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Title: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 08:18:58 PM
because tomorrows my last day of college   
 8)
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 03, 2007, 09:32:53 PM
dude dont' be a nigger.

Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 09:38:24 PM
dude dont' be a nigger.
LMAO!!
i cant believe u just said that


but nah
im gona explore some different career options
ya dig
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Bay Area Jat on October 03, 2007, 09:55:25 PM
u should be able to go to school and explore other career options at the same time.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Hey Ma on October 03, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
dude dont' be a nigger.



lol wowww that was extremely racist. boo!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 03, 2007, 10:00:45 PM
it was for shock value . don't worry im' not racist.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 10:02:11 PM
u should be able to go to school and explore other career options at the same time.
different college options, i aint tryin to work yet
no body wanna hire a 17 year old

san jose state
western career college
SF state
and this one other place im checkin out
iono yet
but this community college thing aint workin out
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Hey Ma on October 03, 2007, 10:03:38 PM
u should be able to go to school and explore other career options at the same time.
different college options, i aint tryin to work yet
no body wanna hire a 17 year old

san jose state
western career college
SF state
and this one other place im checkin out
iono yet
but this community college thing aint workin out

i used to live in san jose, sj state is hella cool if u dont mind being around thousands of asians. they have different outlooks on things. you get to watch them run everywhere even if its just getting up to sharpen their pencil. hilarious!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Bay Area Jat on October 03, 2007, 10:06:17 PM
all those options are cool except for western career college. dont go to a school wit commercials like the ones they got
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Sparegeez on October 03, 2007, 10:06:59 PM
Swanging why don't you tell the dubcc peeps the great choice you made when you declined a scholarship to a great university?

I'm sure they won't call you a dumbass :D
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 10:08:01 PM
Swanging why don't you tell the dubcc peeps the great choice you made when you declined a scholarship to a great university?

I'm sure they won't call you a dumbass :D
lol
stfu
i wouldnt be as ripped as i am if i didnt make that decision
ya dig
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 10:09:01 PM
all those options are cool except for western career college. dont go to a school wit commercials like the ones they got
westerrrrn careeeeeeeer collllege
you can do it !!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: AnybodyKilla on October 03, 2007, 10:14:11 PM
Kanye was right about what?
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 10:15:44 PM
Kanye was right about what?
you dont need college to be suxsesfull
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: AnybodyKilla on October 03, 2007, 10:16:48 PM
Kanye was right about what?
you dont need college to be suxsesfull

You dont really lol, go do a hands on job, lots of hard work but pays good lol!!!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Sparegeez on October 03, 2007, 10:24:32 PM
Swanging why don't you tell the dubcc peeps the great choice you made when you declined a scholarship to a great university?

I'm sure they won't call you a dumbass :D
lol
stfu
i wouldnt be as ripped as i am if i didnt make that decision
ya dig

Yeah and you wouldn't be as fucked if you did make that decision.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 10:30:41 PM
Swanging why don't you tell the dubcc peeps the great choice you made when you declined a scholarship to a great university?

I'm sure they won't call you a dumbass :D
lol
stfu
i wouldnt be as ripped as i am if i didnt make that decision
ya dig

Yeah and you wouldn't be as fucked if you did make that decision.
true true
+1
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 03, 2007, 11:46:49 PM
dude dont' be a nigger.


wow
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 03, 2007, 11:48:38 PM
dude dont' be a nigger.


wow
lol
he was kidding
i found it pretty funny lol
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 04, 2007, 03:29:19 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: es-jay on October 04, 2007, 09:00:17 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 04, 2007, 09:07:53 AM
bout to go drop my classes
feels better then when i droped my psych class
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Man On The Moon on October 04, 2007, 09:33:49 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T

Oh, be quiet, you BEANER!!!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 04, 2007, 10:20:08 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Oh please shut the fuck up with that.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 12:17:29 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Oh please shut the fuck up with that.


you're right.

all hail hip hop

hip hop is always right

all other cultures and scenes are uncool

black people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charity

be real, man

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 08:53:21 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Oh please shut the fuck up with that.


you're right.

all hail hip hop

hip hop is always right

all other cultures and scenes are uncool

black people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charity

be real, man

-T
Like what the fuck are you talking about? I really don't understand people thought process now of days. You make no fucking sense, like what made you type all that nonsense. Lay off the drugs man for real. People want to say stupid shit, and then when someones like "Oh what the fuck", people want to say Oh its nothing big deal or its for shock. Dont say stupid shit in the first place and everything can be avoided.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 09:37:29 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Oh please shut the fuck up with that.


you're right.

all hail hip hop

hip hop is always right

all other cultures and scenes are uncool

black people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charity

be real, man

-T
Like what the fuck are you talking about? I really don't understand people thought process now of days. You make no fucking sense, like what made you type all that nonsense. Lay off the drugs man for real. People want to say stupid shit, and then when someones like "Oh what the fuck", people want to say Oh its nothing big deal or its for shock. You say stupid shit in the first place and everything can be avoided.

