wasn't comedic...
tru dat
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
good question 8)
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
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Btw, Scary Movie 2 is classic 8)
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
Listen to Wierd Al's "Amish Paradise"... he will change your mind. :)
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
Listen to Wierd Al's "Amish Paradise"... he will change your mind. :)
that song was fuckin hilarious and great lol 8)
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
Listen to Wierd Al's "Amish Paradise"... he will change your mind. :)
Hell no, Wierd al can go fuck himself!
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He needs to get on a Primo beat! He would rock that shit like crazy!! I mean if he really wanted to he could do it!!
Primo said it himself in an interview, that he wanted Eminem to rock on one of his beats.. I don't think it will happen though..
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Btw, Scary Movie 2 is classic 8)
Nigga what is you talking about? I only know that joint of Em and Royce together, and that "The Sequel" Track by Royce himself on B&D. Both classics. But what you talking about?
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
Listen to Wierd Al's "Amish Paradise"... he will change your mind. :)
Hell no, Wierd al can go fuck himself!
The weirdo probably has done so already...
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yes.. but what's worse? seeing Scary Movie knowing that its corny (which makes it sort of funny) or seeing a drama and laughing at the parts that aren't suppossed to be funny... :)
Heh, I get your point. But I'd rather listen to Backstreet Boys' comeback single than comedy rap. I hate it with a passion.
Listen to Wierd Al's "Amish Paradise"... he will change your mind. :)
Hell no, Wierd al can go fuck himself!
The weirdo probably has done so already...
lol
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Btw, Scary Movie 2 is classic 8)
Nigga what is you talking about? I only know that joint of Em and Royce together, and that "The Sequel" Track by Royce himself on B&D. Both classics. But what you talking about?
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The. Movie. ?
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the greatest of all time? no... one of the greatests of his time in his prime? absolutely
co-sign
couldn't have said it any better
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Btw, Scary Movie 2 is classic 8)
Nigga what is you talking about? I only know that joint of Em and Royce together, and that "The Sequel" Track by Royce himself on B&D. Both classics. But what you talking about?
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The. Movie. ?
Whuut? You talking about motion pictures, mayne? Duh. I thought there might have been a Shady-related track called Scary Movie 2 but fuck it.
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LOL!! That post is what this slow hot boring Sunday needed...
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LOL!! That post is what this slow hot boring Sunday needed...
Mayne, now that I read your discussion with that K-Dub fella, it's obvious. But initially I just read his short comment about that Scary Movie shit, and I was like whuuuuut? Ya dig 8)
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All good man.... that was funny though. 8)
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I'd say he's one of the best to do it. Definately among the top 15.
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Btw, Scary Movie 2 is classic 8)
Nigga what is you talking about? I only know that joint of Em and Royce together, and that "The Sequel" Track by Royce himself on B&D. Both classics. But what you talking about?
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The. Movie. ?
Whuut? You talking about motion pictures, mayne? Duh. I thought there might have been a Shady-related track called Scary Movie 2 but fuck it.
Lol, i was like WTF?! :P
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As far as songwriting skills go, "Encore" is the best hiphop album ever.
Every word on that album hits the beat, I'm not talkin' 'bout lyrics, but just writing songs, y'all go try to write on beat like how Eminem did it on that album, that shit is damn near impossible but he did it.
That's because Hip Hop has next to no songwriters in that regard. As far as creating a melody in the verses hip hop has always lacked hard in that department. Eminem's album maybe one of the few that approached it on that regard, but that doesn't make it any good at all. Compare something on that album to the great songs of Cole Porter, Smokey Robinson, Burt Bacharach, or Barry Gibb abd Eminem's Encore isn't even laughable. Laughing would require more energy than Encore deserves. And as far as rap goes I'll take Warren G and Nate Dogg's Regulate or anything by Nelly before I take Encore.
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^^^ :sleep:
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he's in my top 5 of all time from his stuff he did from 97-2003. He's definetly on the list of greatest MC's of all time to live, but not the best. i still bump all his album up to his 8 mile stuff and the features he did up to 2003. i used to be anticipating anything new from Em, but now its like wateva, i might check it :-\
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^^^ :sleep:
I don't get it.
You fell asleep reading 6 sentences?
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^^^ :sleep:
I don't get it.
You fell asleep reading 6 sentences?
