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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: BadBoy4Life on July 12, 2001, 02:13:09 PM
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My boy just bought the new D-12 album, I borrowed it from him and laughed! What a horrible album. Im glad Dre only produced a few tracks on this project because his name shouldn't be on something so poor. D-12 are a bunch of black wanna be Eminem ripoffs. Instead of some silly fake whiteboy talking about pills and other bs now you have these fake ass thugs talking,dissing, and doing the same weak shit Eminem does. I mean damn be original for real, theres only one bitch ass Eminem now you have a group of Eminems in D-12. What a bunch of bitch ass wannabes acting tough. Anyway as for their vocal talent I think they sound horrible , not one song impressed me, not one soing got me pumped up , not one song had any flow or meaning with a good beat which in my opinion makes a good song. As far as Slim Shadys producing skills I think he should stick to dissing teenage pop stars because he showed me NOTHING. I see their Album is selling fantastic however and I think the only reason is because Eminems pop ass is all over, D-12 isn't selling those records Eminems name is. I think once the public gets a load of what a ripoff this group is they will not be selling anywhere near what they are now. Plus their not talented at all. Eminem can't carry this group forever, one album maybe, take Shadys name away they would sell less then To Gangsta for radio (occh)
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didnt buy it, never going to.
unfortunately you're gonna get hated on by all the pop rap fans on here tho.
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Translation:
fuck eminem he is white, fuck d-12 they are only getting rich off eminems name,
we stick to real gangsta shit!
Yall gon make me loose my mind up in here up in here PARTY Up shiznit!
d-12 boooooo we need a new bad boy album, dope shit!! yeah these cats are original we need more orignal producers like Puffy
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didnt buy it, never going to.
unfortunately you're gonna get hated on by all the pop rap fans on here tho.
and yall cant say i am a pop fan..oh shit i enjoy listening to eminem.... ::)
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and yall cant say i am a pop fan..oh shit i enjoy listening to eminem.... ::)
Yeah for real enjoyin Ems music makes you a pop fan??
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It really ain't as bad as people make it out to be. It's a decent album, just nuthin that special.
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some people think white=pop but for real eminem is dope...who cares if he disses little girls..hahah i mean his music is dope his flow is one of the best
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Yea well not many peeps feel "P. Diddy & The Bad Boy Family" over here either. LOL.
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yo loc, i jus wanna say, why u callin me a pop rap fan, u know fine well im not, just because it aint gangsta doesnt mean its dope,....cuts like words are weapons......under the influence.......fight music.........all dope tracks.......i dont see why i shudnt hate on him ..cos i aint no pop rap fan......yo...think before u say stuff like that....i think d12 and eminem are tight...and bad boy yor completely wrong....im sorry but they are tight........and there not makin a livin off eminems name...their there to entertain and make music.......after all it makes you laff.......a change from gangsta, gangsta, kill that mothafucka...smack his bitch blah blah.......its enjoyable music..u cant say its not.....i like gangsta.....but a change once in a while is good.......
peace
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naw i dont "feel it" i dont even own it, im just sayin it may not be as bad as we all pass judge it to be, casue that signle bad boy for life is good
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My boy just bought the new D-12 album, I borrowed it from him and laughed! What a horrible album. Im glad Dre only produced a few tracks on this project because his name shouldn't be on something so poor. D-12 are a bunch of black wanna be Eminem ripoffs. Instead of some silly fake whiteboy talking about pills and other bs now you have these fake ass thugs talking,dissing, and doing the same weak shit Eminem does. I mean damn be original for real, theres only one bitch ass Eminem now you have a group of Eminems in D-12. What a bunch of bitch ass wannabes acting tough. Anyway as for their vocal talent I think they sound horrible , not one song impressed me, not one soing got me pumped up , not one song had any flow or meaning with a good beat which in my opinion makes a good song. As far as Slim Shadys producing skills I think he should stick to dissing teenage pop stars because he showed me NOTHING. I see their Album is selling fantastic however and I think the only reason is because Eminems pop ass is all over, D-12 isn't selling those records Eminems name is. I think once the public gets a load of what a ripoff this group is they will not be selling anywhere near what they are now. Plus their not talented at all. Eminem can't carry this group forever, one album maybe, take Shadys name away they would sell less then To Gangsta for radio (occh)
lol. All I'm gonna say is, No wonder your name is called BadBoy4Life. Your dumbass don't know good music when they see it. Same with Bad Boy records. Alsy they don't know bad music when they hear it.
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I thought P-Diddy and the BadBoy family the Sage Continues was a better album then Devils night by far. And I don't care who "over their" likes BADBOY, I don't give a fuck what other people like I know what I like, im not going to dislike BADBOY because the people "over their" don't like them. Many people OVER HERE think Eminems a white faggot, does this mean your going to dislike EMINEM and stop riding his jock all the way from the UK or wherever your from Incognito? N-Imy nice response you really proved your point you fucking worthless dumbass, I don't know music and you reply with a stupid ass worthless comment like that, go back to the fifth grade and don't waste your time responding to a thread with bs like that. NIMY your a DICK, loser, hey lets just keep replying with insluts okay dickhead, weee so much fun.
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Both P.Diddy And D-12 are *garbage*
Eminem Is The Only Nice MC But He Wastes His Talent On Topics That Are Pure Gimmicks
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I thought P-Diddy and the BadBoy family the Sage Continues was a better album then Devils night by far. And I don't care who "over their" likes BADBOY, I don't give a fuck what other people like I know what I like, im not going to dislike BADBOY because the people "over their" don't like them. Many people OVER HERE think Eminems a white faggot, does this mean your going to dislike EMINEM and stop riding his jock all the way from the UK or wherever your from Incognito? N-Imy nice response you really proved your point you fucking worthless dumbass, I don't know music and you reply with a stupid ass worthless comment like that, go back to the fifth grade and don't waste your time responding to a thread with bs like that. NIMY your a DICK, loser, hey lets just keep replying with insluts okay dickhead, weee so much fun.
hahaha. YOu make me laugh. YOu diss D-12 then you try to cliam that Puffy is better than that group. hahahahaha. You really don't know shit about music do you. And how can I go back to 5th grade when I ain't even from Amerika dumbass. YOu know wot I ain't even going to get into a internet fued cause that's just stupid. We all have different opinions on music, we all like different people so I ain't even gonna start with you but the way you describe the album is the description of a true Puff Daddy dickrider who thinks that Puffy is hard and cool cause he walks around with a sheep on his back.