Fuck this shit totally didn't post the big ass response I wrote...fuck this glitchy ass forum...

sigh....here it goes again, *ahem*

Swangbang announced that he was going to drop out of college.

jacob said 'don't be a nigger' in response to this. He meant by that, don't be one of the negative statistics that conservatives/non hip hop people constantly throw at the hip hop culture/blacks. Don't be one of the people that brings your race/people down. Don't be the stereotype that blacks are so often accused of. Don't be part of the problem.

Instead of looking at the meaning of what he was saying, people looked at the words he used. Which is ironic I think because hip hop afficionados often get frustrated with people that don't understand hip hop saying "oh all rappers do is cuss" and not looking at the things the rapper is actully saying.

I was commenting on the fact that people were jumping all over Jake for the use of a word while swangbang may actually do something detrimental to himself or whatever group he may affiliate himself with.

You, instead of presenting a contradictory idea, just said 'shut the fuck up'. I could only assume you mean don't diss hip hop since you gave me so little to go off. Nothing is sacred, no culture is perfect and the idea that hip hop is some sacred thing that i can't talk about is ridiculous.

the word 'nigger' often blinds people because it's so controversial in american culture and makes them not think straight. people go off any use it by a non black person, but think before you react. think before you speak. what jake said was perfectly benign and harmless.

Maybe i was wrong about what you mean boywolf, but given that you gave me so little that's the only conclusion i could come to. Make sense?

Perhaps next time you'll discuss the issues you have with my statements instead of just spouting a rude one liner and expecting every one to be okay and in agreement with that.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Tanjint is extremely judgemental.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Man On The Moon on October 05, 2007, 10:11:58 AM
Tanjint is extremely judgemental.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:18:56 AM
Jake gets roasted for the use of one word and I'm judgmental?

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:19:48 AM
I just expect more from people and would like to see hip hop get as much respect as other art scenes and cultures. and in order to succesfully do that, we have to honestly assess the problems with the culture.

would y'all rather see Oprah continue to roast rappers on national television convincing millions at a time that it's not a valid genre/artform?

I don't say this shit just to be brutal/harsh/mean. I'd like to see that shit stop.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Man On The Moon on October 05, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
What the fuck does Jake saying the word "nigger" have to do with Hip Hop culture?
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:23:32 AM
the way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.
it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.

it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.

so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.


-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:25:06 AM
Jake gets roasted for the use of one word and I'm judgmental?

-T


I'm not talking about this thread, homie...
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Man On The Moon on October 05, 2007, 10:25:49 AM
So you're going to judge a whole culture by the way people on the internet act?
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:27:36 AM
I just expect more from people and would like to see hip hop get as much respect as other art scenes and cultures. and in order to succesfully do that, we have to honestly assess the problems with the culture.

would y'all rather see Oprah continue to roast rappers on national television convincing millions at a time that it's not a valid genre/artform?

I don't say this shit just to be brutal/harsh/mean. I'd like to see that shit stop.

-T


No, but it's even worse when you come with an Oprahesque mind-state on here, and start spewing nonsense about how and why other people look down upon hip-hop...I can find you just as much garbage in any other genre (besides maybe classical and jazz)...but seriously, the only thing that's wrong with hip-hop is the mainstream presentation, not the mind-state of the true heads...not by a long shot...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:29:37 AM
this is but one example.

but yeah you're right, there are cats like Murs and other intelligent cats that are way more open minded and positive and accepting and intelligent in hip hop but I don't see the wide majority of the culture's followers having opinions in line with that kind of thinking as much as I see people having thinking in common with the chauvinistic gangster rap.

Point being, there's alot of cats that exude that ignorance that are bringing the whole movement/culture down and the more we can curb that, the better.

So yeah you're right it ain't the whole culture. but enough of it so that it's an observable problem/trend.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:31:01 AM
the way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.
it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.

it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.

so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.


