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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 01, 2007, 10:20:41 AM
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Woman gives birth to own grandchildren (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_surrogate_grandmother;_ylt=AsK1TbL8yD0OuFAkC4HnNLnq188F)
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Sun Sep 30, 10:56 PM ET
SAO PAULO, Brazil - A 51-year-old surrogate mother for her daughter has given birth to her own twin grandchildren in northeastern Brazil, the delivery hospital said.
Rosinete Palmeira Serrao, a government health worker, gave birth to twin boys by Caesarean section on Thursday at the Santa Joana Hospital in the city of Recife, the hospital said in a statement on its Web site.
Hospital officials were not available for comment on Sunday, but press reports said the grandmother and twins were discharged on Saturday in excellent health. The Caesarean section was performed about two weeks ahead of time because Serrao was having trouble sleeping, the statement said.
Serrao decided to serve as a surrogate mother after four years of failed attempts at pregnancy by her 27-year-old daughter, Claudia Michelle de Brito.
Brazilian law stipulates that only close relatives can serve as surrogate mothers. De Brito is an only child and none of her cousins volunteered, so Serrao agreed to receive four embryos from her daughter.
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so did he fucka 51 year old granny?
thats disgusting
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Damn. That's some nasty shit. I blame rap music and marijuana for this.
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Damn. That's some nasty shit. I blame rap music and marijuana for this.
i blame people sagging their pants for this
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I though surrogae moms, only act or become pregnant for the purpose of gestating and giving birth to a child for others to raise.
I doubt that the said Grand Mother had sex with her son-Law.
I beleie she was implanted with the fertilized egg (gestational surrogacy).
Lets Hope she don't get to comfy and not give up the kids to her Daughter... ;D
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Damn. That's some nasty shit. I blame rap music and marijuana for this.
;D
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Nasty lol!!!
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you realise that she probably didnt fuck her son-in-law? she will have had a fertilised egg implanted, then just did the term. personally i dont think there is anything that weird, granted the options available when conceiving is such a problem
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you realise that she probably didnt fuck her son-in-law? she will have had a fertilised egg implanted, then just did the term. personally i dont think there is anything that weird, granted the options available when conceiving is such a problem
SO there's nothing weird about someone being the grandma of their daughter? LMAO.
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you realise that she probably didnt fuck her son-in-law? she will have had a fertilised egg implanted, then just did the term. personally i dont think there is anything that weird, granted the options available when conceiving is such a problem
SO there's nothing weird about someone being the grandma of their daughter? LMAO.
Well, technically it's not her daughter... This is an odd situation, but like Es-jay said I don't think this is wrong because her daughter couldn't bare children.
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^It's obviously her daughter, if she birthed her...technically.
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^how is it? the daughters egg has been fertilised by the son-in-laws sperm then it is genetically their child. the daughter's mother carried the embryos so that the 2 could actually have a child.
if you read the last sentence of the article "Brazilian law stipulates that only close relatives can serve as surrogate mothers. De Brito is an only child and none of her cousins volunteered, so Serrao agreed to receive four embryos from her daughter."
what other choice did she have other than to let her mother do it?
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^It's obviously here daughter, if she birthed her...technically.
Ok, Mr. Know-It-All.
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^It's obviously here daughter, if she birthed her...technically.
Ok, Mr. Know-It-All.
???
Delete your account again.
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^how is it? the daughters egg has been fertilised by the son-in-laws sperm then it is genetically their child. the daughter's mother carried the embryos so that the 2 could actually have a child.
if you read the last sentence of the article "Brazilian law stipulates that only close relatives can serve as surrogate mothers. De Brito is an only child and none of her cousins volunteered, so Serrao agreed to receive four embryos from her daughter."
what other choice did she have other than to let her mother do it?
What's your point? If she's the one who gave birth to the child, she's the technical mother...It's common sense.
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^It's obviously here daughter, if she birthed her...technically.