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West Coast Veteran, Eminem is a real person, who went through some real shit in his life, and his music is as real as it gets.
So Much Style is on point.
And the D-12 album is the best album to come out this year. "Fight Music", and "Revelation", and "American Psycho" are on another level. The whole crew has skills, and the production is top-notch.
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West Coast Veteran, Eminem is a real person, who went through some real shit in his life, and his music is as real as it gets.
he is a real person cause he's human...he has been through tough times LOL! especially when he got pissed on at school and beat to a pulp every day LOL! now he thinks he's the hardest kid ever LOL! i tend to disagree on his music...his music is NOT as real as it gets...listen to Scarface if you want REAL music...i don't think Em rappin' about murdering his wife, fucking his dead grandma up the ass, raping his moms, and eating his daughter is REAL...if you think that is REAL then you got serious mental problems...the only thing he has rapped that had to do with a REAL life situation was "Stan"...or the songs that he bitches about how the media portrays him...the rest are pure GIMMICKS...Shock Rap is a gimmick they try to think of the sickest shit so ppl that think its funny will buy it!
and Sticky Fingaz was the best album released this year! by general consensus and by the quality of music!
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Both P.Diddy And D-12 are *garbage*
i totally disagree dogg,, those album have some madd shit on them ,, should listen to, dawm fuck the critics,the gosips and all , heard it by yourself
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i totally disagree dogg,, those album have some madd shit on them ,, should listen to, dawm fuck the critics,the gosips and all , heard it by yourself
i did listen to the new D-12 dogg...and IMO it's garbage! Em is the only nice MC there, Proof is just average...that doesnt mean yall gotta think the same way....i was just stating my opinion...i dont believe anything critics say after i copped the Beanie Sigel debut that got 4.5 mics >:(...what a fuckin joke the source is! those eastcoast bias dickheads...anyways i think D-12 is garbage and the new Puffy too from the songs i've heard...
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fuckin hell cant y'all have yo own fuckin opinions sheeeeesh y'all act like 2 year old kids lol
so IN MY OPINION ma m8 lent me dv i thawt it was wack,end of story.purple hills made me laff, but i think em is only one who actually raps decently in that track, n i fought tha clown was pretty tight as well, lol
naw seriuos i jus aint that bothered wit um, they aint special so i didnt buy it, dont really like poprap which it is so dont agrue, remember this is IN MY OPINION!!!
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No one here should give a fuck cause BadBoy4Life is the only Bad Boy/Puff Daddy fan who comes preaching over hear anyway. Is it worth it?
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as a whole i am not an eminem fan... but when i listen to this album i hear ems verse and then wish it was a solo song cause he's the only one that brings it... the rest of them barely stay on rhythm half the time... i mean its worse than Silkk (and atleast Silkk does that stutter off rhythm thing on purpose) D12 (with the exception of em) suck... Bizarre is funny and he'd prolly crack u up if yall was friends chillin, but he cannot rap for shit
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i did listen to the new D-12 dogg...and IMO it's garbage! Em is the only nice MC there, Proof is just average...that doesnt mean yall gotta think the same way....i was just stating my opinion...i dont believe anything critics say after i copped the Beanie Sigel debut that got 4.5 mics >:(...what a fuckin joke the source is! those eastcoast bias dickheads...anyways i think D-12 is garbage and the new Puffy too from the songs i've heard...
aight kool , but one thing , beenie got 4 mic in the source, n i believe that's bullshit to cause i listen the album and he had a good flow , some good ryhmes but the beat wasn't there,, they even copp a beat and ryhme on it ,,just like can't believe ,from bad boy,, well ,, i don't say that straight hot shit u should copp but ,, if u listen ,, u can fall 6 feet deep in luv with it'nawww im jokin but u can aprreciate them ,for both albums
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LoL.... why is everyone gettin offended by being called pop fans? THAT IS what Eminem is.... you hear his name on MTV every 5 mins, not even just MTV...he's all over the news n shit... I think I've heard Eminem's name on tha news more times than O.J Simpsons'... That's Pop.
Doesn't mean he's not a rapper.... cuz he IS a rapper.... and there's alot of rappers out there that are pop also...... Puffy & Nelly come to mind.... They're all pop.... doesn't make him any less of a rapper though.
I probably dont dislike Eminem as much as Mr. Loc does.... I can listen to some of Eminem's shit.... but when I do listen to his shit, I know what I'm listening to..... Pop/Rap that's mostly made for pleasing TRL viewers and gettin a :o out of everyone... like West Coast Veteran said, it aint 100% Real, it's a gimmick to keep sellin records like he's doing...
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aight kool , but one thing , beenie got 4 mic in the source,
no Beanie got 4.5 for The Truth his first album...but 4 for The Reason his second album! ;D and i was referring to his debut that got 4.5 which is highly overrated! :o
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i thought the album was really tight
every track is well produced and every one flows nicely on here...with the exception of bizzare
i don't see anything on here that is whack Fight Music is tight as hell
and as far as originality eminem is one of the most original cats out, just about every other rapper in this industry talks about
pimpin' it
ice
gangsta shit
afrocentricism (spelling?)
or who they are what they got or about a sucker mc
i don't see anything like that on d-12's album cept for that one song pimp like me were they're being saracastic , but overall this album is very original
if you dislike this album , either
A: your just not feeling eminem
B: just being a hater
C: just being biast or close minded and have no scence of humore
your either one of the 3 claim your letter a,b,or c
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Yea I mean what's so special bout P. Diddy's new album.
D-12 brought crazy ass rhymes with the exception of Bizzare and took it to the extreme. "Fight Music" is a shot of adrenalin along wit "Revelation." It's a good album.