-T


So what? Rock fans get offended if you say "Kurt Kobane sucks"...open your mind and stop making everything an "all my friends think rap is immature" thing. Many grown black people who hate hip-hop woulda' been offended by what Jake just said...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:31:59 AM
this is but one example.

but yeah you're right, there are cats like Murs and other intelligent cats that are way more open minded and positive and accepting and intelligent in hip hop but I don't see the wide majority of the culture's followers having opinions in line with that kind of thinking as much as I see people having thinking in common with the chauvinistic gangster rap.

Point being, there's alot of cats that exude that ignorance that are bringing the whole movement/culture down and the more we can curb that, the better.

So yeah you're right it ain't the whole culture. but enough of it so that it's an observable problem/trend.

-T


Yea? And what culture is not like that?...

Not everyone can be a gem, homie...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Man On The Moon on October 05, 2007, 10:32:31 AM
Tanj, you're a cool dude, and the homie, but I need to tell you these two things.

1. Lighten up!

2. You can't save the world!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:33:21 AM
^^For number 2, I wouldn't say that, cuz he can definitely aid in saving the world...but yea, Tanjint, you sometimes need to look at things with a more open mind, IMO...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:33:52 AM
the way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.
it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.

it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.

so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.


-T


So what? Rock fans get offended if you say "Kurt Kobane sucks"...open your mind and stop making everything an "all my friends think rap is immature" thing. Many grown black people who hate hip-hop woulda' been offended by what Jake just said...PeACe

I think those same grown black people would be even more offended by swangbang dropping out of school.

and that's my whole thing, the fact that Jake's comment and not swangbang's decision is the issue of discussion/problem here. Priorities hella fucked up. Like buying some rims instead of some land.

and yeah if you're okay with true heads being it and the positive aspects of hip hop being virtually a secret, then cool but if we can make true heads the predominate population of the culture, then fuck...imagine all the good it would do. on an artistic and educational level if nothing else.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:35:04 AM


1. Lighten up!



tell that to the impulsive cats who roasted Jake for a word without looking at what he meant

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
this is but one example.

but yeah you're right, there are cats like Murs and other intelligent cats that are way more open minded and positive and accepting and intelligent in hip hop but I don't see the wide majority of the culture's followers having opinions in line with that kind of thinking as much as I see people having thinking in common with the chauvinistic gangster rap.

Point being, there's alot of cats that exude that ignorance that are bringing the whole movement/culture down and the more we can curb that, the better.

So yeah you're right it ain't the whole culture. but enough of it so that it's an observable problem/trend.

-T


Yea? And what culture is not like that?...

Not everyone can be a gem, homie...PeACe

all cultures have problems but most of them's existence are respected.

hip hop has gotten so disseminated into something digestible to the lowest common denominator that it's not even a universally respected genre. there are still debates as to if it's art, if it causes problems, if it's a dumb/negative thing...etc.

and I know that it is art and the problems are not the artforms fault etc. but we, as a culture, are doing a poor job of convincing the world of that. and this has real ramifications:

a)kids can't wear tupac shirts at school
b)there's less college courses/educational programs in regards to it then there is other art forms
c)censorship
d)real artists can't make a living and thus have to stop being artists and get jobs.

all that shit hurts the culture. we can be better than that.

or if we can't, then stop bitching about it when cnn and bill o reilly roast that shit.

I see people here bitch about how hip hop gets roasted and then they act ignorant as fuck and i'm like 'wtf did you expect? acting like that...' and I'd just like to see either the bitching or the roasting stop.

I guess people really don't like change/would rather rest on their laurels.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:43:35 AM
oh and rik and nik. you don't need to clarify that you're cool with me when we contradict each other. the fact that we don't slip into 'fuck you!' while we argue says it all.  8)


-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:47:23 AM
and I guess anothe reason i get pissed about it is cause Kanye really pisses me off.

Like, I give him a solid B as a producer you know? But otherwise I hate that he glorifies dropping out of college to a race of people that America has gone out of its way for to get into college through affirmative action and scholarship programs. A race of people that is statistically among the most uneducated and socieconomically suffering in the nation. A race of people that constantly bitches about being oppressed but then buys into this drop out of college shit.

and othe races do it too, no doubt. I've often felt that since the 70s, minorities oppress themselves.

I also hate Kanye cause he said "George Bush does not care about black people" because he could have made SUCH a great statement if he said "George Bush does not care about POOR people" but he went for the lowest common denominator and just sounded like every other rapper out there. such a great oppurtunity squandered.
that quote is famous, it could have been doubly and effectively famous.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 10:49:30 AM
the way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.
it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.

it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.

so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.