Ok, Mr. Know-It-All.
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What's that smilie for?
Do you disagree to disagree or are you just a nitwit?
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You called me "Mr-Know-It-All" because you're mad that you ain't knowin...
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^how is it? the daughters egg has been fertilised by the son-in-laws sperm then it is genetically their child. the daughter's mother carried the embryos so that the 2 could actually have a child.
if you read the last sentence of the article "Brazilian law stipulates that only close relatives can serve as surrogate mothers. De Brito is an only child and none of her cousins volunteered, so Serrao agreed to receive four embryos from her daughter."
what other choice did she have other than to let her mother do it?
What's your point? If she's the one who gave birth to the child, she's the technical mother...It's common sense.
No she was the surrogate mother. if I go in a shop and buy some eggs and give them to you, they're not your eggs. Your just holding them until I take them off you.
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The fuckin baby grew in her stomach, son...She gave birth to the baby. She is technically the real mother, by definition.
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She's the person who birthed the babies, but she's not the person who created them, so in all reality she is not the mother. She is just the person who carried them and birthed them. It was her daughers eggs, not her own.
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If I take a shit and you stick it up your ass and shit it back out, it's not your shit.
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LOL...SGV LOVES to argue against me, even if he doesn't know shit about the topic were arguing about.
From dictionary.com
moth·er 1 (mŭth'ər) Pronunciation Key
n.
A female person who is pregnant with or gives birth to a child.
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If I take a shit and you stick it up your ass and shit it back out, it's not your shit.
No...But if you ate my shit and shat it out, it would be your shit.
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also from dictionary.com
surrogate mother
–noun
1. a person who acts in the place of another person's biological mother.
2. an animal that is given another's offspring to raise.
3. Medicine/Medical. a woman who helps a couple to have a child by carrying to term an embryo conceived by the couple and transferred to her uterus, or by being inseminated with the man's sperm and either donating the embryo for transfer to the woman's uterus or carrying it to term.
Don't be stubborn now, admit you were wrong.
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LMAO @ NIK mad at me for voicing my opinion. Lets just say a white family has a black woman be the surrogate mother. She gives birth to a white baby, its obvious who's mother the baby is correct? While in all technicalities, the black woman birthed the baby, she is not the mother. The baby will have none of her dna. Will never resemble her or any family members. etc etc. She is NOT the mother. She is the woman who gave birth to the baby. This is true.
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LMAO @ NIK mad at me for voicing my opinion. Lets just say a white family has a black woman be the surrogate mother. She gives birth to a white baby, its obvious who's mother the baby is correct? While in all technicalities, the black woman birthed the baby, she is not the mother. The baby will have none of her dna. Will never resemble her or any family members. etc etc. She is NOT the mother. She is the woman who gave birth to the baby. This is true.
Dude...are you fucking arguing the English definition of mother? You sure you don't wanna take this up with Mr. Webster? Stubbornness just took a whole new meaning, bro...There is NO winning with you. I can say the sky is blue and you'll find a way to argue it...PeACe
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also from dictionary.com
surrogate mother
–noun
1. a person who acts in the place of another person's biological mother.
2. an animal that is given another's offspring to raise.
3. Medicine/Medical. a woman who helps a couple to have a child by carrying to term an embryo conceived by the couple and transferred to her uterus, or by being inseminated with the man's sperm and either donating the embryo for transfer to the woman's uterus or carrying it to term.
Don't be stubborn now, admit you were wrong.
What the fuck are you talking about...There's a reason that the word MOTHER is in "surrogate MOTHER", don't be a dickhead...She's the mother, TECHNICALLY. There's nothing to admit. Read my definition over and over until you get it...
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also from dictionary.com
surrogate mother
–noun
1. a person who acts in the place of another person's biological mother.
2. an animal that is given another's offspring to raise.