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if you dislike this album , either
A: your just not feeling eminem
B: just being a hater
C: just being biast or close minded and have no scence of humore
your either one of the 3 claim your letter a,b,or c
LoL...... yeah.... I'ma go with "A"
only songs I thought were good were "Blow My Buzz" "Purple Pills" "That's How" "Nasty Mind"... and "Pistol Pistol" was alright.... like I said.. I can listen to their stuff.... but I aint feelin' their style TOO MUCH
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can i make a d pleez?
d) your just not feelin d-12
i listen 2 ems album n it makes me laff but that how i fink it shud b, just em makin me laff not dat gang of er......rappers
i dont really care 2 b honest, imma not like it wateva u say or howeva u catergorize me,
u cant say im not openin ma mind cuz i open ma mind but wen i do i do it 2 sumthin thats totally outta tha rap scene, keeps u fresh n apreciatin shyt more
jus deal wit it that uva ppl have their tastes
dont make it a bad thing, if evry1 liked evrythin that evry1 else lked wed b a bunch of robots, woohey then wed all have loadsa fun n b able 2 open our minds wudnt we?er......yea
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West Coast Veteran, how is Eminem's music not real? Let's start with his first album...
SSLP
Brain Damage- no lie, he actually got the shit beat out of him in school, got knocked unconscious and almost died
If I Had- He really was broke as fuck for most of his life. He has had to endure alot of racism in the rap game.
97 Bonnie and Clyde- Kim really wouldn't let him see his daughter. And she used his daughter against him.
Rock Bottom- Hittin your lowest point. That's some real shit right there.
MMLP
Kill You- The first couple lines he explains why his life has been fucked up since the beggining
Stan- Deals with obsession better than any artist ever has before
The Way I Am- Deals with being misunderstood
Marshall Mathers- more about being misunderstood
The rest of his songs mix in dark comedy, and extreme situations, which all makes for good music. It's not a gimmick, it's called making great rap music. No other rapper other than 2pac is willing to get as personal about his life as Eminem.
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once again i find myself agreeing with mr. locsta,
eminem while he is talented and while d-12 is really original,a breathe of fresh air,
i am not feeling them, i dont like eminems flow, style, i mean he has talent i just hate the way he raps, u know like i cant explain it, i just hate the way he raps, ill get an example latter, but yall know what i mean, the way he raps
example
pocahantas
ill drop bombs like saddams kids
or sum stupid shit like that, it sounds good, but it fuckin doesnt make sense
eminem is pop, mtv, cover of teen people, white people buying his shit, (no offense),
girls who buy his album have backstreet boys an dn sync in the same collection, u guys are in the same fan base as little girls,
hes a coward, hypocrite, and basically over rated, over exposed, and a big fat fuckin GIMMICK
thats about it
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so bigjakedoggydogg is in the same category as the little girl down the street, lol
like i said before little girls like pizza too so what? i like pizza also and i ain't gonna stop liking it just becuase the "enemy" likes it too that's gay
the backstreet boys deliberatly try to be pop eminem doesn't he can't help who the fuck likes him just shut up and i thought we agreed to not bring up eminem alot again on this forum
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Incognito:
Im going to say this as honest as I can. I like what I like , I don't like and follow what's popular like you do. Your a defintion dickrider, probably some whiteboy from the UK who has no clue about what hip hop is all about. Now I have nothing against white people, I work with them, am friends with them , hang with them and etc but you are just a hater. Also judging from your posts you don't know much about hiphop either. You from what i've read haven't posted anything of interest to anyone and nothing informative. Bascially your only tolerated and respected because your a board admin and that come with the usual ass kissing. I've seen some of the threads you've started at the most maybe 50 views and 10 replies, dude your a joke, get off my jock and go bother somebody else, this is the last response you get out of me.
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eminem is pop, mtv, cover of teen people, white people buying his shit, (no offense),
girls who buy his album have backstreet boys an dn sync in the same collection, u guys are in the same fan base as little girls
Big Jake said basically everything but I just wanna reinnerate (spelling?) by saying WHO REALLY GIVES A SHIT?
And just cause white people buy his records he is pop? Most people in here are white so when they buy a rap album that makes the artist pop all of a sudden?
And does it really matter if little girls buy his album cause he is cute? I'm not buying the album cause Eminem is cute or not. Don't forget little girls were doing that when Doggystyle and Chronic came out. If I'm lyin' I'm dyin and I'm still breathin.
Sometimes I think people on the board are against popular groups. They'd rather boast about a underground artists than give props to a more commercial artist. Same shit happens to Snoop and Dre. People diss them cause they are famous. Y'all are doing the same thing.
I know he is a gimmick, I agree with that too but y'all gotta give him props.
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Badboy4Life- you've made about 47 posts, how would you even know what Incognito brings to this board. He's been here for the longest, and brought as much to the board as anyone.
I keep hearing how Eminem is a gimmick. And I want someone to give me a reason why he's a gimmick. And it has to be something he does, it can't be the reaction he gets. Num sayin? That doesn't mean shit that little girls buy his album or that he's on TRL. And don't go saying it's because he disses pop stars because he's only done that in 4 songs. That's like saying that all Dre does is make diss tracks, when he's only made 4 of um.
When "My Name Is" dropped back in 1999 he was being his own damn self. Whether people liked it and it made TRL doesn't mean shit.
And I like what BigJakeDoggyDogg said about pizza. Good point.
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I don't like and follow what's popular like you do
LOL, ha ha ha ha slap yourself
you don't like or follow what's popular yet your a die hard Bad Boy fan...interesting statement there,lol
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infinite59 "No other rapper other than 2pac is willing to get as personal about his life as Eminem."
1. shouldn't compare Pac to Em cause Em ain't 1/10 the MC that Pac was...
2. no other rappers get personal as Em? does Scarface ring a bell? a LEGEND in this HIP HOP game which Em is NOT!
3. i still think Em's a GIMMICK...but thats me ;D...
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I'll be honest with you, I haven't heard enough Scarface to know how real or personal his music is. And 2pac is my favorite mc all-time, but Eminem is my favorite right now. And has been since he came out. Peace.
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Eminem brings a new level to the rap game. He uses alot of conedy and likes to have fun while writing tracks. The reason's people don't like him are simple:
He is white.