-T


So what? Rock fans get offended if you say "Kurt Kobane sucks"...open your mind and stop making everything an "all my friends think rap is immature" thing. Many grown black people who hate hip-hop woulda' been offended by what Jake just said...PeACe

I think those same grown black people would be even more offended by swangbang dropping out of school.

and that's my whole thing, the fact that Jake's comment and not swangbang's decision is the issue of discussion/problem here. Priorities hella fucked up. Like buying some rims instead of some land.

and yeah if you're okay with true heads being it and the positive aspects of hip hop being virtually a secret, then cool but if we can make true heads the predominate population of the culture, then fuck...imagine all the good it would do. on an artistic and educational level if nothing else.

-T



I highly, HIGHLY doubt that...why should someone be offended by swangin's personal life choices? That's his decision. Jake saying "nigger" has a lot more shock-value, hence people concentrating more on that...it woulda been the same thing on a black jazz message board or old school soul...trust that...as for making real hip-hop the pop representation of the genre, I've been on that for some time...it would take a whole lot of rebuilding, though...But I'm down with the underground mind-state, so don't trip if ignorance prevails. the whole worlds been like that for some time now...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:54:05 AM
i'm not trying to roast swangbang cause

a)it's his decision
b)you can still definitely succeed without schooling

but I'm just saying, that should be more of a concern than the words jake uses to make his point.

especially on a board like this where people bash gays and jews endlessly. the nerve of those same fucks to be like 'fuck you for saying nigger!' is infuriatingly hypocritical.

and yeah soul/jazz cats would be pissed at the nigger usage but I bet they would first focus on the decision of the young man that came to them talking about dropping out of college. priorities.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: swangin and bangin on October 05, 2007, 10:57:52 AM
im going to a medical place to see if i can get a spot in their 10 month medical program

see ya
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 05, 2007, 11:03:38 AM
i'm not trying to roast swangbang cause

a)it's his decision
b)you can still definitely succeed without schooling

but I'm just saying, that should be more of a concern than the words jake uses to make his point.

especially on a board like this where people bash gays and jews endlessly. the nerve of those same fucks to be like 'fuck you for saying nigger!' is infuriatingly hypocritical.

and yeah soul/jazz cats would be pissed at the nigger usage but I bet they would first focus on the decision of the young man that came to them talking about dropping out of college. priorities.

-T


A lot of the people on here are dumbfucks...you can't blame that on hip-hop...I get your point to the fullest, but I think you're concentrating your frustrations on the wrong things, like the way you present your point on this message board usually makes it seem as if you're extremely angry over something petty as fuck...hip-hop culture definitely has been tarnished, but if we focus on the positives, it's much easier to build them...PeACe
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
fair enough.

like felt II

actually, i haven't seen you in the felt II thread if i recall...you heard that shit?

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 11:36:46 AM
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?

more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes

-T
Oh please shut the fuck up with that.


you're right.

all hail hip hop

hip hop is always right

all other cultures and scenes are uncool

black people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charity

be real, man

-T
Like what the fuck are you talking about? I really don't understand people thought process now of days. You make no fucking sense, like what made you type all that nonsense. Lay off the drugs man for real. People want to say stupid shit, and then when someones like "Oh what the fuck", people want to say Oh its nothing big deal or its for shock. You say stupid shit in the first place and everything can be avoided.

Fuck this shit totally didn't post the big ass response I wrote...fuck this glitchy ass forum...

sigh....here it goes again, *ahem*

Swangbang announced that he was going to drop out of college.

jacob said 'don't be a nigger' in response to this. He meant by that, don't be one of the negative statistics that conservatives/non hip hop people constantly throw at the hip hop culture/blacks. Don't be one of the people that brings your race/people down. Don't be the stereotype that blacks are so often accused of. Don't be part of the problem.

Instead of looking at the meaning of what he was saying, people looked at the words he used. Which is ironic I think because hip hop afficionados often get frustrated with people that don't understand hip hop saying "oh all rappers do is cuss" and not looking at the things the rapper is actully saying.

I was commenting on the fact that people were jumping all over Jake for the use of a word while swangbang may actually do something detrimental to himself or whatever group he may affiliate himself with.

You, instead of presenting a contradictory idea, just said 'shut the fuck up'. I could only assume you mean don't diss hip hop since you gave me so little to go off. Nothing is sacred, no culture is perfect and the idea that hip hop is some sacred thing that i can't talk about is ridiculous.

the word 'nigger' often blinds people because it's so controversial in american culture and makes them not think straight. people go off any use it by a non black person, but think before you react. think before you speak. what jake said was perfectly benign and harmless.