I fell asleep reading your same ol' same ol' anti-rap crap.
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^^^ :sleep:
I don't get it.
You fell asleep reading 6 sentences?
I fell asleep reading your same ol' same ol' anti-rap crap.
Do you disagree with what I said? It simply is not "song writing" as the poster befire me defined. Song as in sing. Can you really compare the singing or song writing of verses in any rap song to that of It's Delovely, That's What Friends Are For, My Girl, Stayin' Alive. These are melodies the average listener can remember and hum on memory. How many rap songs have have verses where the music of the rap is so indentiable the average listener could hum it for you, or even the average rap fan.
Don't blame me for not being stuck in one genre like you seem to be.
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^^^ :sleep:
I don't get it.
You fell asleep reading 6 sentences?
I fell asleep reading your same ol' same ol' anti-rap crap.
Do you disagree with what I said? It simply is not "song writing" as the poster befire me defined. Song as in sing. Can you really compare the singing or song writing of verses in any rap song to that of It's Delovely, That's What Friends Are For, My Girl, Stayin' Alive. These are melodies the average listener can remember and hum on memory. How many rap songs have have verses where the music of the rap is so indentiable the average listener could hum it for you, or even the average rap fan.
Don't blame me for not being stuck in one genre like you seem to be.
I like how you trivialize what you said to the max. Of course, singing and rapping is not the same... why do you post something like this? Ever heard of rhythm, if I may ask? Homie you used to be a good poster, but now you're trying to hard, especially when it comes to discrediting hip-hop.
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That's because Hip Hop has next to no songwriters in that regard. As far as creating a melody in the verses hip hop has always lacked hard in that department. Eminem's album maybe one of the few that approached it on that regard, but that doesn't make it any good at all. Compare something on that album to the great songs of Cole Porter, Smokey Robinson, Burt Bacharach, or Barry Gibb abd Eminem's Encore isn't even laughable. Laughing would require more energy than Encore deserves. And as far as rap goes I'll take Warren G and Nate Dogg's Regulate or anything by Nelly before I take Encore.
I'll take "Encore" over most of what Nelly did anyday.. but yeah of course a song with Nate Dogg on it is better.. but he's more a singer than a rapper so that doesn't really go in the same space by me.. and I said "hiphop album" because in other genres it's more common to write on the beats.. but to me everyone can write verses for days, but now try to write on a beat, that takes skills and talent, not many rappers can do that, so listening to "Encore" from a artist's standpoint (I rap too) it's great, but from a fan's standpoint it sucks overall, still got like 5 real good songs on it to me ("Like Toy Soldiers", "Yellow Brick Road", "Never Enough", "Spend Some Time", that's 4).. but I don't know many rappers who could write like he did on this album, that's hard, so I gotta respect that. Only other rappers I'm sure can do that too are Stram, 80 Proof, Nfluenz, 50 Cent, Problem, The D.O.C, Brooklyn, Kon Artis, Mase and Stat Quo... Maybe Hittman too.
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i hate his voice and i cant stand listening to it... but he has some tight lyrics..
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Dude should have retired after his verses on Obie album in 2003 ... it's not even the lyrics , I can't stand his voice and flow anymore .. someone needs to step up and tell him what he's doing is very wack ... all these rappers haven't a work ethic and aren't a critic of their own music .. I can"t understand Em can listen to Encore and not slappin himself
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As time passes by, Emenem's stature fall's lower & lower...IMO
25% of the earlier track's during his prime is very dated content, all his Boyband Britney stuff is wack now.
(Was wack back then too, I used to say all the time that this shit was gonna sound dated as fuck)
All the energy he devoted to his diss track's have killed his legacy..imo
that shit got boring real quick.
His great track's..
Stan
Guilty Conscience
The Way I Am
Marshall Mathers
Cleanin' Out My Closet
Lose Yourself
8 Mile
ect...
are what keep people talking about his material still.
And the Dre produced Track's, I'd bump just for the Dre beat to imagine what Snoop would have sounded like over it instead.
EM is defo somewhere in the top 50 of all-time.
but his material won't stand up to time like Pac's or B.I.G., Cube, Snoop, Rakim, Dr. Dre, Scarface, Run DMC ect..
From a EM fan, not a Stan.