People don't like change. They don't wanna see funny video's and shit that. Thats why people are calling it POP and not rap. Sorry people buts its a rap with a new look.
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Incognito:
Your a defintion dickrider, probably some whiteboy from the UK who has no clue about what hip hop is all about.
What? Shit, I can tell your getting pretty affended, especially since you called me a dickriding white boy from the U.K. A lot of peeps from this board are whtie and from the U.K. I'm white, and from the U.S. If you have to say that to me just so it makes you feel better about Puff Daddy than okay...here's a link to a Bad Boy site...http://www.badboyonline.com
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Eminem brings a new level to the rap game. He uses alot of conedy and likes to have fun while writing tracks. The reason's people don't like him are simple:
He is white.
People don't like change. They don't wanna see funny video's and shit that. Thats why people are calling it POP and not rap. Sorry people buts its a rap with a new look.
man I have to agree with you on that. I am white and I ain't racists but I have to agree 100% there with you. Eminem has shown that white people can rap (Vanilla Ice damged that) and people can't handle that. They want just black people to rap cause it's like in a way a black thing that has always had an advantage over the white people. I ain't trying to be racist here but this is the only way I could think to put it. So cause Em is white he is there fore described as being a pop/rap star who is over-rated and trying to be like Pac in a way. Also they say his lyrics are wack when infact they are funny and when he disses somebody like Everlast or that his lyrics come pretty srtong.
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why do all the white Em fans ALWAYS say that if peeps don't like Em it is because he's white? thats the biggest BULLSHIT i've ever heard! i'm sure there are some that are racist towards Em but the majority isn't...most people just don't fall for his gimmicks and don't - can't relate to the shit he puts out...did we ever call MC Serch pop? NO! [he was actually the first RESPECTED white MC so don't gimme this Em being the first CRAP!] even when Everlast came out with the House Of Pain...did we call him pop? NO! but Em is somewhat pop with the shit he puts out..."My Name Is" and "The Real Slim Shady"? come on now if that ain't pop than what is? all these songs created to SHOCK people...that is a gimmick it ain't "REAL"...he may seem "REAL" to yall but to me he's a gimmick like most gangsta rap artists...and Em hasn't brought anything new to hip hop SHOCK RAP has been here since the early 90's...Bushwick Bill had done it way before Em had any type of record out...South Park Psycho...Gravediggaz...shall i go on...and presently there are other MC's bringing the same shit Cage, Necro, and many more...so tell me what the fuck Em is bringing that is so original? bringing comedy and fun into tracks? hmmm...does Redman sound familiar? and before that Biz Markie and many other pioneers...Em is OVERRATED!
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I don't hate Eminem because he is white, I have nothing against white people. I hate Eminem for the following reasons:
His voice to me atleast is very annoying
His songs have no meaning
He's proved to be a fake (carrying a fake gun , selling out by doing a song with a Fag
That's all, don't take it personally because I don't like him, I respect the fact that yall like him and im not gunna insult yall because of who you like or follow. My post on D-12 was just my opinion, that's what this forum is for I thought, yall didn't have to take it personal and jump down my throat. What kind of forum do you have if everyone just agrees with each other and nobody can voice an opinion. And if anyone disses Badboy Puffy that's fine it doesn't bother me , it just mad me mad I can't express an opinion without nigahs taking it personal calling me names like it's fifth grade. hehe damn
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if u think eminem is NOT trying to be pop on purpose u need a reality chin check
look at songs like my name is, and the really slim shady,
pop beat, the lyrics are aimed at the pop audience
he is pop
now let me make a confession
i heard about eminem a while back, the hardcore dre fans have, and i liked infinite, i bought the slim shady lp, but after sslp, u could tell what direction this biitch was heading in, marshal matters lp was pop, let me ask yall a question, why is the media all up on eminems nuts, cuz he is viewed and treated in the same capacity as a pop star, alot of rappers have said sicker shit than em, but they not get half the publicity, the reason why everybody from glaad to charts bnning purple hills is that eminem is viewed as a pop star, picture britney spears making homophobic remarks, thats what the world sees when they look at eminem,
im sorry, yall may love eminem, but i despise some one who aint real, some one who, if it werent for the fact that he can rap, would have been dissed by 2/3 of the hip hop industry by now, some one whose face looks out at me in a fake scowl from the cover of seventeen or sum shit like that,
and the only reason i made that white people buying his shit comment is this, im not racist, obviously, and whites are the majority hip hop consumers, but every other artists dont have a 95% white audienece like eminem, speaking from my personal view, i dont know one non white person who has bought eminem, all the people i know who bought eminem breaks down like this
bandwagon hip hop fans- 40%
pop fans 40%
rock fans 20%
no one in my neighbourhood likes him and over here we bump everything from xzibit to snoop to shyne , mob deep whatever
bottomline i think hes fake
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ok then people. Answer me this one. You say the shit Em brings out is all pop stuff. Well wot about his beats. Dre and many other people do Em's beats so are you saying the producers for Em's CD's are pop aswell. So infact ya'll that are calling him pop say it's cause of his music. So you are saying Dre & co are pop musicians then. And as for him being in the publicity a lot. Pac was in the papers a lot but does that make him a pop star. No it doesn't so don't give the bullshit answer about his music is pop and cause he is inthe paper he is pop. They are just bullshit answers and go say that Dre ain't pop because wot you are saying you sure make it sound like your putting him in that category. I ain't trying to change the subject and don't come back with a bullshit answer but you said Em's songs (lyrics, beats etc. that's wot makes a song) were pop so you are saying that Dre is a pop producer. As for Em in the paper. Papers like giving Rap a bad name and like dissin it. It is more or less there job so they look to some1 who is getting criticised by people because of his antics in stage etc. and em fits into that category. Look you either like or dislike Em but saying that he is pop music is a bullshit answer because being in papers and the music he brings out does not make him pop. Since when have you heard a pop song that is similar to one of Em's songs? Exactly. So stop with the stupid excuses for a reason to hate Em. This is like the Dre thing. He is so successful that people hate him for that and that is generally why people hate Em cause he is successful. Also you say it isn't because Em is white. Then why hate on Em so much. at least 60% hate him cause he is white. They can't except a white rapper being so succesful. Put it this way. If Tupac was white would he have been as successful as he was. I would say he wouldn't have but there's always gonan be some1 with a different opinion. Cause Em is white nobody takes him serious and all he is doing is bringing a bit of fun to rap cause when you gots people like Nelly & Ludacris then they make Em look amazing in rap. The only thing I hate aobut Em's fan bas is the fucking stupid little girls that go to a concert and stand at the front and scream at him all night. DOn't they have better shit to do. If I was Em I would tell them to fuck off cause unless you like the music don't fucking come to my concerts. You can still buy the music but stay away from the concerts.