Maybe i was wrong about what you mean boywolf, but given that you gave me so little that's the only conclusion i could come to. Make sense?

Perhaps next time you'll discuss the issues you have with my statements instead of just spouting a rude one liner and expecting every one to be okay and in agreement with that.

-T
I see what your trying to say but I believe were all educated. So if by saying don't be nigger is supposed to be a way of not becoming a statistic etc., why not just say don't be a statistic or fit the negative sterotypes-its that simple. But no people always want to borderline /controversial stuff and then want to come up with a reasonable explanation for why they said, as if it would make things clear, cmon man. Thats just ignorant and if thats that person way of expressing his self when it comes to issues like that Wow.
Also, what did hip hop have to do with anything?
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 11:43:58 AM
i thought we were all hip hop heads here.

i love how everyone is old school, been listening to rap for year, live the hip hop culture, embrace the art etc etc but as soon as something negative comes about 'oh what? i have nothing to do with hip hop'

but to be clearer, these opinions and reactions are coming from hip hop fans. it's the only commonality we can be sure of actually, well that and the fact that we're probably all dudes(but even that speaks to hip hop's demographic). anyway, it says something about the people of that culture if most of them react a certain way to certain things. and it matches up with hip hop associated people and artists i've observed outside of the internet.


furthermore, I agree that I wouldn't have phrased what jacob said in that way...that's why it wasn't me saying it. i wouldn't say shit like that, but i don't think jake deserves all this hate for it and I think swangbang's decision should be a higher priority of discussion than bashing jake for some shit that most of you do to gays/jews on a regular basis anyway.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 12:42:02 PM
i thought we were all hip hop heads here.

i love how everyone is old school, been listening to rap for year, live the hip hop culture, embrace the art etc etc but as soon as something negative comes about 'oh what? i have nothing to do with hip hop'

but to be clearer, these opinions and reactions are coming from hip hop fans. it's the only commonality we can be sure of actually, well that and the fact that we're probably all dudes(but even that speaks to hip hop's demographic). anyway, it says something about the people of that culture if most of them react a certain way to certain things. and it matches up with hip hop associated people and artists i've observed outside of the internet.


furthermore, I agree that I wouldn't have phrased what jacob said in that way...that's why it wasn't me saying it. i wouldn't say shit like that, but i don't think jake deserves all this hate for it and I think swangbang's decision should be a higher priority of discussion than bashing jake for some shit that most of you do to gays/jews on a regular basis anyway.

-T
Man you totally losing me on with tying in hip-hop with all this. I'm really not seeing the connect but whatever maybe its just me
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Smoke Break on October 05, 2007, 01:08:13 PM
But when someone says nigger it is extremely offensive and especially coming from someone who does not know what we went through as blacks of having to hear that degrading us all those years.

This i've never understood, how can something that happened to ancestors somehow collectively effect you mentally? If you weren't living through that shit then that shit is not a factor for you. Beyond that, it's hilarious that people now think that being called a nigger was the most degrading thing they experienced.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: WestCoasta on October 05, 2007, 01:09:47 PM
sure nigger is a strong word and people shouldn't use it, but don't be such a pussy when you hear it

"I'm offended"  you sound like a bitch
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:17:09 PM
sure nigger is a strong word and people shouldn't use it, but don't be such a pussy when you hear it

"I'm offended"  you sound like a bitch

LMMFAO!
+1

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 02:08:23 PM
also, my thing is that i'm not judgmental. I accept all kinds of people so it bugs me when gays, jews, and people likie Jake that dare to be politically incorrect get hated on

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:20:30 AM
first off i just want to say. thanks tanj for having my back on this

second i want to say everyone jump off tanj, he's a smart dude, i never expected anyone to get what i was saying in my post...weird. must be a mexican thing lol. but seriously people


third..it's just a fucking WORD. and yes i said it, and i've said it to and in front of black people....and guess what i've walked away from the experience 1) alive 2) with a new black friend . in no way was i being racist when i said it. but i think it's fucking SILLY that someone can get so hyped up about a word no matter how demeaning it is. because lets face it and black people will be the first to tell you this (peep any comedic performance) there's an underbelly to every race.