3. Medicine/Medical. a woman who helps a couple to have a child by carrying to term an embryo conceived by the couple and transferred to her uterus, or by being inseminated with the man's sperm and either donating the embryo for transfer to the woman's uterus or carrying it to term.
Don't be stubborn now, admit you were wrong.
NIK: She is a PERSON who acts in place of another person's BIOLOGICAL MOTHER.
Seriously guy, you're mistaken here. You're right she is the mother, but the correct term for her is Surrogate Mother. The Biological mother is the woman whom the eggs were derived from. Are YOU arguing the english definition? Seriously bro, I could tell you that water is wet and you would find a way to argue it.
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the daughters egg has been fertilised by the son-in-laws sperm then it is genetically their child. the daughter's mother carried the embryos so that the 2 could actually have a child.
Hmmm. That's like trying out new Speedos in your local store without wearing any underpants. Still disgusting though.
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also from dictionary.com
surrogate mother
–noun
1. a person who acts in the place of another person's biological mother.
2. an animal that is given another's offspring to raise.
3. Medicine/Medical. a woman who helps a couple to have a child by carrying to term an embryo conceived by the couple and transferred to her uterus, or by being inseminated with the man's sperm and either donating the embryo for transfer to the woman's uterus or carrying it to term.
Don't be stubborn now, admit you were wrong.
NIK: She is a PERSON who acts in place of another person's BIOLOGICAL MOTHER.
Seriously guy, you're mistaken here. You're right she is the mother, but the correct term for her is Surrogate Mother. The Biological mother is the woman whom the eggs were derived from. Are YOU arguing the english definition? Seriously bro, I could tell you that water is wet and you would find a way to argue it.
Is she not the technical mother? She's not the mother in ANY way? Answer the question. You're being stubborn. You just love arguing what I say...If it was someone else saying the same shit, you wouldn't have even replied to this thread...I'd be willing to bet anything on that.
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No. She's not the mother. She is not a mother in anyway beyond "Surrogate." Don't pull this poor me bullshit. This isn't about me, you or anyone else dude, it's about the topic. Keep it that way, please. If you feel like making this a me and you topic then make another thread about me and we can discuss anything pertaining to that in there. In here let's keep it about this lady being the surrogate mother to her grandchildren.
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who is raising the child? whos DNA is in the child? she is a SURROGATE mother, nothing more, nothing less. well, apart from being a grandmother aswell.
you dont need to continuely argue the point, it is a common thing for a surrogate to carry the embryo for the term then hand the child to the rightful mother.
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Nobody can be this stubborn.
The process she went through is number 1 on the definition for "mother".
moth·er 1 (mŭth'ər) Pronunciation Key
n.
A female person who is pregnant with or gives birth to a child.
What prominent highligheted was an entirely different form of "surrogate mother" than this bitch...LOL.
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NIK can you actually not see the difference between a surrogate mother and a regular mother?
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Nobody can be this stubborn.
hahaha
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NIK can you actually not see the difference between a surrogate mother and a regular mother?
Of course I can...but a surrogate mother who birthed the child is the technical mother...just like with adopted children. Yes, some adopted children consider their foster parents their real parents, but whoever birthed the child is the actual mom, if you go by the definition.
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NIK can you actually not see the difference between a surrogate mother and a regular mother?
Of course I can...but a surrogate mother who birthed the child is the technical mother...just like with adopted children. Yes, some adopted children consider their foster parents their real parents, but whoever birthed the child is the actual mom, if you go by the definition.
I'm adopted and the parents I have are my REAL parents. They didn't birth me, but they are my mother and father.
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^yes, and you have every right to claim them as your real parents...but I'm talking about the technical definition of mother here.
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^yes, and you have every right to claim them as your real parents...but I'm talking about the technical definition of mother here.
The word surrogate means appointed to act in the place of. She gave birth to the child and that's it. That's why she is called the "surrogate mother" and not just "mother".