Also everybody is like Em is fake, Em is fake. I mean when has he ver said that he is trying to be real. It is just people that make them comments. All he is doing is rapping about what he wants to rap about. Let's get wot most rappers rap about. 95% at least rap about smoking weed, drinking and fucking bitches and how many of them actually do that. 5% if not less. So in all Dre is fake because of wot he raps about, Xzibit is fake, Ice Cube is fake. Y'nah we could go on all night but if he raps about things he didn't do then ok he is fake but calling him fake because of wot he raps about doesn't make him fakee cause if it does then at least 95% of the rap industry is fake then because wot they rap about they don't do. I am not a big Em fan but the excuses in here to hate him are just plain bullshit.
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^^^ the only thing i agree with is the first point about him being pop...but Dre made pop beats for Em on "My Name Is" and "The Real Slim Shady" if you can't see that than you aren't checked into reality and you probably think the beat to "It's Over" by Kurupt is the most gangsta shit you ever heard.
the other points have no evidence. i proved with examples that the HIP HIP nation do indeed like white MC's like MC Serch and Everlast [In The Beginning] who were both successful so don't give this bullshit that 60% hate Em cause he's white. give me some proof. i dislike Em cause:
1) he seems to be a gimmick with all that SHOCK RAP
2) i HATE his subject matter
3) i don't like his flow
4) i ain't feeling his shit other than "Stan" and some of the beats Dre gave him. if he made more songs like "Stan" i'd be a fan. SSLP was a good album. MMLP was garbage and him bitching. D-12 is just plain garbage IMO!
Once Again! read my post above because i supply sufficient evidence on why i don't like Em and why most ppl just don't feel his music rather than being racist towards him rather than just writing BULLSHIT!
Em is not fake but he def aint REAL. if you think carrying an unloaded gun around when you say "I JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK", doing songs with FAGGOTS that you dislike and making the cover for SEVENTEEN magazine while doing a nude photo for some other teen magazine is REAL than all power to you...And Dre is fake because he aint no gangsta and he admitted it but he makes LEGENDARY TIMELESS music which Em doesnt...Xzibit is not fake he never raps about killing someone or raping his mother so i don't know where you got that from. he does smoke weed and he does drink so i don't know whats so fake about him? tell me please i am dying to know. ;D Cube aint fake...where did you get that? he's from NHC...i am sure he seen most of the shit he talks about comin from that set. he got those three dots under his eye which means MI VIDA LOCA "MY CRAZY LIFE" which gang members put onto themselves. all his first 4 albums were POLITICAL rather than gangsta. his last one was "pop" while the WAR disc was just "gangsta" which he was when he was younger so i dont know whats so fake about him? tell me im dying to know ;D
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WestCoastVeteran, I notice you mention the War disc and not the peace disc. I mean the peace disk is just about fucking bitches and shit. Also since when was being real meaning you were a gangster rapper. I know Dre ain't no gangster, that's been known for a while but he ain't real either. On Chronic 2001. Wot was the song he was being truthful on. The last song. "The MEssage". A motherfucking tight song may I say so. I ain't gonna put Em under pop because if he was pop then he would be put in the catgory of pop so obviously he ain't pop. I ain't no big fan of Em and I don't consider him real but the guy isn't trying to be real either. He is just rapping about wot sells to people and right now it seems to be working. Of course in 2/3 year Em could be a forgotten person cause people got sick of wot he was rapping about. I like Em and think he is a talented lyricist but i think his beat's are closer to the nelly type stuff rather than pop cause since when have you heard a Britney Spears song or Travis songs sound like Em's. There's no point in arguing this cause it is over the internet and we can go on forever trying to convince each other wot we think on different rappers but I like Em and his music and you don't and although I can't really see you views on Em I still respect wot you say and I understand where you are coming from because you don't like Em it is the same as me and Dre. I am am sure you like Dre and are a big fan of him where as I am not that great a fan but I still respect wot Dre has done and why you like him.
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i admit d 12 is just an average album...but marshall mathers lp was flat out the best album last year, no one even comes close. and no matter what anyone says em is a hip hop... just cause mtv gives him exposure doesnt mean he is pop, ya he does a lot of stupid things..(like do a song with that fag). but mtv exposure=$$$$$$ big time so whats wrong with that
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i find it funny how em puts out 3 sarcastic weid al-like songs and he's labled pop....
i hardly call:
guilty conscience pop
role modle pop
the way i am pop
i just don't give a fuck pop
stan pop
em himself said he can't stand "my name is and the real slim shady" becuase people take it the wrong way. instead of taking it as a parody like a weird al video or him mocking the pop world people actually take him as a pop act.
shit i'm sorry eminem is being original but you can't just buligerantly hate on him, he's NOT suge knight, like i siad you can just not really feel him but don't just straight out hate him for dumb shit becuase he's "pop...ular" shit snoop is pop...ular and was when the chronic came out, and even more so with doggystyle, so just chill on the hating of the dude and if you don't like him don't go around dwelling in the fact that you don't like him move on and talk about what you do like, and lock this fucking topic
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I think that one dude had it right earlier. People are afraid of change. Em came in and dropped one album and changed the game. He's now on top of the rap industry and ya'll weren't ready for it.
Someone compared Eminem to Necro. Please go get Necro's cd, "I Need Drugs" and compare. You'll be embarrased for even making the comparison.
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I liked Em a lot before MMLP. I like that album, but it's not anywhere near as good as SSLP or Infinite.
And NEVER, EVER call Denaun Porter a white wannabe without looking at him, listening to him, checking his past first. He ain't no blackboy...