1) white people- Hicks, hillbillies, red necks
2) latinos- spics, paisas, wet backs
3) woman - bitches
4) black people........dun dah daaaaaaaaah- nigggggggggers

these people exist and fulfill this stereotype to the tee. why tuck my sack in and be PC, if some mexican dude i know is acting like a low life, i'm calling him out as acting like a spic/wet back/paisa.....simple as that.  There's guys out there in this world who are afraid of everything...are we so nice as a culutre , or fake that we wouldn't call this dude a pussy or a wussy?

black people get flack for not finishing things, or being dumb ........i say don't fufill that stereotype by dropping out........especially since a fucking idiot rapper made it cool. that act initself is more racist and detrimental to the black race than some random mexican kid on the internet of a west coast message board saying "don't be a nigger"


seriously i'm tired of seeing black people i know fall into a stereo type, or even worse being not true to themselves because they're expected to be a certain way.

good example

dude i know LOVES metal music, loves the culture......so why not live that way?  well according to him it's cuz he's black. he tells me he feels he needs to wear all those hip hop fashions even though he hates them. in public he talks like a fucking baboon like e-40, even though he HATES ebonics. he tells me he wouldn't be black enough if he lived the way he really wanted......true story
so i tell him what i told dude in the post right now. Don't be a nigger. straight up.

seriously if you're that stuck in a box to not know where this is coming from then you need a box of tampons



Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:33:13 AM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: AndrE16686 on October 06, 2007, 04:18:34 AM
^

real talk.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 08:28:46 AM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 06, 2007, 05:28:36 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.

dude it's simple

rappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats  bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shit

secondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.


just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews
-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.

dude it's simple

rappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats  bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shit

secondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.


just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews
-T
And like i said from the very beginning you totally digressed to a whole different part of an area. You sitting up here trying to be all smart and intellectual actually thinking your making a point-which you are not doing. I don't know if its just me or something. Or maybe your just justifying the use of word because you use it throughout your day. Yea I know its simple but your trying to make it all complicated like " oh hip hop says this and that". So if you have a problem with rappers certain choice of words go fuckin complain to a rapper. Because I don't recall any rapper input in this thread. Also, I really couldn't care if he used  the word because I know thats how the majority of people think of us. (NO secret in that) It was just totally random and far away from any possible smart reply to the subject.- "Don't be a nigger" wow thats really a good way to respond to someone who's making a life changing decision.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 06, 2007, 07:58:21 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.

dude it's simple

rappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats  bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shit

secondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.


just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews
-T
And like i said from the very beginning you totally digressed to a whole different part of an area. You sitting up here trying to be all smart and intellectual actually thinking your making a point-which you are not doing. I don't know if its just me or something. Or maybe your just justifying the use of word because you use it throughout your day. Yea I know its simple but your trying to make it all complicated like " oh hip hop says this and that". So if you have a problem with rappers certain choice of words go fuckin complain to a rapper. Because I don't recall any rapper input in this thread. Also, I really couldn't care if he used  the word because I know thats how the majority of people think of us. (NO secret in that) It was just totally random and far away from any possible smart reply to the subject.- "Don't be a nigger" wow thats really a good way to respond to someone who's making a life changing decision.

Not liking when Jake gets tons of unwarranted heat is trying to be all smart and intellectual and shit? Okay buddy. Sitting up where? What the hel are you imagining?

Justifying my use of the word? I don't say discriminatory shit about sects of people period. In fact, if you'd read anything I'd written in this thread you'd see that that shit is part of the shit I'm attacking is discriminatory things said about sects of people.

and just cause we're in the g spot doesn't change the fact the fact that the vast majority of people talking on here are hip hop fans. It's a factor in the conversation and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.

-T

Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 08:06:00 PM
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What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way.


i disagree. i strongly disagree. how else are you going to grab someone's attention.  "ummm hey there mr. african american , you know you really shouldn't be copying this rapper, because statistics...blah blah blah"
no way.....i'm going to be like "HEY! will you quit acting like nigger for two seconds and act the way you really are please!"
it's like my homie, he's cuban and for whatever reason he hates puerto ricans/or being called that.....but he always acts a fool in public, so to grab his attention i tell him he's acting like a puerto rican. now whatever negative message that sends to him in his brain, it straightens him out.  it's my own personal shock and awe.