I think you are by yourself on this one.
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^yes, and you have every right to claim them as your real parents...but I'm talking about the technical definition of mother here.
The word surrogate means appointed to act in the place of. She gave birth to the child and that's it. That's why she is called the "surrogate mother" and not just "mother".
I think you are by yourself on this one.
real talk
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^yes, and you have every right to claim them as your real parents...but I'm talking about the technical definition of mother here.
The word surrogate means appointed to act in the place of. She gave birth to the child and that's it. That's why she is called the "surrogate mother" and not just "mother".
I think you are by yourself on this one.
Like I said, if you go by the definition, the real mother is the one who births you, whether you're adopted, or whatever it may be, the real mother is the one who gives you birth, BY DEFINITION...Not by my definition, but by the ENGLISH DEFINITION. So no, I'm not "alone" on this one, I'm not even in on this one, I'm just passing on the info that I know to those who are uninformed...PeACe
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Nobody can be this stubborn.
The irony of that just shattered my brain.
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^Is the dictionary being stubborn too? LOL. :grumpy:
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^yes, and you have every right to claim them as your real parents...but I'm talking about the technical definition of mother here.
The word surrogate means appointed to act in the place of. She gave birth to the child and that's it. That's why she is called the "surrogate mother" and not just "mother".
I think you are by yourself on this one.
Like I said, if you go by the definition, the real mother is the one who births you, whether you're adopted, or whatever it may be, the real mother is the one who gives you birth, BY DEFINITION...Not by my definition, but by the ENGLISH DEFINITION. So no, I'm not "alone" on this one, I'm not even in on this one, I'm just passing on the info that I know to those who are uninformed...PeACe
::) You just love being difficult. By definition, "surrogate mother" is exactly what that woman is. The prefix "surrogate" correctly identifies the woman and the role she played in the baby's life.
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NIK, not only did you post a definition from an American Dictionary (yeh, i know) but also the definition that is 3/4 the way down the page.
the fact that the baby will have the DNA from the father and the REAL mother makes it clear who is the mother of the child, it doesnt matter who gave birth to it. she housed an embryo for 9months and gave birth to it, that does not make her the mother...
let it go man, your wrong. accept it.
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lol only in the northeast
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You guys can argue all you want, the fact is, a TRUE mother, by definition, is a female who births a child. Just like Low Key is tryna say that they added the word "surrogate" for a reason, they also added the word "foster" for a reason as well...PeACe
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You guys can argue all you want, the fact is, a TRUE mother, by definition, is a female who births a child. Just like Low Key is tryna say that they added the word "surrogate" for a reason, they also added the word "foster" for a reason as well...PeACe
And? Foster parents are temporary parents until adoption, just as a surrogate mother is just a way to bring the child into this world, but the real mother is the woman's daughter. If everyone thought it was all good to just call the woman the mother, why would anyone even bother coming up with the word surrogate? Obviously there is a difference, and the word was created to make that point.
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^Still, they are not your biological parents. Is the girl who got custody of the child the biological mother in this case? A biological mother is technically the female who births the child...PeACe
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giving birth doesn't make you a mom, to me a true mother is the person who raises you. my aunt took in my cousin's bestfriend, who's black, and til this day he calls my aunt "mom" he doesn't consider the person who gave birth to him as his mother.
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giving birth doesn't make you a mom, to me a true mother is the person who raises you. my aunt took in my cousin's bestfriend, who's black, and til this day he calls my aunt "mom" he doesn't consider the person who gave birth to him as his mother.
yea like that quote
any guy can be a father but it takes a man to be a dad or some shit
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^Still, they are not your biological parents. Is the girl who got custody of the child the biological mother in this case? A biological mother is technically the female who births the child...PeACe
You are trying to corrilate me being adopted with something completely seperate. The woman couldn't have children used her egg and her husband's sperm to create an embryo. At that point, that makes them the biological parents. Biology is what you are made up of. The kid isn't from the grandmother's DNA, therefore she isn't the biological mother.