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Actually I agree wth [shadow=red,left,300]N-imy [/shadow]and [shadow=red,left,300]westcoastveterean[/shadow], look, Eminem aint pop, but these trax are near pop "my name is"and "the real slim shady"but they were both created as an intro...as an intro for both albums..." "Bitch Please 2" is not pop it is cool. "kim" i no pop, it is shoc rap 'stan"is an eminem classic...I hink Eminem is very good. A brilliant lyricyst, an under Dre's shaow he is tight ( check out "whats the difference" And he can be pretty tight on his own too (check out "stan" or "I still don't ive a fuck")
But D-12 IS A JOKE a fuckin joke....they is fake-thugz, and they is trying to be cool but they is funny, not beoz they are comedians, they are a joke!!!!!
None o yall hate him coz he iswhite, just like WCveteran says...
And N-imy is right (according to me then) when he says about Dre : he says Dre is fake too, if eminem is fake, Dre raps about fucking bitches all day and all night, I mean he is married, and his WIFE says , Dre would never dare to call me a bitch it is just his image.....
See, I am not tryin tha diss Dre, I mean i dig hi hit a lot. But Eminem's image i Slim-shady, menace to ppl, everyhuing is a joke, life is a bitch, he doesn't give a fuck....BUT THIS IS JUST HIS IMAGE!!!!! If he really though like that, If he was really like tha"t...that means one day you see hi naked runnin about, shitin in the presidents garden wipin his ass with the amarican flag, alk around with an M-16. Execute gay ppl, stab Elten Jhon..and he gets killed or locked in jail...GET IT.
don't go compareing slim shadys lyrics with Marshalls life....none of yal o that ith Dre's Lyrics...
fuck it, I am gettin too much into this subject...
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Ok, here is my thoughts, They should get rid of Bizarre, he is just slowing em own, he sux...they should, Kuniva out th goup, Kon Artist out the group, keep proof, Keep Swifty and kep Eminem,and they'd be less hit, and theyd be beter, Though, Eminem could ao get rid of them all, just gt with Dre, and make another album beter than MM, and show face on dre's new upcoming Album, just like he did on Dre 2001, ( what's the difference, and forot about dre) Thats it,
Peace
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Actually I agree wth [shadow=red,left,300]N-imy [/shadow]and [shadow=red,left,300]westcoastveterean[/shadow], look, Eminem aint pop, but these trax are near pop "my name is"and "the real slim shady"but they were both created as an intro...as an intro for both albums..." "Bitch Please 2" is not pop it is cool. "kim" i no pop, it is shoc rap 'stan"is an eminem classic...I hink Eminem is very good. A brilliant lyricyst, an under Dre's shaow he is tight ( check out "whats the difference" And he can be pretty tight on his own too (check out "stan" or "I still don't ive a fuck")
But D-12 IS A JOKE a fuckin joke....they is fake-thugz, and they is trying to be cool but they is funny, not beoz they are comedians, they are a joke!!!!!
None o yall hate him coz he iswhite, just like WCveteran says...
And N-imy is right (according to me then) when he says about Dre : he says Dre is fake too, if eminem is fake, Dre raps about fucking bitches all day and all night, I mean he is married, and his WIFE says , Dre would never dare to call me a bitch it is just his image.....
See, I am not tryin tha diss Dre, I mean i dig hi hit a lot. But Eminem's image i Slim-shady, menace to ppl, everyhuing is a joke, life is a bitch, he doesn't give a fuck....BUT THIS IS JUST HIS IMAGE!!!!! If he really though like that, If he was really like tha"t...that means one day you see hi naked runnin about, shitin in the presidents garden wipin his ass with the amarican flag, alk around with an M-16. Execute gay ppl, stab Elten Jhon..and he gets killed or locked in jail...GET IT.
don't go compareing slim shadys lyrics with Marshalls life....none of yal o that ith Dre's Lyrics...
fuck it, I am gettin too much into this subject...
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Ok, here is my thoughts, They should get rid of Bizarre, he is just slowing em own, he sux...they should, Kuniva out th goup, Kon Artist out the group, keep proof, Keep Swifty and kep Eminem,and they'd be less hit, and theyd be beter, Though, Eminem could ao get rid of them all, just gt with Dre, and make another album beter than MM, and show face on dre's new upcoming Album, just like he did on Dre 2001, ( what's the difference, and forot about dre) Thats it,
Peace
Exactly wot he said.
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It really doesn't matter that Eminem is white. I used to think people hated him cause he is white too but their are alot of underground artists that are white and get nuthin but respect like Necro, RA the Rugged Man, Evidence, etc.
Its just his ass is on MTV and on the news all the time.
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Look at Pac when he was alive....He had more little bitches on his balls than anybody..Em is white , so what he has skills.RA the Rugged Man is a white Gangster Rapper...Can't compare to Eminem...Em compares to other Shock Rap acts like Necro, Cage..I bet if Eminem was underground Everyone of you would be like Oh hes tight....And D12 i don't think they are shit except Bizarre.At least they are entertaining...Unlike if I were to listen to a fuckin WU-Tang Album...They have skills and shit. but i would fall asleep listenin to that same old shit..
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dude teck what the fuck is up with the pic?
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Aight, I think d-12 is entertaining ofcourse...I mean, in the clip of purple pills, you see a man in a cactus suet singing the chorus, thats entertaining ofcourse, you see, superman (eminem) running ound the place, screamin "my bum is on your lips"
Look thats funny, But i prefer Still D-R-E, Stan, Next episode, thaz some reala shit, I prefer listen "I just don't give a fuck" It's ntertainig , But I don't like listening to "the real slim shady" neither do i like listening to "purple pills"yeah maybe once, to check it out.