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Nelly > Em ;D
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As time passes by, Emenem's stature fall's lower & lower...IMO
25% of the earlier track's during his prime is very dated content, all his Boyband Britney stuff is wack now.
(Was wack back then too, I used to say all the time that this shit was gonna sound dated as fuck)
All the energy he devoted to his diss track's have killed his legacy..imo
that shit got boring real quick.
His great track's..
Stan
Guilty Conscience
The Way I Am
Marshall Mathers
Cleanin' Out My Closet
Lose Yourself
8 Mile
ect...
are what keep people talking about his material still.
And the Dre produced Track's, I'd bump just for the Dre beat to imagine what Snoop would have sounded like over it instead.
EM is defo somewhere in the top 50 of all-time.
but his material won't stand up to time like Pac's or B.I.G., Cube, Snoop, Rakim, Dr. Dre, Scarface, Run DMC ect..
From a EM fan, not a Stan.
the majority of the beats Dre gave Eminem wouldn't had fitted Snoop at all
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^^^ :sleep:
I don't get it.
You fell asleep reading 6 sentences?
I fell asleep reading your same ol' same ol' anti-rap crap.
Do you disagree with what I said? It simply is not "song writing" as the poster befire me defined. Song as in sing. Can you really compare the singing or song writing of verses in any rap song to that of It's Delovely, That's What Friends Are For, My Girl, Stayin' Alive. These are melodies the average listener can remember and hum on memory. How many rap songs have have verses where the music of the rap is so indentiable the average listener could hum it for you, or even the average rap fan.
Don't blame me for not being stuck in one genre like you seem to be.
I like how you trivialize what you said to the max. Of course, singing and rapping is not the same... why do you post something like this? Ever heard of rhythm, if I may ask? Homie you used to be a good poster, but now you're trying to hard, especially when it comes to discrediting hip-hop.
Get over yourself. I didn't make the definition here. Dargine did. I was simply telling him it was ridiculous because rap doesn't do that. They don't write lyrics starting with musical notes. The great songswriters have the song written before the words, then they find the word to fit the note. Rap doesn't do that, and Eminem did it terribly on Encore. It's like saying Michael Jordan was better than Bird because Jordan played baseball and did it better than Bird ever could, but that doeesn't mean anything in the realm of basketball. Now Jordan may very well be better than Bird but his mediocre basball skills have nothing to do with it. Eminem is a shitty songwriter, as are most rappers, but that's got nothing to do with theiir ability to rap. Over the years I have listened to and read many different lyrics by Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, or Neil Young and the lyrics of Nas, Jay Z, or Eminem simply don't sound as good to me anymore, but I never brought that into question here. I just refuted a claim by Dargine that I disagreed with.
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Lol, so by your logic, I could say Bob Dylan is a garbage rap writer. Cool. I just don't see how such a statement would make alotta sense. You shouldn't be the one to tell people to get over themselves, your arrogance is not neglectable when it comes to music.
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Lol, so by your logic, I could say Bob Dylan is a garbage rap writer. Cool. I just don't see how such a statement would make alotta sense. You shouldn't be the one to tell people to get over themselves, your arrogance is not neglectable when it comes to music.
Since German is your first language I will go slowly for you here in english. I'm sure I'd be quite confused if you posted in German. First I never said rappers are bad at song writing. I said rap wasn't song writing. I said Eminem as far as Encore goes was bad at song writing. When other rappers decide to write more songs maybe we will be able to judge how good they are at it. Also, I never used Bob Dylan as an example of a great song writer. I used him as an example of a great lyricist. I said Cole Porter and Smokey Robinson were great song writers. And I don't know how good they'd be at writing raps since I've never heard any by them.
P.S. I consider Bob Dylan's It's Alright Ma a better written rap than anyhting I've heard in hip hop ever. And that's not me being arrogant, that's me being honest. I'd rather be seen as arrogant than become a liar.
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Lol@that nonsense.
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Top 5 all time, maybe even top 3
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Lol@that nonsense.
Do you ever really have anything to say? Blah blah, fuck religion. Blah blah blah you're arrogant, blah bah blah blah.
What is the non sense? It doesn't make any sense to not pre-judge somene's ability. Am I supposed to assume how well Jay Z could write worded melody, or how good Cole Porter could have written rap. You made assumptions about whatI had written so I cleared them up for you. Instead of responding with your thoughts you just leave it to one word attempted insults.