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LOL@thinking that growing and developing in someone has no affect on the fetus.
The term biological mother is used to describe the mother who birthed the child. It was on wikipedia yesterday, but one of you stubborn cats deleted it.
And aren't you the one who came in here and said that you were adopted, but consider your mom and dad your real parents? I was just explaining to you the difference between biological parents and what a person may consider their true parents...PeACe
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My life as a surrogate mother
By Jo Carlowe
She's had eight children and given three of them away. Here she tells gomamatoday her story, very matter-of-factly...
Lorraine Reid, 39, is married and her own children are aged between six and 17.
How and why did you become a surrogate?
- I read about surrogacy when I was pregnant with my fourth child. I liked being pregnant and wanted to help childless couples so I got in touch with COTS (the UK's surrogacy organisation).The first couple had been trying for a baby for 10 years. The procedure was straightforward. I inseminated myself with a syringe. The sperm came from the husband and I provided the egg. The mother lived nearby so she came round when I did the pregnancy test. When she saw it was positive she was hysterical – laughing and crying.
So you are the biological mother?
- Yes, of both the first and second surrogate children, but the third [born in September 2006] involved an embryo transfer from the mother. So she is the biological mother.
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NIK you're wrong on this one.. SGV and the others are right..
It's the daughters eggs so she is the biological mother..
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NIK, do you have paypal or anything?
How about everybody here sends you some money and you can buy a big mirror and argue with yourself for a couple of hours before you log in here.
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LOL@thinking that growing and developing in someone has no affect on the fetus.
The term biological mother is used to describe the mother who birthed the child. It was on wikipedia yesterday, but one of you stubborn cats deleted it.
And aren't you the one who came in here and said that you were adopted, but consider your mom and dad your real parents? I was just explaining to you the difference between biological parents and what a person may consider their true parents...PeACe
I have biological parents I have never met before. I was in foster care until I was 3 months old, then my real parents got me. That is why they are my REAL parents. They raised me and love me. They are not my biological parents because I am not from their DNA. I know exactly what biological parents are. Being adopted and having a surrogate mother are two completely different things.
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biological parent
–noun a parent who has conceived (biological mother) or sired (biological father) rather than adopted a child and whose genes are therefore transmitted to the child.
www.dictionary.com
Now lets look up conceive, shall we?
con·ceive /kənˈsiv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-seev] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -ceived, -ceiv·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2. to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
3. to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.
4. to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for music.
5. to express, as in words.
6. to become pregnant with.
www.dictionary.com
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Now let's look up "assisted conception":
• Surrogacy: another woman carries your embryo, or a donor embryo, to term and gives the baby to you after birth.
More recently, sophisticated assisted conception treatments have made it possible for a surrogate to carry a baby that is completely the biological child of the infertile couple. This is achieved by using an embryo conceived through in vitro fertilisation (IVF) or a similar method, and is known as partial, gestational, or host IVF surrogacy. It is also possible for a surrogate to carry a donated embryo to term.
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^^I refuse to believe that growing and developing in someone doesn't have an affect on who you are. Keep reading them definitions, bro.
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The goalposts just moved.
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^^I refuse to believe that growing and developing in someone doesn't have an affect on who you are. Keep reading them definitions, bro.
But you call us stubborn?
Surrogate Mother: A woman who carries and gives birth to the child of another woman[/size], who is usually infertile, by way of a pre-arranged legal contract.
http://glossary.adoption.com/surrogate-mother.html
a woman who carries and gives birth to a baby on behalf of another woman, especially one who becomes pregnant by artificial insemination with sperm from the other woman's partner or by the implantation of an egg taken from the other woman and fertilized in vitro with her partner's sperm.
http://www.allwords.com/word-surrogate%20mother.html
Definition and Types of Surrogacy
by: Jenn Z.