Anyway, thaz only my opinion...Peace
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People are hating on Eminem because he changed the rap game? That doesn't make any sense at all. He hasen't changed the game , the game hasen't adjusted to his style. Pac changed the game , Pac was a legend, numerous groups, artists, record labels, producers tried to bite off Pac , his style, the way he expressed and carried himself, his music, etc. I don't see any artists biting and trying to be a wanna be Slim Shady well except for D12. Do you think in Americas streets, ghettos, corners Eminem and d-12 are respected at all? Not for a second. I can understand the upper class whiteboy liking Eminem and following him because they can relate to him, having alot of money to spend it on excpensive drugs and alcohol etc. But D-12 are just considered clowns that are trying to be Eminem way to much. The only thing I can give d-12 is their voices aren't as annoying as Slim I dont give a fuck shady lol. Eminems following consists mostly of non hip hop fans , i'd have to say most of his fans are middle to upper class whiteboys who have an appeal to the wigger lifestyle. well just an opinion, peace.
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Hip-Hop/Rap is known as a predominantly black form of music & tha reason Em has changed/altered the game is that mo' peeps r beginning to accept different colours & cultures in this game. Peeps r lookin' past all that shit & accepting the music 4 what it is. I don't give a fcuk if an artist is black/white girl/guy whatever, if they got the talent to show 4 it then i'll giv' them respect & all respec' due Em is an overall tight MC, no doubt. Although I'm not feelin' most o' his current material.
But that whole shit u was jus' spittin' bout upper class white kids only feelin' Em's music due to them being able to relate to him is a load of bull. In my area not alot of white peeps have shit, but some of my white friends feel Em 4 his music, not his background an' shit like that. I mean Em's never been Upper Class!!! But in all I know mo' black peeps that r feelin' Em than white peeps.
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People are hating on Eminem because he changed the rap game? That doesn't make any sense at all. He hasen't changed the game , the game hasen't adjusted to his style. Pac changed the game , Pac was a legend, numerous groups, artists, record labels, producers tried to bite off Pac , his style, the way he expressed and carried himself, his music, etc. I don't see any artists biting and trying to be a wanna be Slim Shady well except for D12. Do you think in Americas streets, ghettos, corners Eminem and d-12 are respected at all? Not for a second. I can understand the upper class whiteboy liking Eminem and following him because they can relate to him, having alot of money to spend it on excpensive drugs and alcohol etc. But D-12 are just considered clowns that are trying to be Eminem way to much. The only thing I can give d-12 is their voices aren't as annoying as Slim I dont give a fuck shady lol. Eminems following consists mostly of non hip hop fans , i'd have to say most of his fans are middle to upper class whiteboys who have an appeal to the wigger lifestyle. well just an opinion, peace.
Ok now you putting me in a category I ain't in. First of I am white. Second I ain't no middle or upper class, I am working class and I will always be known as that. Also I don't listen to Em because I can relate to him. I listen to him because I like his stuff. Y'nah the D-12 album. Everybody like that is shit, it ain't real and shit but it wasn't suppose to. It was just like an album that they could have fun on. The only problem I think with the album is that it was put out to quickl;y to help promote D-12 and make them money at the same time. But I ain't gonna be catagorized by a person who loves Puff Daddy's stuff. And as for not being a hip-hop fan, cause that wot you said most Em fans are. Well I listen to Tupac, Cube, Xzibit, LL Cool J, Mobb Deep, NWA but I guess they ain't rap huh. Man you ciritsize D-12 albums to much. YOu wanna take a look at Puff Daddy's albums before anything. Also you say that D-12 are only big because of EM which in a way is true byt Puff Daddy helps make sales on his album by having Biggie (a dead rapper R.I.P) on his albums.
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This is what the forum is for!
Everything on this thread is tightness - hardly any stupid cussing - I don't agree with a lot of it but it's just great to see the mix of opinions
Ne way i don't have much to add but sum up Em
1. Very talented MC. Remember that
BUT
2. His music will not live forever because of his image - by trying to come off as being non- comformist he is actually conforming to what the media want him to do
Pac managed to be able to be anti - establishment and not be the medias best friend
His music will live 4ever Ems won't
Safe
PS. In case you didn't know the two founder members of D12 were Bizarre and Proof
So Bizzare ain't going anywhere LOL
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OK......NOW ITS TIME FOR I-BO TO SHARE HIS KNOWLEDGE
i've tried not to write anythin is this topic since i know what happened the last time......(the little beef with so much style)...but i cant hold on any longer
1. I dont like eminem....or i can say like this: i dont like peope that rap the way eminem does.....with those topics...with means that i dont like eminems rapping...
2. since D-12 are rappin just like eminem --> i dont like D-12......
3. i dont like the voice of eminem...nuff said
4. the vioices of d-12 are aight.....but they dont rap well
i wont go further
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OK......NOW ITS TIME FOR I-BO TO SHARE HIS KNOWLEDGE
i've tried not to write anythin is this topic since i know what happened the last time......(the little beef with so much style)...but i cant hold on any longer
1. I dont like eminem....or i can say like this: i dont like peope that rap the way eminem does.....with those topics...with means that i dont like eminems rapping...
2. since D-12 are rappin just like eminem --> i dont like D-12......
3. i dont like the voice of eminem...nuff said
4. the vioices of d-12 are aight.....but they dont rap well
i wont go further
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"Question and answer, What does a rapper do when he starts out hardcore, but can't sell enough records to remain in the record bussiness? ...answer he goes POP , This answer is not set up to diss anybody who starts out pop, but for the rappers tha started out hardcore and now making week ass dance music, coz they couldn;'stay down with the hardcore..
I just got a question for ya, how does it feel to wake up every morning, look in the mirrow, an realize that youre a fucking ho" - ICE-T HOME INVASION
I mean seriosly, he has just said it....
Eminem made Infinite, that was tight, he didn't sell dhit, he did Slim shady Lp, it went ok, He made Marshall mathers LP, even more POP, and Devils night is even more sad....
He just has to focus on the fuckin true Rap fans, True RAP fans, and you know, If you want an album from ice-T, you have to know it, You have to go to the shop and buy one, but as soon as there is a new EMINEM album out, you have commercial, MTV inteviews , Media HYPE, Clips and shit!!!!!
Fuckin hell Eminem, he can be a fuckin TIGHTER RAPPA, remembered after his death!!!