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Lol@that nonsense.
Do you ever really have anything to say? Blah blah, fuck religion. Blah blah blah you're arrogant, blah bah blah blah.
What is the non sense? It doesn't make any sense to not pre-judge somene's ability. Am I supposed to assume how well Jay Z could write worded melody, or how good Cole Porter could have written rap. You made assumptions about whatI had written so I cleared them up for you. Instead of responding with your thoughts you just leave it to one word attempted insults.
Mayne, you started with the insults, so I was like fuck it. And still, the thing is, Eminem and Nelly still rap, they don't sing. It's still rapping, so if they have a sort of melody that fits the beat in their raps, that's a bonus and not a "horrible attempt and songwriting"... when that Dargaine dude was like "every word hits the beat", coming up with "Cole Porter does that 1000x better" is not a natural reaction.
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Lol@that nonsense.
Do you ever really have anything to say? Blah blah, fuck religion. Blah blah blah you're arrogant, blah bah blah blah.
What is the non sense? It doesn't make any sense to not pre-judge somene's ability. Am I supposed to assume how well Jay Z could write worded melody, or how good Cole Porter could have written rap. You made assumptions about whatI had written so I cleared them up for you. Instead of responding with your thoughts you just leave it to one word attempted insults.
Mayne, you started with the insults, so I was like fuck it. And still, the thing is, Eminem and Nelly still rap, they don't sing. It's still rapping, so if they have a sort of melody that fits the beat in their raps, that's a bonus and not a "horrible attempt and songwriting"... when that Dargaine dude was like "every word hits the beat", coming up with "Cole Porter does that 1000x better" is not a natural reaction.
What insults? You completely missed my point a couple times. I didn't want to think you were an idiot so I figured maybe it was the language. I speak Greek; read, and write it. But if I were in a debate in Greek I'd probably miss a lot of points or confuse the meaning. The guy brought up "song writing" so I brought up great "song" "writers". This isn't about rapping, delivery, rhyme skills, etc. It was about song writing, and in song writing Eminem, based on Encore, sucks. As a rap record Encore sucks. It's a bad record, from the lyrics, to flow, to rhyming, to delivery, to the "song writing". And this is coming from a guy that thinks The Eminem Show may be the best records of the decade so far, and certainly one of the best. Great lyrics, great flow, great delivery, gret rhyming, and a great music to establish the meaning of the songs. That being said, as great as the album was, the song writing sucked, like on "Hailie's Song".
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Oh boy. Don't you bore yourself?
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Oh boy. Don't you bore yourself?
Sorry. I should have figured it out sooner. I've always known that I'm one of the few on this forum to actually admit when I'm wrong rather than just ignore the thread after I've been shown to be wrong. I guess it takes a while to figure out how other people admit they were wrong. Guys like Infinite and Trauma pretend the debate never happened. I guess you just make stupid remarks in jest. If you've got nothing to say then you don't have to say anything. Of course it's not the end of the world to say "sorry Peter I misinterpreted your thoughts on song writing with what I perceived as another attack on hip hop. Music isn't a big enough part of my life to explore new sounds and styles and I like just hip hop and it offends me when people attack it and I attack back with out fully thinking about it".
P.S. Have you ever listened to It's Alright Ma by Bob Dylan? Just wondering what your thoughts on it were.
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See, the difference between me and you is, I don't play insults and assumptions off as thoughtful concerns or something. The initial discussion ended when you got belligerent. From that point on, it went another into another direction, which was your choice, not mine. See, that Dargaine nigga hasn't talked just about the sung parts of Encore, I'm sure. If he has, then yes, I misinterpreted what was said. But so would you have. If your only point is that "rapping a verse" and "singing a song" is not the same, then I don't really know what to say, cause that is as obvious as is gets.
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lol.... did you guys get it all out of your systems?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is nothing in my system that needs getting out. 7even's the one with the chip on his shoulder.
See, the difference between me and you is, I don't play insults and assumptions off as thoughtful concerns or something. The initial discussion ended when you got belligerent. From that point on, it went another into another direction, which was your choice, not mine. See, that Dargaine nigga hasn't talked just about the sung parts of Encore, I'm sure. If he has, then yes, I misinterpreted what was said. But so would you have. If your only point is that "rapping a verse" and "singing a song" is not the same, then I don't really know what to say, cause that is as obvious as is gets.