A surrogate mother is a woman who carries a child for someone else, usually an infertile couple. There are two different types of surrogacy. They are traditional surrogacy and gestational surrogacy. Explanations for both types can be found below.
Traditional Surrogacy
In traditional surrogacy, the surrogate mother is artificially inseminated with the sperm of the intended father or sperm donor. The surrogate's own egg will be used, thus she will be the genetic mother of the resulting child.
Usually, the intended father's name is put directly on the birth certificate and the intended mother will need to do a step-parent adoption, however, laws regarding this issue vary from state to state. Consult a lawyer who is knowledgable about surrogacy laws in your state to learn more.
Gestational Surrogacy (NIK: This what took place in this case with the grandmother and her daughter)
In a gestational surrogacy, the surrogate mother is not genetically related to the child. Eggs are extracted from the intended mother or egg donor and mixed with sperm from the intended father or sperm donor in vitro. The embryos are then transferred into the surrogate's uterus. Embryos which are not transferred may be frozen and used for transfer at a later time if the first transfer does not result in pregnancy.
In many areas, the intended parents may petition the court during the third trimester of pregnancy to have both of their names placed directly on the birth certificate, however, laws regarding this issue vary from state to state. Consult a lawyer who is knowledgable about surrogacy laws in your state to learn more.
http://www.surromomsonline.com/articles/define.htm
a woman who gives birth to a child not her own, with the intent to give that child up to at least one of the biological parents once it is born
http://www.ninjawords.com/surrogate%20mother
Are you saying ALL of these sources are wrong? What you're looking up is a specific definition. But its not pertaining to this specific case. In this case, birthing the child does NOT constitute the woman as the mother. The only stubborn one here is YOU. You're mistaken in this case.
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I stand corrected...But it's still hard for me to believe that having a fetus grow in you for 9 months and birthing that fetus doesn't give you any mother credentials.. ...I'd imagine that the baby gets a lot from the person it develops in...I bet this is controversial.
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Ummm I'm not sure what growing in a womans stomach does for a baby. I guess that MIGHT be a possibility. But I wouldn't know exactly how... I'm sure the DNA from the biological parents would have the most, if not all, of the influence on the baby.
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^^I refuse to believe that growing and developing in someone doesn't have an affect on who you are. Keep reading them definitions, bro.
In human reproduction, only a sperm and an egg shell determine your genetic inheritance, nothing else. A fertilized egg shell has the needed genetic information to build a new individual, it needs only oxygen and nutriment to develop. In uterus, a fetus, and its previous forms, gets oxygen and nutriment through a biblical cord. Oxygen and nutriment are environmental factors, which right amount determine how healthy is the baby to be born. They have no affect on what kind of colour your hair is to be etc.
I hope this helps.
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I stand corrected...But it's still hard for me to believe that having a fetus grow in you for 9 months and birthing that fetus doesn't give you any mother credentials.. ...I'd imagine that the baby gets a lot from the person it develops in...I bet this is controversial.
woah, are you saying that you are wrong??
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I stand corrected...But it's still hard for me to believe that having a fetus grow in you for 9 months and birthing that fetus doesn't give you any mother credentials.. ...I'd imagine that the baby gets a lot from the person it develops in...I bet this is controversial.
woah, are you saying that you are wrong??
I was wrong to say that birthing a child of someone else makes you the sole biological parent (I don't even know if I really said that, though), but I refuse to believe that growing/developing in someone has no affect on the fetus. What you feed it, the moods you're in, the way you're built, etc... all that factors in with the development of the baby, making the carrier the mother in some way, at least. It's not a simple topic, this isn't even incorporated into definitions, since "surrogate mother", as we know it, is something completely different...PeACe
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thats ill he got to smash his wife and her momma with no strain on the relationship
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thats ill he got to smash his wife and her momma with no strain on the relationship
no he didnt. did you read the article?