But now he is going towards A viscious rappin pop artist, like "FIVE" but then "D-12"
Peace
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N-Imy:
Me liking Puff Daddy is just about as foolish as you liking Eminem in my opinion, does this mean your totally wrong in everything you say just because your an Eminem fan? Of course not, just like everything I say isn't wrong because im a P-Diddy fan. And I don't worry about P-Diddys album, nor will I take it personal when someone says something negative about him, I mean SAYING OH P-DIDDY SUX is foolish and i'll just ignore you but if you hit me up with some facts i'll be opened minded enough to listen at the very least if not agree. Eminem is nothing but a MTV made star, a male version of Britney Spears. Real hip-hop fans do not respect a cat like Eminem, like I said Eminems fans I believe are maybe 60 percent white middle to upper class fans half of which are fasing into the "wigger stage" of their life, 30 percent MTV, pop, teeny bopper fans and maybe 10 percent real hip hop fans. I think Eminem did change the game to an extent, I think he started the POP/rap area. Because I don't consider what Eminem does rap. His voice sounds like a 10 year old girls , all he talks about is raping his mother and dissing people of no physical challenge, etc. All his albums consist of is ill fucking kill you, I dont give a fuck, a diss here and there, its gets tiring over and over, okay what can we expect from the next eminem album, okay we know you dont give a fuck about anything, maybe he'll diss another white pussy mtv pop star, talk about Hallie blah blah. And now you have d-12 a bunch of black fools trying to be like a silly whiteboy, what a joke, and you have the nerve to diss me because I like BADBOY, lol. Dont hate on BADBOY or Puff seriously is that your only defense when I call out eminem for the fake he is? or are you going to just call me names? you said your a working class whiteboy? you sound like nothing but a whinning bitch to me, no offense. ARE YOU GUNNA KILL ME LIKE SLIM SHADYTELL YOU TO ON HIS ALBUM CAUSE HEEE DONTTT GIVVEEE A FUCCCKK , LOLOLOLOLOL
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Aight, well I like D12, but i agree some of there beats should be more fuckin Rap like. I dunno what that one guy was sayin but there is phat lyrics and phat beats. I didnt buy this album cuz of Eminem, sure i like him, but hes not the reason i bought it. i dunno i dont got anything really to sayso
Peace
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Aight, well I like D12, but i agree some of there beats should be more fuckin Rap like. I dunno what that one guy was sayin but there is phat lyrics and phat beats. I didnt buy this album cuz of Eminem, sure i like him, but hes not the reason i bought it. i dunno i dont got anything really to sayso
Peace
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Ai, yo BadBoy, you r making your shit sound like a racial issue which it shouldn't b. It should B strictly about the music. Peeps like u make the whole race issue seem likes it's never gonna drop.
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dude badboy 4 life your really hypocritical
you saying eminem is all over MTV and shit and is a MTV made star, your a TOTAL HYPOCRIT
i'm sorry but 97-01 puffy has been on mtv more than any black man in MTV's 20 year history besides Michael jackson
i'm sorry but wasn't puffy on TRL 2 times this week??
shit then you got Dream they're Pop as it gets and doesn't puffy produce them...god your so hypocritical, if you don't like eminem fine but don't make bullshit statements
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This is fucked Eminem hs brought a new angle to the rap game but still ya'll think it POP. Ya'll need yer head sortin.
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Thats me in the pic dogg.I was playin with my new digital camera i ganked.
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eminem is good
rap is good
he is not pop
now lock the mothafucka
peace
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eyah...lock this muthafucka....
...but eminem is wack
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Me make this a racist issue? Do your homework and read a little bit and you'll find out that's totally wrong.Look at the start of this thread, I stated an opinion on d-12 NOTHING NOTHING to do with race. N-imy started the ENTIRE issue about race, he said us people I guess meaning blacks dislike EMINEM because he's white. I brought nothing up with race, I said I disliked Eminem and D-12 and I gave reasons OTHER then race. It's kind of weird though, a hip hop board hating on a black dude, but hey whatcha going to do> :)
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My turn.....
I've read through this thread. I've seen a lot of good points and I've seen a lot of not so good points made. I'm not naming names. Except one. BadBoy4life, what are you trying to say? Real Hip-Hop fans don't feel Em and his biggest fan-base are going through a "wigger stage"? That's a very ignorant generalization. I live in the hood and I bump Em daily. So does everyone else. Em's music is respected everywhere. The same people that bump Dre, 2Pac, MObb Deep, or Jay-Z bump Em. I also don't think he's anywhere near pop. Listen to his song "Marshall MAthers" and you'll hear all he has to say about that pop crap people pigeon-hole him into. I'm not going to hate on Bad Boy. Puff's first album was a good party album. Made for the clubs. BUt, the shiny suit shit was pop and corny as hell. I mean it did wonders for the LOx's career's didn't it? ;D At least he's trying to move away from that shit after that piece of crap second album of his tanked and people were sick of him. Em is who he is. The SSEP was an undergound album. I don't see that much difference in his style from that. The D12 album is dope as hell. On the Source style mic rating, I give it 4 mics. I guess that makes me a pop fan from the suburbs. :P
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LOL , i'm sorry teck i ain't tryin to diss but you look EXACTLY like vanilla ice when he went through his whole gangsta fad
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Aight I'll tell sumthing again..look, this is definetly no race-thing....he had been accepted ages ago. ok.
By the way, Eminem has reached so many ppl, and like evryone has his Album...
And the media makes all the hype around him "Marshall mathers LP is so Shocking"
Yeah right, it might be shockin but hell there have been more shockin Albumz, but the media just picks this one, coz ths one is purchased by almost everyone, especcially POP-LISTENERS, that have a collection of >> Britney Spears, Christina, Nsync and then bought Eminem becoz That would be cool.
And if you ask them, why is eminem so good
THEY WILL ANSWER: Because he is white and he made it in the rap world
And I get pissed off, they don't know what it is about, he might be white, but there have been more white ppl, it HASN'T got ANYTHING to do with racism and shit... >:(
Or they answer "oh he speeks his mind"
what about 2Pac, Ice-Cube, NWA for fuck sake, they spoke theyre mind, and it was real shit!
But if you ask these ppl 'Who is Dre" they answer, "oh He made Eminem"
I don't actually know where I'm heading with my post...but ehm someone finish it ;D