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It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy.

being ignorant means i don't know what i'm speaking on. a nigger is a negative stereotype of black people, which has evolved over the years. it's also derived from other words such as niggle and niggard, ect. which ecompasses ALOT. that's probably why it's such a powerful word is because it's not just some random slur like "wet back" it's a real word.

to use the word in a racist way would be "i fucking hate the utah jazz, there's not enough niggers on that team " <--------- that's racist, it's generalizes and encompassing a whole race


saying "don't be a nigger" isn't, it's saying ...in a nutshell don't be a stereotype. but it's like saying the word FUCK in church, it's unhollowed to say. but there is IMO a time and place for it, ala right now.


it's like eminem when he broke down "fag" on mtv a while ago


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But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking.


tanj is a very smart and mature  dude for his age, and i think he's displays that more consistantly than msot people on this board.


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Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.


isn't that what fits in te stereotype of a 'nigger' though is laziness. it's just a word, and words can hurt but it's all about context.  remember a word only has as much power as you give it. i'd never say to some black person sitting down on my newspaper at work.........get off my newspaper nigger, that's wrong .
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
Man now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying is

mainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny.

baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACK

want more?

mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks?   why do jordans cost 200 bucks?  fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy?  that got flipped real quick didn't it.


like i said

present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.

dude it's simple

rappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats  bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shit

secondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.


just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews
-T
And like i said from the very beginning you totally digressed to a whole different part of an area. You sitting up here trying to be all smart and intellectual actually thinking your making a point-which you are not doing. I don't know if its just me or something. Or maybe your just justifying the use of word because you use it throughout your day. Yea I know its simple but your trying to make it all complicated like " oh hip hop says this and that". So if you have a problem with rappers certain choice of words go fuckin complain to a rapper. Because I don't recall any rapper input in this thread. Also, I really couldn't care if he used  the word because I know thats how the majority of people think of us. (NO secret in that) It was just totally random and far away from any possible smart reply to the subject.- "Don't be a nigger" wow thats really a good way to respond to someone who's making a life changing decision.

Not liking when Jake gets tons of unwarranted heat is trying to be all smart and intellectual and shit? Okay buddy. Sitting up where? What the hel are you imagining?

Justifying my use of the word? I don't say discriminatory shit about sects of people period. In fact, if you'd read anything I'd written in this thread you'd see that that shit is part of the shit I'm attacking is discriminatory things said about sects of people.

and just cause we're in the g spot doesn't change the fact the fact that the vast majority of people talking on here are hip hop fans. It's a factor in the conversation and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.

-T



when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them

-T
^^ Thats really attacking discriminating, If you were really attacking discrimination like you claim you would've been like DOn Jacobs " Hey theres better ways of getting a message across". I attack discrimination like when that fool Foday or whatever is name is the RUf dude come into a thread saying stupid shit I comment on his ignorance.

I'm done with you your corny and whack, matter of fact I wish I could smash your fucking head into your monitor and ash your blunt on your fucking face, shave all your hair off and give it to some voodoo chick because you make no sense & aggravated me.
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What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way.


i disagree. i strongly disagree. how else are you going to grab someone's attention.  "ummm hey there mr. african american , you know you really shouldn't be copying this rapper, because statistics...blah blah blah"
no way.....i'm going to be like "HEY! will you quit acting like nigger for two seconds and act the way you really are please!"
it's like my homie, he's cuban and for whatever reason he hates puerto ricans/or being called that.....but he always acts a fool in public, so to grab his attention i tell him he's acting like a puerto rican. now whatever negative message that sends to him in his brain, it straightens him out.  it's my own personal shock and awe.


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It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy.

being ignorant means i don't know what i'm speaking on. a nigger is a negative stereotype of black people, which has evolved over the years. it's also derived from other words such as niggle and niggard, ect. which ecompasses ALOT. that's probably why it's such a powerful word is because it's not just some random slur like "wet back" it's a real word.

to use the word in a racist way would be "i fucking hate the utah jazz, there's not enough niggers on that team " <--------- that's racist, it's generalizes and encompassing a whole race


saying "don't be a nigger" isn't, it's saying ...in a nutshell don't be a stereotype. but it's like saying the word FUCK in church, it's unhollowed to say. but there is IMO a time and place for it, ala right now.


it's like eminem when he broke down "fag" on mtv a while ago


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But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking.


tanj is a very smart and mature  dude for his age, and i think he's displays that more consistantly than msot people on this board.


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Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.


isn't that what fits in te stereotype of a 'nigger' though is laziness. it's just a word, and words can hurt but it's all about context.  remember a word only has as much power as you give it. i'd never say to some black person sitting down on my newspaper at work.........get off my newspaper nigger, that's wrong .
I guess Kramer's latest antic was also his own personal shock and awe. Also, in whose eyes is that fitting a stereotype....You're whatever you have this weird way of trying to get a message across. I can stomach having a conversation with you. But at the end of the day I just  think its a cop-out.

Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 10:11:30 PM
lol di you read my post at all. what kramer said and did was blatantly racist ...quote "you'd be hanging from a treeeeeeeee!!!!"  lol seriously.

"dude don't be a nigger" and "he's a niggger he's a nigger!!!" are two vastly different things.

and if i'm racist. wtf am i doing on this message board,lol.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 12:21:47 AM
Man, I still love Kramer too though.

Voodoo chick? Man I really pissed this guy off, huh jake?

sorry dude, I have nothing against you. I'm just a politically incorrect devil's advocate and I'm sorry that my attempts at discussing ideas infuriate you. Next time stay out of any thread I'm in and we'll probably all be unannoyed.
anyway, it's good that you don't like Foday sankoh either though. That guy is annoying as shit. +1 for that

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 08, 2007, 01:58:19 AM
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"?  Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?

People need to understand you can't have it both ways.  It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does.  You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever.  It's hypocritical to the max.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 02:06:21 AM
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"?  Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?

People need to understand you can't have it both ways.  It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does.  You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever.  It's hypocritical to the max.

Thanks man, +1

that's what the fuck I'm talking about.

you can't be hip hop when there's a cool artist out and then have nothing to do with it when the culture and its members  are being called out for their bullshit.

roads go two ways baby

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Paul on October 08, 2007, 10:36:48 AM
dude dont' be a nigger.




lmfao


man people get way too offended in this world
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 08, 2007, 10:50:37 AM
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"?  Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?

People need to understand you can't have it both ways.  It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does.  You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever.  It's hypocritical to the max.
And I don't simultaneously call someone a fag or bitch. So what I'm saying is not hypocritical. But I tell you what hypocritical is, tanj because he claims he attacks discrimination all times. Also how you guys trying to equate words like "nigger" "gook" "spic" etc. to "fag" & "bitch".
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 11:14:33 AM
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"?  Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?

People need to understand you can't have it both ways.  It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does.  You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever.  It's hypocritical to the max.
And I don't simultaneously call someone a fag or bitch. So what I'm saying is not hypocritical. But I tell you what hypocritical is, tanj because he claims he attacks discrimination all times. Also how you guys trying to equate words like "nigger" "gook" "spic" etc. to "fag" & "bitch".

because they're all in reference to groups of people. color is not the only thing it's wrong to make fun of.

anyway, i'm not perfect and perhaps I don't attack discrimination at all times, but I do my best to be just. and look dude, I got no beef with you, calm down. I'm just a propagater of unpopular opinion. it's clear that i have a different kind of conscience than you but it doesn't mean i operate without a conscience.

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 08, 2007, 12:23:07 PM
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"?  Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?

People need to understand you can't have it both ways.  It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does.  You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever.  It's hypocritical to the max.
And I don't simultaneously call someone a fag or bitch. So what I'm saying is not hypocritical. But I tell you what hypocritical is, tanj because he claims he attacks discrimination all times. Also how you guys trying to equate words like "nigger" "gook" "spic" etc. to "fag" & "bitch".

because they're all in reference to groups of people. color is not the only thing it's wrong to make fun of.

anyway, i'm not perfect and perhaps I don't attack discrimination at all times, but I do my best to be just. and look dude, I got no beef with you, calm down. I'm just a propagater of unpopular opinion. it's clear that i have a different kind of conscience than you but it doesn't mean i operate without a conscience.

-T
yeah cool  I guess were different no hard feelings.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: boycriedwolf619 on October 08, 2007, 12:25:10 PM
BUT TO THE MOTHERFUCKER DROPPING MY KARMA LIKE A COWARD FUCK YOU. or in the words of Tupac- Alla y'all motherfuckers, fuck you die slow motherfucker, My fo'-fo' make sure all y'all kids don't grow,You motherfuckers can't be me or see me
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 12:46:33 PM
he lived by the sword and died by it
-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
and hey man my karma's been dropping too

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on October 08, 2007, 12:49:56 PM
LMAO
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 08, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
and hey man my karma's been dropping too

-T
mine too. lol.
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 03:22:23 PM
and hey man my karma's been dropping too

-T
mine too. lol.

I just propped you cause I'm not a hater

-T
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Don Jacob on October 08, 2007, 11:31:49 PM
back at ya +1
Title: Re: i hope kanye west was right
Post by: Tanjential on October 08, 2007, 11:49:53 PM
+1

-T