Belligerent? Why because I wondered whether you understood my English? That wasn't an insult. You clearly had misinterpreted my "logic" as you called it. I tried to make it clear that Eminem is not a very good songwriter and writing raps and writing songs are often two completely different things. At times it can be both or what seems like a rap can be a song. For example what would you consider Walk This Way by Aerosmith? Rapping or singing? A lot of Encore isn't any more rapping than Walk This Way. He may not really be singing, but he is writing songs. Bob Dylan didn't really sing a lot of his songs but no one refers to him as rap. SSLP was straight rapping, and so was just about all of MMLP. Encore was singing for the most part, albeit badly, and Eminem Show and The Way Am the song were somewhere in the middle. Also, Tupac for a lot of his songs was somewhere in the middle. Just like Axl Rose on Welcome to the Jungle or HR from Bad Brains on I Against I are somewhere in the middle.
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Damn it, another thread about Eminem ruined.
Someone start another one.
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Eminem from 98 to 2003 was the greatest emcee on the planet.
Best rappers of all time...
1. 2pac
2. Eminem
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Damn it, another thread about Eminem ruined.
Someone start another one.
Sorry. I'll stay out of the next one. Promise.
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Damn it, another thread about Eminem ruined.
Someone start another one.
Sorry. I'll stay out of the next one. Promise.
+1
I appreciate that.
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Damn it, another thread about Eminem ruined.
Someone start another one.
Sorry. I'll stay out of the next one. Promise.
+1
I appreciate that.
Right back atcha. I had no idea so many Eminem threads were being ruined.
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Damn it, another thread about Eminem ruined.
Someone start another one.
Sorry. I'll stay out of the next one. Promise.
+1
I appreciate that.
Right back atcha. I had no idea so many Eminem threads were being ruined.
yeah man, its a shame, it should be a dubcc crime
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top 5
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Eminem from 98 to 2003 was the greatest emcee on the planet.
Best rappers of all time...
1. 2pac
2. Eminem
i think ima agree wit dat 8)
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Eminem from 98 to 2003 was the greatest emcee on the planet.
Best rappers of all time...
1. 2pac
2. Eminem
You mean 2Pac is dead? Really dead? ???
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Eminem from 98 to 2003 was the greatest emcee on the planet.
Best rappers of all time...
1. 2pac
2. Eminem
You mean 2Pac is dead? Really dead? ???
I could of sworn that he just released his Nu Mixx Klazzics Vol 2. Dude is so washed up! Using old lyrics and shit.
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I agree with whoever said Eminem is not best greatest ever, but he's up there when you say he was one of the best in his prime... however: Vishiss > Eminem
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Put it this way, it's one thing as fans of hip-hop to debate Eminem's skill as an MC. It's quite another thing when a reputable veteran MC like Rakim gives mad praise to Eminem. An artist as established and respected as Rakim recognizing skill of another artist is proof enough that sometimes hip-hop fans aren't your most informed critics when it comes to debating skills. It takes one to know one. So when Rakim says "Em is nasty" and "real artists recognize real artists" then case closed.
Check the video "Rakim speaks on Eminem" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfaQpBZWZk
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Put it this way, it's one thing as fans of hip-hop to debate Eminem's skill as an MC. It's quite another thing when a reputable veteran MC like Rakim gives mad praise to Eminem. An artist as established and respected as Rakim recognizing skill of another artist is proof enough that sometimes hip-hop fans aren't your most informed critics when it comes to debating skills. It takes one to know one. So when Rakim says "Em is nasty" and "real artists recognize real artists" then case closed.
Check the video "Rakim speaks on Eminem" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfaQpBZWZk
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Put it this way, it's one thing as fans of hip-hop to debate Eminem's skill as an MC. It's quite another thing when a reputable veteran MC like Rakim gives mad praise to Eminem. An artist as established and respected as Rakim recognizing skill of another artist is proof enough that sometimes hip-hop fans aren't your most informed critics when it comes to debating skills. It takes one to know one. So when Rakim says "Em is nasty" and "real artists recognize real artists" then case closed.
Check the video "Rakim speaks on Eminem" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfaQpBZWZk
Kill yourself, LOL.